Classify some recent call-ups to the Greek football team

[Tooting Carmen]

Nikos Karabelas
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2012/324x324/101414.jpg

Michalis Bakakis
http://allsportsagrinio.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/bakakis.jpg

Petros Mantalos
http://www.onsports.gr/media/k2/items/cache/b10c0c42cdc10f70e8cce41506f5032e_XL.jpg

Sokratis Dioudis
http://clubbrugge.be/uploads/media/kunstmaan_media_image/54242172aaf2e.jpg

Giannis Skondras (at last, a blonde in the Greek team)
http://headbandsandheartbreak.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/giannis-skondras4.jpg

Dimitris Diamantakos
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/24/2012/324x324/250007285.jpg

[Sakis]

Atlanto-Med
Borreby-Pontid?
Karagounoid
North Pontid
Nordid
Pontid-CM

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyone else?

[Sakis]

By the way Skondras is a good example of a depigmented Greek.

[Tooting Carmen]

By the way Skondras is a good example of a depigmented Greek.

He's the only blonde in the team, from what I can tell, even though light brown hair is reasonably common. The only other Europeans who are as dark-haired as Greeks are probably the Portuguese.

[Faklon]

Dinaro-med
Atlanto-med
Asiatic Alpine
Mixed Alpine
http://myplayer.gr/photos/77535e3d475caea554658904633bd51e_L.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SK_hj8Bt2Uw/UAKHzrdLbuI/AAAAAAAAi8Q/g2vA_sr78mE/s1600/%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%8D%CE%B4%CE%B7%CF%82+%CF%83% CF%89%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82.jpg
kind of Dinaromorphic Nordid but not exactly Keltic
Dinaromorphic Med or Atlanto-med

[Sakis]

He's the only blonde in the team, from what I can tell, even though light brown hair is reasonably common. The only other Europeans who are as dark-haired as Greeks are probably the Portuguese.

The Spanish and the Italian team are not any lighter.

[Sikeliot]

Cromagnid-Pontid
AtlantoMed-Alpine
Mtebid (this is the Georgian sort of look I associate with Pontians even if he is not one)
Balkan Borreby-North Pontid
East Nordid
Atlantid-North Pontid

Most of these, minus the one I classify as Mtebid, look like they could pass in many places in Europe, including Iberia, France, Italy and nearly all of the Balkans.

[Tooting Carmen]

The Spanish and the Italian team are not any lighter.

Look carefully, and you'd see they are (a bit). Here is a collection of light-pigmented Spanish footballers. Believe me, it would be rather less easy to make an equivalent thread about Greek footballers. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?137957-Classify-these-relatively-light-Spanish-footballers-and-where-can-they-pass

[Sikeliot]

These Greeks are mostly dark pigmented but their facial traits look European, and less exotic than the Portuguese team.

[Tooting Carmen]

These Greeks are mostly dark pigmented but their facial traits look European, and less exotic than the Portuguese team.

While I certainly don't agree with Anthropologique's claim that most if not all the exotic Portuguese are of foreign descent, it is quite clear that some are blatantly mixed-race, such as Silvio and Ricardo Costa, even though their specific ancestries are not publicly known. By contrast, the Greek team is one of the most ethnically homogeneous teams in Europe - not even one Black player, for a start.

[Sakis]

Look carefully, and you'd see they are (a bit). Here is a collection of light-pigmented Spanish footballers. Believe me, it would be rather less easy to make an equivalent thread about Greek footballers. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?137957-Classify-these-relatively-light-Spanish-footballers-and-where-can-they-pass

I am talking about the current squads.

http://www.hdwallpapersnew.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Spain-World-Cup-2014-Wallpaper-6.jpg

http://www.allhdphotos.com/pictures/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/2014-05-Italy-Football-World-Cup-2014-HD-Wallpaper-01-1.jpg

http://www.foxsports.com/content/dam/fsdigital/fscom/Soccer/images/2014/05/20/GreecePreview/052014-soccer-Greece-preview-gallery-1.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Most of all three of those teams could be easily interchanged and no one would notice.

[Tooting Carmen]

I am talking about the current squads.

http://www.hdwallpapersnew.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Spain-World-Cup-2014-Wallpaper-6.jpg

http://www.allhdphotos.com/pictures/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/2014-05-Italy-Football-World-Cup-2014-HD-Wallpaper-01-1.jpg

http://www.foxsports.com/content/dam/fsdigital/fscom/Soccer/images/2014/05/20/GreecePreview/052014-soccer-Greece-preview-gallery-1.jpg

I'm not saying that the differences between Southern Europeans are enormous (they're not), but I don't see any Greek team members as light as Gerard Pique or Ignazio Abate. Btw, Xavi Hernandez and David Villa have retired from international football now.

[Sikeliot]

The Spanish team actually looks more Greek than the Italian, probably because most of the Italian team isn't southerners. All three look more similar than any of them look to non-Europeans or northerners.

[Tooting Carmen]

The Spanish team actually looks more Greek than the Italian, probably because most of the Italian team isn't southerners. All three look more similar than any of them look to non-Europeans or northerners.

In general you're right, although remember that Abate is from Naples.:)

[Sikeliot]

In general you're right, although remember that Abate is from Naples.:)

He doesn't look North Euro despite his coloring, but actually looks like a light Albanian. Anyway if the Italian team was all southerners they'd be just as dark.

A local Sicilian soccer team, I think from Catania:

http://oi49.tinypic.com/1y1iex.jpg

[Faklon]

Ligthing and tanning can change perceptions in these pictures,anyway.

[Tooting Carmen]

Ligthing and tanning can change perceptions in these pictures,anyway.

To an extent, although I think we can get the gist of it one way or another. Anyway, I wasn't implying that Spaniards and Italians are dramatically lighter than Greeks, but they do seem to have a higher proportion of people with light hair, light eyes and Northern Euro facial features than do Greeks.

[Sakis]

I'm not saying that the differences between Southern Europeans are enormous (they're not), but I don't see any Greek team members as light as Gerard Pique or Ignazio Abate. Btw, Xavi Hernandez and David Villa have retired from international football now.

Well we have Skondras now and this is our second goalkeeper :)

http://www.newsbeast.gr/files/1/2010/08/20/tzorvas_1282318328659.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Anyway, I wasn't implying that Spaniards and Italians are dramatically lighter than Greeks, but they do seem to have a higher proportion of people with light hair, light eyes and Northern Euro facial features than do Greeks.

Funny because genetically, North Euro influence is lower even in Campania than on mainland Greece.

[Faklon]

To an extent, although I think we can get the gist of it one way or another. Anyway, I wasn't implying that Spaniards and Italians are dramatically lighter than Greeks, but they do seem to have a higher proportion of people with light hair, light eyes and Northern Euro facial features than do Greeks.

This must be tested anthropologically,dig up the new team and you may get some lighter people than this one.Doesn't say much.

According to the anthropological sources I have seen,Italy is distinctly lighter in the North.
Rest don't differ much.

[Tooting Carmen]

Well we have Skondras now and this is our second goalkeeper :)

http://www.newsbeast.gr/files/1/2010/08/20/tzorvas_1282318328659.jpg

Still not as light as Gerard Pique or Ignazio Abate.;)
http://www.mynuvotv.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/gerard-pique-soccer-hottie.jpghttp://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ignazio+Abate+Czech+Republic+v+Italy+H5JrOmuYpG9l. jpg

[Sikeliot]

He is lighter than Gerard Pique ^

[mikhail]

No offence but they look nothing like ancient Greeks.

[Tooting Carmen]

Memo to Sikeliot, Faklon et al: most of Italy is not like Campania southwards; moreover, the biggest cities are overwhelmingly in the North of the country, thus it is far more populous than the South.

[Sikeliot]

Memo to Sikeliot, Faklon et al: most of Italy is not like Campania southwards; moreover, the biggest cities are overwhelmingly in the North of the country, thus it is far more populous than the South.

Then specify which regions you mean., because otherwise it is a blanket statement that is somewhat inaccurate.

[Tooting Carmen]

Then specify which regions you mean., because otherwise it is a blanket statement that is somewhat inaccurate.

Anywhere from Rome northwards is significantly more Northern Euro-influenced than Greece.

[Sakis]

Still not as light as Gerard Pique or Ignazio Abate.;)
http://www.mynuvotv.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/gerard-pique-soccer-hottie.jpghttp://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ignazio+Abate+Czech+Republic+v+Italy+H5JrOmuYpG9l. jpg

Pique is not lighter and Skondras is as light as Abate.

[Sikeliot]

Anywhere from Rome northwards is significantly more Northern Euro-influenced than Greece.

Then which region of Italy is the most comparable in terms of northern ancestry and appearance to Greece? Because Calabria and Sicily have even less. So there has to be SOME region where it is the same.

[Tooting Carmen]

Then which region of Italy is the most comparable in terms of northern ancestry and appearance to Greece? Because Calabria and Sicily have even less. So there has to be SOME region where it is the same.

Like I said the other day, possibly Abruzzo/Molise for the mainland, and places further South for the islands.

[Sikeliot]

Like I said the other day, possibly Abruzzo/Molise for the mainland, and places further South for the islands.

Abruzzo and Molise are close to Lazio.

I think it'd just be better for you to specify northern and southern Italy, otherwise I'll just get angry and thumbs you down when you don't, because it drives me nuts when you say "Italy" but mean the north.

[Faklon]

Still not as light as Gerard Pique or Ignazio Abate.;)
http://www.mynuvotv.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/gerard-pique-soccer-hottie.jpghttp://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ignazio+Abate+Czech+Republic+v+Italy+H5JrOmuYpG9l. jpg

Post this picture of Pique and you think he has jet black hair.
http://famousface.us/wp-content/gallery/gerard-pique/gerard-pique-15.jpg


Don't try to build conflicts into some light this light that fest.

But I have to give it to you Kylie,in ancient Rome you could run the colosseum.

[Sakis]

Then which region of Italy is the most comparable in terms of northern ancestry and appearance to Greece? Because Calabria and Sicily have even less. So there has to be SOME region where it is the same.

Northern influence is not linked with blondism,Coon found the Cretans lighter than the other Greeks and they have less northern euro.

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyway, let us go back to classifying the footballers in the OP please. I see one who looks Anatolian/Caucasian, one who looks Russian, while the rest are a composite of Mediterranean and Balkan types.

[Faklon]

No offence but they look nothing like ancient Greeks.

It depends with what you comparing I guess.
Bearded statues,reconstructions,anthropological studies?
But I think there is at least some resemblance by doing the simple comparisons.

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/images/alexander_athens2.jpg

http://www.agrinioculture.gr/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/%CE%9C%CE%B9%CF%87%CE%AC%CE%BB%CE%B7%CF%82-%CE%9C%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%AC%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82-copy.jpg

or

http://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/132.jpg

http://www.super-fm.gr/img/images/diamantakos0.jpg

Point of view plays some part.

[mikhail]

It depends with what you comparing I guess.
Bearded statues,reconstructions,anthropological studies?
But I think there is at least some resemblance by doing the simple comparisons.

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/images/alexander_athens2.jpg

http://www.agrinioculture.gr/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/%CE%9C%CE%B9%CF%87%CE%AC%CE%BB%CE%B7%CF%82-%CE%9C%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%AC%CE%BA%CE%B7%CF%82-copy.jpg

or

http://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/132.jpg

http://www.super-fm.gr/img/images/diamantakos0.jpg

Point of view plays some part.

Well, maybe some resemble depictions in statues or paintings of ancient Greeks.

[Tooting Carmen]

Another one: Christos Tasoulis
http://www.fussball-vorort.de/pictures/type/max250_321/uuid/be4b6bb2-835b-4c92-981d-0f1f718269bc/lastChange/1359444075000/mime/jpg

[Peter Nirsch]

they look like Slavic/Romanian/Bulgarians

Greeks don't look like Sicilian IMHO.

[Tooting Carmen]

they look like Slavic/Romanian/Bulgarians

Greeks don't look like Sicilian IMHO.

By coincidence this particular sample may not, but I could show you lots of others who do.

[Queen B]

Most of all three of those teams could be easily interchanged and no one would notice.
Wrong. None of the Spanish players could pass here. Half of Italy could pass (5.19.1.8.21)

[Tooting Carmen]

Wrong. None of the Spanish players could pass here.

Why not?

[Queen B]

Why not?
Because their feautures aren't common in Greece.

[Sikeliot]

Queen B is very picky about who passes in Greece, she doesn't even think I pass.

[Queen B]

Queen B is very picky about who passes in Greece, she doesn't even think I pass.
It's called observant.

And since I'm also very good at guessing which is Greek and which is not, I think I do have a reason to my sayings.

[Tooting Carmen]

Three more:

Dimitris Kolovos
http://data.gavros.gr/storage/images/w_600px/93aa8_999540.jpg

Thanasis Dinas
http://www.pamesports.gr/thumbnail?filepath=/contentfiles/superleague/panathinaikos/ntinas%2017-02-13.jpg&width=620&height=446

Christos Tasoulis
http://www.fussball-vorort.de/pictures/type/max250_321/uuid/be4b6bb2-835b-4c92-981d-0f1f718269bc/lastChange/1359444075000/mime/jpg

[Sikeliot]

^^

Turanid (if he was Mexican we'd all say harnizo)
AtlantoMed/Pontid/Dinarid
Dinaro-Med

[Casandrinos]

Kolovos is a gypsy obviously

[Tooting Carmen]

Kolovos is a gypsy obviously

Evidence? Anyway, how'd you classify him and the others, both in the OP and the ones I've just posted?

[Casandrinos]

Evidence? Anyway, how'd you classify him and the others, both in the OP and the ones I've just posted?

No evidence needed . it's clear as day.

I classify him as a gypoid. The others fall on atlantopontid alpine dinaric (and Noric) range

[Tooting Carmen]

bump

[Tooting Carmen]

More call-ups:

Markos Vellidis
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2011/324x324/73880.jpg

Tasos Lagos
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/250004973.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Giannis Gianniotas
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/24/2012/324x324/250013061.jpg

Apostolos Giannou
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2014/324x324/250000091.jpg

[Milivoje]

Whiter and more northern than Spanish

[Sikeliot]

^^ Balkan looking guys but they can pass in Western Europe also.

[Tooting Carmen]

Dimitris Kolovos again
http://www.pamesports.gr/contentfiles/ethnikiomada/Greece%20U20%20WC%20squad/Kolovos.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Dimitris Kolovos again
http://www.pamesports.gr/contentfiles/ethnikiomada/Greece%20U20%20WC%20squad/Kolovos.jpg


He looks part Asian, like legitimately Mongoloid influenced.

[Hithaeglir]

1.Dinaric-Med.
2.Alpinized Atlanto-Med.
3.Dinaro-Med.
4.Atlanto-Pontid
5.Norid
6.Dinaro-Med.

[Odin]

1. Dinaro-Med.
2. Pontic-Med + Alpine.
3. Taurid.
4. Pontid.
5. Noric.
6. Dinaro-Pontid.

[♥ Lily ♥]

1. Dinaro-Med.
2. Pontic-Med + Alpine.
3. Taurid.
4. Pontid.
5. Noric.
6. Dinaro-Pontid.