Nicki The Nazi Minaj ?

[Hong Key]

Nicki The Nazi? Nicki Minaj channels Hitler in her new video, ‘Only.’ (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/nicki-nazi-minaj-channels-hitler-video-article-1.2005983)

Want attention? Emulate Hitler.

Nicki Minaj just employed that sure-fire trick in her new video, “Only.”

The five-and-a-half minute clip, which went viral on Monday, uses animation to depict the top- and bottom-heavy rapper as a ruthless, but sexy, fascist surrounded by Nazi-esque troops and flanked by banners than look like leftovers from the set of Leni Riefenstahl’s sieg heil of a propaganda coup, “Triumph of the Will.”

Her record label’s initials — YM for Young Money — are twisted into a swastika-like shape.

Minaj’s video, directed by Jeff Osborne, was viewed nearly 3 million times on YouTube on Monday. Meanwhile, the twitterverse erupted in outrage.

“Thanks for blatant nazi imagery in your new video! Really great allusion to persecution & genocide,” tweeted Melissa Morgan.

READ MORE: (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/nicki-nazi-minaj-channels-hitler-video-article-1.2005983)

watch without audio is highly suggested

http://youtu.be/BU769XX_dIQ

[Obscene]

Nicki Minaj is a trashy degenerate skank.

[Hong Key]

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[Borna]

She is disgusting semi-animal creature, type of females that used to be burned on squares with big crowd during Medieval times.

[KawaiiKawaii]

I love her. I think she is the voice of our generation, and this music video proves it further.

[Hong Key]

Nicki Minaj is a trashy degenerate skank.

She is also quite insane.


http://youtu.be/csBEVyWFcQk

[Mortimer]

nazi imagery is sexy thats why. many girls want to be banged by a hard SS officer, in israel it is a popular porn genre. i think it is just a fetish like feet fetish, im no moral authority so i dont condemn it.

[Methmatician]

YM doesn't resemble a swastika-like shape. It's just to replace the Swastika.

[Piccolo]

Isn't Drake half Jewish? :rolleyes: Anyway, I guess the music industry must be hurting to constantly use shock tactics to get their "artists" attention from the media.

[Mortimer]

there are also nazis with fetish for jewish girls, i knew one, he talked bad about jews but wanted to "punish" a jewess. there are all kinds of people.

[Trogdor]

Isn't Drake half Jewish? :rolleyes: Anyway, I guess the music industry must be hurting to constantly use shock tactics to get their "artists" attention from the media.

Yes, Drake's mom is Jewish so I am wondering what he thought when he took part in this video. I definitely think Minaj was trying to get a reaction from people when she did that nazi imagery.

[Äijä]

I love her. I think she is the voice of our generation, and this music video proves it further.

You must be joking?

[Äijä]

nazi imagery is sexy thats why. many girls want to be banged by a hard SS officer, in israel it is a popular porn genre. i think it is just a fetish like feet fetish, im no moral authority so i dont condemn it.

Proof?

Do Roma women also have this?

[Heather]

Lol.

I often wonder why people take her music seriously...

"Eat my ass like a cupcake"

Keep it classy, ladies.

[LightHouse89]

she is living proof that blacks are animals. on top of the other savage behavior they commit themselves to.

[LightHouse89]

Lol.

I often wonder why people take her music seriously...

"Eat my ass like a cupcake"

Keep it classy, ladies.

I am convinced they cannot because they are animals to begin with [most blacks]. I wish Abe Lincoln sent them all packing back to africa.

[Hithaeglir]

Meh,nothing to see here.Another celebrity trying to provoke,in order to sell more.Remember Rihanna's S&M video?The exact same concept.

[LightHouse89]

Meh,nothing to see here.Another celebrity trying to provoke,in order to sell more.Remember Rihanna's S&M video?The exact same concept.

Its amazing what 'progress' culture from California brings to the world. :rolleyes::p

[Longbowman]

watch without audio is highly suggested

ok I laughed.

[Gauthier]

nazi imagery is sexy thats why. many girls want to be banged by a hard SS officer, in israel it is a popular porn genre. i think it is just a fetish like feet fetish, im no moral authority so i dont condemn it.

LoL wut?

[Gauthier]

How do these people manage to get so popular. All I hear is bitch, fuck, nigga in their songs.

Jim Crow write to your congressmen and tell them to ban these monsters.

[Hithaeglir]

Its amazing what 'progress' culture from California brings to the world. :rolleyes::p

Exactly,all of the Barbaric Nations of Europe should look up to the California gurls,which will melt our popsicles.

[LightHouse89]

How do these people manage to get so popular. All I hear is bitch, fuck, nigga in their songs.

Jim Crow write to your congressmen and tell them to ban these monsters.

I wish to but Democrats mostly run my state and they are very liberal and would tell me they wouldnt dream of banning such inspiring art LOL :rolleyes:

[LightHouse89]

Exactly,all of the Barbaric Nations of Europe should look up to the California gurls,which will melt our popsicles.

You see this is why we need more Religion and less 'art'. :p

[Linebacker]

These people try so hard to stay on the surface.Lack of actual talent means they gotta do scandals just to stay afloat.

Meanwhile 50 Cent has been away from music for years and people are still talking about him.Some just got it and some just don't.

[zhaoyun]

Just more garbage pop culture

[Kawaiine]

crappy music

[de Burgh II]

Shes just trashy like the rest of main stream music industry; whoring themselves as "entertainers".

[TheForeigner]

Hood rats and nazis... Makes sense... to somone.

[TheForeigner]

These people try so hard to stay on the surface.Lack of actual talent means they gotta do scandals just to stay afloat.

Meanwhile 50 Cent has been away from music for years and people are still talking about him.Some just got it and some just don't.

Lol 50 cent is a true artist!:rolleyes:

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Lol 50 cent is a true artist!:rolleyes:
http://i.imgur.com/KLyJGLZ.gif

[Gustave H]

Nicki the subhuman Minaj*

[Linebacker]

Lol 50 cent is a true artist!:rolleyes:

50 cent was one of the best selling artist of the past decade,he has a net worth of 300 million dollars.

[Highlands]

It's not that bad.

[LightHouse89]

50 cent was one of the best selling artist of the past decade,he has a net worth of 300 million dollars.

I hope he is as good at picking cotton as he is producing foolish Nigger art. LOL XD no serf slave is worth 300 million dollars unless he can pick faster than 30 people combined.

[Linebacker]

I hope he is as good at picking cotton as he is producing foolish Nigger art. LOL XD no serf slave is worth 300 million dollars unless he can pick faster than 30 people combined.

With a 300 million net worth it sounds like you're the one picking his cotton,for cheap.

[LightHouse89]

Just more garbage pop culture

I mean compare it to better cultural works that were once popular here.

I mean which art do you find more inspiring?

North Eastern folk music.....Southern folk music or this west cost plastic culture deemed 'American'. I have nothing in common with this Silicone Monstrosity from Hollywood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJix_wfNBFY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObAdfnObao8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFhFiLmzIpk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UvQ52A7ksM
or this plastic crap? LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2FRPA3Gf8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs

I mean to me its a given. The East Coast probably differs from Liberal-Left wing Europe and Insane West Coast 'culture'...that stuff is only popular here in the cities. The people in the country side view it as garbage culture and an embarrassment.

[LightHouse89]

With a 300 million net worth it sounds like you're the one picking his cotton,for cheap.

No sir. I come from a very well to do family. Negroes picked cotton because thats all they were good for.

Do you know who markets this ghetto black subhuman music? Take a wild guess!

[StonyArabia]

Lol.

I often wonder why people take her music seriously...

"Eat my ass like a cupcake"

Keep it classy, ladies.

I don't think that's music or art truth be told.

[Linebacker]

No sir. I come from a very well to do family. Negroes picked cotton because thats all they were good for.

Do you know who markets this ghetto black subhuman music? Take a wild guess!

The jews?

[KawaiiKawaii]

These people try so hard to stay on the surface.Lack of actual talent means they gotta do scandals just to stay afloat.

Meanwhile 50 Cent has been away from music for years and people are still talking about him.Some just got it and some just don't.

Oh Jesus :D :D :D :D :D :D You almost killed me!

[Linebacker]

[/B]
Oh Jesus :D :D :D :D :D :D You almost killed me!

No I didn't but with all that kiddy shit on your profile,somebody needs to.

[LightHouse89]

The jews?

Yes Hollywood Jewry. Bingo! :cool: It isnt art just because its being marketed as 'art'. If you like afram art so much then listen to blue grass at least they make actual music that isnt offensive to listen to.

[Balmung]

It's not that bad.

Yeah i've been over the whole "evil popstars" crap for a while now. At the end of the day its a business, they're making money. There's other professions out there doing REAL harm to people. Rather than focus on those, western world cares so much about how Miley Cyrus effects their daughters when they can just not buy her music. Those western priorities, man.

[KawaiiKawaii]

No I didn't but with all that kiddy shit on your profile,somebody needs to.

If you continue to talk about people you consider great artists, I'll probably die of laughter anyway :D .

[Linebacker]

If you continue to talk about people you consider great artists, I'll probably die of laughter anyway :D .

Its not just Me considering 50 a great artist.Its pretty much the whole planet,cause he has around 73 awards from all world associations.

Die already,basement hater.

[Aviator]

Its not just Me considering 50 a great artist.Its pretty much the whole planet,cause he has around 73 awards from all world associations.

Die already,basement hater.

Admit it, you'll go along with literally anything, so long as it's deemed popular.

[LightHouse89]

Yeah i've been over the whole "evil popstars" crap for a while now. At the end of the day its a business, they're making money. There's other professions out there doing REAL harm to people. Rather than focus on those, western world cares so much about how Miley Cyrus effects their daughters when they can just not buy her music. Those western priorities, man.

well this wonderful west coast culture plus the legalization of drugs our society is already morally warped.

[LightHouse89]

Its not just Me considering 50 a great artist.Its pretty much the whole planet,cause he has around 73 awards from all world associations.

Die already,basement hater.

Yes just like how Obama won the Nobel Peace award. How Ironic :rolleyes:

[KawaiiKawaii]

Its not just Me considering 50 a great artist.Its pretty much the whole planet,cause he has around 73 awards from all world associations.

Die already,basement hater.

Obviously awards and sales (and his fortune!) are proofs that he is one of the most intelligent and creative musician in the world :thumb001:
I don't hate basements.

[LightHouse89]

Obviously awards and sales (and his fortune!) are proofs that he is one of the most intelligent and creative musician in the world :thumb001:
I don't hate basements.

Give him afew mathematical equations and we should see how 'brilliant' he really is. :rolleyes::p

[de Burgh II]

Lol 50 cent is a true artist!:rolleyes:

I think this is rap music in a nutshell with malt-liquica! *flute music*


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIsc8ooXug&spfreload=10

[Balmung]

Pop culture is worldwide. Some countries its even more bizarre. Not mentioning any names Japan. Many of them do not have our homicide rates, dropout rates, poverty rates nor our generally unhealthy society.

It pretty much proves pop culture hasn't done much of anything. What has made a negative impact on the west is its nact to bury real issues under petty shit and never fixing the real problems. We blame race, we blame music, we blame video games. We come up with just about every convienient excuse in the book for why we're declining. Our politics and their own priorities fucked up the west not some skank talking about her ass. If the Japanese can have high iq averages, low poverty rates, low dropout rates, and high life expectancies while having tentacle porn and panties in vending machines we really have no excuse.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Isn't Drake half Jewish? :rolleyes: Anyway, I guess the music industry must be hurting to constantly use shock tactics to get their "artists" attention from the media.

Yes... and his mother was the Jewish one. Ashkenazi btw. He looks it too... You can tell he is half.

[KawaiiKawaii]

f the Japanese can have high iq averages, low poverty rates, low dropout rates, and high life expectancies while having tentacle porn and panties in vending machines we really have no excuse.

Japan is not doing well.
I never blamed pop music for the "West collapse" (if there is such thing).

[MINARDOWICZ]

Obviously awards and sales (and his fortune!) are proofs that he is one of the most intelligent and creative musician in the world :thumb001:
I don't hate basements.

There are better rappers out there but 50 isn't bad...

I'm a fan of a lot of 90s rap to be honest though.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Give him afew mathematical equations and we should see how 'brilliant' he really is. :rolleyes::p

XD you may be right there.

[TheForeigner]

Indeed why are awards or popularity proof of merit? What did Obama received the Noble peace prize for anyway? Hhe had brought no peace anywhere at the time and didn't so far either. Withdrawal of troops from Iraq after the award doesn't count and things are not good there.

[Longbowman]

Japan is not doing well.
I never blamed pop music for the "West collapse" (if there is such thing).

But they're ethnically homogenous and that's all that counts. Plus, they helped Hitler.

[TheForeigner]

But they're ethnically homogenous and that's all that counts. Plus, they helped Hitler.

Do you think it's not an advantage for a society to be ethnically homogenous?

[Longbowman]

Do you think it's not an advantage for a society to be ethnically homogenous?

Most homogenous society I can think of is Somalia.

[TheForeigner]

Most homogenous society I can think of is Somalia.
That doesn't mean anything. You are more liberal than I thought. Maybe it's partly because of being mixed and part Jewish too.

[Longbowman]

That doesn't mean anything. You are more liberal than I thought. Maybe it's partly because of being mixed and part Jewish too.

Doesn't it? The success of a society isn't based on ethnicity. Look at Switzerland and Belgium and the US. Then look at Somalia and North Korea and Yemen. I don't go by labels but if that makes me liberal (it doesn't in the UK) then I'm liberal.

If you dissent, please explain.

[Leto]

Longbowman, I've noticed your updated information. I'm laughing my ass off!:rotfl

[TheForeigner]

Doesn't it? The success of a society isn't based on ethnicity. Look at Switzerland and Belgium and the US. Then look at Somalia and North Korea and Yemen. I don't go by labels but if that makes me liberal (it doesn't in the UK) then I'm liberal.

If you dissent, please explain.

What about Finland, Japan or South Koreea? In Belgium they want to divide the country in at least two and do away with it. Bekgium has had so many political crises for so many years now and the US is still plagued by racial tensions and problems. I am not convinced by your examples. Those lands are succesful for other reasons than ethnic diversity. Only Switzerland has really managed ethnic diversity well.

[Longbowman]

Longbowman, I've noticed your updated information. I'm laughing my ass off!:rotfl

I know I can do better. Reduce the heroes to just Judas, change the religion to money or the Holocaust, change my custom banners from British and Atlantids to Jewish (I'm assuming there is such a banner).

[Longbowman]

What about Finland, Japan or South Koreea? In Belgium they want to divide the country in at least two and do away with it. Bekgium has had so many political crises for so many years now and the US is still plagued by racial tensions and problems. I am not convinced by your examples. Those lands are succesful for other reasons than ethnic diversity. Only Switzerland has really managed ethnic diversity well.

Sure, being homogenous doesn't mean you'll fail. There's no guarantee either way. My point isn't 'diversity is better,' my point is 'diversity isn't worse.'

[TheForeigner]

Longbowman, I've noticed your updated information. I'm laughing my ass off!:rotfl

I think he is using irony against me. He thinks I'm almost a nazi and is very sensitive about anyone saying anything critical about Jews or bringing up his partial Jewish origin. It is funny though. He could have been one of those funny Jewish-American comedians.:)

[Fenrir]

Doesn't it? The success of a society isn't based on ethnicity. Look at Switzerland and Belgium and the US. Then look at Somalia and North Korea and Yemen. I don't go by labels but if that makes me liberal (it doesn't in the UK) then I'm liberal.

If you dissent, please explain.

Flawed logic, what's more relevant is analyzing what happens to successful societies, that were once homogeneous, the more heterogeneous they become. The U.S was at its pinnacle of dominance and success when it was mostly white and has been in steady decline in recent decades, perfectly correlated to the reduction of its white majority.

Btw, if you were a history student you'd know that Belgium isn't a real state, and neither is Switzerland in the practical way (of direct democracy on a localized basis) that it's run. The southern Italian cantons are worlds apart from the northern German ones and both are successful because of the Italian and German cultures found in each. Flanders and Wallonia are successful because of their own unique cultures, not because they're apart of a utopian heterogeneous multiracial paradise called Belgium that you're insinuating. Multiracial states fail, it's an iron law of history.

Another btw, Somalia is anything but homogeneous and is an unindustrialized country with no history of success so what does pointing to it accomplish? It's a failure because of its culture, and Belgian and Switzerland are successful because of their cultures. Culture is determined by ethnicity and is interwoven with race and most importantly history.

[TheForeigner]

Sure, being homogenous doesn't mean you'll fail. There's no guarantee either way. My point isn't 'diversity is better,' my point is 'diversity isn't worse.'

My point is that certain kinds of ethnic diversity is good and other kinds are bad. I'm not going to give examples and make you agree or pretend to disagree. You don't want to write controversial things. I understand you.

[Longbowman]

I think he is using irony against me. He thinks I'm almost a nazi and is very sensitive about anyone saying anything critical about Jews or bringing up his partial Jewish origin. It is funny though. He could have been one of those funny Jewish-American comedians.:)

Don't flatter yourself mate, it's not directed at anyone. Plus I don't think you're a Nazi and I'm not really sensitive about Judaism. If I were ashamed of my origins I would simply not have recorded them. Thanks though :)

[Longbowman]

Flawed logic, what's more relevant is analyzing what happens to successful societies, that were once homogeneous, the more heterogeneous they become. The U.S was at its pinnacle of dominance and success when it was mostly white and has been in steady decline in recent decades, perfectly correlated to the reduction of its white majority.

Btw, if you were a history student you'd know that Belgium isn't a real state, and neither is Switzerland in the practical way (of direct democracy on a localized basis) that it's run. The southern Italian cantons are worlds apart from the northern German ones and both are successful because of the Italian and German cultures found in each. Flanders and Wallonia are successful because of their own unique cultures, not because they're apart of a utopian heterogeneous multiracial paradise called Belgium that you're insinuating. Multiracial states fail, it's an iron law of history.

Another btw, Somalia is anything but homogeneous and is an unindustrialized country with no history of success so what does pointing to it accomplish? It's a failure because of its culture, and Belgian and Switzerland are successful because of their cultures. Culture is determined by ethnicity and is interwoven with race and most importantly history.

No, you're wrong I'm afraid, about that last part, and kind of about Switzerland too, but Somalia is almost 100% Somali and Muslim. No religious, linguistic or genetic differences, and its the largest failed state in the world. How 'bout that, huh.

[Longbowman]

My point is that certain kinds of ethnic diversity is good and other kinds are bad. I'm not going to give examples and make you agree or pretend to disagree. You don't want to write controversial things. I understand you.

I am secretly against immigration and smelly non-white people as you know.

[MINARDOWICZ]

I know I can do better. Reduce the heroes to just Judas, change the religion to money or the Holocaust, change my custom banners from British and Atlantids to Jewish (I'm assuming there is such a banner).

I have one...

[Fenrir]

No, you're wrong I'm afraid, about that last part, and kind of about Switzerland too, but Somalia is almost 100% Somali and Muslim. No religious, linguistic or genetic differences, and its the largest failed state in the world. How 'bout that, huh.

You could at least read my post. It's a failure not because it's homogeneous but because it has a failed culture. You're obviously trolling because a simple Google search reveals that Somalia is only 85% ethnically Somali. Now should I point to Japan who has preserved its homogeneity to great success?

And no I'm not wrong about Switzerland. Regional canton democracies might as well not join and form a "state" called Switzerland, after all it was indeed configured as a confederacy for many hundreds of years, and each Canton was successful because of their cultures (Italian, German & French).

[TheForeigner]

Don't flatter yourself mate, it's not directed at anyone. Plus I don't think you're a Nazi and I'm not really sensitive about Judaism. If I were ashamed of my origins I would simply not have recorded them. Thanks though :)

I was allready convinced that you are not ashamed, but rather fiercely proud of you Jewish heritage and very touchy about any slight or insult to it. You suspect the worst of anyone critical of Jews and don't think there can be any legitimate criticism of Jews as a group. Anyway, I don't hate Jews and least of all you.

[Longbowman]

I was allready convinced that you are not ashamed, but rather fiercely proud of you Jewish heritage and very touchy about any slight or insult to it. You suspect the worst of anyone critical of Jews and don't think there can be any legitimate criticism of Jews as a group. Anyway, I don't hate Jews and least of all you.

We're going to be best friends, I can tell :)

But really I don't consider myself 'fiercely proud.' I'm almost ambivalent. I'm very happy to joke about it too.

[Leto]

I think he is using irony against me. He thinks I'm almost a nazi and is very sensitive about anyone saying anything critical about Jews or bringing up his partial Jewish origin. It is funny though. He could have been one of those funny Jewish-American comedians.:)
I like this quote of yours

I don't deny the historical reality of the Holocaust. Not many people do. Not even David Irving does anymore. I'm not a fan of Jews and less even of Gypsies, but I don't like Nazi Germany or their ideology and deeds either.

[TheForeigner]

Longbowman, we are not stereotyping you as a ''crafty, selfish and devious Jew''.:)

[Longbowman]

You could at least read my post. It's a failure not because it's homogeneous but because it has a failed culture. You're obviously trolling because a simple Google search reveals that Somalia is only 85% ethnically Somali. Now should I point to Japan who has preserved its homogeneity to great success?

And no I'm not wrong about Switzerland. Regional canton democracies might as well not join and form a "state" called Switzerland, after all it was indeed configured as a confederacy for many hundreds of years, and each Canton was successful because of their cultures (Italian, German & French).

And Romansch, eh. Many cantons are multi-lingual and multi-cultural, though.

Anyhow if you could demonstrate why heterogeneity is bad, I'd be impressed. Japan's birth rate is terrible, its suicide rate is terrible, and their sex lives are the worst in the world. (http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/03/26/japan-now-has-so-many-30-year-old-virgins-its-language-needs-a-new-slang-term-for-them/)

Literally, by a long way. (http://www.vox.com/2014/5/7/5662608/in-different-area-codes) I do not envy Japan. Its debt is incredible too and its economy is going nowhere.

[Longbowman]

Longbowman, we are not stereotyping you as a ''crafty, selfish and devious Jew''.:)

Good. Good. This will make it easier to go about my crafty Jew business.

[TheForeigner]

Longbowman do you really think Britain is stronger economically, politically, more cohesive socially and culturally enriched by it's Pakistani and Black minorities? Does Britain get not much more crime from them? Did Britain ever need it to import them?

[Longbowman]

Longbowman do you really think Britain is stronger economically, politically, more cohesive socially and culturally enriched by it's Pakistani and Black minorities? Does Britain get not much more crime from them? Did Britain ever need it to import them?

Yes, we did actually. We specifically imported Commonwealth citizens after WWII because of manpower shortages.

On average white citizens are more productive than many (but (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Chinese) not (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism_in_the_United_Kingdom) all) non-white citizens but the non-white citizens are still worth the trouble, taken as a demographic.

If I were the punishing type and I were inclined to expel or destroy people for not contributing or committing crimes, I wouldn't restrict my wrath by skin colour.

[Fenrir]

Anyhow if you could demonstrate why heterogeneity is bad

It's pretty simple: it leads to conflict. It irrationalizes the democratic process. It polarizes the state's organs. And so on. This is even more extreme where "pockets" of different ethnic groups are dispersed in a centralized state e.g: Ukraine.

There's also biological/sociological reasons as to why it's bad e.g: anthropological nature of the individual and the way he sees himself in society. Ethnocentric impulses and "in vs out group" dichotomies. Weberian power structures and the palingenetic myth that underpins Nations that withstand global/regional polarity shifts.

Countries that are not *naturally* formed through common culture, ambition & history are doomed to fail because the foundations that underpin said nations could be unraveled at any point.

I have to run out in a bit, but I'm up for continuing the discussion another time.

[TheForeigner]

Anyway I am sorry for the antisemitic things I've written at times here and for even allusions I made about Longbowman. I am only very mildly antisemitic. That may still sound bad to some, but I am being honest about it. I still think of all people as human and individuals before being members of other groups. Well that at least, if I'm not angry for some reason or drunk or something and I'll say something mean or stupid.

[Longbowman]

It's pretty simple: it leads to conflict. It irrationalizes the democratic process. It polarizes the state's organs. And so on. This is even more extreme where "pockets" of different ethnic groups are dispersed in a centralized state e.g: Ukraine.

There's also biological/sociological reasons as to why it's bad e.g: anthropological nature of the individual and the way he sees himself in society. Ethnocentric impulses and "in vs out group" dichotomies. Weberian power structures and the palingenetic myth that underpins Nations that withstand global/regional polarity shifts.

Countries that are not *naturally* formed through common culture, ambition & history are doomed to fail because the foundations that underpin said nations could be unraveled at any point.

I have to run out in a bit, but I'm up for continuing the discussion another time.

Sure :)

Yes, human nature sucks, and people like to scapegoat and resort to tribalism and feel special and superior. These are good arguments, and really the only arguments. Yet I dissent.

Ever the optimisit, I believe humanity will rise from our primitive origins and become more like Singapore and Canada and wherever. It seems to be a lot of the anti-immigrant/non-white sentiment in the US is not directed at 'model minorities.' Minorities perceived to be useful, ie the Chinese, are let be. Coexistence can certainly happen, and it does happen, and it has happened for centuries in some parts. You say conflict is inevitable; I say conflict is never without cause; indeed, nothing is without cause; and yes, when the chips are down the minority gets scapegoated, but contingency planning aside, either the chips won't go down, or they will and someone will be scapegoated. The baying crowds won't go home because there are no blacks to lynch. They'll find someone to hate.

So as immigrants aren't an inherent prejudice to their host society, I do not oppose them. Indeed, my dad is an immigrant (sure, he's white and from the US, but the principle is there).

[Longbowman]

Anyway I am sorry for the antisemitic things I've written at times here and for even allusions I made about Longbowman. I am only very mildly antisemitic. That may still sound bad to some, but I am being honest about it. I still think of all people as human and individuals before being members of other groups. Well that at least, if I'm not angry for some reason or drunk or something and I'll say something mean or stupid.

It's OK. I referred to 'Balkan chimpouts' the other day.

[TheForeigner]

Well I don't agree with you and you base your opinions and optimism on good intentions and sentimentalism. Indeed your own father is an immigrant, so you have to see it that way or so you think. Anyway you are a good person and not so naive like the bulk of the ''diversity is strenght'' crowd. You just want to be fair and decent to everyone, which is noble.

[Longbowman]

Well I don't agree with you and you base your opinions and optimism on good intentions and sentimentalism. Indeed your own father is an immigrant, so you have to see it that way or so you think. Anyway you are a good person and not so naive like the bulk of the ''diversity is strenght'' crowd. You just want to be fair and decent to everyone, which is noble.

Everyone has good intentions, of course. All men justify their actions and beliefs as what is righteous, or best, or just, or appropriate. Of course it also depends on the goals you have. I'm not an ethnic nationalist, so I'm not unduly interested in preserving ethnostates, although I'm not interested in destroying them either. That said, all men justify their goals too. I try to understand peoples' perspectives. I used to be somewhat fascistic, and certainly into involving myself in the lives of others, but now I generally feel tolerance and acceptance is the best policy.

Certainly, I'm not a hypocrite. My girlfriend's mixed-race.

[Fenrir]

Sure :)

Yes, human nature sucks, and people like to scapegoat and resort to tribalism and feel special and superior. These are good arguments, and really the only arguments. Yet I dissent.

Ever the optimisit, I believe humanity will rise from our primitive origins and become more like Singapore and Canada and wherever. It seems to be a lot of the anti-immigrant/non-white sentiment in the US is not directed at 'model minorities.' Minorities perceived to be useful, ie the Chinese, are let be. Coexistence can certainly happen, and it does happen, and it has happened for centuries in some parts. You say conflict is inevitable; I say conflict is never without cause; indeed, nothing is without cause; and yes, when the chips are down the minority gets scapegoated, but contingency planning aside, either the chips won't go down, or they will and someone will be scapegoated. The baying crowds won't go home because there are no blacks to lynch. They'll find someone to hate.

So as immigrants aren't an inherent prejudice to their host society, I do not oppose them. Indeed, my dad is an immigrant (sure, he's white and from the US, but the principle is there).

It's really interesting, isn't it, but the first question that pops into my head when reading your response is... "well, just what is a Nation?" The most common response would be the imagined communities take on the Q, based on not-so-imagined factors like ethnicity, race, history, culture and language. If we could create models like those you mentioned, on a much larger basis, then would they not be doomed to fail? Why would this newly constructed community withstand the hourglass of history and its cold, unpredictable happenings when it has no reason to remain intact? If Nations are not loved by their People, and are not defended with all the Folk's might, then what would be the glue that would keep them together? Nations are much, much more than mere coexistence in a geographic area. They are very much one of the engines of history - their movements, strategies with dealing with one another, and internal happenings shape and define historical narratives.

Coexistence is one thing - often a situation brought about by uncontrollable factors - but the formation of a State which actually has a purpose? Where does that come from? Reversion to tribal identities seems inevitable and the journey back to those identities will cause much bloodshed in a model you describe, heck it has caused bloodshed throughout history from the Balkans, to Britain, to the Mongolian plains and the South African veld.

A Nation is more than the aforementioned factors - it includes a Spirit, a raison d'être, and will crumble when and if it's Spirit fades.

[Longbowman]

It's really interesting, isn't it, but the first question that pops into my head when reading your response is... "well, just what is a Nation?" The most common response would be the imagined communities take on the Q, based on not-so-imagined factors like ethnicity, race, history, culture and language. If we could create models like those you mentioned, on a much larger basis, then would they not be doomed to fail? Why would this newly constructed community withstand the hourglass of history and its cold, unpredictable happenings when it has no reason to remain intact? If Nations are not loved by their People, and are not defended with all the Folk's might, then what would be the glue that would keep them together? Nations are much, much more than mere coexistence in a geographic area. They are very much one of the engines of history - their movements, strategies with dealing with one another, and internal happenings shape and define historical narratives.

Coexistence is one thing - often a situation brought about by uncontrollable factors - but the formation of a State which actually has a purpose? Where does that come from? Reversion to tribal identities seems inevitable and the journey back to those identities will cause much bloodshed in a model you describe, heck it has caused bloodshed throughout history from the Balkans, to Britain, to the Mongolian plains and the South African veld.

A Nation is more than the aforementioned factors - it includes a Spirit, a raison d'être, and will crumble when and if it's Spirit fades.

What you say has some truth, but actually the character of nations varies by century and continent. The concept of an ethnostate only arose in the 19th century. If your goal is to maintain today's culture and demographics for the future, then of course, limit immigration, but I don't have any goals for the future of mankind; the future is for our children to decide.

Essentially it boils down to values. You and I value different things. You value the State as a living, breathing entity with its own character and moral code; I value the State as the people that inhabit it.

[Fenrir]

What you say has some truth, but actually the character of nations varies by century and continent.

States are formed for specific reasons, and remain intact because of the Will of the inhabitants, and the models you outlined above have no reason to remain intact. That's my central point. They're doomed to collapse and have done so throughout history.


The concept of an ethnostate only arose in the 19th century.

Not true, the concept has been developed since at least Herodotus in writing, and long before if we go by tribalism. You see, you're fallaciously tracing its origins to the rise of the modern nation state, which is a form of the base rate fallacy. The idea of ethnic communities in enclaves wishing to master their own future must be as old as the tribal unit of human society.


If your goal is to maintain today's culture and demographics for the future, then of course, limit immigration, but I don't have any goals for the future of mankind; the future is for our children to decide.

I have no goals for Mankind. I only desire the success and continuity of my Nation.


Essentially it boils down to values. You and I value different things. You value the State as a living, breathing entity with its own character and moral code; I value the State as the people that inhabit it.

States bind people into a single organic entity, with the binding force being the natural unifying force of the inhabitants. By definition it has a monopoly on force. The character of the State is determined by the character of the People. Its authority is derived by the consent of the People when properly organic. Therefore it can be said that outside of the State nothing exists - because it is the very existence of the State that sets the parameters for - and upholds - the morality of the People. It is the State that upholds the rule of law, and that law is the basis of that People's society. Again, outside of the State nothing exists - it's an abyss.

[Longbowman]

States are formed for specific reasons, and remain intact because of the Will of the inhabitants, and the models you outlined above have no reason to remain intact. That's my central point. They're doomed to collapse and have so throughout history.

Many states are formed for reasons other than ethnicity. The US, for example. States can find new purposes, or merge, or simply give way to something new. You see, we don't value them in the same way.


Not true, the concept has been developed since at least Herodotus in writing, and long before if we go by tribalism. You see, you're fallaciously tracing its origins to the rise of the modern nation state, which is a form of the base rate fallacy. The idea of ethnic communities in enclaves wishing to master their own future must be as old as the tribal unit of human society.

Sure but by 250 the Romans let anyone become a citizen, for example. Either way the point is not relevant.


I have no goals for Mankind. I only desire the success and continuity of my Nation.

The way you value your nation makes what you think make sense, but you must understand, I don't value it in that way.


States bind people into a single organic entity, with the binding force being the natural unifying force of the inhabitants. By definition it has a monopoly on force. The character of the State is determined by the character of the People. Its authority is derived by the consent of the People when properly organic. Therefore it can be said that outside of the State nothing exists - because it is the very existence of the State that sets the parameters for - and upholds - the morality of the People. It is the State that upholds the rule of law, and that law is the basis of that People's society. Again, outside of the State nothing exists - it's an abyss.

Yes, I used to think like that, but I came to realise the state exists for the people, not the other way round.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Yes, I used to think like that, but I came to realise the state exists for the people, not the other way round.

Another interesting perspective is to say that it's the state that creates people and the nation.
Anyway, this has nothing to do with Nicki Minaj.

[Longbowman]

Another interesting perspective is to say that it's the state that creates people and the nation.
Anyway, this has nothing to do with Nicki Minaj.

I know. I think the people form the state.

Oh hush. We've improved this thread.

[KawaiiKawaii]

I know. I think the people form the state.

Oh hush. We've improved this thread.

I prefer Nicki Minaj.

[TheForeigner]

Not sure what you are arguing for or against Longbowman. You say it's the people and not the State that matters and that's true. But than you argue the opposite and for what is good for the State or rulling classes at a given moment. Or do you define '' the people'' as everyone living in one given country , rather than a true nation or folk with a common identity, culture, history and common origins and interests? Everytime I read what Fenrir writes, I feel I'm reading from a radical right nationalist or ultraconservative lecture or bits of an essay or lecture. I say that in a respectul way.:) It's classic fascist thinking to claim the State as the most important thing in the world.

[Longbowman]

Not sure what you are arguing for or against Longbowman. You say it's the people and not the State that matters and that's true. But than you argue the opposite and for what is good for the State or rulling classes at a given moment. Or do you define '' the people'' as everyone living in one given country , rather than a true nation or folk with a common identity, culture, history and common origins and interests? Everytime I read what Fenrir writes, I feel I'm reading from a radical right nationalist or ultraconservative lecture or bits of an essay or lecture. I say that in a respectul way.:) It's classic fascist thinking to claim the State as the most important thing in the world.

The part in bold, perhaps I should say the citizenry instead of the people to avoid confusion. And I agree about Fenrir. It's how I used to think anyway.

[TheForeigner]

You can speak of the people in the way you define them, but I wasn't sure about who you were referring to. Most forum members are very nationalist and reactionary and you admit that you used to be too. I think both the State and the people are important and go hand in hand. The State is the creation and property of the people and not the other way around(usually).

[Fenrir]

Many states are formed for reasons other than ethnicity. The US, for example. States can find new purposes, or merge, or simply give way to something new. You see, we don't value them in the same way.

The U.S was most certainly formed on the basis of ethnicity, in the broader sense of the term - it was formed by Anglo-Saxon Brits and racially similar People in Europe and membership in the new State was explicitly restricted to certain people right from the first promulgation of immigration laws.

We don't value States in the same way because you, simply put, don't value the State.



Yes, I used to think like that, but I came to realise the state exists for the people, not the other way round.

That's a false dichotomy; it's not one or the other. The State obviously exists for the People. The question is what makes a State organic, natural, and that is when it both exists for the People and is served by the People.

“Men did not love Rome because she was great. She was great because they had loved her.” ― G.K. Chesterton

[Grenzland]

I love her. I think she is the voice of our generation, and this music video proves it further.

Are you serious? :lol:

[Longbowman]

The U.S was most certainly formed on the basis of ethnicity, in the broader sense of the term - it was formed by Anglo-Saxon Brits and racially similar People in Europe and membership in the new State was explicitly restricted to certain people right from the first promulgation of immigration laws.

We don't value States in the same way because you, simply put, don't value the State.

No, I don't value the ethnostate. And the first laws that restricted immigration didn't happen for 150 years, until the 1920s. The constitution does not mention ethnic Britons and if it had it'd still be the people's perogative to change that, just as the Wilson administration did by restricting immigration to northwest Europeans on the basis of Madison Grant's 1910s scientific racism.


That's a false dichotomy; it's not one or the other. The State obviously exists for the People. The question is what makes a State organic, natural, and that is when it both exists for the People and is served by the People.

“Men did not love Rome because she was great. She was great because they had loved her.” ― G.K. Chesterton

Poetic but not connected to your point.

[TheForeigner]

[QUOTE=Longbowman;3187645]No, I don't value the ethnostate. And the first laws that restricted immigration didn't happen for 150 years, until the 1920s. The constitution does not mention ethnic Britons and if it had it'd still be the people's perogative to change that, just as the Wilson administration did by restricting immigration to northwest Europeans on the basis of Madison Grant's 1910s scientific racism.


I think you Longbowman don't love the State or the British people(strictly defined) anymore, but just people in general, provided they are not totally unlovable. You are a well meaning liberal or leftist of some kind.

[Longbowman]

I think you Longbowman don't love the State or the British people(strictly defined) anymore, but just people in general, provided they are not totally unlovable. You are a well meaning liberal or leftist of some kind.

I kind of like that description of me, so I'll let it stand. You're wrong about the state though, though I no longer inherently love the mechanisms of the state.

[TheForeigner]

Also I think immigration was restricted because of the negative effects on the job marker at the time, lack of quick assimilation of large immigrant populations, higher crime rates(Al Capone's family, other mobsters etc.) and just too many foreigners. Also it was the 1921 and 1924 immigration acts under Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge, respectively. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

[Longbowman]

Also I think immigration was restricted because of the negative effects on the job marker at the time, lack of quick assimilation of large immigrant populations, higher crime rates(Al Capone's family, other mobsters etc.) and just too many foreigners. Also it was the 1921 and 1924 immigration acts under Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge, respectively. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

Thank you. As we can see, not quite 1776. Although it's besides the point anyway.

[TheForeigner]

I kind of like that description of me, so I'll let it stand. You're wrong about the state though, though I no longer inherently love the mechanisms of the state.

I can believe you love the State considering what some of it's policies and precepts today are. How do you describe yourself ideologically?

[TheForeigner]

Thank you. As we can see, not quite 1776. Although it's besides the point anyway.

I don't get what you meant.

[TheBlondeSalad]

"She was sitting down on that big butt. But I was still staring at the titties though" :lol:

From what I've seen, she hasn't one iota of talent. She'll make her dough and be in the dumpster in two or three years :bored:

[Leto]

I think you Longbowman don't love the State or the British people(strictly defined) anymore, but just people in general, provided they are not totally unlovable. You are a well meaning liberal or leftist of some kind.
He is also a Marxist.:D:cool:

[Longbowman]

I can believe you love the State considering what some of it's policies and precepts today are. How do you describe yourself ideologically?

Indeed. Radical moderate.


I don't get what you meant.

Only that the US was not created as an ethnostate (though blacks were certainly not equal).


He is also a Marxist.:D:cool:

This is news.

[TheForeigner]

He is also a Marxist.:D:cool:

He never said that I think. Doesn't seem so.

[TheForeigner]

Only that the US was not created as an ethnostate (though blacks were certainly not equal).





Actually the founding fathers did spoke of reclaiming the rights of American settlers, as Englishmen! They also wrote or spoke of the Anglo-Saxon and even Teutonic ancient traditions of liberty. But they did not put any of it into the Constitution and didn't create an explicit ethnostate and even not a proper nation-state. That was their mistake, but they weren't modern day multiculturalists of any stripe. Jefferson and Washington even warned of the perils of industrialism and mass foreign immigration.

[Longbowman]

Actually the founding fathers did spoke of reclaiming the rights of American settlers, as Englishmen! They also wrote or spoke of the Anglo-Saxon and even Teutonic ancient traditions of liberty. But they did not put any of it into the Constitution and didn't create an explicit ethnostate and even not a proper nation-state. That was their mistake, but they weren't modern day multiculturalists of any stripe. Jefferson and Washington even warned of the perils of industrialism and mass foreign immigration.

No, they weren't multiculturalists, but at the time there were lots of non-Anglos there, and they accepted that prejudicing those other whites was not on.

[Leto]

He never said that I think. Doesn't seem so.
I think AngloJew said that.

[Longbowman]

I think AngloJew said that.

PBUH.

[TheForeigner]

No, they weren't multiculturalists, but at the time there were lots of non-Anglos there, and they accepted that prejudicing those other whites was not on.

How could they have prejudice them?

[TheForeigner]

PBUH.

Huh? Anyway, I doubt you are a Marxist or that AngloJew is one.

[Longbowman]

Huh? Anyway, I doubt you are a Marxist or that AngloJew is one.

Peace Be Upon Him (Anglojew).

[TheForeigner]

Peace Be Upon Him (Anglojew).

I see he does call you Marxist on another thread, but have to go now.:)

[Harley]

I got to page 9 then forgot what this entire thread was about.

Marketing ploy, how can it be anything but that?

Aside from that, I tend to think that applied mathematics is the ultimate universal language, and music, rap included, is definitely clued into that. Has anyone ever tried to freestyle a song or lyrics over an instrumental? Powerful stuff that can be dishearteningly awkward because it's rough to get that flow going and let the words spill out.

I think each genre of music services a type of mood, each of these songs like music therapy for certain moods. I usually listen to Minaj if I want to feel aggressive, without having to show aggressiveness to someone else.