Dodecad K10a -- Sicilians, Cretans, and Aegeans are MUCH more "Atlantic-Baltic" than Cypriots!!

[Sikeliot]

What we see is, compared to the Cypriot cluster, with the following averages, Cretans and Sicilians are clearly "European". I am afraid posts in the past of mine gave the wrongful impression that I did not consider these groups to be European, but that I considered them like Cypriots. There is still a noticeable genetic difference to Cyprus, even though all of these are considerably shifted toward Cyprus compared to other Europeans.

I have also posted this in response to a new poster's claims that Crete and Cyprus are genetically identical. Not so.

Cypriots (sample of 11)

West Asian: 36.7
Atlantic-Baltic: 9.6
Red Sea: 7.7
Mediterranean: 45.9

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArAJcY18g2GadC1kRjhxcHNfSGhPYlUxbEI0VVZPR 0E#gid=0

Now, for comparison, here are some results.

Peloponnesian Greek (southern mainland):

West Asian: 23.4
Atlantic-Baltic: 33.5
Red Sea: 3.4
Mediterranean: 39

Clearly, as a mainland Greek, this person is much more northern than the results below it, but it's for point of reference.


Aegean islander (Samos, Chios):

West Asian: 23.5
Atlantic-Baltic: 27.8
Red Sea: 4.7
Mediterranean: 43.1

Atlantic-Baltic is THREE times as high as in the Cypriot, and West Asian is over 12% less. Moreover, they are closer to the Peloponnesians than the Cretans/Sicilians.


Sicilian from Messina:

West Asian: 26.6
Atlantic-Baltic: 18.5
Red Sea: 5
Mediterranean: 47.4

Atlantic-Baltic is TWO times as high as in a Cypriot, and West Asian is 10% less.


Sicilian from Palermo:

West Asian: 24.7
Atlantic-Baltic: 22
Red Sea: 5.7
Mediterranean: 46.5

Atlantic-Baltic is 13% higher than in a Cypriot, with a roughly equal decrease in West Asian.


Cretan Greek:

West Asian: 31
Atlantic-Baltic: 22.3
Red Sea: 5.9
Mediterranean: 40.7

West Asian is 5% lower than the Cypriot, but Atlantic-Baltic is 13% higher!


Calabrese:

West Asian: 30.9
Atlantic-Baltic: 19.6
Red Sea: 5.8
Mediterranean: 42.1

Nearly identical to the Cretan Greek, but SLIGHTLY lower Atlantic-Baltic; still, more European than the Cypriot.

[andyeatspoo]

You seem to be getting abit desperate?

1) By west asian my guess is that you are referring to is neolythic indigenous populations?

2) And by Atlantic Baltic, you mean the combination of R1a and R1b? Why not distinguish the slavic from western? Is it because those "Atlantic Baltic" levels will drop dramatically?

3) Even through using your ambigious information. All it proves is that cyprus has the most native and ancient of all those listed (80%+ indeginous and med). Cyprus was settled 1500 bc, incredibly old.

4) and funny of all, the cypriot sample is 11???

Is that a joke?

Here the sample is 250+
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[Sikeliot]

Again you obsess over fucking haplogroups and not autosomal DNA. Until you have something useful to contribute, go away.

[andyeatspoo]

Again you obsess over fucking haplogroups and not autosomal DNA. Until you have something useful to contribute, go away.

My points weren't addressed.


"atlantic-baltic"? lol. still cant get over that.

The title should read:

Cretans, and Aegeans have MUCH more "Western and Slavic admixture" than Cypriots!!

(excluding siciliy, because they don't feature slavic)



BTW, im not disputing that cypriots are more european, thats impossible, silly and all other information says otherwise.

But are they more ancient and more representative of the region? More likely.