Nazi occupation of Minsk

[Hochmeister]

http://img.tyt.by/n/fotofact/03/d/okkupaciya_minska_01.jpg

http://img.news.open.by/news/2011/06/Ruiny-v-upor-055.jpg
^ Soviet POVs, almost all died in captivity.

http://ljplus.ru/img4/r/u/ruiny_v_upor/Ruiny-v-upor-330.jpg

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http://ljplus.ru/img4/r/u/ruiny_v_upor/Ruiny-v-upor-293.jpg
^ the scum (on the right) is smiling.

http://img.news.open.by/news/2011/06/Ruiny-v-upor-089.jpg

http://img.news.open.by/news/2011/06/Ruiny-v-upor-011.jpg

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[Hochmeister]

http://ljplus.ru/img4/r/u/ruiny_v_upor/Ruiny-v-upor-332.jpg

The 16 y.o. boy and 17 y.o. girl were executed because they were hiding wounded Soviet soldiers...

[Anglojew]

Scumbags

[RussiaPrussia]

germany should pay russia and belarus money and give free submarines for their crimes

[TheGoldenSon]

Germoney where is our submarines?!?!

[Immortal Technique]

Fuck them

[Hochmeister]

http://ljplus.ru/img4/r/u/ruiny_v_upor/Ruiny-v-upor-332.jpg

They say (http://forumrostov.ru/topic/38965-istorii-pobedi/page__st__15#entry694803) that the execution had been done by Lithuanian police volonteers. That is mayor Antonas Impuliavicius, he supposedly lived in Philadelphia after the war? ("...Maj. Antanas Impulyavichyus (Antonas Impuliavicius). Was living in Philadelphia". (http://paolosilv.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/january-2011/)).

[Immortal Technique]

germany should pay russia and belarus money and give free submarines for their crimes

they should pay entire europe or countires they damage then

[Hochmeister]

and give free submarines for their crimes

Submarines ? Why?

[Fortis in Arduis]

The Jewish population of Minsk constituted almost 50%. This is not a pleasant story, and so much of Minsk had already been destroyed during WWI.

[mikhail]

germany should pay russia and belarus money and give free submarines for their crimes

You do realize that Belarus is landlocked, right? Also, given the fact that East Germany was occupied from 1945-1989, I would say that that was enough reparations.

[LightHouse89]

I think most of the people killed were Jews or communists.

[LightHouse89]

germany should pay russia and belarus money and give free submarines for their crimes

:rolleyes: Most of the people in these pictures are commies or jews. Why submarines? how about no reparations?

[Leto]

I think most of the people killed were Jews or communists.
No. Approximately 25% of Belarus' population perished in WWII. Germans burned down the entire village of my grandfather, he was in the army near Moscow, so he survived.

[Leto]

:rolleyes: Most of the people in these pictures are commies or jews. Why submarines? how about no reparations?
You're delusional, Jim. Your America didn't suffer half of what we did. 27,000,000 Soviet citizens died (soldiers and civilians combined). About 80% of them were Slavs.

[LightHouse89]

You're delusional, Jim. Your America didn't suffer half of what we did. 27,000,000 Soviet citizens died (soldiers and civilians combined). About 80% of them were Slavs.

How is that possible? Many of the Slavs sided with the Nazis when they took over........:picard1: maybe we have different history books? I do know that many Jews were purged from those areas. The entire Jewish population of France [well most] and Germany were wiped out.

[LightHouse89]

No. Approximately 25% of Belarus' population perished in WWII. Germans burned down the entire village of my grandfather, he was in the army near Moscow, so he survived.

:picard1: I am sorry. We may have had Japan invaded us....they use to do experiments on our captured soldiers....alive mind you and most of them escaped war crimes.

[Rugevit]

The Jewish population of Minsk constituted almost 50%. This is not a pleasant story, and so much of Minsk had already been destroyed during WWI.

37% in 1941.

[Empecinado]

No wonder why Belarus has almost no ancient architecture, all was destroyed during the two world wars.

[Borna]

Not a single cent should be paid to anyone.

[Leto]

How is that possible? Many of the Slavs sided with the Nazis when they took over........:picard1: maybe we have different history books? I do know that many Jews were purged from those areas. The entire Jewish population of France [well most] and Germany were wiped out.
Yes, we do. You were taught that the glorious US army had won the war.

[Leto]

:picard1: I am sorry. We may have had Japan invaded us....they use to do experiments on our captured soldiers....alive mind you and most of them escaped war crimes.
The vast majority of those victims were Asians, mainly Chinese. The Japanese were unbelievably cruel.

[LightHouse89]

Yes, we do. You were taught that the glorious US army had won the war.

:cool::thumb001: yes! :p the brits and frogs wanted us to fight both world wars for them.

[LightHouse89]

The vast majority of those victims were Asians, mainly Chinese. The Japanese were unbelievably cruel.

I like the japanese but not the attack on pearl harbor.......and on alaska.

[Leto]

:cool::thumb001: yes! :p the brits and frogs wanted us to fight both world wars for them.
I hate to burst your bubble, but neither Americans, nor Brits would have lasted a week in Stalingrad or in Kursk. That was bascially close to an apocalypse.

[Leto]

I like the japanese but not the attack on pearl harbor.......and on alaska.
You dropped two atomic bombs on them. That was unnecessary violence. The consequences are still there even today.

[Rugevit]

I think most of the people killed were Jews or communists.

Western Belarus re-united with eastern Belarus in 1939. Many people were targeted and deported by NKVD from western Belarus. Anti-soviet sentiments were high in the beginning of the war. In other words, there were few if any communists in that part of the country.

Belarus was on a direct path from Germany to Moscow. A partisan movement was operating behind the front line. The front-line was in Russia. So villagers were targeted for supporting partisan movements despite those partisans weren't local on many occasions. There were Jewish ghettos. There were people escaping the country. And of course war casualties.

[Borna]

LoL Russians lost 20 million of people during that war, claiming US won war while most decisive battles with highest proximities of casualties were fought on East.

I will quote Otto Carius -

" Americans are worst soldiers i have ever seen. If situation on East wasn't so desperate , they would be thrown back to sea"

[Rugevit]

No wonder why Belarus has almost no ancient architecture, all was destroyed during the two world wars.

After Napoleonic war, WWI, WWII and commies exploding churches few have left. There are ruins and pictures with plans. The government doesn't have money to reconstruct them.

[Leto]

claiming US won war while most decisive battles with highest proximities of casualties were fought on East.

We don't. They won almost nothing. America is capable only of bombing Arabs or terrorists.

[Hochmeister]

most of them escaped war crimes.

Because the Nürnberg trial was initiated by Stalin. On the other hand Roosvelt and Churchil just wanted to finish Nazi leaders without a fuss, but Stalin shaped a legal trial, which actually made a more or less objective job. He was a smat man.
US government didn't care about justice so it didn't happen in Japane.


I think most of the people killed were Jews or communists.

Are you being serious, man? 17 y.o. girl "was a Communist"? Probably million of Soviet POVs which died (with hanger etc) in captivity were all "Comminists"? :picard2:

[LightHouse89]

I hate to burst your bubble, but neither Americans, nor Brits would have lasted a week in Stalingrad or in Kursk. That was bascially close to an apocalypse.

:rolleyes: more americans died in this one battle than most.....Slavs, Brits nor frogs could have done this...and had it not been done the Germans would have won ww2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es3SzvwrC6A

My grandfather's brother survived that battle and the Battle of the Bugle. :thumb001: The pacific was even worse than western europe.....the shit my aunts father had to go through was far more intense than anything the germans or slavs ever faced. The japs fought literally to the death......

My aunts father fought in this battle and lived......he never ever spoke about what he saw until his grandson became a marine.....he still has the sword and a gooks officer's helmet from that war. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygXyaFv9ub0

[Empecinado]

After Napoleonic war, WWI, WWII and commies exploding churches few have left. There are ruins and pictures with plans. The government doesn't have money to reconstruct them.

Being a crossing site to Moscow and suffering Commies that's pretty sure no old architecture can survive.

[Leto]

Because the Nürnberg trial was initiated by Stalin. On the other hand Roosvelt and Churchil just wanted to finish Nazi leaders without a fuss, but Stalin shaped a legal trial, which actually made a more or less objective job. He was a smat man.
US government didn't care about justice so it didn't happen in Japane.

There was the Tokyo trial as well. But yeah, Americans even cooperated with many former Nazis during the Cold War. It's a fact.

[Rugevit]

Not a single cent should be paid to anyone.

Nobody has ever asked you to pay a cent to Belarus. Although cultural treasures stolen from Belarusian museums must be returned one day.

[Leto]

:rolleyes: more americans died in this one battle than most.....Slavs, Brits nor frogs could have done this...and had it not been done the Germans would have won ww2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es3SzvwrC6A
Bullshit. It's literally nothing compared to those greatest battles in human history.

[Rugevit]

Being a crossing site to Moscow and suffering Commies that's pretty sure no old architecture can survive.

There's a possibility to reconstruct old architecture in future. Few buildings have been rebuilt. Mir Complex castle (UNESCO's world heritage site) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Castle_Complex)has survived.

[Borna]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clrRPiSqUaQ

[Cleitus]

The Soviet union commited the biggest Genocides after Mao zendongs china, dirty hypocrites you are crawling rats in my eyes.

[LightHouse89]

You dropped two atomic bombs on them. That was unnecessary violence. The consequences are still there even today.

So. They bombed us first and refused to surrender.....so we dropped two atomic bombs on them.

[Hochmeister]

The Soviet union commited the biggest Genocides after Mao zendongs china, dirty hypocrites you are crawling rats in my eyes.


Nobody gives a flying shit about your Albanian opinion.

Btw, the Albanian Division SS Skanderbeg ceased to exist because of a mass desertion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg _(1st_Albanian)). Lol

[LightHouse89]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clrRPiSqUaQ

that movie is made by Jews........anything after the 1970s in terms of american movies about war is terrible....I like the beginning scene of saving private ryan thats it LOL.....but the show the pacific and band of brothers was good and more realistic.

[Leto]

So. They bombed us first and refused to surrender.....so we dropped two atomic bombs on them.
There is no justifying that. The war was almost over. It was unnecessary violence toward civilians.

[Leto]

Nobody gives a flying shit about your Albanian opinion.

Btw, the Albanian Division SS Skanderbeg ceased to exist because of a mass desertion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg _(1st_Albanian)). Lol
They had their own commie dictator who repressed a lot of people, but still they hate the Soviets (who are heavily criticized here by many, if not most, people).

[LightHouse89]

Bullshit. It's literally nothing compared to those greatest battles in human history.

:rolleyes: Slavs, Frogs and Brits 'you americans never win anything....you always come in at the last minute to do anything blah blah'.....next tiem we wont help in any situation. Why should we? We would have had less causalities in that war had we only attacked japan.....communist china would have never been around either. Instead of them owning us today we would own them :cool:..............greatest battles in history? true it was nothing more than a foot note in world history but it did prove to be a pivotal moment in ww2 history thats for sure. I mean the defenses of normandy did warrant the best german general in the germany army at the time.....and he was concerned......what does that tell you?

Yes American military are stupid rednecks :rolleyes: as are the canadians.........:rolleyes: yet our navy suffered huge loses and defeat both axis powers at sea.....meanwhile 'Russian and British ships sink off their own coast lines' LOL hahahahahah. 'Oh America we neeed help'......give us this or that..no wait come here and fight for us......:rolleyes:

[LightHouse89]

There is no justifying that. The war was almost over. It was unnecessary violence toward civilians.

:rolleyes: in war there are no civilians.

[RussiaPrussia]

The Soviet union commited the biggest Genocides after Mao zendongs china, dirty hypocrites you are crawling rats in my eyes.

you love anal sex

[LightHouse89]

We don't. They won almost nothing. America is capable only of bombing Arabs or terrorists.

somebodies got to do it.....it sure aint slavs who lost in Afghanistan the first time................:rolleyes::p

[LightHouse89]

There was the Tokyo trial as well. But yeah, Americans even cooperated with many former Nazis during the Cold War. It's a fact.

:cool::thumb001: :p well how else could we build space rockets? letting over the jews was a mistake.......

[Rugevit]

Ruzhany Palace built in 1602. It was burnt during WWI and destroyed in WWII. Palace belong to Sapega magnate family. The treasury and armoury of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania held in this palace. This is what's left of the palace. There are plans to rebuild it.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Ruzhany_zamok_panorama.jpg/1920px-Ruzhany_zamok_panorama.jpg

[XUTERO]

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Hey wait! I recognize those images! These are the ones they used to brainwash me and other students at school.
Long time no see zio-propaganda.
:laugh:

No seriously, you should never present archive images that are extracted from their context. Otherwise it's just propaganda.
I'm not saying the Germans where 100% innocent, after all it was war, but they where clearly better than the Soviets and the Americans.


they should pay entire europe or countires they damage then

Yes then the USA should repay every thing they bombed. :laugh:
:blink: Eh, wait! ... Why did we pay for what they destroyed???
Hahaha, looks like they screwed us Europeans a lot isn't it? What do I hate the Uncle Mickey Mouse.

[Grenzland]

The text on one of the signs:

"We are partisans and shoot German soldiers"

[XUTERO]

You're delusional, Jim. Your America didn't suffer half of what we did. 27,000,000 Soviet citizens died (soldiers and civilians combined). About 80% of them were Slavs.

Stalin contributed massively to those deaths. No setback permitted or else you get shot by the MKVD. Both Germans and Soviets are to blame in this conflict.
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/portfolio/part-7-stalin/

[LightHouse89]

The text on one of the signs:

"We are partisans and shoot German soldiers"

wir sind deutschen soldaten!

[Loki]

The only Nazi Germany unit that was respectable was Rommel's Afrika Korps. He refused to perpetrate war crimes on command from the top.

I agree, Germany owes Belarus and Russia big time.

[Grenzland]

I agree, Germany owes Belarus and Russia big time.

And I tell you exactly what I tell everybody. WWII is not a German fault, WW1 is not a German fault. We owe you nothing, including Israel or any Jew.

[LightHouse89]

The only Nazi Germany unit that was respectable was Rommel's Afrika Korps. He refused to perpetrate war crimes on command from the top.

I agree, Germany owes Belarus and Russia big time.

:rolleyes: as if the red terror does not owe Poland?

[Longbowman]

:picard1: I am sorry. We may have had Japan invaded us....they use to do experiments on our captured soldiers....alive mind you and most of them escaped war crimes.

They 'escaped' because you bloody let them off in exchange for the information! Besides only a handful of Western prisoners were used in those experiments, it was mainly Chinese. Japan only invaded a couple of the westernmost Aleutian Islands. Do not compare the tribulations of the United States to those of any European country except the neutral ones during this period, it makes you look downright stupid.

[Blackfyre]

I agree, Germany owes Belarus and Russia big time.

And why? Germany payed enough for it's failed WW2, it was subjected to the allies, crippled, Germans outside Germany were persecuted back to Germany, it lost Prussia and other pre-WW2 territories, had to suffer the Eastern part of it being placed under a horrible regime which built a wall to separate it's people.
Germany does not owe anyone anything anymore, aside from regret what it did to the civilan population of many nations, but in a material way, it owes nothing.

[Borna]

Who is going to pay for systematical rape of German females in Berlin during 1945 ?
Who is going to pay for total destruction of German cities and hundred thousands of kids,females and elders died in vile Yankee/Brit bombings?

Who is going to pay for Brittish and American bombing of Croatian cities at the end of the war ? Who is going to pay for 40 years of Communist regimes installed by Russians in various European countries which set them off decades behind everyone else?

[Longbowman]

Who is going to pay for systematical rape of German females in Berlin during 1945 ?
Who is going to pay for total destruction of German cities and hundred thousands of kids,females and elders died in vile Yankee/Brit bombings?

Who is going to pay for Brittish and American bombing of Croatian cities at the end of the war ? Who is going to pay for 40 years of Communist regimes installed by Russians in various European countries which set them off decades behind everyone else?

Germany bombed us before we bombed them, but it also bombed Poland, France, Belgium etc. before they even bombed us, so not much of a leg to stand on there old boy.

Anyhow, Croatia's destruction was well-deserved, especially considering the exploits of the Ustase. Besides, most of Yugoslavia was liberated by Tito before America got there.

[Loki]

WWII is not a German fault,

Atrocities and war crimes are.

[Grenzland]

History is written by the victors. It is like that, I know.

That's the reason why the whole story from 1920 until now has to be written new and right this time. Useless accusations from people who complain about something happened 70 years ago is a waste of time.

[LightHouse89]

They 'escaped' because you bloody let them off in exchange for the information! Besides only a handful of Western prisoners were used in those experiments, it was mainly Chinese. Japan only invaded a couple of the westernmost Aleutian Islands. Do not compare the tribulations of the United States to those of any European country except the neutral ones during this period, it makes you look downright stupid.

Well why is it that we were drawn into both world wars? World war two is only popular here because the government uses it as propaganda for fueling the feelings of war here. WW1 wasnt popular. Infact most wars this country has been in were not popular. Except for awhile the recent terror attack here, and maybe the civil war.

You are right I know the damage in europe was very large scale especially in Belgium and the Netherlands....and yes in eastern europe.....Poland and Belarus was pretty bad.

[LightHouse89]

Atrocities and war crimes are.

everybody committed 'war crimes' though. especially the russians despite them pointing the finger at everyone else.

[Longbowman]

The only Nazi Germany unit that was respectable was Rommel's Afrika Korps. He refused to perpetrate war crimes on command from the top.

I agree, Germany owes Belarus and Russia big time.

We still crushed him. Although yes, he wasn't a dick.

[Borna]

Anyhow, Croatia's destruction was well-deserved, especially considering the exploits of the Ustase. Besides, most of Yugoslavia was liberated by Tito before America got there.

So is every V-2 which fell on London, and every Brit who died, for everything your country has done against Europeans, stirring all the wars, systematical theft of Greek national and historical treasures and mingling with enemies of European people since such abomination of country was formed.

[Blackfyre]

Atrocities and war crimes are.

So Soviet war crimes are also Germany's fault?

[Longbowman]

Well why is it that we were drawn into both world wars? World war two is only popular here because the government uses it as propaganda for fueling the feelings of war here. WW1 wasnt popular. Infact most wars this country has been in were not popular. Except for awhile the recent terror attack here, and maybe the civil war.

You are right I know the damage in europe was very large scale especially in Belgium and the Netherlands....and yes in eastern europe.....Poland and Belarus was pretty bad.

Why?

Because America loves blood.

[Grenzland]

Atrocities and war crimes are.

They are called war crimes because they occur in any war. :rolleyes:

Every side did it. What are you going to do? Is the bombing of Dresden more expensive than executing partisans? But if you have fun calculating every dead person and destroyed building from every nation. Go ahead.

[LightHouse89]

And why? Germany payed enough for it's failed WW2, it was subjected to the allies, crippled, Germans outside Germany were persecuted back to Germany, it lost Prussia and other pre-WW2 territories, had to suffer the Eastern part of it being placed under a horrible regime which built a wall to separate it's people.
Germany does not owe anyone anything anymore, aside from regret what it did to the civilan population of many nations, but in a material way, it owes nothing.

yes this is the way I see it. Its like cry baby kikes in America who still want Germany to pay for everything including them to go to school....same with the Niggers here.

[Longbowman]

So is every V-2 which fell on London, and every Brit who died, for everything your country has done against Europeans, stirring all the wars, systematical theft of Greek national and historical treasures and mingling with enemies of European people since such abomination of country was formed.

Yes, stealing some art in return for helping them achieve independence is the same thing as slaughtering half a million Serb civilians, thank you Ringelnatter, another noble post from our resident royalty.

[Leto]

Who is going to pay for systematical rape of German females in Berlin during 1945 ?

The number of rapes was highly exaggerated by some Western historians during the Cold War. They just wanted to defile the Soviet victory they had barely taken part in.

[Borna]

Yes, stealing some art in return for helping them achieve independence is the same thing as slaughtering half a million Serb civilians, thank you Ringelnatter, another noble post from our resident royalty.

They would be soon independent with or without your help. You did not help, Serbs,Bulgarians or Macedonians yet they still got their independence.
One million ? Its like 23 millions to be precise :lol00002:

It is always noble thing to fight your enemies, with all means necessary.

[Longbowman]

The number of rapes was highly exaggerated by some Western historians during the Cold War. They just wanted to defile the Soviet victory they had barely taken part in.

That is a bit unfair. You joined the war (because you were tricked) in 1941. Some of us had been fighting for over two years, on four continents, by that point. If it had just been you versus Germany you'd probably have lost.

[Leto]

especially the russians despite them pointing the finger at everyone else.
Screw you. Your country's government is evil number one.

[Longbowman]

They would be soon independent with or without your help. You did not help, Serbs,Bulgarians or Macedonians yet they still got their independence.
One million ? Its like 23 millions to be precise :lol00002:

Well done for killing 23 million Serbs then?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Tell us another side of the story where millions of German women were systematically raped by Russians also 16 millions Jews which were disappeared by Stalin rule which quite frankly goes mostly unnoticed whilst Hitler gets all the blame....Where the reparation from Russians for post-WW2 crimes?

[Leto]

Tell us another side of the story where millions of German women were systematically raped by Russians also 16 millions Jews which were disappeared by Stalin rule which quite frankly goes mostly unnoticed whilst Hitler gets all the blame....Where the reparation from Russians for post-WW2 crimes?
Your "statistics" and conclusions are utterly wrong as usual, Albo.

[Grenzland]

Until the fall of the Soviet Union Russia was also one of the victors of World War 2.

[LightHouse89]

Screw you. Your country's government is evil number one.

Good next time you cry babies are getting your asses kicked do not call us to help. I wish the Germans won world war 2 so we wouldnt be living under the bullshit we live under today anyway. :cool:

[Borna]

Well done for killing 23 million Serbs then?

It is forbidden to be this stupid, i swear to God :picard1:

[Longbowman]

It is forbidden to be this stupid, i swear to God :picard1:

Unsurprisingly, I was being sarcastic.

The Croats killed hundreds of thousand of Serbs, I know that doesn't fit into your historical narrative, as you're still mentally a child who divides the world into righteous and both evil and inferior, and of course your side must be on the side of God.

[StormBringer]

This thread so far :picard2:
Not gonna even bother arguing with the little Ustasha cunt. xD

Anyway, why don't you all just chill and watch Come and See.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Your "statistics" and conclusions are utterly wrong as usual, Albo.

How'd explain Russian crimes inside German territory, a picnic that should've gone unpunished?


The majority of the assaults were committed in the Soviet occupation zone; estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers ranged up to 2 million.[1][6][7][8][9] In many cases women were the victims of repeated rapes, some as many as 60 to 70 times.[10] At least 100,000 women are believed to have been raped in Berlin, based on surging abortion rates in the following months and contemporary hospital reports,[7] with an estimated 10,000 women dying in the aftermath.[11] Female deaths in connection with the rapes in Germany, overall, are estimated at 240,000.[3][12] Antony Beevor describes it as the "greatest phenomenon of mass rape in history", and has concluded that at least 1.4 million women were raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone.[13]

Also Stalin was crazier anti-semitic bastard whilst killed own people on daily basis.

[Borna]

Unsurprisingly, I was being sarcastic.

The Croats killed hundreds of thousand of Serbs, I know that doesn't fit into your historical narrative, as you're still mentally a child who divides the world into righteous and both evil and inferior, and of course your side must be on the side of God.

So we are jumping from Million to hundreds of thousands ? Just perfect depiction of how one myth was built, similar to Holohoax. No genocide was committed on soil of Independent State of Croatia during ww2.

[Leto]

How'd explain Russian crimes inside German territory, a picnic that should've gone unpunished?
That number is very exaggerated by Western historians. But yeah, you may not believe and think Russian soldiers were all savages and animals.

Also Stalin was crazier anti-semitic bastard whilst killed own people on daily basis.
The Jews he repressed were mostly hardcore Bolsheviks, they basically deserved that. Those men were hideous themselves.
Stalin was a bloody dictator, there is no denying. And don't forget he was 100% Georgian, not an ethnic Russian.

[Rugevit]

History is written by the victors. It is like that, I know.

That's the reason why the whole story from 1920 until now has to be written new and right this time. Useless accusations from people who complain about something happened 70 years ago is a waste of time.

There are veterans and people still around who lived through that war.

Majority of the Belarusians were living in villages and small towns at the timet being subjected to collectivisation in the eastern part of the country.Belarusians didn't invade Germany destroying the country killing people. Jewish didn't deserve the concentrations camps. The young generation doesn't complain, but they aware of war crimes and atrocities caused by scum.

[Longbowman]

So we are jumping from Million to hundreds of thousands ? Just perfect depiction of how one myth was built, similar to Holohoax. No genocide was committed on soil of Independent State of Croatia during ww2.

I never said millions.

Of course it didn't happen in Croatia, it happened where Serbs lived, in the same way all the death camps were in Poland, not Germany.

Do you understand that the majority of members of this forum think you're a pretentious imbecile with delusions of grandeur and misguided beliefs about 'royalty,' clinging to the idea that you are in some way superior to people who are in every way better than you, both in terms of intellectual capacity and just general humanity?

Of course, you don't believe in humanity; you draw a line above Sarajevo and consider everyone below it inferior to you, and most of those above it too, just on the grounds of their ancestry; you seem to genuinely believe this bullshit, too. There's another line on your line-graph of idiotic hatred that separates those not Roman Catholics, but I won't go into that now.

But I don't believe in good and bad; only the human condition, which leads me to believe you have little going on in your life. Little to be proud of. A while ago in the member's thread you posted a picture of your nephew in a toy car. You said you'd won something gambling and for once, hadn't spent it. What can we draw from this?

Let's paint a picture then, of a man without talent, or perhaps even qualifications; a gambling addict who fritters away anything he does win. Certainly if you have a job apart from that, I doubt it brings you much satisfaction. I doubt it makes you feel good about yourself. I doubt you wake up in the morning eager to get to it. Perhaps you have some family money, but money won't bring you happiness, and of course you're just smart enough to know that. So to make you feel in some way special, you bully people who aren't you; who aren't Croats or Germans, or Catholics, or 'noble,' which eventually covers pretty much anyone you choose to. I mean, you're online at 3pm, so you're either a student or jobless.

But why don't you do everyone a favour, and shut up, forever? No one listens to you. They hear your words, they might even be hurt by them, but they don't share your warped worldview, no one does. Log off, and go and accomplish something of actually value, instead of sitting at your imaginary throne, believing idiotic lies and proclaiming yourself to be some kind of living God as you slowly waste your father's money at the casino.

[Leto]

This thread so far :picard2:
You are so damn right.

[Äijä]

Soviet Partisan attacks against Finnish civilians, babies killed and children raped.

http://nocandoo.servebeer.com/temp/suomisodassa/pics/5080.jpg

http://nocandoo.servebeer.com/temp/suomisodassa/pics/5078.jpg

http://static.iltalehti.fi/kuvagalleria/img_thumb/yleinen/5082.jpg

http://static.iltalehti.fi/kuvagalleria/img/yleinen/5081.jpg

http://www.novomedia.fi/venajan_aika/lehdet09/artikkelit1_09/sota.jpg

http://data2.blog.de/media/552/996552_5733bd30da_l.jpg

http://data2.blog.de/media/584/996584_88af53d358_l.jpg

http://data2.blog.de/media/579/996579_bc99e9f46c_l.jpg

http://data2.blog.de/media/102/997102_74f1d07f2d_o.jpg

http://d32opxe1wdndeq.cloudfront.net/15/71/i90140949._szw565h2600_.jpg

http://dbz8f51olbyc8.cloudfront.net/f2/6f/i90140658._szw565h2600_.jpg

[Hochmeister]

Tell us another side of the story where millions of German women were systematically raped by Russians also 16 millions Jews which were disappeared by Stalin rule which quite frankly goes mostly unnoticed whilst Hitler gets all the blame....Where the reparation from Russians for post-WW2 crimes?

Instead of low-brow prpaganda from 1990's, you'd better read authentic works of eyewitnesses. For exaple an Australian journalist Osmar White (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmar_White) (neutral side) says:

"...After the fighting moved on to German soil, there was a good deal of rape by combat troops and those immediately following them. The incidence varied between unit and unit according to the attitude of the commanding officer. In some cases offenders were identified, tried by court martial, and punished. The army legal branch was reticent, but admitted that for brutal or perverted sexual offences against German women, some soldiers had been shot – particularly if they happened to be Negroes. Yet I know for a fact that many women were raped by white Americans. No action was taken against the culprits. In one sector a report went round that a certain very distinguished army commander made the wisecrack, 'Copulation without conversation does not constitute fraternisation.'
…
The discipline of the Red Army is good. There is no more looting, rape or bullying than in any zone of occupation. Wild stories of brutality arise from magnification and distortion of individual instances, given verisimilitude by the Czechs' nervousness of the Russian soldiers' exuberant manners and their liking for vodka.'
One woman who told me the most hair-raising tales of Russian brutality in Prague was forced in the end to admit that the only evidence she had seen with her own eyes was drunken Russian officers firing pistols into the air or shooting at bottles.” (Conquerors' Road: An Eyewitness Account of Germany 1945

^ He "was … attached to General George Patton's Third Army, and followed it into Germany during the final days of the war in Europe" (ibid in wikipedia)

Here you are the book: http://books.google.com/books?id=tWy1sBizZqkC&pg=PP1&dq=White+Osmar+Conquerors'+Road:+An+Eyewitness+Rep ort+of+Germany+1945&hl=ru&ei=JGh3TanSJdTg4Aa6t6iyCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=8&sqi=2&ved=0CFEQ6wEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false[/QUOTE]

And this is about rapes by French units in Italy and West Germany:

"...thousands of French Moroccan, Algerian, Tunisian and Senegalese troops, attached to the French Expeditionary Corps, swarmed over the slopes of the hills surrounding Monte Cassino and in the villages of Ciociaria and Esperia, which is in the region of Lazio, raped every woman and girl that came within their sight. Over 2,000 women, ranging in age from 11 years to 86 years suffered at the hands of these gang-raping soldiers as village after village was entered. Menfolk who tried to protect their wives and daughters were murdered without mercy, around 800 of them died. Two sisters aged 15 and 18 were raped by dozens of soldiers each. One died from the abuse, the other was still in a mental hospital in 1997, 53 years after the event. Most of the dwellings in the villages were destroyed and everything of value was stolen. Later in the war, these same troops raped around 500 women in the Black Forrest town of Freudenstadt, on April 17, 1945, after its capture. In Stuttgart, colonial French troops, mostly African, but under the command of General Eisenhower, rounded up around 2,000 women and herded them into the underground subways to be raped. In one week more women were raped in Stuttgart than in the whole of France during the four year German occupation."

(see: members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres_axis.html)

[Stygian]

This thread so far :picard2:
Not gonna even bother arguing with the little Ustasha cunt. xD

Anyway, why don't you all just chill and watch Come and See.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDq9fL--Avw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYIaDYRipoM (English subtitles are available too)

[XUTERO]

I hate to burst your bubble, but neither Americans, nor Brits would have lasted a week in Stalingrad or in Kursk. That was bascially close to an apocalypse.

Yes they would not resist the biggest Panzer battle of history but in reality Russia was defeated very quickly by the Germans. It is with the ultra massive USA financial & resources support
that Russia could hold against the Reich troops. The USA literally financed Bolshevism.
To begin with, if the zionists didn't pushed the USA to enter WWI against their will, with the Balfour treaty, then no WWII would have occurred.


You dropped two atomic bombs on them. That was unnecessary violence. The consequences are still there even today.

Indeed, that is what happens when you mix a German genius brain with the insanity of a zionist cultist; - The atomic bomb.


Because the Nürnberg trial was initiated by Stalin. On the other hand Roosvelt and Churchil just wanted to finish Nazi leaders without a fuss, but Stalin shaped a legal trial, which actually made a more or less objective job. He was a smat man.
US government didn't care about justice so it didn't happen in Japane.

The Nuremberg trial was nothing like a trial at all, it was a slaughtering. That was done so that when they would spread all their smear propaganda about the National Socialists,
there would be no witnesses left to prove the contrary. Never in history, have all governmental and military authorities of a country been executed.
Also blaming Prussia and ensuring that it would disappear forever is an unforgettable crime.

[LightHouse89]

Soviet Partisan attacks against Finnish civilians, babies killed and children raped.

http://nocandoo.servebeer.com/temp/suomisodassa/pics/5080.jpg

http://nocandoo.servebeer.com/temp/suomisodassa/pics/5078.jpg

http://static.iltalehti.fi/kuvagalleria/img_thumb/yleinen/5082.jpg

http://static.iltalehti.fi/kuvagalleria/img/yleinen/5081.jpg

http://www.novomedia.fi/venajan_aika/lehdet09/artikkelit1_09/sota.jpg

http://data2.blog.de/media/552/996552_5733bd30da_l.jpg

http://data2.blog.de/media/584/996584_88af53d358_l.jpg

http://data2.blog.de/media/579/996579_bc99e9f46c_l.jpg

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http://d32opxe1wdndeq.cloudfront.net/15/71/i90140949._szw565h2600_.jpg

http://dbz8f51olbyc8.cloudfront.net/f2/6f/i90140658._szw565h2600_.jpg

Communist justice. Most likely perpetrated by Jews.

[Äijä]

Communist justice. Most likely perpetrated by Jews.

Russians, the names are known, they are considered heroes in Russia today.

[LightHouse89]

I never said millions.

Of course it didn't happen in Croatia, it happened where Serbs lived, in the same way all the death camps were in Poland, not Germany.

Do you understand that the majority of members of this forum think you're a pretentious imbecile with delusions of grandeur and misguided beliefs about 'royalty,' clinging to the idea that you are in some way superior to people who are in every way better than you, both in terms of intellectual capacity and just general humanity?

Of course, you don't believe in humanity; you draw a line above Sarajevo and consider everyone below it inferior to you, and most of those above it too, just on the grounds of their ancestry; you seem to genuinely believe this bullshit, too. There's another line on your line-graph of idiotic hatred that separates those not Roman Catholics, but I won't go into that now.

But I don't believe in good and bad; only the human condition, which leads me to believe you have little going on in your life. Little to be proud of. A while ago in the member's thread you posted a picture of your nephew in a toy car. You said you'd won something gambling and for once, hadn't spent it. What can we draw from this?

Let's paint a picture then, of a man without talent, or perhaps even qualifications; a gambling addict who fritters away anything he does win. Certainly if you have a job apart from that, I doubt it brings you much satisfaction. I doubt it makes you feel good about yourself. I doubt you wake up in the morning eager to get to it. Perhaps you have some family money, but money won't bring you happiness, and of course you're just smart enough to know that. So to make you feel in some way special, you bully people who aren't you; who aren't Croats or Germans, or Catholics, or 'noble,' which eventually covers pretty much anyone you choose to. I mean, you're online at 3pm, so you're either a student or jobless.

But why don't you do everyone a favour, and shut up, forever? No one listens to you. They hear your words, they might even be hurt by them, but they don't share your warped worldview, no one does. Log off, and go and accomplish something of actually value, instead of sitting at your imaginary throne, believing idiotic lies and proclaiming yourself to be some kind of living God as you slowly waste your father's money at the casino.

He is okay but too catholic for me at times. :cool:

[Longbowman]

Russians, the names are known, they are considered heroes in Russia today.

No, you idiot, it's always the Jews. Unless it's good, then it's never the Jews.

[LightHouse89]

Russians, the names are known, they are considered heroes in Russia today.

who were they?

[Loki]

Every side did it.

Rommel and his men never did. That's why he's hailed as a hero of humanity.

[Longbowman]

He is okay but too catholic for me at times. :cool:

He is a complete and utter arse-hat.

[Äijä]

who were they?

Alexander Smirnov and Georgi Kalashnikov are two named leaders that dont hide their identity.

[Leto]

Russians, the names are known, they are considered heroes in Russia today.
Finns were taking part in the siege and blockade of Leningrad. They boiled Soviet soldiers' heads in pots.

[Ultra]

We still crushed him. Although yes, he wasn't a dick.
So hard to crush someone who you outnumber 2:1 and who has weak supply lines and had to rely on useless cowardly Italian wog troops holding their flanks.

[Rugevit]

Back to the topic.


80% of Minsk city was destroyed during WWII. After the war authorities were considering to transfer the capital to Mahilou city in eastern Belarus. Minsk was rebuilt during Soviet era keeping capital status. Now, the city looks a a typical Soviet city having little old architecture left.

Belarus / Minsk timelapse


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjveockTon0

[Longbowman]

So hard to crush someone who you outnumber 2:1 and who has weak supply lines and had to rely on useless cowardly Italian wog troops holding their flanks.

Britain was outnumbered by Germany and Germany's allies right until Germany decided to attack the USSR, by which point we were already beating the so-called uebermenschen back to Berlin, or more accurately continental Europe as Berlin would only fall a few years later.

Rommel's failure to establish good supply lines was his own fault. Most of the battles were fought in Nazi territory: Italian and Vichy France's possessions. He controlled most of the Mediterranean. I can't help that he sucked British dick in regards to winning even a single major battle against an enemy that wasn't armed with spears and ebola.

[Äijä]

Finns were taking part in the siege and blockade of Leningrad. They boiled Soviet soldiers' head in pots.

Not so active in the siege thanks to Mannerheim, might have been a mistake that cost the war.
Where did they boil heads?

[Grenzland]

Rommel and his men never did. That's why he's hailed as a hero of humanity.

No partisans, just one enemy ahead. That's not the same as in Europa.

[Leto]

Not so active in the siege thanks to Mannerheim, might have been a mistake that cost the war.
Where did they boil heads?
Near Leningrad, I suppose. I don't know the details.

[Äijä]

Near Leningrad, I suppose. I don't know the details.

Does anyone? Anyone convicted?

[Hochmeister]

Who is going to pay for 40 years of Communist regimes installed by Russians in various European countries which set them off decades behind everyone else?

The Third Reich declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming partially Russian vassal.
Romania declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Bulgaria declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Hungary declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Slovakia declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Poland attacked Czechoslovakia, the Russian ally, and didn't allow Russians to help Czechs against the Nazis --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Czechia was working on German victory, sending its soldiers against Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.

And all of them were aproved Churchill as well (he wrote the list of countries in Russian spheare of influence on a napkin), when it was being discussed with Stalin.

[Borna]

I never said millions.

You said million. It is easily approachable post, few pages back.




Of course it didn't happen in Croatia, it happened where Serbs lived, in the same way all the death camps were in Poland, not Germany.

Not even sure what should i write on this, just a regular Brit trying to be smartass when it comes to continental issues while actually having no clue what is he speaking about.



Do you understand that the majority of members of this forum think you're a pretentious imbecile with delusions of grandeur and misguided beliefs about 'royalty,' clinging to the idea that you are in some way superior to people who are in every way better than you, both in terms of intellectual capacity and just general humanity?

Okay, so here we are, distorting and dragging discussion in ad hominem, about my personal life. It is usually done by people without arguments, or people who got caught in their lies and propaganda several times so far. General Humanity is a false concept, there is no such discipline or thing like general humanity, it is not a video game where you can say "I am better than you at General Humanity" :lol00002:

You sound like Internet psychologist, you try to be over achiever while you fail everywhere. Do you know how Internet psychologist end?



Of course, you don't believe in humanity; you draw a line above Sarajevo and consider everyone below it inferior to you, and most of those above it too, just on the grounds of their ancestry; you seem to genuinely believe this bullshit, too. There's another line on your line-graph of idiotic hatred that separates those not Roman Catholics, but I won't go into that now.

Wrong, i have several times said opposite things. I am for co-operation on Balkans but never for "brotherhood and unity". It is very logical i consider my country better than anyone else. It wouldn't be MINE country if its actually not. Certain members accusing me of being Catholic Fanatic are deluded idiots (vulgaris) i have stated many times my admiration to Eastern European people, and i consider modern Orthodoxy much closer to the concept of Positives Christentum, than our church led by this clown from Argentina .



But I don't believe in good and bad; only the human condition, which leads me to believe you have little going on in your life. Little to be proud of. A while ago in the member's thread you posted a picture of your nephew in a toy car. You said you'd won something gambling and for once, hadn't spent it. What can we draw from this?

You amaze me. I would never spend time writing this about someone. Fact that you are writing about me and my life, while i don't even have a slightest clue who you actually are, proves the point that only lives of those who are worth are being analyzed,opposing to commoner flock no one is interested in.




Let's paint a picture then, of a man without talent, or perhaps even qualifications; a gambling addict who fritters away anything he does win. Certainly if you have a job apart from that, I doubt it brings you much satisfaction. I doubt it makes you feel good about yourself. I doubt you wake up in the morning eager to get to it. Perhaps you have some family money, but money won't bring you happiness, and of course you're just smart enough to know that. So to make you feel in some way special, you bully people who aren't you; who aren't Croats or Germans, or Catholics, or 'noble,' which eventually covers pretty much anyone you choose to. I mean, you're online at 3pm, so you're either a student or jobless.

My life sounds really intriguing to you, otherwise you wouldn't spend time to write about it. I in fact never bullied anyone , i just responded to posts i didn't like , similar to yours. As for my life, don't trouble for it. I am student who passed all three years before dead line (last year was very hard to me i admit ), im getting married in 2 years. I have high chances of getting job on my university. Not more i can ask for. However i do not see how is this related to anything written on this thread, except your personal frustrations caused by my posts. All this verbal diarrhea you spew out, is more speaking about you than me. As well if you still didn't realize im just having fun here, and that Noble thing is mere joking , your IQ ought to be checked.




But why don't you do everyone a favour, and shut up, forever? No one listens to you. They hear your words, they might even be hurt by them, but they don't share your warped worldview, no one does. Log off, and go and accomplish something of actually value, instead of sitting at your imaginary throne, believing idiotic lies and proclaiming yourself to be some kind of living God as you slowly waste your father's money at the casino.

As long as i dont break any rules, you can't point these primitive posts toward me. I don't really care about people's feelings, i always expect response from them and im prepared for everything. Thanks although for writting this post. It truly amused me.

[LightHouse89]

No, you idiot, it's always the Jews. Unless it's good, then it's never the Jews.

The reason I said it was because many Jews were commissars and in charge of partisans.

[Hochmeister]

They are called war crimes because they occur in any war. :rolleyes:

Every side did it. What are you going to do? Is the bombing of Dresden more expensive than executing partisans? But if you have fun calculating every dead person and destroyed building from every nation. Go ahead.

This thread is called "Nazi occupation", but not "German occupation". Germans =/= Nazis. And the teens were executed by Lithuanian Nazis (they were not partisans).

I've opened it to show cruelty of Nazis against white residents of Europe.

[Borna]

Finns were taking part in the siege and blockade of Leningrad. They boiled Soviet soldiers' head in pots.

This has to be most laughable post about WW2 i have ever seen.

[Grenzland]

This thread is called "Nazi occupation", but not "German occupation". Germans =/= Nazis. And the teens were executed by Lithuanian Nazis (they were not partisans).

I've opened it to show cruelty of Nazis against white residents of Europe.

It was more a general answer to Loki.

[Äijä]

This has to be most laughable post about WW2 i have ever seen.

That is the reality Russians are living in, it does not bother me if someone is not on purpose making things up.

[LightHouse89]

This thread is called "Nazi occupation", but not "German occupation". Germans =/= Nazis. And the teens were executed by Lithuanian Nazis (they were not partisans).

I've opened it to show cruelty of Nazis against white residents of Europe.

Well my ancestors were pretty ruthless to southerners here they use to let Nigger troops loot and pillage cities down south..... if they captured it or they use to burn them to the ground.

The South was more noble than the North this is undeniable.

[Longbowman]

You said million. It is easily approachable post, few pages back.





Not even sure what should i write on this, just a regular Brit trying to be smartass when it comes to continental issues while actually having no clue what is he speaking about.




Okay, so here we are, distorting and dragging discussion in ad hominem, about my personal life. It is usually done by people without arguments, or people who got caught in their lies and propaganda several times so far. General Humanity is a false concept, there is no such discipline or thing like general humanity, it is not a video game where you can say "I am better than you at General Humanity" :lol00002:

You sound like Internet psychologist, you try to be over achiever while you fail everywhere. Do you know how Internet psychologist end?




Wrong, i have several times said opposite things. I am for co-operation on Balkans but never for "brotherhood and unity". It is very logical i consider my country better than anyone else. It wouldn't be MINE country if its actually not. Certain members accusing me of being Catholic Fanatic are deluded idiots (vulgaris) i have stated many times my admiration to Eastern European people, and i consider modern Orthodoxy much closer to the concept of Positives Christentum, than our church led by this clown from Argentina .




You amaze me. I would never spend time writing this about someone. Fact that you are writing about me and my life, while i don't even have a slightest clue who you actually are, proves the point that only lives of those who are worth are being analyzed,opposing to commoner flock no one is interested in.





My life sounds really intriguing to you, otherwise you wouldn't spend time to write about it. I in fact never bullied anyone , i just responded to posts i didn't like , similar to yours. As for my life, don't trouble for it. I am student who passed all three years before dead line (last year was very hard to me i admit ), im getting married in 2 years. I have high chances of getting job on my university. Not more i can ask for. However i do not see how is this related to anything written on this thread, except your personal frustrations caused by my posts. All this verbal diarrhea you spew out, is more speaking about you than me. As well if you still didn't realize im just having fun here, and that Noble thing is mere joking , your IQ ought to be checked.





As long as i dont break any rules, you can't point these primitive posts toward me. I don't really care about people's feelings, i always expect response from them and im prepared for everything. Thanks although for writting this post. It truly amused me.

Summation:
-no, you don't have a job
-no comment on the gambling, only ad hominem, suggesting I'm right about that too
-claiming not to know me to score internet points. +4 to you, you suave chap

Congrats on the marriage (I did know about that, you've posted photos) and the degree (didn't know about that).

As a side note I wasn't thinking of myself when I said you consider yourself better than people who are better than you, actually.

And I said,


half a million

;)

Cheers buddy.

[mikhail]

The Third Reich declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming partially Russian vassal.
Romania declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Bulgaria declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Hungary declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Slovakia declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Poland attacked Czechoslovakia, the Russian ally, and didn't allow Russians to help Czechs against the Nazis --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Czechia was working on German victory, sending its soldiers against Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.

And all of them were aproved Churchill as well (he wrote the list of countries in Russian spheare of influence on a napkin), when it was being discussed with Stalin.

Bulgaria didn't declare war on Russia during ww2, Russia occupied Bulgaria even after Bulgaria had a pro-Allie coup d'état and declared war on Germany. The Bulgarian king said "we cannot declare war on Russia, our government is germanophillic, but our nation is Russophillic", and so Bulgaria never declared war on the ussr even though Germany pressured us heavily to join them on the eastern front. Russia attacked without provocation. After 1954, the new Bulgarian leader pursued a more independent foreign policy, even holding secret talks with west german politician franz Joseph Strauss for Bulgaria's entry into the eu during the 70's-80's. Russia attacked Bulgaria without reason, and Bulgaria broke the chains a lot faster than the other eastern block countries.

[Borna]

That is the reality Russians are living in, it does not bother me if someone is not on purpose making things up.

Don't worry i know it from personal experience. Some nations claim we were gouging kids eyes and that every Croatian house had bowl of Serb kid eyes on their desk.

[Äijä]

Don't worry i know it from personal experience. Some nations claim we were gouging kids eyes and that every Croatian house had bowl of Serb kid eyes on their desk.

Croats did massacre Serbs with a lot of imagination in methods, you claim it did not happen?

[Borna]

Croats did massacre Serbs with a lot of imagination in methods, you claim it did not happen?

No quite opposite, my bowl from ww2 is well preserved and its brought from father to son.

[LightHouse89]

Croats did massacre Serbs with a lot of imagination in methods, you claim it did not happen?

finns committed war crimes against russian soldiers....this is well known.

[Leto]

This has to be most laughable post about WW2 i have ever seen.
Nothing laughable about it. 900,000 died of hunger there. People ate rats, cats and even human flesh. But you may continue to glorify Hitler.

[Borna]

Nothing laughable about it. 900,000 died of hunger there. People ate rats, cats and even human flesh. But you may continue to glorify Hitler.

I never glorified such man. I admire him his non-conformism, he was after all an idiot. He is greatest friend of Jews who's actions got them state.

[Leto]

Does anyone? Anyone convicted?
I don't know. Probably not. It was "simply" antocities against the enemy.

[LightHouse89]

Nothing laughable about it. 900,000 died of hunger there. People ate rats, cats and even human flesh. But you may continue to glorify Hitler.

all this hate for one man and people....come on. it seems unreal. now the jews on the other hand do have a plan here in america and promote it all the time. Maybe we here will do the same thing the nazis did and start that circus over again? we almost have to to save ourselves at this point.

[Äijä]

finns committed war crimes against russian soldiers....this is well known.

Not many, more than Americans or Brits for example to their enemies?

[StormBringer]

Don't worry i know it from personal experience. Some nations claim we were gouging kids eyes and that every Croatian house had bowl of Serb kid eyes on their desk.

Nope, never heard that one, just the one about Pavelić having a jar full of human eyes that he shown to Malaparte.

[Rugevit]

And the teens were executed by Lithuanian Nazis (they were not partisans).

Lithuanians didn't collaborate with Nazi on a large scale. Collaboration also existed among Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians living behind the front-line. There was an attempt to establish Lithuanian SS legion by Nazi. Germans trained some Lithuanians but young men refused to fight hiding in forests. Later, many of these trained people were among "Forest brothers" which is another story. As far as I know many Lithuanians are proud of the fact Lithuania didn't participate on the German side. A brief history: http://www.lituanus.org/1986/86_4_02.htm

[Äijä]

I don't know. Probably not. It was "simply" antocities against the enemy.

I consider this propaganda until some proof is presented

[Leto]

I consider this propaganda until some proof is presented
Finland hated the USSR at that time. Anything was possible from your side.

[Leto]

Lithuanians didn't collaborate with Nazi on a large scale. Collaboration also existed among Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians living behind the front-line. There was an attempt to establish Lithuanian SS legion by Nazi. Germans trained some Lithuanians but young men refused to fight hiding in forests. Later, many of these trained people were among "Forest brothers" which is another story. As far as I know many Lithuanians are proud of the fact Lithuania didn't participate on the German side. A brief history: http://www.lituanus.org/1986/86_4_02.htm
West Ukrainians were probably the most cruel and inhumane ones. They did things that shocked even Germans themselves.

[LightHouse89]

Finland hated the USSR at that time. Anything was possible from your side.

they did not want to be ruled by Judaism.

[LightHouse89]

West Ukrainians were probably the most cruel and inhumane ones. They did things that shocked even Germans themselves.

what did they do?

[Longbowman]

they did not want to be ruled by Judaism.

Yes, Stalin the Jew-lover :rolleyes:

...whose son shot himself when his father refused to let him marry a Jew.

[LightHouse89]

Not many, more than Americans or Brits for example to their enemies?

Americans never commit war crimes. Why? We are true followers of God.

[Leto]

they did not want to be ruled by Judaism.
Judaism wasn't here. Atheism. And stop equating Russians with some "Zionists" or whatever you call them.

[LightHouse89]

Yes, Stalin the Jew-lover :rolleyes:

...whose son shot himself when his father refused to let him marry a Jew.

well the commissars and other insane hardcore commies were most of the time jews.

I did not know Stalin had a son....they do not teach us much about world history or this in depth...its a brief over view 'Hitler was bad....Socialism bad.....thats world war 2 and the cold war' LOL.....

[Leto]

Americans never commit war crimes. Why? We are true followers of God.
G.W. Bush and Obongo are saints among the living.:thumb001:

[LightHouse89]

Judaism wasn't here. Atheism. And stop equating Russians with some "Zionists" or whatever you call them.

Soviets, Zionists the same thing!

[LightHouse89]

G.W. Bush and Obongo are saints among the living.:thumb001:

George Bush is a hero. He protected America and took the fight to the enemy. Glory be to his name :thumb001:

[Leto]

what did they do?
They tortured and burned people alive.

[Leto]

George Bush is a hero. He protected America and took the fight to the enemy. Glory be to his name :thumb001:
Fuck that moron and his "war on terror".

[Leto]

well the commissars and other insane hardcore commies were most of the time jews.

I did not know Stalin had a son....they do not teach us much about world history or this in depth...its a brief over view 'Hitler was bad....Socialism bad.....thats world war 2 and the cold war' LOL.....
Most Jewish generals and hardliners were repressed in 1937-38.

[LightHouse89]

They tortured and burned people alive.

who finns? or germans? the brits did this to german civilians during the bombing of Dresden and Leipzig. America only bombed the enemy during the day and made sure it was military targets...soviets use to invade and rape and pillage and the british would destroy everything in sight.

[Leto]

Soviets, Zionists the same thing!
Bullshit. Do you thing my relatives, workers, peasants and soldiers were Zionists? :picard1:

[LightHouse89]

Fuck that moron and his "war on terror".

what were we suppose to do after we were attacked? just sit there and tolerate it? No...fuck the the enemy we shall invade them where they sleep and bomb it back to the stone age. :cool:

[StormBringer]

Americans never commit war crimes. Why? We are true followers of God.

Or because you just write them down as body count or collateral damage at best. xD

[LightHouse89]

Bullshit. Do you thing my relatives, workers, peasants and soldiers were Zionists? :picard1:

no the government itself is what I meant.

[Leto]

who finns? or germans?
Ukrainian Nazi savages. Their descendants are marching through the Lviv and Kiev streets nowadays.

[Longbowman]

well the commissars and other insane hardcore commies were most of the time jews.

I did not know Stalin had a son....they do not teach us much about world history or this in depth...its a brief over view 'Hitler was bad....Socialism bad.....thats world war 2 and the cold war' LOL.....

Stalin had a lot of kids. One of his daughters defected to the US. He also has grandchildren and great grandchildren.

Most of the time? No. A lot were, but not a majority or even a plurality. I'd be surprised if it were 10%. All you're doing is reciting rubbish you've read off JewWatch or something else that panders to American idiots.

[LightHouse89]

Or because you just write them down as body count or collateral damage at best. xD

:thumb001::cool: thus no war crime ever occurred http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-5YVGnwa7w.

Liberals here and in the EU complained about this and wanted these men to face prison sentences....the Leadership in the Marines told them to go eat a dick LOL XD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDub_zV68hI

[Leto]

what were we suppose to do after we were attacked? just sit there and tolerate it? No...fuck the the enemy we shall invade them where they sleep and bomb it back to the stone age. :cool:
The 9/11 was an inside job. Do you think Bin Laden did that? It's laughable. Your government did it itself and then used as a reason to start that war. And now some illusional freaks worship your marines and soldiers.:picard1:

[LightHouse89]

Ukrainian Nazi savages. Their descendants are marching through the Lviv and Kiev streets nowadays.

I wish to side with the Russian confederates....they even borrowed our flag.

[LightHouse89]

The 9/11 was an inside job. Do you think Bin Laden did that? It's laughable. Your government did it itself and then used as a reason to start that war. And now some illusional freaks worship your marines and soldiers.:picard1:

It probably wasnt and either way someone had to pay the blood price for it and it was Afghanistan. Hey man my family have alot of service people especially three who fought in this recent war. 2 of Which were Marines :cool: Marines are a tradition in the family as is the Navy and Army [to a lesser extent].

[Äijä]

Finland hated the USSR at that time. Anything was possible from your side.

Yet "anything" did not happen, Finnish way would be to just shoot in the head, not boil the head.
And the hatred was mostly towards the fanatical communists and the state, many Russian POWs where crying when they left Finnish farms where they where treated like family.

[LightHouse89]

Stalin had a lot of kids. One of his daughters defected to the US. He also has grandchildren and great grandchildren.

Most of the time? No. A lot were, but not a majority or even a plurality. I'd be surprised if it were 10%. All you're doing is reciting rubbish you've read off JewWatch or something else that panders to American idiots.

Alot of Jews here promote degenerate ideas.

[Ultra]

Britain was outnumbered by Germany and Germany's allies right until Germany decided to attack the USSR, by which point we were already beating the so-called uebermenschen back to Berlin, or more accurately continental Europe as Berlin would only fall a few years later.

Rommel's failure to establish good supply lines was his own fault. Most of the battles were fought in Nazi territory: Italian and Vichy France's possessions. He controlled most of the Mediterranean. I can't help that he sucked British dick in regards to winning even a single major battle against an enemy that wasn't armed with spears and ebola.


The British Empire was at its largest territorial expansion after the First World War – after 1918, until the 1940’s, consisting of over 25% of the world's population and 30% of its area.
World population 1940: 2,300,000,000

Allied powers combined population estimate of 1939:

British Empire's population: 2,300,000,000 x 0.25 = 920,000,000
French Empire's population in 1936: 110,631,000
Poland's population in 1938: 34,849,000

Total population estimate: 920 000 000 + 110 631 000 + 34 849 000 = 1065 480 000 or 46.3% of the total world's population.

vs

Axis powers combined population estimate of 1939:

Nazi-Germany's population in 1939: 69,314,000
Italy's population in 1936: 42,943,602
Empire of Japan's population in 1935: 97,697,555

Total population: 69 314 000 + 42 943 602 + 97 697 555 = 209 955 157 or 9.1% of the total world population.

---
I'll let the numbers speak for themselves(get wrecked). ;)

And you were already beating the Germans back to Berlin in 1941 before she attacked USSR? Is that some kind of joke? :eek:

[LightHouse89]

Yet "anything" did not happen, Finnish way would be to just shoot in the head, not boil the head.
And the hatred was mostly towards the fanatical communists and the state, many Russian POWs where crying when they left Finnish farms where they where treated like family.

I doubt finns were nice to them but I reall do not know much about this region of europe so I shall say no more. Just like you clowns dont know anything about where I live.....[as in all europeans].

[Leto]

It probably wasnt and either way someone had to pay the blood price for it and it was Afghanistan. Hey man my family have alot of service people especially three who fought in this recent war. 2 of Which were Marines :cool: Marines are a tradition in the family as is the Navy and Army [to a lesser extent].
You know what? Some believe it was... the JEWS! Haha. No, it's not my personal opinion, but you can google that and see what's there.:) You'll like it, since you're so obsessed with them.

[LightHouse89]

World population 1940: 2,300,000,000

Allied powers combined population estimate of 1939:

British Empire's population: 2,300,000,000 x 0.25 = 920,000,000
French Empire's population in 1936: 110,631,000
Poland's population in 1938: 34,849,000

Total population estimate: 920 000 000 + 110 631 000 + 34 849 000 = 1065 480 000 or 46.3% of the total world's population.

vs

Axis powers combined population estimate of 1939:

Nazi-Germany's population in 1939: 69,314,000
Italy's population in 1936: 42,943,602
Empire of Japan's population in 1935: 97,697,555

Total population: 69 314 000 + 42 943 602 + 97 697 555 = 209 955 157 or 9.1% of the total world population.

I'll let the numbers speak for themselves(get wrecked). ;)

And you were already beating the Germans back to Berlin in 1941 before she attacked USSR? Is that some kind of joke? :eek:

:thumb001::cool: they really did not need us but they kept hounding us to be involved......just like in ww1.

[LightHouse89]

You know what? Some believe it was... the JEWS! Haha. No, it's not my personal opinion, but you can google that and see what's there.:) You'll like it, since you're so obsessed with them.

It could have been but either way the war in Afghanistan was entirely necessary for our protection.

[Leto]

If I was Stalin, the Danube would run with German blood and the screams of "innocent" German children, no mercy - eye for an eye tooth for a tooth. What's worse is Germany now makes mockery about poverty in eastern nations, when Germany is the main cause for the decaying state they were or are in now.
You're too extreme. Germany is still a very lovely and respectful country. I never blame modern Germans for the crimes of their forefathers. They aren't responsible for them.

[Leto]

It could have been but either way the war in Afghanistan was entirely necessary for our protection.
In the opposite hemisphere? No way. You don't belong in this hemisphere. Stay in yours, yankees. Nobody needs your "democratic" bullshit.

[StormBringer]

The 9/11 was an inside job. Do you think Bin Laden did that? It's laughable. Your government did it itself and then used as a reason to start that war. And now some illusional freaks worship your marines and soldiers.:picard1:

I doubt their government could do something like that and get away with it, for crying out loud, they couldn't keep Monica on the leash.
Furthest I'd go is speculate that they figured that something big was brewing but chose Casus belli instead of acting on it.

[Leto]

I doubt their government could do something like that and get away with it, for crying out loud, they couldn't keep Monica on the leash.
Furthest I'd go is speculate that they figured that something big was brewing but chose Casus belli instead of acting on it.
I've never really delved into the subject, but there are a lot of documentaries and books about that. They are made/written by independent people. You won't hear that point of view on American TV, since it's a very "free" and "democratic" state.

[Äijä]

I doubt finns were nice to them but I reall do not know much about this region of europe so I shall say no more. Just like you clowns dont know anything about where I live.....[as in all europeans].

Many of them died of hunger in -42 when Finns where short of food themselves, Finland had mobilised nearly 20% of the population and the harvest went bad.
Then someone came up with the good idea that the ones that where not fanatical commies could be sent to the farms as labour.
It is a historical fact and well recorded that many of them where treated same as family, as in my family and we are hard core nationalists.

[Äijä]

World population 1940: 2,300,000,000

Allied powers combined population estimate of 1939:

British Empire's population: 2,300,000,000 x 0.25 = 920,000,000
French Empire's population in 1936: 110,631,000
Poland's population in 1938: 34,849,000

Total population estimate: 920 000 000 + 110 631 000 + 34 849 000 = 1065 480 000 or 46.3% of the total world's population.

vs

Axis powers combined population estimate of 1939:

Nazi-Germany's population in 1939: 69,314,000
Italy's population in 1936: 42,943,602
Empire of Japan's population in 1935: 97,697,555

Total population: 69 314 000 + 42 943 602 + 97 697 555 = 209 955 157 or 9.1% of the total world population.

---
I'll let the numbers speak for themselves(get wrecked). ;)

And you were already beating the Germans back to Berlin in 1941 before she attacked USSR? Is that some kind of joke? :eek:

It is true the war was mostly decided in the Eastern Front and US factories.

[XUTERO]

Germany bombed us before we bombed them, but it also bombed Poland, France, Belgium etc. before they even bombed us, so not much of a leg to stand on there old boy.

Anyhow, Croatia's destruction was well-deserved, especially considering the exploits of the Ustase. Besides, most of Yugoslavia was liberated by Tito before America got there.

Germany bombed us before we bombed them;
You should read history books, France and England are the ones who declared war on Germany. Not the other way around. They systematically refused any peace treaty proposed by the Fuhrer.
Their arrogant misplaced pride, as the 2 biggest colonial empires at the time, lost them.


So Soviet war crimes are also Germany's fault?

The Nuremberg articles of judgement rules;
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/imtconst.asp

Article 19.
"The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value."

Article 21.
"The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other Tribunals of any of the United Nations."

So yes it seems our forefathers where automatically incriminated, remember the Katyń massacre? The Soviets denied, saying that it was the National Socialist who committed this, until 1990.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre


The number of rapes was highly exaggerated by some Western historians during the Cold War. They just wanted to defile the Soviet victory they had barely taken part in.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upXJ8ijE-z0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCmoAhMKaco

[Leto]

as in my family and we are hard core nationalists.
Timo Soini approves.:)
http://static.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/soini_etu030911STL_503_uu.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f9/True_Finns_logo.svg/320px-True_Finns_logo.svg.png

[LightHouse89]

In the opposite hemisphere? No way. You don't belong in this hemisphere. Stay in yours, yankees. Nobody needs your "democratic" bullshit.

We have every right to carry out attacks against our enemies no matter where they are. Attack us and expect a violent response. :cool: Praise Jesus!

[Longbowman]

World population 1940: 2,300,000,000

Allied powers combined population estimate of 1939:

British Empire's population: 2,300,000,000 x 0.25 = 920,000,000
French Empire's population in 1936: 110,631,000
Poland's population in 1938: 34,849,000

Total population estimate: 920 000 000 + 110 631 000 + 34 849 000 = 1065 480 000 or 46.3% of the total world's population.

vs

Axis powers combined population estimate of 1939:

Nazi-Germany's population in 1939: 69,314,000
Italy's population in 1936: 42,943,602
Empire of Japan's population in 1935: 97,697,555

Total population: 69 314 000 + 42 943 602 + 97 697 555 = 209 955 157 or 9.1% of the total world population.

---
I'll let the numbers speak for themselves(get wrecked). ;)

And you were already beating the Germans back to Berlin in 1941 before she attacked USSR? Is that some kind of joke? :eek:

Pardon me? The French capitulated in 6 weeks! Also Italy, but not Italian Empire? No Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, etc? This is dishonest at best. If we're going to include France as Allied, you can include the USSR as an ally of Germany, which is was until 1941. Checkmate.

Edit: Add the French empire estimates from the time of their capitulation, please.

[Leto]

XUTERO is another Nazi-lover. It's senseless to talk to people who praise Hitler and his war. They are misfits to me.

[Longbowman]

Germany bombed us before we bombed them;
You should read history books, France and England are the ones who declared war on Germany. Not the other way around. They systematically refused any peace treaty proposed by the Fuhrer.
Their arrogant misplaced pride, as the 2 biggest colonial empires at the time, lost them.

Look, I know you're a very, very stupid man, but I didn't say declare war, I said bombed. Germany bombed British (and other) civilian centres in the first two years of the war. Then they whine because we returned the favour later.

Yes, we declared war on them, because they invaded smaller countries like Czechoslovakia and Poland without due cause. With Russia, one might add.

[Longbowman]

Alot of Jews here promote degenerate ideas.

So do a lot of non-Jews.

[Borna]

I swear to God, if this thread does not get closed due do some most idiotic claims i have read, ill prepare your heads in a pot full of boiling water.

[LightHouse89]

XUTERO is another Nazi-lover. It's senseless to talk to people who praise Hitler and his war. They are misfits to me.

I personally dont car about ww2 all that much....I like germany but more so in ww1 than 2. I dont blame the germans for taking their anger out on UK and france which deserved all of it but russia was unprovoked. Anyway I see our involvement in both world wars as cheating on the 'allies' side because europeans do not consider us as victors or anything other than colonial cannon fodder in those conflicts......so if russia invades wester europe in the future we wont intervene hopefully.

[Leto]

I personally dont car about ww2 all that much....I like germany but more so in ww1 than 2. I dont blame the germans for taking their anger out on UK and france which deserved all of it but russia was unprovoked. Anyway I see our involvement in both world wars as cheating on the 'allies' side because europeans do not consider us as victors or anything other than colonial cannon fodder in those conflicts......so if russia invades wester europe in the future we wont intervene hopefully.
I've never called you a Nazi, because you don't have a swastika or a German uniform on your avatar or in your signature. Although you are too obsessed with the Jews just as that guy.

[Äijä]

Pardon me? The French capitulated in 6 weeks! Also Italy, but not Italian Empire? No Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, etc? This is dishonest at best. If we're going to include France as Allied, you can include the USSR as an ally of Germany, which is was until 1941. Checkmate.

Edit: Add the French empire estimates from the time of their capitulation, please.

But when we get to the final chapter where UK, US and USSR had combined their forces/production and the game was over.
US and UK suffered a fraction of the relative casualties of Germany, USSR or even little Finland with 95.000 military deaths.

Here is a good presentation of the scale of war in the East.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Clz27nghIg

[XUTERO]

The Third Reich declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming partially Russian vassal.
Romania declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Bulgaria declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Hungary declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Slovakia declared war to Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Poland attacked Czechoslovakia, the Russian ally, and didn't allow Russians to help Czechs against the Nazis --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.
Czechia was working on German victory, sending its soldiers against Russia --> lost this war and paid becomming Russian vassal.

And all of them were aproved Churchill as well (he wrote the list of countries in Russian spheare of influence on a napkin), when it was being discussed with Stalin.

Stalin's Russia already invaded Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldavia, was busy with Finland, wanted to post troops in Romania, was posting troops at the borders of East Prussia.
What were those countries supposed to do? Patiently wait to be invaded?


Yes, Stalin the Jew-lover :rolleyes:

...whose son shot himself when his father refused to let him marry a Jew.

Correction;
-Yes, Lenin the Jew-lover :rolleyes:
-Yes, Ilya Ehrenburg, Stalin's Jewish propaganda minister that started the holocaust bullshit.

Stalin got rid of many Jews after what he considered a treason;

"After the foundation of Israel in May 1948, and its alignment with the USA in the Cold War, the 2 million Soviet Jews, who had always remained loyal to the Soviet system, were portrayed by the Stalinist regime as a potential fifth column. Despite his personal dislike of Jews, Stalin had been an early supporter of a Jewish state in Palestine, which he had hoped to turn into a Soviet satellite in the Middle East. But as the leadership of the emerging state proved hostile to approaches from the Soviet Union, Stalin became increasingly afraid of pro-Israeli feeling among Soviet Jews. His fears intensified as a result of Golda Meir's arrival in Moscow in the autumn of 1948 as the first Israeli ambassador to the USSR. On her visit to a Moscow synagogue on Yom Kippur (13 October), thousands of people lined the streets, many of them shouting Am Yisroel chai ('The people of Israel live!')—a traditional affirmation of national renewal to Jews throughout the world but to Stalin a dangerous sign of 'bourgeois Jewish nationalism' that subverted the authority of the Soviet state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and_antisemitism



Liberals here and in the EU complained about this and wanted these men to face prison sentences....the Leadership in the Marines told them to go eat a dick LOL XD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDub_zV68hI

Please Jimmy, don't watch CNN, it's a zio-controlled TV channel...

[XUTERO]

You know what? Some believe it was... the JEWS! Haha. No, it's not my personal opinion, but you can google that and see what's there.:) You'll like it, since you're so obsessed with them.

It was not the Jews, it was the Zionists. Aipac should be a good starting point for you to search, товарищ.

[XUTERO]

XUTERO is another Nazi-lover. It's senseless to talk to people who praise Hitler and his war. They are misfits to me.

You say that because you don't know enough about the 2nd World War. You watch too much movies made by zionists. Pseudo "documentary’s",
that always present fact out of their context and usually with a non-chronological presentation, just to confuse even more the watchers.

I encourages you to make your own research in-depth about what really happened. You will come facing a reality you probably don't want to see.
How could you believe that I was a fierce anti-nazi, some 7 years ago? My ignorance and brainwashing had to be removed little by little.
I am not as extreme as Jim Crow, I will always try to remain objective in my judgement. Trust me when I tell you that there are hardcore zio brainwashed people in this world.
Never wondered why all those holocaust movies are sponsored? By who? Who gains something in this propaganda?
A good and simple hint is to watch the financiers, analyse the hierarchy and the interests, usually everything becomes crystal clear.


Look, I know you're a very, very stupid man, but I didn't say declare war, I said bombed. Germany bombed British (and other) civilian centres in the first two years of the war. Then they whine because we returned the favour later.

Yes, we declared war on them, because they invaded smaller countries like Czechoslovakia and Poland without due cause. With Russia, one might add.

Usually when someone starts to insult his interlocutor, it is a clear sign of lack of arguments. I've met a lot of hard-minded people like you, but in the end I am still waiting for arguments.
Plus Czechoslovakia and Poland where concerned by the mistreatments inflicted on German minorities. I agree on Czechoslovakia but not on Poland, after all it is stolen territory from
Germany by the treaty of Versailles. It has still not been given back to Germany since then.

[Longbowman]

You say that because you don't know enough about the 2nd World War. You watch too much movies made by zionists. Pseudo "documentary’s", that always present fact out of their context
and usually with a non-chronological presentation, just to confuse even more the watchers.

I encourages you to make your own research in-depth about what really happened. You will come facing a reality you probably don't want to see.
How could you believe that I was a fierce anti-nazi, some 7 years ago. My ignorance and brainwashing had to be removed little by little.
I am not as extreme a Jim Crow, I will always try to remain objective in my judgement. Trust me when I tell you that there are hardcore zio brainwashed people in this world.
Never wondered why all those holocaust movies are sponsored? By who? Who gains something in this propaganda?
A good and simple hint is to watch the financiers, analyse the hierarchy and the interests, usually everything becomes crystal clear.



Usually when someone starts to insult his interlocutor, it is a clear sign of lack of arguments. I've met a lot of hard-minded people like you, but in the end I am still waiting for arguments.
Plus Czechoslovakia and Poland where concerned by the mistreatments inflicted on German minorities. I agree on Czechoslovakia but not on Poland, after all it is stolen territory from
Germany by the treaty of Versailles. It has still not been given back to Germany since then.

You're waiting for arguments, like the Czechoslovakia one you just agreed with? :confused:

[Leto]

You say that because you don't know enough about the 2nd World War. You watch too much movies made by zionists. Pseudo "documentary’s",
that always present fact out of their context and usually with a non-chronological presentation, just to confuse even more the watchers.

I encourages you to make your own research in-depth about what really happened. You will come facing a reality you probably don't want to see.
How could you believe that I was a fierce anti-nazi, some 7 years ago. My ignorance and brainwashing had to be removed little by little.
I am not as extreme a Jim Crow, I will always try to remain objective in my judgement. Trust me when I tell you that there are hardcore zio brainwashed people in this world.
Never wondered why all those holocaust movies are sponsored? By who? Who gains something in this propaganda?
A good and simple hint is to watch the financiers, analyse the hierarchy and the interests, usually everything becomes crystal clear.

I see you're literally chasing me with your Zionism. I've been hearing about all those things since childhood, I don't need them any fucking longer. Leave me alone, I am not interested in any discussions with you. End of fucking story.

[XUTERO]

I see you're literally chasing me with your Zionism. I've been hearing about all those things since childhood, I don't need them any fucking longer. Leave me alone, I am not interested in any discussions with you. End of fucking story.

Funny, who told you about them since childhood? How old are you exactly I wonder, and why the anger?
I have been brainwashed by hate propaganda about crazy hypnotized nazi's who exterminated people just for fun in gas chambers. I was taught to hate my own neighbour by "official" programs.
I realized that these where lies and that I should instead learn to love my continental neighbours.

[LightHouse89]

I've never called you a Nazi, because you don't have a swastika or a German uniform on your avatar or in your signature. Although you are too obsessed with the Jews just as that guy.

:cool: I have used a Nazish avatar before.

[Borna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL_WqhEQvq4

Who is paying for this ?

[Pennywise]

So Soviet war crimes are also Germany's fault?

bosniaks shouldn't be a german wannabe. especially nazi wannabe. actually no one should.

[Blackfyre]

bosniaks shouldn't be a german wannabe. especially nazi wannabe. actually no one should.

Meh... what ever, couldn't care less... Just don't call me a nazi wannabe, there is no reason to do so...

[Hochmeister]

Das Reich SS division burnt this French village with all its residents, including children and women:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TwrwJJ3G6w

And now some idiot is gonna say: "they were Communists"? It's disgusting when some pricks try to justify obvious inhuman crimes.

[Äijä]

Das Reich SS division burnt this French village with all its residents, including children and women:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TwrwJJ3G6w

And now some idiot is gonna say: "they were Communists"? It's disgusting when some pricks try to justify obvious inhuman crimes.

When will Russia start convicting people?

[Äijä]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d03Tq1AdGI

[StormBringer]

When it comes to war crimes, which stain the image of the group to which the perpetrators belong, the line between a motive and a justification blurs, most of times irretrievably.And that's going to keep happening because humans obviously still don't know how to deal with war crimes.

Now you can expect someone to make a "two wrongs make a right" response to your post.
(oh, well, Ukko beat me, it takes me too long to coin together two sentences xD)

[LightHouse89]

Das Reich SS division burnt this French village with all its residents, including children and women:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TwrwJJ3G6w

And now some idiot is gonna say: "they were Communists"? It's disgusting when some pricks try to justify obvious inhuman crimes.

I do not feel sorry for the London bombings or pillaging of France.....after the treaty of Versailles they deserved every shell and torched village that happened. Britain, France and Austria deserved to be destroyed for the back stabbing of Germany.

[Hochmeister]

I do not feel sorry for the London bombings or pillaging of France.....after the treaty of Versailles they deserved every shell and torched village that happened. Britain, France and Austria deserved to be destroyed for the back stabbing of Germany.

Nobody from simple Europeans in Germany, France, England or Russia deserved death. Nobody.
But every government in these countries deserved death for sure. All poliicians are criminals, and politics is always a criminal business.

[Not a Cop]

Does anyone? Anyone convicted?




Russians, the names are known, they are considered heroes in Russia today.

http://waralbum.ru/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/mannerheim1.3vvad2uy59q8sk0gswckkc088.ejcuplo1l0oo 0sk8c40s8osc4.th.jpeg

Don't play the innocent here, Ukko, you're a smart guy, and we both know that war is ugly, but if you want proofs here you are:

"One of the key decisions that had been taken in relation to the population of East Karelia during its occupation, was a division along ethnic lines. National, occupies a privileged position, the population were classified as so-called "sister nations": Karelia (39.6% of total population), the Finns (8.5%), Ingrian, Vepsians, Estonians, Mordvinians. The group of "non-national" population were Russian (46.7%), Ukrainians (1.3%) and other nations."

""Unrelated" people supposed to evict the territory of the RSFSR, occupied by Germany, which has 8 July 1941 Chief of the Finnish troops Mannerheim ordered his detention in concentration camps"

"Out of the more than 64 thousands Soviet citizens passed through the Finnish concentration camps, according to Finnish reports, died more than 18 thousands"


"In his letter home dating April 17, 1942 the famous Finnish politician and member of the Sejm Vaino Voyonmaa (Fin. Väinö Voionmaa) wrote :

"... Of the 20-thousand Russian population of Eenislinna, 19,000 civilians are in the concentration camps, and a thousand free. Feeding of those who are in the camp is not very commendable. Two days old horse corpses are considered food there. Russian children search through garbage in search of food waste thrown by Finnish soldiers. What would the Red Cross in Geneva said if it would've known about this ..."

"After the war, the head of the Allied Control Commission Zhdanov passed the list of 61 person whom Soviets accused of war crimes to the Prime Minister of Finland W. Castren. ... According to the list from October 1944 to December 1947 the Finnish authorities had detained 45 people, of which 30 were released due to lack of guilt, 14 punished with minor sentences (released soon), and one was fined.

http://gorod.tomsk.ru/uploads/38100/1297962255/17_1.jpg
http://aleksee-iva.narod.ru/rodoslovie/rod_stat_kart/foto/0059.JPG

[LightHouse89]

Nobody from simple Europeans in Germany, France, England or Russia deserved death. Nobody.
But every government in these countries deserved death for sure. All poliicians are criminals, and politics is always a criminal business.

True...I am not saying they deserved to die but the countries deserved to experience despair and destruction was Britain, Austria and France.............I mean all three countries plotted against Germany in the end any way especially Austria which was supposedly Germany's greatest ally..... it is well known that the Austrian monarchy plotted against Germany and did not have to pay a dime for the 'war' they started in the first place.

[Longbowman]

True...I am not saying they deserved to die but the countries deserved to experience despair and destruction was Britain, Austria and France.............I mean all three countries plotted against Germany in the end any way especially Austria which was supposedly Germany's greatest ally..... it is well known that the Austrian monarchy plotted against Germany and did not have to pay a dime for the 'war' they started in the first place.

As always, your understanding of history frightens me.

Germany was punished more severely but Austria lost its entire empire and was ordered to pay reparations.

[Äijä]

http://waralbum.ru/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/mannerheim1.3vvad2uy59q8sk0gswckkc088.ejcuplo1l0oo 0sk8c40s8osc4.th.jpeg

Don't play the innocent here, Ukko, you're a smart guy, and we both know that war is ugly, but if you want proofs here you are:

"One of the key decisions that had been taken in relation to the population of East Karelia during its occupation, was a division along ethnic lines. National, occupies a privileged position, the population were classified as so-called "sister nations": Karelia (39.6% of total population), the Finns (8.5%), Ingrian, Vepsians, Estonians, Mordvinians. The group of "non-national" population were Russian (46.7%), Ukrainians (1.3%) and other nations."

""Unrelated" people supposed to evict the territory of the RSFSR, occupied by Germany, which has 8 July 1941 Chief of the Finnish troops Mannerheim ordered his detention in concentration camps"

"Out of the more than 64 thousands Soviet citizens passed through the Finnish concentration camps, according to Finnish reports, died more than 18 thousands"


"In his letter home dating April 17, 1942 the famous Finnish politician and member of the Sejm Vaino Voyonmaa (Fin. Väinö Voionmaa) wrote :

"... Of the 20-thousand Russian population of Eenislinna, 19,000 civilians are in the concentration camps, and a thousand free. Feeding of those who are in the camp is not very commendable. Two days old horse corpses are considered food there. Russian children search through garbage in search of food waste thrown by Finnish soldiers. What would the Red Cross in Geneva said if it would've known about this ..."

"After the war, the head of the Allied Control Commission Zhdanov passed the list of 61 person whom Soviets accused of war crimes to the Prime Minister of Finland W. Castren. ... According to the list from October 1944 to December 1947 the Finnish authorities had detained 45 people, of which 30 were released due to lack of guilt, 14 punished with minor sentences (released soon), and one was fined.

http://gorod.tomsk.ru/uploads/38100/1297962255/17_1.jpg
http://aleksee-iva.narod.ru/rodoslovie/rod_stat_kart/foto/0059.JPG

These where not death camps on intention, willing to debate those camps and the reasons behind any day.

[LightHouse89]

As always, your understanding of history frightens me.

Germany was punished more severely but Austria lost its entire empire and was ordered to pay reparations.

Why did the British and French punish Germany more severely? The Weimar republic was a joke. It is a shame ww1 started to begin with though. But it is well known Austria did not suffer financially as much as Germany. Some Germans immigrated here during this time....my ancestors were lucky or my grandmother's parents...they came here 8 years before Germany was thrown into ww1.

My lack of history? Well I know that the french and brits orchestrated alot of the ideas behind the treaty of Versailles......In a way one could say they created Hitler not the Germans :p...thats what we say here had the brits and frogs not been so arrogant and stupid then ww2 would have never happened.

I think the world would be better had Germany conquered france and britain and america stayed out of the war.

[LightHouse89]

These where not death camps on intention, willing to debate those camps and the reasons behind any day.

They look like 'special' camps designed to starve people to death or something. The Germans and British were famous for making them too. The Brits did it with the Boers.

[Not a Cop]

These where not death camps on intention, willing to debate those camps and the reasons behind any day.

Theese were indeed not a death camps, but concetration camps, where people were gathered with intention to be sent away, however thousands died there.

[Äijä]

Theese were indeed not a death camps, but concetration camps, where people were gathered with intention to be sent away, however thousands died there.

Yep, that is the truth behind them.

[Äijä]

One case where most must have lost their lives was when Finns swapped POW political commissars for Ingrian civilians with Germans, dont think many consider that as a war crime.

[Äijä]

One interesting thing is that Finns separated the non political Jewish POWs to a separate camp...to be looked after by the Jews in Finland.
That is those Finnish Jews that where not in the front building their field synagogue next to the Germans.

[XUTERO]

Das Reich SS division burnt this French village with all its residents, including children and women:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TwrwJJ3G6w

And now some idiot is gonna say: "they were Communists"? It's disgusting when some pricks try to justify obvious inhuman crimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane
This is ridiculous, even considering this to be true, how many died? 200 people? How can you hope to compare this to the 20.000.000 dead by the USSR on the battlefield,
the 7.000.000 Ukrainians starved to death by Soviets, the 7.000.000 German soldiers dead on the battlefield, the 2.000.000 women raped from 8 years old to 88 by Soviets,
who send millions with all their families to the gulags, the millions of Europeans who died under the bombs of the "Allied liberators", the 1,5.000.000 Germans who were killed
in camps after the end of the war, the 40.000.000 native Americans killed by colonials like yourself?

Please don't shed crocodile tears. Your argument weight nothing in the front of justice. You are a hypocrite.

[Obscene]

I swear to God, if this thread does not get closed due do some most idiotic claims i have read, ill prepare your heads in a pot full of boiling water.

:puppy_dp:

[Longbowman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane
This is ridiculous, even considering this to be true, how many died? 200 people? How can you hope to compare this to the 20.000.000 dead by the USSR on the battlefield,
the 7.000.000 Ukrainians starved to death by Soviets, the 7.000.000 German soldiers dead on the battlefield, the 2.000.000 women raped from 8 years old to 88 by Soviets,
who send millions with all their families to the gulags, the millions of Europeans who died under the bombs of the "Allied liberators", the 1,5.000.000 Germans who were killed
in camps after the end of the war, the 40.000.000 native Americans killed by colonials like yourself?

Please don't shed crocodile tears. Your argument weight nothing in the front of justice. You are a hypocrite.

Ok, first, the German military deaths don't count, military deaths don't count.

Second, the Germans bombed millions of other country's civilians before the Allies even started bombing Germany. 1.5 million Germans were not killed in camps after the end of the war, maybe you're thinking of the number of Gypsies that died in the Holocaust which you deny.

40,000,000 is an estimate about 20 times higher than the highest estimate. There were only 30,000,000 natives living in the US in the 1600s anyway and of those that died most died of diseases like smallpox. Furthermore they have a hell of a lot of descendants. Although yes, it was genocide, the fact the US committed bad acts doesn't excuse Germany from doing the same.

I've thumbed this down because I don't want anyone to think I read it and didn't disapprove of the unparalleled idiocy within. Sorry.

[Borna]

the fact the US committed bad acts doesn't excuse Germany from doing the same.

It is quite opposite, US and Allies blame Germany for things they have done as well.
Do i have to remind you that first concentration camps in modern ages were opened by your people for Boers?

[Longbowman]

It is quite opposite, US and Allies blame Germany for things they have done as well.
Do i have to remind you that first concentration camps in modern ages were opened by your people for Boers?

Concentration camps are fine, usually. Death camps are not. Don't conflate the two.

The US doesn't deny it killed Indians and Germany doesn't deny it killed Poles, Jews, Gypsies, etc etc.

[SkyBurn]

But c'mon guys. The Nazis LOVED the slavs, right? Totally cared about whether they lived or died, RIGHT?

Oh, slavic neo-Nazis.

[Borna]

But c'mon guys. The Nazis LOVED the slavs, right? Totally cared about whether they lived or died, RIGHT?

Oh, slavic neo-Nazis.

A Juden as you should not interfere in inter-European issues like this one.
If you knew anything about WW2 you would realize Hitler hand more Slavic allies than Germanic.

[Rugevit]

Modern Minsk from Hoosier Tim's Travel Videos narrated in English. It's a one hour long video which you can watch in High Definition.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XECCzTr3Wao




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I may also look for an old documentary called "New Minsk" filmed in the 50s. The documentary is about Minsk rebuilding.

[SkyBurn]

A Juden as you should not interfere in inter-European issues like this one.
If you knew anything about WW2 you would realize Hitler hand more Slavic allies than Germanic.

:laugh:

Only on TA.

[XUTERO]

Ok, first, the German military deaths don't count, military deaths don't count.

Second, the Germans bombed millions of other country's civilians before the Allies even started bombing Germany. 1.5 million Germans were not killed in camps after the end of the war,[/I] maybe you're thinking of the number of Gypsies that died in the Holocaust which you deny.

40,000,000 is an estimate about 20 times higher than the highest estimate. There were only 30,000,000 natives living in the US in the 1600s anyway and of those that died most died of diseases like smallpox. Furthermore they have a hell of a lot of descendants. Although yes, it was genocide, the fact the US committed bad acts doesn't excuse Germany from doing the same.

I've thumbed this down because I don't want anyone to think I read it and didn't disapprove of the unparalleled idiocy within. Sorry.

Second, the Germans bombed millions of other country's civilians before the Allies even started bombing Germany.;
Do I have to learn you that the Fuhrer proposed countless peace treaties that were always answered by silence? The English declare war on
Germany, refuse peace and then they cry when they are beaten? Sorry to say that, but you got exactly what you desired.
http://justice4germans.com/2013/06/29/what-the-world-rejected-hitlers-peace-offers-1933-1939-time-to-face-the-facts/
https://archive.org/details/WhatTheWorldRejectedHitlersPeaceOffers1933-1939

1.5 million Germans were not killed in camps after the end of the war,;
You can't be serious right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labor_of_Germans_after_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_%281944%E2%80%9350 %29
http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhl0Jw5JW0c
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/portfolio/part-18-germany-defeated/

maybe you're thinking of the number of Gypsies that died in the Holocaust which you deny.;
I made a thread specially on this subject, made my own research about the subject and never found any convincing proof of this.
Nothing that can be scientifically proven, and I am still waiting to be convinced. Nowadays almost everybody knows that these are propagandists
lies made up by Ilya Grigoryevich Ehrenburg, Stalin's Jewish propaganda minister, who's fault it is that those 2 million women got raped in East Prussia.
That false propaganda justified why they could do anything they wanted to the Germans.

40,000,000 is an estimate about 20 times higher than the highest estimate. There were only 30,000,000 natives living in the US in the 1600s anyway and of those that died most died of diseases like smallpox. Furthermore they have a hell of a lot of descendants. Although yes, it was genocide;
It wasn't exaggerated at all and your people deliberately infected the indigenous people of the Americas to exterminate them;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_the_indigenous_peoples_of_t he_Americas#Deliberate_infection

I maintain that, thinking that we got what we deserved, when you are the ones who declared war on us and abused us, is pure hypocrisy, like I said.
Now where are your sources my boy? Because refuting what I say without proof or sources isn't a smart move.

[Kamal900]

Second, the Germans bombed millions of other country's civilians before the Allies even started bombing Germany.;
Do I have to learn you that the Fuhrer proposed countless peace treaties that were always answered by silence? The English declare war on
Germany, refuse peace and then they cry when they are beaten? Sorry to say that, but you got exactly what you desired.
http://justice4germans.com/2013/06/29/what-the-world-rejected-hitlers-peace-offers-1933-1939-time-to-face-the-facts/
https://archive.org/details/WhatTheWorldRejectedHitlersPeaceOffers1933-1939

1.5 million Germans were not killed in camps after the end of the war,;
You can't be serious right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labor_of_Germans_after_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_%281944%E2%80%9350 %29
http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhl0Jw5JW0c
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/portfolio/part-18-germany-defeated/

maybe you're thinking of the number of Gypsies that died in the Holocaust which you deny.;
I made a thread specially on this subject, made my own research about the subject and never found any convincing proof of this.
Nothing that can be scientifically proven, and I am still waiting to be convinced. Nowadays almost everybody knows that these are propagandists
lies made up by Ilya Grigoryevich Ehrenburg, Stalin's Jewish propaganda minister, who's fault it is that those 2 million women got raped in East Prussia.
That false propaganda justified why they could do anything they wanted to the Germans.

40,000,000 is an estimate about 20 times higher than the highest estimate. There were only 30,000,000 natives living in the US in the 1600s anyway and of those that died most died of diseases like smallpox. Furthermore they have a hell of a lot of descendants. Although yes, it was genocide;
It wasn't exaggerated at all and your people deliberately infected the indigenous people of the Americas to exterminate them;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_the_indigenous_peoples_of_t he_Americas#Deliberate_infection

I maintain that, thinking that we got what we deserved, when you are the ones who declared war on us and abused us, is pure hypocrisy, like I said.
Now where are your sources my boy? Because refuting what I say without proof or sources isn't a smart move.

Dude, its useless to convince pro-Zionist Jews like him about real history and etc. The fact is that the holocaust is the most protected and lied history in modern history, and anyone even questions the official narrative of WW2 would be imprisoned for over 10 years, much higher prison sentence than a rapist. The fact they created a religion out of it, and are pushing down the throats of many innocent white children in believing that their race are evil, and they should grovel to the demands of Jews and non-whites generally. Jews DID declare war on Germany the very first day Hitler became the leader of the country:
http://justice4germans.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/judea_declares_war_on_germany.jpg

But here's a kicker; what about the deaths of tens of millions of innocent eastern European Christians that the communist jews themselves were responsible? I dont see Jews like Gengrich Yagoda, Lazar Kegonovich, Lev Bronstein, Maxim Wallach, and etc being trialed for war crimes do you? Yes! The Jews have made “Holocaust” remembrance a religion in the West. WWII is now only a footnote to the Holocaust story. As if the Nazis had any choice in sending Jews to Auschwitz. Jews were a big security risk for Germany (and for all White countries, and they still are today). Most of them were communists, and the ones who weren’t communists were nonetheless subversive in other ways. Of course Jews were shipped off to concentration camps. Logic demanded it. By the way, it was Jews (i.e., the Soviets) who perfected the concentration-camp system via the “Gulag.” Germany merely copied parts of it from them [1]. As for “human gassings” at Auschwitz: that’s pure baloney. Most dead inmates at Auschwitz died from either disease, malnutrition/starvation or perhaps hanging if they were hard-core criminals. However, many Jews survived Auschwitz, which tells you that it wasn’t a “death camp” per se.

[1] a Jew, Naftaly Frenkel, was considered to be the godfather of the perfected Soviet concentration-camp system, which was run by the government agency called the “Gulag,” an acronym for “Main Administration of Corrective Labor Camps and Labor Settlements.” It figures that an instrument of terror was perfected by Jews and blamed on gentiles

I suggest to you read Alexander Solzhenitsyn's books to learn more about this.

[Fortis in Arduis]

I suggest to you read Alexander Solzhenitsyn's books to learn more about this.

His last and final book, "Two Hundred Years Together" by this well-respected dissident author was not published in English, although it has been published in French and German.

However, it is possible to read an English translation, online.

Here is one incomplete translation: http://mailstar.net/Solzhenitsyn-200YT.pdf

I am not convinved that the communism of the east was truly Jewish in nature, and I think that the book actually reveals that it was the Menshevik faction that was more Jewish than the political victors, the Bolsheviks, but anyway... It might be of interest.

[LightHouse89]

It is quite opposite, US and Allies blame Germany for things they have done as well.
Do i have to remind you that first concentration camps in modern ages were opened by your people for Boers?

USA never had concentration camps.

[LightHouse89]

But c'mon guys. The Nazis LOVED the slavs, right? Totally cared about whether they lived or died, RIGHT?

Oh, slavic neo-Nazis.

Very confusing for me to disagree with you or agree with you. What really intrigues me is the fact the Orthodox church was opened in 'liberated areas by the Nazis. Why would the Nazis wish to wipe out Eastern eurpeans if they allowed churches to be opened?

[LightHouse89]

Concentration camps are fine, usually. Death camps are not. Don't conflate the two.

The US doesn't deny it killed Indians and Germany doesn't deny it killed Poles, Jews, Gypsies, etc etc.

Reservations were not death camps or concentration camps...and comparing the three is offensive to me. A reservation was an are of land the natives could govern themselves without outside influence. Thy were not political hostages but free.

[LightHouse89]

Ok, first, the German military deaths don't count, military deaths don't count.

Second, the Germans bombed millions of other country's civilians before the Allies even started bombing Germany. 1.5 million Germans were not killed in camps after the end of the war, maybe you're thinking of the number of Gypsies that died in the Holocaust which you deny.

40,000,000 is an estimate about 20 times higher than the highest estimate. There were only 30,000,000 natives living in the US in the 1600s anyway and of those that died most died of diseases like smallpox. Furthermore they have a hell of a lot of descendants. Although yes, it was genocide, the fact the US committed bad acts doesn't excuse Germany from doing the same.

I've thumbed this down because I don't want anyone to think I read it and didn't disapprove of the unparalleled idiocy within. Sorry.

We all possibly have .1% of NA DNA.....I wont deny this and I would be shocked if I am 100% European.....any less than 99%-98% range though would shock me to a different level.

[Kamal900]

His last and final book, "Two Hundred Years Together" by this well-respected dissident author was not published in English, although it has been published in French and German.

However, it is possible to read an English translation, online.

Here is one incomplete translation: http://mailstar.net/Solzhenitsyn-200YT.pdf

I am not convinved that the communism of the east was truly Jewish in nature, and I think that the book actually reveals that it was the Menshevik faction that was more Jewish than the political victors, the Bolsheviks, but anyway... It might be of interest.

Most, if not all, of his books were not published in any country in the western world, so it does tell you who is in charge in publishing PC books and etc. The early years of communism was indeed Jewish to the core, and even people like Winston Churchill also said the same thing back when he was just a journalist:
http://www.davidduke.com/images/churchill.png

"SOME people like Jews and some do not; but no thoughtful man can doubt the fact that they are beyond all question the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has ever appeared in the world.

And it may well be that this same astounding race may at the present time be in the actual process of producing another system of morals and philosophy, as malevolent as Christianity was benevolent, which, if not arrested would shatter irretrievably all that Christianity has rendered possible. It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical.

The National Russian Jews, in spite of the disabilities under which they have suffered, have managed to play an honourable and successful part in the national life even of Russia. As bankers and industrialists they have strenuously promoted the development of Russia's economic resources, and they were foremost in the creation of those remarkable organisations, the Russian Co-operative Societies. In politics their support has been given, for the most part, to liberal and progressive movements, and they have been among the staunchest upholders of friendship with France and Great Britain.


In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus--Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and an the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution: by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.

The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing."

[XUTERO]

Dude, its useless to convince pro-Zionist Jews like him about real history and etc. The fact is that the holocaust is the most protected and lied history in modern history, and anyone even questions the official narrative of WW2 would be imprisoned for over 10 years, much higher prison sentence than a rapist. The fact they created a religion out of it, and are pushing down the throats of many innocent white children in believing that their race are evil, and they should grovel to the demands of Jews and non-whites generally. Jews DID declare war on Germany the very first day Hitler became the leader of the country:
http://justice4germans.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/judea_declares_war_on_germany.jpg

But here's a kicker; what about the deaths of tens of millions of innocent eastern European Christians that the communist jews themselves were responsible? I dont see Jews like Gengrich Yagoda, Lazar Kegonovich, Lev Bronstein, Maxim Wallach, and etc being trialed for war crimes do you? Yes! The Jews have made “Holocaust” remembrance a religion in the West. WWII is now only a footnote to the Holocaust story. As if the Nazis had any choice in sending Jews to Auschwitz. Jews were a big security risk for Germany (and for all White countries, and they still are today). Most of them were communists, and the ones who weren’t communists were nonetheless subversive in other ways. Of course Jews were shipped off to concentration camps. Logic demanded it. By the way, it was Jews (i.e., the Soviets) who perfected the concentration-camp system via the “Gulag.” Germany merely copied parts of it from them [1]. As for “human gassings” at Auschwitz: that’s pure baloney. Most dead inmates at Auschwitz died from either disease, malnutrition/starvation or perhaps hanging if they were hard-core criminals. However, many Jews survived Auschwitz, which tells you that it wasn’t a “death camp” per se.

[1] a Jew, Naftaly Frenkel, was considered to be the godfather of the perfected Soviet concentration-camp system, which was run by the government agency called the “Gulag,” an acronym for “Main Administration of Corrective Labor Camps and Labor Settlements.” It figures that an instrument of terror was perfected by Jews and blamed on gentiles

I suggest to you read Alexander Solzhenitsyn's books to learn more about this.

Yes! The Jews have made “Holocaust” remembrance a religion in the West.;
I totally agree, the Soah, like they call it:
-they have their dogma: 6.000.000 Jews gassed.
(even if in reality there was no Jewish nationality card at the time and thus, no registry to count them)

-they have their commandments: believing in homicidal gas chambers & that "final solution" meant "extermination".
(no extermination plan was ever found in any German archives)

-they have their priests and prophets; like Elie Wiesel, Simone Veil, Bernard-Henri Lévy, ect...
(there are too many to site them all, there are hundreds of them)

-they have their saint places: Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, ect...

-they have their own mind police: ADL, LICRA, CRIF, ect...

-they have their own Saints: "Saint" Anne Frank, taken away by typhus.

-they have their own sacred structures: the Auschwitz morgue, transformed in "gas chamber". The crematorium ovens.
(I even saw some "pseudo testimony" claiming that they burned +-700 bodies per hour, which is strictly impossible)

-they have their own relics: soap made out of human fat.
(which is still to be proven, and even if it was true it has been vastly exagerated,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_from_human_corpses)

-they have their demons; and for them Adolf Hitler = Satan.
http://k19.kn3.net/0CF31967E.jpg

The Shoah religion has it's martyrs, it's heroes, it's miracles. ("miraculous survivals")
She knows no pity, no forgiveness, no clemency, only the obligation of vengeance.
She collect tremendous quantities of money, for "memorial forgiveness", and allow her
own members state privileges. She wants to dictate our nations their laws.

Shoah religion separates itself clearly from Judaism, in any possible way.


Jews were a big security risk for Germany (and for all White countries, and they still are today).:
Exactly, the Weimar Republic is where we come from, and it is also where they want to send us back.

However, many Jews survived Auschwitz, which tells you that it wasn’t a “death camp” per se.:
It is true that there were counter testimonies by Jews themselves.

I suggest to you read Alexander Solzhenitsyn's books to learn more about this.
Thank you, I will give it a try after my current book. If you have other interesting books, I'm open to them.



His last and final book, "Two Hundred Years Together" by this well-respected dissident author was not published in English, although it has been published in French and German.

However, it is possible to read an English translation, online.

Here is one incomplete translation: http://mailstar.net/Solzhenitsyn-200YT.pdf

I am not convinved that the communism of the east was truly Jewish in nature, and I think that the book actually reveals that it was the Menshevik faction that was more Jewish than the political victors, the Bolsheviks, but anyway... It might be of interest.

I will read the French version, I assimilate faster, that way, thanks anyway.

[Kamal900]

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Let me point this clear, i dont advocate murdering or genociding Jews or anything(or to any race for that matter), but the fact is that they get too much power in countries they happen to live in, and really, thats whats ailing the world today. Its thanks to this whole holocaust fiasco, they are in control in most of the country's institutions, media, economics and etc without any opposition or question. What people really need to do is resisting Jewish domination over their countries, and get their country back from them. You can't do this democratically, because the system is in their control(look at AIPAC as a prime example).

[Fortis in Arduis]

Let me point this clear, i dont advocate murdering or genociding Jews or anything(or to any race for that matter), but the fact is that they get too much power in countries they happen to live in, and really, thats whats ailing the world today. Its thanks to this whole holocaust fiasco, they are in control in most of the country's institutions, media, economics and etc without any opposition or question. What people really need to do is resisting Jewish domination over their countries, and get their country back from them. You can't do this democratically, because the system is in their control(look at AIPAC as a prime example).

Fine, but Jewish Establishment organisations like AIPAC are seen by the Jewish-Israeli far-right (representing the Jewish future, I think) as a means by which liberal American Jews can exert unwelcome political influence over Israeli foreign and domestic policy.

Example:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh1RFsKmUUI

[Kamal900]

Fine, but Jewish Establishment organisations like AIPAC are seen by the Jewish-Israeli far-right (representing the Jewish future, I think) as a means by which liberal American Jews can exert unwelcome political influence over Israeli foreign and domestic policy.

Example:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh1RFsKmUUI

I suggest you watch this wonderful documentary film about AIPAC, and what influence does that lobby has in America's politics, and its policy towards the ME:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=357s5I4nrYw

As i said, the holocaust grants them immunity to ANY criticism against Israel or anything relates to Jewry, a fact that is once admitted by an Israeli former minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE

[Hochmeister]

The Nuremberg trial was nothing like a trial at all, it was a slaughtering.


Wrong. A number of generals, ministers and officers was not found guilty (and freed) or they were not even judged at all. And they were living and had good positions in both East and West post-war Germany.



Also blaming Prussia and ensuring that it would disappear forever is an unforgettable crime.

1. It was Churchill's idea to separate Germany.
2. It was Churchill's idea to give East Prussia to Poland, but Stalin traded Konigsberg to Russia and Memel to Lithuania for Soviets' political accedence about it.
3. It was Churchill's idea to destroy West Prussia forever.
4. But Prussia hadn't existed since 1934. It was abolished during administrative reforms of Hitler:

"...When Germany’s defeat in the Second World War was on the horizon, Winston Churchill said that after the victory “Prussia” should be punished first and foremost and the other German states spared. In 1945, the Allied forces announced in a bombastic resolution that Prussia was finally eliminated. They hadn’t noticed that that state hadn’t existed since 1934. At that time, Hermann Göring, a Bavarian, had already done away with it on orders of the Austrian Adolf Hitler" http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=1153

5. Britain, France and the USA were against the reunification of Germany and only Soviet Union helped Germany to get united in 1991 again.

[Fortis in Arduis]

I suggest you watch this wonderful documentary film about AIPAC, and what influence does that lobby has in America's politics, and its policy towards the ME:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=357s5I4nrYw

As i said, the holocaust grants them immunity to ANY criticism against Israel or anything relates to Jewry, a fact that is once admitted by an Israeli former minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE

AIPAC as an Establishment organisation is the enemy of the Jewish far-left (groups like Democracy Now! and Peace Now!) and the Jewish far-right. AIPAC is supportive of the two-state solution and a return to the pre-1967 borders, which would sound the death knell for Israel as a state.

[Longbowman]

Auschwitz wasn't a death camp, it was a conglomeration of 42 camps, one of which was a death camp. The fact that is wasn't just a death camp meant people survived and hence spread its fame. Why don't you ask how many people survived Belzec, Sobibor, or Treblinka?

As for Bolsheviks being Jewish - 'all except Lenin' - what, and Stalin, Molotov, Valentinov, Bogdanov, Pokrovsky, Lunacharsky, every future Soviet leader, Zinoviev, Nogin, Muranov, and most other Bolsheviks? Poor understanding of history, but I've come to expect little more of you.

The idea that 'Jews were a big security risk' for Germany is ridiculous. Exactly how many people did they kill? My Austrian paternal great-grandfather, a Jew, fought for the Austro-Hungarian army (yes, not Germany at the time, but don't be pedantic) in World War One as a frontline officer and was repaid in blood. Are children security risks? If one genuinely considers Jewish genetics to be security risks for host populations, one dare not be affronted by the (totally inaccurate on a general level) idea that Jews don't like you.

The idea that 'Jews are what's ailing the world' is also pretty stupid, but as you haven't provided anything other than a flailing swipe at AIPAC, I'm not going to bother to explain why you're wrong.

[Kamal900]

Auschwitz wasn't a death camp, it was a conglomeration of 42 camps, one of which was a death camp. The fact that is wasn't just a death camp meant people survived and hence spread its fame. Why don't you ask how many people survived Belzec, Sobibor, or Treblinka?

As for Bolsheviks being Jewish - 'all except Lenin' - what, and Stalin, Molotov, Valentinov, Bogdanov, Pokrovsky, Lunacharsky, every future Soviet leader, Zinoviev, Nogin, Muranov, and most other Bolsheviks? Poor understanding of history, but I've come to expect little more of you.

The idea that 'Jews were a big security risk' for Germany is ridiculous. Exactly how many people did they kill? My Austrian paternal great-grandfather, a Jew, fought for the Austro-Hungarian army (yes, not Germany at the time, but don't be pedantic) in World War One as a frontline officer and was repaid in blood. Are children security risks? If one genuinely considers Jewish genetics to be security risks for host populations, one dare not be affronted by the (totally inaccurate on a general level) idea that Jews don't like you.

The idea that 'Jews are what's ailing the world' is also pretty stupid, but as you haven't provided anything other than a flailing swipe at AIPAC, I'm not going to bother to explain why you're wrong.

Churchill publish this article in the year 1920, a time where Joseph Stalin and other prominent gentile communist werent significant or played a large role in the formation of communism. Trotsky for example, was the head of the red army at that time, and he killed millions of innocent people along with other early communist jews in Russia. Again, watch the documentary film about AIPAC and its grip on the political system in America, and essentially, it was AIPAC AND the jewish neo-cons(also known as ex-trostky-ites) were responsible for the deaths of 1.5 million Iraqis during the 2003 war in Iraq(its a war on Israel's and Jewry's behalf). Madeleine Albright is as Jewish as Arial Sharon, and she is very proud of her people's accomplishment in killing over 500,000 iraqi children for Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8
Proud American jewish neocons pushing for war against Israel for YHWH and Israel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jilA-ZeBUI4

Stalin's Jews

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish:

Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."

Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.

Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Gengrich Yagoda:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/1936_genrich_grigorijewitsch_jagoda.jpg

Lazar Kegonovich:
http://region-history.ru/images/stories/images01/01/lazar-kaganovich.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVrNet_eC_I

Jewish communists of Germany:

Kurt Eisner:
http://bayerntrips.com/uploads/tx_news/eisner.jpg

Rosa Luxembourg:
http://rosaluxemburgblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/1907-or-1908-maybe-rosa-luxemburg-rls.jpg

Karl liebknecht:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/KLiebknecht.jpg

Karl Radek(he resembles you a bit):
https://www.marxists.org/francais/radek/radek.jpg

More:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKcpm_fm8mQ

As for holocaustianity, you may wonder why its the only historical event that no one is allowed to even question it. The fact that many historians are even in prison right now tells you a lot about whether the event actually have happened or not. Truth does not fear investigation, only lies. I suggest you read david irving's books on the matter, or even watch this documentary film by Eric Hunt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8

[Longbowman]

1) Karl Radek in no way resembles me.

2) You didn't respond to any of my points.

3) The death toll in Iraq is nowhere near 1.5 million and most of those were not caused by the Yanks.

4) The notion Stalin had sex with women who were Jewish is irrelevant. He also a) wasn't Jewish and b) refused to allow his son to marry a Jew. His son went on to attempt suicide for this and later die in WW2.

5) Individual Jews do bad things. Listing individual Jews who have done bad things is unimpressive. If I listed individual Muslims or Palestinians who did bad things you'd call me a shit-stirrer, which is what you are.

Unless you have any actual evidence Jews as a group or a group of Jews are doing evil things covertly, shut up.

[Kamal900]

1) Karl Radek in no way resembles me.

2) You didn't respond to any of my points.

3) The death toll in Iraq is nowhere near 1.5 million and most of those were not caused by the Yanks.

4) The notion Stalin had sex with women who were Jewish is irrelevant. He also a) wasn't Jewish and b) refused to allow his son to marry a Jew. His son went on to attempt suicide for this and later die in WW2.

5) Individual Jews do bad things. Listing individual Jews who have done bad things is unimpressive. If I listed individual Muslims or Palestinians who did bad things you'd call me a shit-stirrer, which is what you are.

Unless you have any actual evidence Jews as a group or a group of Jews are doing evil things covertly, shut up.

I already answered your question that these so called "survivors" often lie about things in what happened in Auschwitz or any of the so called death camps for that matter. I told you to read David Irving's findings about the holocaust, and watch documentary films by Eric Hunt about accusations of intended genocide by Nazi Germany. About jews being a group, i posted that in your thread in the past:

Not really. Most mixed Jews identify themselves as Jews first and foremost, and put their interests above the nation's interests they happen to live in. Diaspora Jews are know to have a single loyalty, and that is to their tribe.

http://davidduke.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/diaspora-mourning.jpg
I am sitting on a patch of grass in central Pennsylvania, a mile and a half up a dirt road, in a camp nestled on a lake, surrounded by forests.

"But I feel like I am in Israel.

Distance, geography and proximity no longer seem to matter. A slice of Israeli life has transplanted itself to these woods, to this grass, to these trees and we mourn together, Israelis and Americans, staff members and campers, parents and children, side by side, collectively sharing our pain and our tears.

As we do every summer, we are gathered for two months of living, learning and teaching together. We share art projects and tennis matches. We learn classic Jewish texts and through hikes, games, overnights in the woods we teach our kids about the history of Israel and its contemporary culture.

Announcements are in Hebrew, and our days are structured according to central themes related to Zionist thought and Israeli culture. Despite our vastly different personal narratives and the diversity of our normal daily routines, for these moments, as we create our own mini-Israel in Pennsylvania, everything is shared.

An Israeli couple, currently on shlichut as emissaries in New York played the violin and flute, while their American students linked arms and sang along. The environment was somewhat surreal. It felt more like I was sitting on a yishuv in the Golan than on a grassy hill in Pennsylvania.

“I know I should probably take it off,” she remarked, “since it says v’shavu banim l’gvulam ['the children shall return to their own borders'] and we can no longer bring them back. I feel guilty leaving it on, but I don’t want to take it off because it reminds me of who we are, how we care for one another and what we are capable of accomplishing.” "
blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-blurred-lines-of-diaspora-mourning/

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http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.574836
“The project’s goal is to develop a wide-ranging plan of action on Jewish identity and Israel-Diaspora connections, and it kicked off in November with a meeting of Jewish leaders right before the Jewish Federations of North America General Assembly,” the JTA report said.

“This week, Jews around the world were invited online to discuss working papers on the initiative’s seven main areas of focus, most of which focused on engaging Jews through formal and informal education, as well as immersive experiences in Israel.

“For Bennett, the larger idea is a paradigm shift in how Israel and the Diaspora view each other. Instead of American Jews funding Israel’s existence as an embattled home for refugees, he says the Jewish state’s main mission should be ensuring Jewish continuity.”

According to the Israeli government minister, “What worked in terms of Israel-Jewish Diaspora relations doesn’t work anymore. Instead of viewing the Diaspora as a wallet, the new objective is keeping Jews Jewish and connected to Israel even if they don’t make Aliya.” (the Hebrew for Jewish immigration to Israel).

The JTA report quoted Bennett as saying that “Israel can no longer expect masses of Jews to make aliyah, as they had from the Soviet Union, Ethiopia and the Middle East in previous decades. We still have an objective of aliya, but it’s definitely a watershed point in the sense that we understand that a big proportion of Jews is hoping to stay in the Diaspora.

“We recognize that now we have to shift the objective to keep them Jewish. It’s a big change. Israel has never stepped up to that.”

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http://davidduke.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/french-jews-israeli-id.jpg

the article repeats the claim that “rising anti-Semitism” is the cause of the increase in Jewish emigration—without mentioning that the rise in anti-Jewish attacks in France is directly linked to the mass immigration policies which these same Jews supported and agitated to be implemented in France.

The article reveals much about the Jewish single-loyalty question as well. Some quotes:

Jewish Agency chairman Natan Sharansky and his wife, Avital, were among those on hand at the ceremony along with Israeli Immigration Minister Sofa Landver and Haim Korsia, France’s newly elected chief rabbi.

During her address, Landver announced new regulations passed last month that she promised would ensure that most French professional diplomas — especially in paramedical fields such as optometry and physiotherapy — are automatically recognized in Israel, making it unnecessary for the new arrivals to retake exams.

“If you were good at your job here, you will be excellent in Israel,” she said. “We want you back home, our home.”
http://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-french-jews-bid-adieu-at-pre-aliyah-party/

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I suggest you look up for the word, Sayanem, which literally means protectors of helpers. Read these articles to know how Jews help and protect one another:

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Webster-Mossad.html

"Or were they acting as sayanim, the Hebrew word for helpers, whom the Mossad relies on across the globe to provide shelter, money, and logistical support ... in this case identity."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jamal-dajani/mossads-little-helpers_b_487173.html

"Why American Jews Shouldn't Be Afraid To Put Israel First"
http://forward.com/articles/186631/why-american-jews-shouldnt-be-afraid-to-put-israel/#ixzz3Hxt0HNvW

"American jews embrace your dual loyalty"
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.560260

So no, Jews identify themselves VERY strongly to Israel and Zionism, and they are willing to sacrifice every of the gentile's sons and daughters to fight their wars, just like in the case in Iraq, and the upcoming war in Iran.

The death tole is over a million, and the iraqi people's lives where mainly lost by American bombardment of the country and etc. Again, the jewish neocons had finally got their war for Israel's sake.
http://www.projectcensored.org/1-over-one-million-iraqi-deaths-caused-by-us-occupation/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/01/30/us-iraq-deaths-survey-idUSL3048857920080130

[Longbowman]

Don't paint yourself as a fair man. You are now calling relatives of mine liars. Not just that, you are calling millions of Jews, Gypsies (why are they lying, again?) Germans, Slavs, British, Soviets, allied and axis, Jew and Gentile, pretty much everyone relevant to the event, liars, just to satisfy your corrupted worldview. You are disgusting, physically and mentally.

The death toll is not even 200,000. Not that it matters.

[Leto]

70-80% of all the early Bolshevik leaders were Jewish, it's a fact, how can anyone deny it?

[LightHouse89]

Auschwitz wasn't a death camp, it was a conglomeration of 42 camps, one of which was a death camp. The fact that is wasn't just a death camp meant people survived and hence spread its fame. Why don't you ask how many people survived Belzec, Sobibor, or Treblinka?

As for Bolsheviks being Jewish - 'all except Lenin' - what, and Stalin, Molotov, Valentinov, Bogdanov, Pokrovsky, Lunacharsky, every future Soviet leader, Zinoviev, Nogin, Muranov, and most other Bolsheviks? Poor understanding of history, but I've come to expect little more of you.

The idea that 'Jews were a big security risk' for Germany is ridiculous. Exactly how many people did they kill? My Austrian paternal great-grandfather, a Jew, fought for the Austro-Hungarian army (yes, not Germany at the time, but don't be pedantic) in World War One as a frontline officer and was repaid in blood. Are children security risks? If one genuinely considers Jewish genetics to be security risks for host populations, one dare not be affronted by the (totally inaccurate on a general level) idea that Jews don't like you.

The idea that 'Jews are what's ailing the world' is also pretty stupid, but as you haven't provided anything other than a flailing swipe at AIPAC, I'm not going to bother to explain why you're wrong.

Some people have told me it was a summer camp others an amusement park? the soviets and americans made up all of the history surrounding it, they hated germans this much so they had to make them look bad.....most of these people claiming they were there had bad experiences on the rides or have motion sickness......so they offered to claim that it was a death camp or a miserable place. :rolleyes: [jk] LOL

[Leto]

As for Bolsheviks being Jewish - 'all except Lenin' - what, and Stalin, Molotov, Valentinov, Bogdanov, Pokrovsky, Lunacharsky, every future Soviet leader, Zinoviev, Nogin, Muranov, and most other Bolsheviks? Poor understanding of history, but I've come to expect little more of you.
A lot of Jewish Bolsheviks had Russian-sounding pseudonyms, because common people didn't really like Jews and they wanted to conceal their identity.
Valentinov - Abramson (Jewish)
Zinoviev - Apfelbaum (Jewish)

[Graham]

germany should pay russia and belarus money and give free submarines for their crimes


Germoney where is our submarines?!?!



We ask for Submarines too.

[LightHouse89]

A lot of Jewish Bolsheviks had Russian-sounding pseudonyms, because common people didn't really like Jews and they wanted to conceal their identity.
Valentinov - Abramson (Jewish)
Zinoviev - Apfelbaum (Jewish)

what is my name in russian?

[Fortis in Arduis]

A lot of Jewish Bolsheviks had Russian-sounding pseudonyms, because common people didn't really like Jews and they wanted to conceal their identity.
Valentinov - Abramson (Jewish)
Zinoviev - Apfelbaum (Jewish)

Yes it is true. Leon Bronstein becoming Leon Trotsky to sound more Polish. One has to understand that the Tsarist regime was anti-Semitic and so the new Marxist ideas would have appealed so many Jews, or any outsiders, like the Georgian, Stalin, which was not his real name either.

Outsiders often create and lead revolutions.

[Leto]

It's always funny to hear people blame Russians for everything, while in fact many of our leaders weren't ethnic Russians at all. The Romanovs were 50-75% Germanic (German, Danish, English, etc.), Lenin was Eurasian-Jewish (Russian, Jewish and possibly Kalmyk), Trotski was 100% Jewish, Stalin was 100% Georgian, etc. Simple Russians were mostly in fields, at factories, on the fronline or in camps. Of course, I'm a bit generalizing, but it's more or less true. Some people think we were all malicious commies and oppressors.

[Leto]

what is my name in russian?
I didn't get you. Names are not translated into other languages. Джим Кроу (Dzhim Krou).:)

[Leto]

like the Georgian, Stalin, which was not his real name either.
Dzhugashvili.

[Leto]

Yes it is true. Leon Bronstein becoming Leon Trotsky to sound more Polish. One has to understand that the Tsarist regime was anti-Semitic and so the new Marxist ideas would have appealed so many Jews, or any outsiders, like the Georgian, Stalin, which was not his real name either.

Outsiders often create and lead revolutions.
Jews were barred from living in Central Russia and in the capital for quite a long time. They were concentrated in Ukraine and Belarus. Some places there were like 20-30% Jewish before WWII. Yiddish was widely spoken. Now they are all but gone. A poster made by "Whites" (Tsar supporters):
http://rushist.com/images/jewry/trotsky-mir-svoboda-big.jpg
"Peace and freedom in Sovdepia (Soviet Russia)"
It's Leo Trotsky.

[Longbowman]

Jews were barred from living in Central Russia and in the capital for quite a long time. They were concentrated in Ukraine and Belarus. Some places there were like 20-30% Jewish before WWII. Yiddish was widely spoken. Now they are all but gone. A poster made by "Whites" (Tsar supporters):
http://rushist.com/images/jewry/trotsky-mir-svoboda-big.jpg
"Peace and freedom in Sovdepia (Soviet Russia)"
It's Leo Trotsky.

People forget to mention this, but Trotsky was eventually assassinated by Stalin.

Not such a special all-controlling Jewish plot.

[Leto]

People forget to mention this, but Trotsky was eventually assassinated by Stalin.

Not such a special all-controlling Jewish plot.
I don't. You know I am not a fan of the Jewish conspiracy, it's just history. I'm not saying they literally control the universe and stuff. But they were very prominent in Russia in the 20th century. Communism is largely Jewish, 'cause Marx himself was Jewish. Stalin repressed most of those Bolsheviks. Jews didn't have much power after Stalin.

[Longbowman]

I don't. You know I am not a fan of the Jewish conspiracy, it's just history. I'm not saying they literally control the universe and stuff. But they were very prominent in Russia in the 20th century. Communism is largely Jewish, 'cause Marx himself was Jewish. Stalin repressed most of those Bolsheviks. Jews didn't have much power after Stalin.

If you say they were mostly Jewish at the beginning, I believe you, but if so, it certainly wasn't a Jewish conspiracy as much a coincidence. If it was a conspiracy, it wasn't a very good one as they were all killed, as you say. Indeed, the bolsheviks were high-minded but inept. The executions et al didn't start properly til Stalin's era.

Jews are usually overrepresented in politics and such (not to the extent of being a majority, plurality or close to it) perhaps due to their seriously above-average average intelligence.

[Armenian Bishop]

Don't paint yourself as a fair man. You are now calling relatives of mine liars. Not just that, you are calling millions of Jews, Gypsies (why are they lying, again?) Germans, Slavs, British, Soviets, allied and axis, Jew and Gentile, pretty much everyone relevant to the event, liars, just to satisfy your corrupted worldview. You are disgusting, physically and mentally.

The death toll is not even 200,000. Not that it matters.

I appreciate and sympathize with your frustration, about genocide denial behavior of the Jewish Holocaust. Yes, it does serve to insult your ancestors and the many witnesses who compiled anecdotal evidence of genocide. I've seen plenty of that kind of crap, when it comes to Armenian Genocide Denial Behavior -- much of it here at this Forum. Denialism transcends through generations, into our current times, and serves to make current generations of denialist proponents guilty of abetting the crimes of the original perpetrators of genocide.

Genocide Behavior has established patterns that can been classified. With the Armenian Genocide, as with other genocide tragedies, 8 patterns of behavior have been identified: (1) Classification, (2) Symbolization, (3) Dehumanization, (4) Organization, (5) Polarization, (6) Preparation, (7) Extermination, and (8) Denial.

The Eighth Stage of Genocide is Denial: "The refusing of genocidal accusations and blocking of international investigations. The modern Turkish government continues not to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide, and outlaws any accusation or mention of such event."
http://thegreatcrime.weebly.com/stages-of-genocide.html

[Leto]

If you say they were mostly Jewish at the beginning, I believe you, but if so, it certainly wasn't a Jewish conspiracy as much a coincidence. If it was a conspiracy, it wasn't a very good one as they were all killed, as you say. Indeed, the bolsheviks were high-minded but inept. The executions et al didn't start properly til Stalin's era.

Jews are usually overrepresented in politics and such (not to the extent of being a majority, plurality or close to it) perhaps due to their seriously above-average average intelligence.
Well, maybe you're right.