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Lulletje Rozewater
04-06-2010, 08:31 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XyndT-qA-b0/S7mM42L5lHI/AAAAAAAACL8/qHcp6hO8oSM/s400/Zimbabwean_War_Veterans_Robert_Mugabe_thugs_forcin g_white_commercial_farmer_off_his_property.jpg (http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/84250/20444026/3778525/http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XyndT-qA-b0/S7mM42L5lHI/AAAAAAAACL8/qHcp6hO8oSM/s1600/Zimbabwean_War_Veterans_Robert_Mugabe_thugs_forcin g_white_commercial_farmer_off_his_property.jpg)Zim babwean War Veterans and Robert Mugabe's thugs forcing a white commercial farmer off his property

29 March, 2010 11:40:00

HARARE - South Africa’s ruling party ANC is planning Zimbabwean style land invasions after the FIFA 2010 World Cup, amid reports Zimbabwe’s Zanu PF and War Veterans Association will provide crucial support for the programme, sources in Zimbabwe said on Monday.

Controversial African National Congress Youth League (ANCYL) President, Julius Malema, is set to visit Zimbabwe for a series of meetings with Zanu PF counterparts. The crucial meeting will go a long way in exchanging ideas and preparatory stages for both logistics and mobilisation for sporadic land invasions across the country.

A member of the Zanu PF security department told our reporter that the basis of Malema’s visit to Harare is a follow up to a secret discussion between President Mugabe and his South African counterpart Jacob Zuma, three weeks ago.

The source said when South African President Jacob Zuma visited Zimbabwe during the coalition talks between Zanu PF and the MDC, he discussed at length, matters ranging from the British media’s personal attacks on his private life during the recent visit to the United Kingdom and the need to expedite South African land reform.

It is at this stage that Mugabe converted Zuma into his camp, and the two leaders agreed to join hands in actively assisting each other in the land reform and indigenisation process.

This week, a high-level delegation in the South African security forces, intelligence and media with close links to the ruling party ANC are travelling to Zimbabwe and they will spend three months training at the Zimbabwe National Army’s Staff College.

Senior Zimbabwe National army officers who led Zimbabwe’s land invasions will train their South African counterparts and impart knowledge based on their experiences.

A source said, South African land invasion factor is the reason why Zimbabwean President Mugabe has identified Jabulani Sibanda as the prefered choice to lead the Zimbabwe War Veterans Association in the association’s reported power struggles.

Sibanda's speaks Ndebele and this is an important factor in his abilities to communicate with South Africa's ANC land invadors, the source said.
Zanu PF Youth League national secretary for administration Leslie Ncube said Malema was visiting Zimbabwe to discuss and share ideas on "youth empowerment and revolutionary tactics".

"The ANCYL president will be arriving next week. It will be a three-day visit and other executive members of the ANC youth league will accompany him," Ncube said.

The Zanu PF youth official said the ANC and his party have enjoyed cordial relationships that date back to the liberation struggle adding these ties would be further strengthened by Malema’s visit.

"We share the same revolutionary history and they (visiting delegates) are coming to learn from our agrarian reform and indigenisation.

"The ANC is about to expand its land reforms, and we will share advice and discuss how resources should be equitably distributed to the youth and also how they can benefit from natural resources such as mining," Ncube said.

Speaking to South African media, Gugule Nkwinti, the Minister of Rural Development and Land Reform accused white farmers of scuttling the land reform programme by frustrating government’s willing buyer willing seller policy through inflating prices.

He warned South Africa risks sinking into chaos as the patience of new black farmers is running thin as evidenced by sporadic farm invasions.

"If South Africans who own land  don’t recognise the reality on the ground  and can no walk the mind with government in terms of what is proposed right now then in fact they are the ones who will be responsible for creating conditions of chaos which can be worse than what has been witnessed in Zimbabwe," said Nkwinti.

Africa’s economic giant needs R 75 billion to acquire 80 million hectares of land by 2014 but this target will not be reached as national coffers are running dry as a result of a litany of service delivery issues that needs to be addressed such as a long housing back log, water and electricity deliveries to millions of households.

Nkwinti said the South African government is working on a policy aimed at addressing the land inequalities urging farm owners to be more flexible in land redistribution negotiations.

He said the new policy is about preventing going the disastrous way of distributing land like the one witnessed in Zimbabwe where President Robert Mugabe’s government forcibly took land from previous white owners in chaotic scenes that left many dead since the inception of the programme in 2000.

"This about preventing Zimbabwe," said Nkwinti.

He did not elaborate on whether his government will consider amending the constitution to enable it to forcibly take land like what happened in their northern neighbours where the government had to pass legislation to change the constitution allowing it to compulsorily acquire land from white farmers.

Nkwinti said just like in Zimbabwe where about 4000 white farmers owned most of the country’s arable land, land in South Africa is concentrated in the hands of a few land owners, most of whom are foreigners.

"We have a major monopoly of land ownership in South Africa and we must break that monopoly," said Nkwinti.

Nkwinti earlier this month told parliament that the government was adopting a "use it or lose it" policy to encourage increased production capacity but his weekend comments appear to be a shift towards a more radical policy.

Thousands of poor black South Africans, most of whom still live in abject poverty because of the apartheid era system are waiting for land promised at independence in 1994 and often repeated in campaign speeches by current President Jacob Zuma in his quest for political office last year.

Just like Zimbabwe, South Africa inherited an unjust land ownership system from the apartheid governments which parceled out all the best farm land to white farmers, leaving blacks to arid land not fit for agricultural purposes.

The South African government has in the past said it will not go it the Zimbabwe way and often move quickly to crush land related protests and attempts at invading farms owned by white farmers though it has largely been unable to stop farm murders but this time it appears it is starting to feel the people power.

Farm seizures are blamed for plunging Zimbabwe – once a net exporter of the staple maize grain – into severe food shortages since 2001 after black peasant farmers resettled on former white farms failed to maintain production because the government failed to support them with financial resources, inputs and skills training.

Source:The Zimbabwe Mail
http://www.thezimbabwemail.com/zimbabwe/4904.html (http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/84250/20444026/3778525/http://www.thezimbabwemail.com/zimbabwe/4904.html)

The Ripper
04-06-2010, 02:41 PM
How reliable is this information? Seems like the publication is decidedly anti-Mugabe, so I was just wondering.

To me it seems it would be economic suicide to go the road of Zimbabwe, but I guess political suicide is worse for the top, whose power depends on pleasing the mob.

Lulletje Rozewater
04-06-2010, 03:00 PM
How reliable is this information? Seems like the publication is decidedly anti-Mugabe, so I was just wondering.

To me it seems it would be economic suicide to go the road of Zimbabwe, but I guess political suicide is worse for the top, whose power depends on pleasing the mob.

Zimbabwe mail is not really anti Mugabe,they are careful not to be closed down all others are pro-Mugape,in order to survive.

The Ripper
04-06-2010, 03:09 PM
Zimbabwe mail is not really anti Mugabe,they are careful not to be closed down all others are pro-Mugape,in order to survive.

Ok, just the reference to "Mugabe's thugs" said to me that it isn't necessarily that friendly towards his policies.

poiuytrewq0987
04-06-2010, 03:12 PM
This was long time coming.

Lulletje Rozewater
04-06-2010, 03:19 PM
Ok, just the reference to "Mugabe's thugs" said to me that it isn't necessarily that friendly towards his policies.

That was the originator of this article in SA sucks.
It is not in the paper's article

Groenewolf
04-06-2010, 03:43 PM
Well if they do this it does not surprise me they will wait until after the WK.

The Ripper
04-06-2010, 10:38 PM
That was the originator of this article in SA sucks.
It is not in the paper's article

Well it is at least on their website at the zimbabwemail.com, right there under the picture: http://www.thezimbabwemail.com/zimbabwe/4904.html ;)

Lulletje Rozewater
04-07-2010, 06:13 AM
Well it is at least on their website at the zimbabwemail.com, right there under the picture: http://www.thezimbabwemail.com/zimbabwe/4904.html ;)


Regret I went into "Home" looked at the story and you are right.
It surprises me.
Mugabe has closed down the majority of papers who were against him

RoyBatty
04-07-2010, 06:25 AM
How reliable is this information? Seems like the publication is decidedly anti-Mugabe, so I was just wondering.


My feeling is that the information would be very reliable.

Events in SA have been nudging towards this for some time now so Malema's proclamations are not out of character and the reports are not unusual or out of the ordinary. We've been expecting this for some time. There has been plenty of indications that it was only a question of time before this started happening.

The publication probably is anti-Mugabe for a number of reasons. I suspect those reasons are unlikely to be out of sympathy for the white farmers though of course the Newspaper pretends to care. More likely they are anti-Mugabe because he is costing their Zionist friends money through his incompetence. Mugabe has become a liability, even for them.




To me it seems it would be economic suicide to go the road of Zimbabwe, but I guess political suicide is worse for the top, whose power depends on pleasing the mob.


You're making the assumption that these chimpanzees can actually reason and think like humans in other parts of the world. Unfortunately they can't. A glance at publications dealing with the relative IQ's of nations will make it clear that intelligence isn't an attribute in this part of the world.

Therefore they care not what they break and what they do.

The Ripper
04-07-2010, 10:30 AM
I hope the Boere are armed and ready.

poiuytrewq0987
04-07-2010, 10:37 AM
Well it is at least on their website at the zimbabwemail.com, right there under the picture: http://www.thezimbabwemail.com/zimbabwe/4904.html ;)

The disclaimer of that news article is hilarious to read.

Lulletje Rozewater
04-08-2010, 06:17 AM
The disclaimer of that news article is hilarious to read.

DEAR READERS,
Please note, due to the overwhelming response from you on this burning issue, we've decided to suspend the Comments Section from this section of the website and redirect you to the website Forum which can be accessed by clicking below for a better no holds barred banter. Or you can click here to access the Forum. (http://www.thezimbabwemail.com/forum/index.php/board,1.0.html)
Once, again we urge you to refrain from using racist and derogatory remarks for cheap pop shots at your opponents.
You won’t gain anything from calling each other black or white.
The Zimbabwe Mail is a Publication owned by blacks based in Zimbabwe and we strive to report news without fear or favour. We have people on the ground and we have people embedded in the system.
Land Reform
The issue is about land, and how it can be redistributed equitably. In Zimbabwe we have gone through it and we’ve seen and experienced the impact.
Whether it was the right or wrong method, we leave that to others to have their say, but I’m sure future Zimbabwean generations will never ever need another radical land reform.
South Africa
As for South African white commercial farmers, I think they’re blessed in that they have the Zimbabwean situation as a valuable case study.
To them we say, it’s folly to think that the status quo will remain for the foreseeable future, and therefore we urge them to be proactive and educate each other on the way forward.
The way forward is for them to engage and embrace the government reforms and only this can help to circumvent the Zimbabwean violent situation.
Arrogance on their part can only breed loose cannons like Julius Malema. In Zimbabwe we had Chenjerai Hunzvi and all sorts thugs claiming to have died for land.
It is easy for you to call people baboons and Apes hiding behind the keyboard, but when it comes down on you, the devastation is so terrifying and has a massive impact on your lifestyle.
We think South Africa could be worse off compared to Zimbabwe because of the historic crime levels and the guns in the communities.
Threats
As for ANC and Zanu PF supporters writing e mails threatening this editor, we urge you to calm down, grow up or crawl back to the cave where you came from.
We will not flinch or quack in our boots to cheap political gymnastics.
We believe in civilised ways of doing things and we will advocate for that and therefore, no amount of threats will stop us.
We will not allow liberation movements ganging up against other sections of the society who don’t buy into their failed policies.
The Zimbabwe Mail Editor


Good for you,there is a change coming in Zimbabwe

Lulletje Rozewater
04-08-2010, 06:41 AM
Which brings us to the already-mentioned strange messages in the Zimbabwean press. On 29 March the Zimbabwe Mail, an independent online news entity founded in 2007 by the same UK-based businessman, Brighton Musonza, who launched the Geoffrey Nyarota-led Zimbabwe Times, published a story that seemed too bizarre to be credible. “[The] ANC is planning Zimbabwean-style land invasions after the FIFA 2010 World Cup,” it announced in the lead paragraph, “amid reports Zimbabwe’s Zanu-PF and War Veterans Association will provide crucial support for the programme…”

http://www.thedailymaverick.co.za/article/2010-04-07-behind-the-headlines-mugabe-wins-again

Lulletje Rozewater
04-08-2010, 07:05 AM
I hope the Boere are armed and ready.

Not while the police is doing the usual intimidation thread.
The article basically states that the police will hold a battue at farms looking for illegal arms,explosives and defamatory materials.

Woensdag, 07 April 2010 09:03 Praag

PRAAG het so pas van 'n bron binne die Suid-Afrikaanse Polisiediens verneem dat klopjagte op Afrikanerleiers en sogenaamde "regses" uitgevoer gaan word. Huise gaan deursoek word vir onwettige wapens, plofstof en opruiende materiaal. Blykbaar gaan daar selfs voorwerpe geplant word by mense wat as hinderlik vir die regering beskou word.

Volgens ons bron is die polisie bewus van die ontevredenheid en pogings van Afrikanergroepe om te begin mobiliseer ná die moord op Eugene Terre'Blanche en gemoedere wat hoog loop oor geweldsmisdaad, Malema se uitsprake en dreigemente van plaasbesettings deur sowel Malema as die minister van grondsake, Gugile Nkwinti.

Die doel van die polisieklopjagte gaan tweeledig wees:

* om aan die buiteland te demonstreer dat die ANC steeds "in beheer" van die land verkeer en in staat is om enige verset in die kiem te smoor;
* om Afrikaners te intimideer om enige voorbereidings tot verset, opstand of selfverdediging te laat vaar.

Intussen is duisende Afrikaners besig om op te ruk na Ventersdorp om Eugene Terre'Blanche se begrafnis Vrydag om 12.00 by te woon.

Volgens interne e-posberigte gaan die Vryheidsfront Plus 'n amptelike afvaardiging onder leiding van dr. Pieter Mulder na die begrafnis stuur en die provinsiale bestuur van Gauteng sal ook in volle sterkte teenwoordig wees.

Oorsprong:Praag
http://praag.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7723:polisieklopjagte-op-afrikaners-op-pad&catid=36:afrikaanse-nuus&Itemid=401 (http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/84250/20444026/3790909/http://praag.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7723:polisieklopjagte-op-afrikaners-op-pad&catid=36:afrikaanse-nuus&Itemid=401)


Translation as per google (http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/84250/20444026/3790909/http://praag.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7723:polisieklopjagte-op-afrikaners-op-pad&catid=36:afrikaanse-nuus&Itemid=401)


Prague, a source within the South Afrikaans Police learned that klopjagte on Afrikaner and so-regses' will be executed. Houses are searched for illegal weapons, explosives and inflammatory material. Apparently there are even items planted by people as a nuisance for the government is considered.

According to our source, the police are aware of the dissatisfaction and attempts to start Afrikanergroepe mobilize after the murder of Eugene Terre'Blanche and emotions run high on violent crime, Malema's utterances and threats of farm invasions by both Malema as the minister of land affairs, Gugile Nkwinti.

The purpose of the polisieklopjagte will be twofold:

* To foreign countries to demonstrate that the ANC is still in control 'of the land movement and is capable of any resistance in the bud to choke;
* Africans to intimidate any preparations for resistance, rebellion or self-defense altogether.

Meanwhile, thousands of Africans working to snatch to Ventersdorp to Eugene Terre'Blanche's funeral Friday at 12.00 to attend.

According to internal e-posberigte, the Freedom Front Plus an official delegation led by Dr. Pieter Mulder send to the funeral and the provincial administration of Gauteng will be in full strength present.
(http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/84250/20444026/3790909/http://praag.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7723:polisieklopjagte-op-afrikaners-op-pad&catid=36:afrikaanse-nuus&Itemid=401)