Protest in Romania against Ponta,socialism and communism

[Vlach]

Came from protest from Timișoara

http://cdn1.tion.ro/2014/11/10368272_980423018638109_239720100885214153_n.jpg

[Vlach]

Live from Cluj-Napoca

http://live.gandul.info/

[Shkembe Chorba]

Good luck with the protest. Keep attending.

[Vlach]

Sibiu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEGHEQZ9pn0

[Vlach]

Incredible propaganda against protests.

http://www.romaniatv.net/violenta-extrema-la-mitingurile-planuite-de-iohannis_182540.html

[mikhail]

That makes no sense, Romania has no socialism or communism in their government policy, are these people brain dead, or do they not have anything better to do than protest over a non-existent problem?

[Vlach]

That makes no sense, Romania has no socialism or communism in their government policy, are these people brain dead, or do they not have anything better to do than protest over a non-existent problem?

We dont have socialism? :lol:

And nowadays socialists are ex communists and use neo-communism policy.

[mikhail]

We dont have socialism? :lol:

And nowadays socialists are ex communists and use neo-communism policy.

Neo-communist policy? Free healthcare and subsidized education is a bad thing? Since when?

[Vlach]

Neo-communist policy? Free healthcare and subsidized education is a bad thing? Since when?

Brainwashing by media and voting fraud?

http://www.romaniatv.net/violenta-extrema-la-mitingurile-planuite-de-iohannis_182540.html

[Instinct]

What they protest? Romania is already a liberal country.

[Vlach]

http://s1.ziareromania.ro/?mmid=a361f1b7de91847101

[Vlach]

What they protest? Romania is already a liberal country.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/thousands-of-romanians-locked-outside-london-embassy-denied-their-right-to-vote-9834568.html

[mikhail]

Brainwashing by media and voting fraud?

What are you being brainwashed into believing? That it is good for every romanian to be treated as an equal and receive free healthcare and subsidized education? That is a good thing, strong social system is a great thing, pensions need to be increased, retirement age needs to be a lower number, and all companies must belong to the state so that foreign Western European filth cannot steal money from Romania and make it even more poor.

I wish Bulgarian Socialist Party was still neo-communist, but now they are useless and pro-Western :(

Also democracy is only beneficial for minorities to get representation in the government which minorities do not deserve.

[Ars Moriendi]

More protests pl0x.

[Vlach]

What are you being brainwashed into believing? That it is good for every romanian to be treated as an equal and receive free healthcare and subsidized education? That is a good thing, strong social system is a great thing, pensions need to be increased, retirement age needs to be a lower number, and all companies must belong to the state so that foreign Western European filth cannot steal money from Romania and make it even more poor.

I wish Bulgarian Socialist Party was still neo-communist, but now they are useless and pro-Western :(

Also democracy is only beneficial for minorities to get representation in the government which minorities do not deserve.

I dont care what you think about. Romania was and will be forever anti communists. And you dont know nothing about nowaday socialists from Romania, a lot of them are in jail and if they will have the president and the government they will add a law to get them out from jail.
There's are too many to explain about this. How they lie and laugh about us, they think that they can do whatever they wanna.

[Zmey Gorynych]

If the incompetent commie gypsy dick somehow wins he'll get burned at the stake. The socialists think they can defraud the elections ... well, they have another thing coming. Burn them all commie dicks!


Incredible propaganda against protests.

http://www.romaniatv.net/violenta-extrema-la-mitingurile-planuite-de-iohannis_182540.html
Romania TV is the Socialist Party's devoted barking dog.

[mikhail]

I dont care what you think about. Romania was and will be forever anti communists. And you dont know nothing about nowaday socialists from Romania, a lot of them are in jail and if they will have the president and the government they will add a law to get them out from jail.
There's are too many to explain about this. How they lie and laugh about us, they think that they can do whatever they wanna.

It's okay, I understand, you want your children to die of the flue because they have no health care and you want gypsies to get representation in the parliament. You also want Romania to become property of Western Europe because you are selling all of your companies to Western European individuals and businesses, instead of keeping the companies state owned so that they belong to the people of Romania.

Also, isn't it funny that the Soviet Union gave you back all of your land after ww2 which Germany made you give to Hungary, and yet you spoiled hypocrites still dislike the Russians for absolutely no reason whatsoever?

[Zmey Gorynych]

It's okay, I understand, you want your children to die of the flue because they have no health care and you want gypsies to get representation in the parliament. You also want Romania to become property of Western Europe because you are selling all of your companies to Western European individuals and businesses, instead of keeping the companies state owned so that they belong to the people of Romania.

Also, isn't it funny that the Soviet Union gave you back all of your land after ww2 which Germany made you give to Hungary, and yet you spoiled hypocrites still dislike the Russians for absolutely no reason whatsoever?
If you want socialism/communism, build it in Bulgaria. Now fuck off.

[mikhail]

If you want socialism/communism, build it in Bulgaria. Now fuck off.

Don't arrest me internet police :cry

[Instinct]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/thousands-of-romanians-locked-outside-london-embassy-denied-their-right-to-vote-9834568.html

So, what is related to communism or socialism by this?

[Shkembe Chorba]

Neo-communist policy? Free healthcare and subsidized education is a bad thing? Since when?

Free healthcare doesnt equals neo-communism and neo-communism doesnt equals free healthcare.

[Vlach]

So, what is related to communism or socialism by this?

Dude, this idiots are socialists with ex communists roots. Wtf you wanna from us because we hate this liar idiots?

[Minesweeper]

Lame, why don't you protest against imported liberal democracy?

[Vlach]

Lame, why don't you protest against imported liberal democracy?

IF YOU DONT FUCKING KNOW WTF THIS SOCIALIST IDIOTS ARE DOING IN ROMANIA WHY YOU TALK ABOUT IT. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE COMMUNISTS ?
And we prefer the right wing not some populist socialists liars.

[Minesweeper]

IF YOU DONT FUCKING KNOW WTF THIS SOCIALIST IDIOTS ARE DOING IN ROMANIA WHY YOU TALK ABOUT IT. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE COMMUNISTS ?
And we prefer the right wing not some populist socialists liars.

I think you have no idea what socialism is at first place. What sort of non-populist right-wing policies you want, tell me?

[Vlach]

I think you have no idea what socialism is at first place. What sort of non-populist right-wing policies you want, tell me?

Explain me what socialism is? Socialism isnt future, just brainwashed ex communists still trust in it. A stupid populist ideology where the young people need to pay high tax for old people pensions and lazy people welfare, so the socialists will get votes from them.
Give me a example of a socialist/communist country where the quality of life is good.

[Minesweeper]

Explain me what socialism is? Socialism isnt future, just brainwashed ex communists still trust in it. A stupid populist ideology where the young people need to pay high tax for old people pensions and lazy people welfare, so the socialists will get votes from them.
Give me a example of a socialist/communist country where the quality of life is good.

Socialism is umbrella term. Social-democracy is socialism too and you make socialism equal with communism which is extreme form of it. Now go check what European countries have social-democratic parties in power. Check in Northern Europe.

What is the ruling coalition in your city?

[mikhail]

Free healthcare doesnt equals neo-communism and neo-communism doesnt equals free healthcare.

Such is the case, but the person who started this thread clearly establishes an anti-socialist stance, and if this were his stance he would be against tax-funded state provided healthcare, a staunchly socialist feature of governance.

[Vlach]

Socialism is umbrella term. Social-democracy is socialism too and you make socialism equal with communism which is extreme form of it. Now go check what European countries have social-democratic parties in power. Check in Northern Europe.

What is the ruling coalition in your city?

In every european country, only the poor zones vote for socialists. In France - South France, Romania-South-East, Poland-East. And you dont know nothing about politics in Romania. Nowadays socialists from Romania are ex communists thieves, many of them are in jail and they hope that Ponta will be president so they can be free. Ponta is anti democracy anti justice, using important romanians names for disgusting propaganda, using populist disgusting propaganda. Is impossible to describe every-thing what this parasite have done, I need half of hour to write here.

[Vlach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gE5WVpwN0Q

[Vlach]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/17/romania-eu-report-constitution-abuse

[mikhail]

Explain me what socialism is? Socialism isnt future, just brainwashed ex communists still trust in it. A stupid populist ideology where the young people need to pay high tax for old people pensions and lazy people welfare, so the socialists will get votes from them.
Give me a example of a socialist/communist country where the quality of life is good.

You don't want the old to have pensions? You don't want Romanians to have the right to the basic messes sites of living for free? Wow, Romanians are self destructive.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Socialism is umbrella term. Social-democracy is socialism too and you make socialism equal with communism which is extreme form of it. Now go check what European countries have social-democratic parties in power. Check in Northern Europe.

What is the ruling coalition in your city?
Healthy european socialism is good and every country needs a strong left which will alternate power with the right, after all this is one of the fundamental principles of democracy. The problem with romanian socialism is that it does not follow the european model, being a hybrid which I would call semi-asian with alarming communistic undertones.

The Socialist Party of Romania was built on the back of the former Communist Party and it is still ruled by Ceausescu's eternal contender - Ion Iliescu (the first president of Romania) who's sympathy for communism and Russia never changed. In the 1996 elections (7 years after 1989) he addressed the people with the term "comrades" (goes to show that he may have changed his political colour but never his ways). Among other things he's responsible for the fail of the proposed union between Romania and Moldova which he strongly opposed. In other words he always undermined the romanian national interest.

He was the architect of the mineriads, the so-called uprising of the miners, who beaten, raped and killed studends in Bucharest for participating in anti-communistic rallies. There were 5 of them (5 mineriads) everytime to break young people's necks for their beliefs.

Miron Cozma (the leader of the mineriads) was found guilty and sentenced to prison in 1999 (during Constantinenscu's presidency). In 2004 at the end of Iliescu's 3rd term he pardoned Cozma (the commie fart returned the favour).

At the end of the day it is not really about policy or political orientation but competence and justice. The socialist party gave Romania a prime-minister (Adrian Nastase, prime-minister from 2000 to 2004) who was eventually sentenced to jail for corruption. Numerous lesser members of the Socialist Party have been sentenced to jail for corruption. The current candidate from the Socialist Party has been accused of plagiarism. Furthermore he lied about a doctorate which he "acquired" at a University in Catania (hence the ironic nickname "dottore") :D It has been established that the government (he's the prime-minister in case you didn't knew) doesn't have even a draft of the budget for 2015. The budget should've been in the parliament on the 15th of november. I wont go into the endless blunders of the Ponta government. The man is an utter incompetent moron, and this is the problem with the Socialist Party that it has no standards whatsoever, not for professionalism and not for honesty.

If they win these elections they will have total power (parliament, government, presidency) like they had in 2000-2004 and this is obviously not healthy for democracy.

Velaxa may not be very coherent in his posts but he knows the situation in Romania, you do not (and by you I don't mean specifically you Minesweeper but all those that jumped on him for being an anti-socialist).

[Vlach]

Healthy european socialism is good and every country needs a strong left which will alternate power with the right, after all this is one of the fundamental principles of democracy. The problem with romanian socialism is that it does not follow the european model, being a hybrid which I would call semi-asian with alarming communistic undertones.

The Socialist Party of Romania was built on the back of the former Communist Party and it is still ruled by Ceausescu's eternal contender - Ion Iliescu (the first president of Romania) who's sympathy for communism and Russia never changed. In the 1996 elections (7 years after 1989) he addressed the people with the term "comrades" (goes to show that he may have changed his political colour but never his ways). Among other things he's responsible for the fail of the proposed union between Romania and Moldova which he strongly opposed. In other words he always undermined the romanian national interest.

He was the architect of the mineriads, the so-called uprising of the miners, who beaten, raped and killed studends in Bucharest for participating in anti-communistic rallies. There were 5 of them (5 mineriads) everytime to break young people's necks for their beliefs.

Miron Cozma (the leader of the mineriads) was found guilty and sentenced to prison in 1999 (during Constantinenscu's presidency). In 2004 at the end of Iliescu's 3rd term he pardoned Cozma (the commie fart returned the favour).

At the end of the day it is not really about policy or political orientation but competence and justice. The socialist party gave Romania a prime-minister (Adrian Nastase, prime-minister from 2000 to 2004) who was eventually sentenced to jail for corruption. Numerous lesser members of the Socialist Party have been sentenced to jail for corruption. The current candidate from the Socialist Party has been accused of plagiarism. Furthermore he lied about a doctorate which he "acquired" at a University in Catania (hence the ironic nickname "dottore") :D It has been established that the government (he's the prime-minister in case you didn't knew) doesn't have even a draft of the budget for 2015. The budget should've been in the parliament on the 15th of november. I wont go into the endless blunders of the Ponta government. The man is an utter incompetent moron, and this is the problem with the Socialist Party that it has no standards whatsoever, not for professionalism and not for honesty.

If they win these elections they will have total power (parliament, government, presidency) like they had in 2000-2004 and this is obviously not healthy for democracy.

Velaxa may not be very coherent in his posts but he knows the situation in Romania, you do not (and by you I don't mean specifically you Minesweeper but all those that jumped on him for being an anti-socialist).

You explained what I said in details :lol: I talked about it when I was tired and while I played Dota 2.

[Vlach]

Such is the case, but the person who started this thread clearly establishes an anti-socialist stance, and if this were his stance he would be against tax-funded state provided healthcare, a staunchly socialist feature of governance.

You give higher penssion when you can. Nowadays, Romania is in recession
http://business-review.eu/featured/romania-reenters-technical-recession-biggest-q2-gdp-contraction-in-eu-68587

[Zmey Gorynych]

Also, isn't it funny that the Soviet Union gave you back all of your land after ww2 which Germany made you give to Hungary, and yet you spoiled hypocrites still dislike the Russians for absolutely no reason whatsoever?
The Soviet Union is partly responsible for the start of WWII and by annexing Bessarabia they forced Romania to take the Axis' side in WWII. Before that Romania was poised to join the Allies. After the war the russians once more took Bessarabia from Romania so they did us no favours.

You and Baba Vanga can suck russian commie dick as much as you like but leave Romania alone.

[Vlach]

"It feels like 1989 all over again. Thousands protesting all over Romania in solidarity with the Romanians abroad who were denied their constitutional right to vote in the Round 1 of the Presidential Elections last Sunday. The Government is controlled by Presidential candidate & Prime Minister Victor Ponta, which also happens to control in large the voting procedures. Basically they're stealing the people's votes and they're not even trying to hide it. The second and final Round of the Presidential Elections will be held on Nov 16th. I urge all my Romanian friends to go out and vote!! Stop this piece of trash from getting control of our home country!!"

[palmyra08]

Interesting how 25 years have come full circle. The victory of comrade Ponta will reverse, according to his own self-confessed clear plans, all the anticorruption measures achieved so far, will give amnesty to hundreds of jailed political figures (convicted for corruption), and with his control over the press, basic freedoms, he makes the ghost of Ceausescu quite visible...
On just the corruption front, he is on route, as he eloquently demonstrated as a prime minister, of turning Romania into Zimbabwe 2.0.
What is even more painful, is how some diaspora have seen this and painfully exactly predicted it... http://goo.gl/PnB0xs

[palmyra08]

It misses the point by a few lightyears... This is not about political colour, nor a few hundreds who could not vote.
Ponta, who during his premiership managed to ruin every economic and financial indicator, and elevated corruption to the highest level in the EU (his "results" won the 2013 OCCRP "prize" for corruption), has a self-confessed clear plan to reverse previous anti-corruption decisions, legislations and results. One of his first intended action is to give amnesty to hundreds of convicted politicians and public figures, who have been put in jail for corruption.
On this specific aspect, he ensured that out of the ~4 million Romanians living abroad, only some tens of thousands could vote - everywhere the Embassies have been either closed for vote, or intentionally sabotaged the process (e.g. in Belgium, they, contrary to all previous elections' common practice, only one voting box was provided... In London, after 7 hours of waiting, they turned people away and closed the offices, etc.).
It's a pity that press doesn't look a bit behing the surface... this candidate has a concrete plan to kill off the judiciary's independence and DNA's (the anti-corruption department) so far achieved commendable results...
So this is far from something centred on purely a socialist vs. right-wing political orientation and such subtleties... what we have to realise, this is not about such civilised matters that we are used to in the "West".
This is the Balkans and ex-communist key figures are re-instating as much as possible power as they can get away with under the lens of the EU.

[mikhail]

The Soviet Union is partly responsible for the start of WWII and by annexing Bessarabia they forced Romania to take the Axis' side in WWII. Before that Romania was poised to join the Allies. After the war the russians once more took Bessarabia from Romania so they did us no favours.

You and Baba Vanga can suck russian commie dick as much as you like but leave Romania alone.

If Romania hadn't joined the allies, your partitioning would have been far worse. You don't have to throw cheap insults to show your insecurity in your own arguments.

[ЛыSSый]

Maidan, to be continued... in romania now)))

[ЛыSSый]

That makes no sense, Romania has no socialism or communism in their government policy, are these people brain dead, or do they not have anything better to do than protest over a non-existent problem? you understand nothing. Romanian fear commies as a hell in a reason that commies were only one power which forced all romanian crowd (even gypsies) to work. Ugly commies!

[mikhail]

The "evils" of communism in Romania: Romania gets land back from Hungary which Germany made Romania give away, everyone in Romania has to work, even the gypsies, high pensions, free healthcare, subsidized education and housing, etc...


Oh, the horror!

[ЛыSSый]

The "evils" of communism in Romania: ... everyone in Romania has to work, even the gypsies...


Oh, the horror! it was a humanless time. how working day by day instead dansing, beggaring and drinking vodka?

[Vlach]

you understand nothing. Romanian fear commies as a hell in a reason that commies were only one power which forced all romanian crowd (even gypsies) to work. Ugly commies!

If you like communism that much, why you dont make protests in Russia to have it again? And everyone worked for free. This is slavery, I understand that you like to be a slave, but we are not like you. ;)

[ЛыSSый]

If you like communism that much, why you dont make protests in Russia to have it again? And everyone worked for free. This is slavery, I understand that you like to be a slave, but we are not like you. ;)nonono, i clearly agree with you: communism was so bad thing, so even thru 20 years romanians must organise different parties against it. It's really humanless doings to force romanians to work. Also wish you to create an ecellent maidan.

[Vlach]

nonono, i clearly agree with you: communism was so bad thing, so even thru 20 years romanians must organise different parties against it. It's really humanless doings to force romanians to work. Also wish you to create an ecellent maidan.

I dont understand you. And there's will be a maidan only if this clown will become our president.

[Zmey Gorynych]

If Romania hadn't joined the allies, your partitioning would have been far worse. You don't have to throw cheap insults to show your insecurity in your own arguments.
I see you like to talk of gypsies a lot. Funny because your mentality is exactly one of a gypsy. Being thankful to receive free healthcare, free housing, free everything. Suggesting to others that they should be thankful because their country didn't lose more land. You're the type that's happy to get by with whatever the almighty commie lord has thrown his way, you're a freeloader. In a way socialists are the gypsies of the political spectrum. Congratulations.

I'm not going to waste my politeness on someone who doesn't seem to have more than two neurons in his head. If you want to see me being civil read my reply to Minesweeper.

[mikhail]

I see you like to talk of gypsies a lot. Funny because your mentality is exactly one of a gypsy. Being thankful to receive free healthcare, free housing, free everything. Suggesting to others that they should be thankful because their country didn't lose more land. You're the type that's happy to get by with whatever the almighty commie lord has thrown his way, you're a freeloader. In a way socialists are the gypsies of the political spectrum. Congratulations.

I'm not going to waste my politeness on someone who doesn't seem to have more than two neurons in his head. If you want to see me being civil read my reply to Minesweeper.

Isn't it a no brainer to be happy that your country wasn't further partitioned? In reality, it is you who is the gypsy, because all these luxuries, free healthcare, subsidized education, more land being given to you, still isn't enough for you, and so you complain more and more so that your Western European faggot masters will like you better, thinking that someone owes you something better than heaven.

You side only with countries that clearly hate you, I mean, the British probably think Romanians are only good for cheap prostitution, but you still love the West more than the country which actually helped you, Russia. I mean, we all know that the reason you wanted to open the borders was so that you could flock to Western Europe to get some welfare anyway.

[blogen]

If somebody not understand: commie = ex and present securitate and military. Basically the elite of the Romanian state, the real power in Romania. Because of this is the Arab spring light in Romania. Clear nearestern situation, the rebellion against the military-intelligence caste, which caste rule most of the oriental states from the Balkan to the Middle East.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Isn't it a no brainer to be happy that your country wasn't further partitioned? In reality, it is you who is the gypsy, because all these luxuries, free healthcare, subsidized education, more land being given to you, still isn't enough for you, and so you complain more and more so that your Western European faggot masters will like you better, thinking that someone owes you something better than heaven
No Mishanya, being thankful for crumbs is being a gypsy and that's what you are. You speak of free healthcare, first of all you need hospitals and those don't get build by stupid socialists (at least not in Romania). I have no masters and no inferiority complexes which you obviously do.


You side only with countries that clearly hate you, I mean, the British probably think Romanians are only good for cheap prostitution, but you still love the West more than the country which actually helped you, Russia. I mean, we all know that the reason you wanted to open the borders was so that you could flock to Western Europe to get some welfare anyway.
I have no masters and no inferiority complexes which you obviously do .. and I work for the bread I eat unlike many others (my guess most of them socialists)


If somebody not understand: commie = ex and present securitate and military. Basically the elite of the Romanian state, the real power in Romania. Because of this is the Arab spring light in Romania. Clear nearestern situation, the rebellion against the military-intelligence caste, which caste rule most of the oriental states from the Balkan to the Middle East.
You're obviously clueless. The former Securitate member's party was (not sure if it still is) the Liberal Party. Yes, Johannis' party. Don't speak of things you don't know. The former commies are present day Socialist Party.

Arab spring ? Lay off the palinka magyar.

[Borna]

Oh, the horror!

The horror was imposed on thousands of Hungarians who had to flee Transilvanya during Communist rule, Volksdeutschers as well.

[mikhail]

No Mishanya, being thankful for crumbs is being a gypsy and that's what you are. You speak of free healthcare, first of all you need hospitals and those don't get build by stupid socialists (at least not in Romania). I have no masters and no inferiority complexes which you obviously do.


I have no masters and no inferiority complexes which you obviously do .. and I work for the bread I eat unlike many others (my guess most of them socialists)


K be the miserable shit hole your country has become today. There is no communist or socialist policy anywhere in sight when it comes to the policy of the Romanian government, accept the fact that you made your own country go to shit and stop mindlessly blaming others for your own faults like a gypsy.

[Zmey Gorynych]

K be the miserable shit hole your country has become today. There is no communist or socialist policy anywhere in sight when it comes to the policy of the Romanian government, accept the fact that you made your own country go to shit and stop mindlessly blaming others for your own faults like a gypsy.
This miserable country is better off than your dear Russia and better than your dear Bulgaria. As I said before fuck off to your mother's basement and jerk off to Lenin's picture. Cunt.

[blogen]

You're obviously clueless. The former Securitate member's party was (not sure if it still is) the Liberal Party. Yes, Johannis' party. Don't speak of things you don't know. The former commies are present day Socialist Party.

Arab spring ? Lay off the palinka magyar.

Ex and present. The whole Romanian political elite is connected to the intelligence service. They are the power in Romania. Everything other is simply lie. And yes, this is the Arab spring, the rebellion against this caste.

[KawaiiKawaii]

This miserable country is better off than your dear Russia and better than your dear Bulgaria. As I said before fuck off to your mother's basement and jerk off to Lenin's picture. Cunt.

I was wondering if the current political elite in both Moldavia and Romania are in favor of Moldavia integrating Romania? Are the people in favor too? If yes, what is the main opposition to such union?

Additional question : I wasn't aware that Romanians and Bulgarians hated each other. I mean, they were both part of the same state before if I remember. What happened?

[mikhail]

This miserable country is better off than your dear Russia and better than your dear Bulgaria. As I said before fuck off to your mother's basement and jerk off to Lenin's picture. Cunt.

:cry

[Zmey Gorynych]

Ex and present. The whole Romanian political elite is connected to the intelligence service. They are the power in Romania. Everything other is simply lie. And yes, this is the Arab spring, the rebellion against this caste.
Again you're fumbling in the dark. Not every prominent political figure was connected to the secret service or the army.


I was wondering if the current political elite in both Moldavia and Romania are in favor of Moldavia integrating Romania? Are the people in favor too? If yes, what is the main opposition to such union?

Additional question : I wasn't aware that Romanians and Bulgarians hated each other. I mean, they were both part of the same state before if I remember. What happened?
The romanian right wing are without a doubt in favour of the union. The left wing (socialist party) say they are in favour but in fact aren't. The moldovan left wing politicians strongly oppose the union. Right wing politicians are chameleons. Today they might say one thing, tomorrow another. Judge for yourself: Moldova's hope for the future, the prime-minister Leanca (who's a liberal), is a soviet educated diplomat that managed to work for the system.

Bulgarians and romanians have no beef, the occasional confrontation you see in these forums is no indicator of general relations. I wouldn't say they were part of the same state, the vlachs (which aren't romanians proper) and bulgarians rebelled against Byzantium a long time ago (hardly worth mentioning).

[blogen]

Again you're fumbling in the dark. Not every prominent political figure was connected to the secret service or the army.

http://www.birdsandblooms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/WhiteCrow-a2-ColoCityCO.jpg

[ЛыSSый]

Stop your hard convernation!

In this protests no politics included. Romanians just want celebrate one more party !

[mikhail]

I was wondering if the current political elite in both Moldavia and Romania are in favor of Moldavia integrating Romania? Are the people in favor too? If yes, what is the main opposition to such union?

Additional question : I wasn't aware that Romanians and Bulgarians hated each other. I mean, they were both part of the same state before if I remember. What happened?

They were never part of the same state (at least not as equal parties), and the Romanins attacked Bulgaria for no reason whatsoever in the second Balkan war when bulgaria was already fighting 4 other countries alone, and so the Romanians used this to their advantage to steal Bulgarian territory for themselves because they knew that they were incapable of fighting bulgaria 1 on 1.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Bulgarians and romanians have no beef, the occasional confrontation you see in these forums is no indicator of general relations. I wouldn't say they were part of the same state, the vlachs (which aren't romanians proper) and bulgarians rebelled against Byzantium a long time ago (hardly worth mentioning).

And what about the people (Romanians and Moldavians)? Are they in favor? The Romanian minorities must be against, since Romanians will represent a much higher percentage of the population that they do now I assume. Same thing with the minorities in Moldavia.

[Zmey Gorynych]

And what about the people (Romanians and Moldavians)? Are they in favor? The Romanian minorities must be against, since Romanians will represent a much higher percentage of the population that they do now I assume. Same thing with the minorities in Moldavia.
Yes, the minorities in both countries are against the union. Romanians (the great majority) are in favour of the union. The case of moldovans is a little complicated. Fifty years of soviet occupation (150 years of total russian occupation) left a trace in moldovan mentality, so ethnic moldovan romanians are divided on this issue. At this moment I don't think a referendum would give a positive result (pro union) but give it another 20-30 years (so that those born in mid 70's would be 60-70 at the time of the referendum) and you'll get the majority that you need.


They were never part of the same state (at least not as equal parties)
What parties, Pulev!? They were all equal ethnic romanians, citizens of the romanian state from 1918 to 1940.

[Piccolo]

Isn't Romania a capitalist country now? Or are these protests against the Romanian political class that is made up of ex-communists?

[Vlach]

Isn't Romania a capitalist country now? Or are these protests against the Romanian political class that is made up of ex-communists?

Finally someon who got it.

[Vlach]

K be the miserable shit hole your country has become today. There is no communist or socialist policy anywhere in sight when it comes to the policy of the Romanian government, accept the fact that you made your own country go to shit and stop mindlessly blaming others for your own faults like a gypsy.

Lol, if we are in a miserable hole, where's Bulgaria?

[mikhail]

Lol, if we are in a miserable hole, where's Bulgaria?

Every country in Eastern Europe is miserable shit hole, I never claimed that we lived like kings. The entire former eastern bloc got fucked after 1989 and now Eastern Europe is almost entirely comprised of only poor countries and protectorates, but every country deserves what it gets, every country deserves it's politicians, Romanian politicians were raised in Romanian society, you taught your politicians to act this way when you taught them in your society, Bulgarian politician were taught to act this way in Bulgarian society, so Bulgaria deserves the politicians it gets, Serbian politicians were taught to act ths way in Serbian society, so Serbs deserve whichever politicians they get, get over yourself, everyone got what they deserved, everyone made themselves a shit country, stop blaming your problems on everyone else and just accept that you did this to yourself.

[Vlach]

Every country in Eastern Europe is miserable shit hole, I never claimed that we lived like kings. The entire former eastern bloc got fucked after 1989 and now Eastern Europe is almost entirely comprised of only poor countries and protectorates, but every country deserves what it gets, every country deserves it's politicians, Romanian politicians were raised in Romanian society, you taught your politicians to act this way when you taught them in your society, Bulgarian politician were taught to act this way in Bulgarian society, so Bulgaria deserves the politicians it gets, Serbian politicians were taught to act ths way in Serbian society, so Serbs deserve whichever politicians they get, get over yourself, everyone got what they deserved, everyone made themselves a shit country, stop blaming your problems on everyone else and just accept that you did this to yourself.

So the poor romanian society is poor because we are lame or because our politicians are ex communists thieves which have 15 houses?

[mikhail]

So the poor romanian society is poor because we are lame or because our politicians are ex communists thieves which have 15 houses?


Mainly the first one. You raised your ex-communist politicians to be thieves, your society taught them to belike this, every country deserves the politicians they get. Even Bulgaria deserves the bad politicians we get, because we raised them to be like this is our society.

[Vlach]

Mainly the first one. You raised your ex-communist politicians to be thieves, your society taught them to belike this, every country deserves the politicians they get. Even Bulgaria deserves the bad politicians we get, because we raised them to be like this is our society.

We have the ex communists because communists brainwashed our people. Communism = brainwashing + killing the culture, thats the way they wanna, stupid people which work for state, who have another opinnion is jailed. You know, romanians fought for freedom. 1000 deads for democracy ;)

[Shkembe Chorba]

Misho, stop provoking the two Romanian members. They were friendly towards us before you start calling their country shithole.

[mikhail]

We have the ex communists because communists brainwashed our people. Communism = brainwashing + killing the culture, thats the way they wanna, stupid people which work for state, who have another opinnion is jailed. You know, romanians fought for freedom. 1000 deads for democracy ;)

:picard1:

You don't even understand what I am saying, Romanian society taught your politicians to behave this way, every society breeds the behavior of its politicians, ergo every state deserves its own politicians.

[Borna]

:picard1:

You don't even understand what I am saying, Romanian society taught your politicians to behave this way, every society breeds the behavior of its politicians, ergo every state deserves its own politicians.

Or as we say, every government would like to have people like this :D

[ЛыSSый]

We have the ex communists because communists brainwashed our people. Communism = brainwashing + killing the culture, thats the way they wanna, stupid people which work for state, who have another opinnion is jailed. You know, romanians fought for freedom. 1000 deads for democracy ;) gigig, the same proclamations i heared about year ago, and now we have just another thieves, downing of grivna and disorder.

Finally romanians just will change the thieves in a head of country, which will fucked them harder and harder. Also: the social part of budget will go down anyway.
work to death and no medical care for slaves. happy celebrating

[Yorg]

The foreign minister resigned because he doesn't want to open more polling stations abroad.

[Vlach]

:picard1:

You don't even understand what I am saying, Romanian society taught your politicians to behave this way, every society breeds the behavior of its politicians, ergo every state deserves its own politicians.

Dude, now we are again in streets. Because we cant carry it anymore. Whats so hard?

[mikhail]

Misho, stop provoking the two Romanian members. They were friendly towards us before you start calling their country shithole.

It's not just Romania, what is the entire Eastern Europe after 1989? A shithole. Be objective, it's times worse than it was before. My uncle was sent to Belene forced labour camp for opposing the state, and even he admits that Eastern Europe was better off during socialist times.

[Vlach]

It's not just Romania, what is the entire Eastern Europe after 1989? A shithole. Be objective, it's times worse than it was before. My uncle was sent to Belene forced labour camp for opposing the state, and even he admits that Eastern Europe was better off during socialist times.

Why you talk about ROmania if you dont know how was here? I wanna to see you without food, hot water, electricty ;)

[Vlach]

15k + in Cluj Napoca yesterday


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKPH5I6_kVw