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Tooting Carmen
11-11-2014, 10:01 PM
Just to see what members think.

Obscene
11-11-2014, 10:02 PM
I don't see a poll?

SardiniaAtlantis
11-11-2014, 10:05 PM
Marijuana.

Tooting Carmen
11-11-2014, 10:05 PM
I don't see a poll?

It's just been added. Btw, I'd like to state that many of the aforementioned I most definitely do not support legalising myself, but I would like to see others' opinions.

Leto
11-11-2014, 10:07 PM
Basically nothing. Only some drugs like cannabis and mind-opening psychedelics.

Obscene
11-11-2014, 10:09 PM
I think prostitution, euthanasia, guns and abortion should be legalized.

Instinct
11-11-2014, 10:10 PM
Drugs
Prostitution
Euthanasia
Abortion on demand.

Äijä
11-11-2014, 10:15 PM
Prostitution, this is to minimize the crime around it.
Euthanasia, people should have the right to stop their pains.
Guns, they bring power to the people.

Some drugs, certain abortions, but not all.

Linebacker
11-11-2014, 10:16 PM
Guns are the first and most important thing that should be legal in every single country.

Second Prostitution,which makes a lot of money trough taxing for the country.

Third Marijuana,no single other drug should be legal,but weed needs to be legalized and also taxed.

Mortimer
11-11-2014, 10:19 PM
Drugs(Canabis only) and Prostitution (but Prostitution is already legal here)

Seraph of the End
11-11-2014, 10:22 PM
Euthanasia and abortion on demand (only in some special cases tho. Other than that it's a huge problem)

Minesweeper
11-11-2014, 10:27 PM
Prostitution, euthanasia and guns. Those are only categories that deserve unconditional legalization. Some deserve conditional and some are disgusting and should remain illegal forever.

Merida
11-11-2014, 10:35 PM
- Marijuana; there's a whole unnecessary business behind it. Although I wouldn't apply it to other drugs.
- Prostitution.
- Euthanasia.
- Abortion on demand; in some cases, and it should also be accompanied by education.

alfieb
11-11-2014, 10:42 PM
Drugs, prostitution, guns, violent porn.

Melina
11-11-2014, 10:43 PM
The drug that should be legalized is DMT (Dimethyltryptamine). But I highly doubt it ever will since it would make the people stronger, less frightened, more intelligent and probably less submissive. Ridiculous you get 40 years to life for this. Yet it isn't addictive. Here they put it as a "class A drug". Yet it isn't a "drug". It is a natural substance found in all life forms.

Guns should be legalized to prevent tyranny.

Euthanasia should also be legal. I don't get the hype for trying to keep severely ill individuals alive when they wish to die of excruciating pain.

Argonian
11-11-2014, 10:46 PM
Shouting 'fire' where there is none. Really damn good way to get an afternoon off work.

Dandelion
11-11-2014, 10:47 PM
A great 'but' on the drugs. Heroine or meth of course should remain illegal. However, marijuana, while harmful should be legal. I also left out 'violent pornography', but actually I think it should be legal as long as it's fake (I still think 'rape porn' is too disgusting to tick that option).
And then there is incest. I neither dared ticking that one. I am personally against it.

However, I think it should be legal just be shunned. I don't care if there's consensual incest between two people, as long as they know it's not healthy to reproduce with one another and that they realise their relationship will be frowned upon.

alfieb
11-11-2014, 10:48 PM
Doctors are supposed to save lives. They take an oath not to do the reverse.

If someone wants to "pull the plug" so to speak, then it should be a relative of the patient, and not a healthcare professional. Doctor-assisted suicide and state-endorsed killing (capital punishment) are both things that make me very uncomfortable.

Once you introduce the responsibility to a doctor that they should kill you if you're in pain, you're changing the dynamics of the doctor-patient relationship and turning it on its head.

Dandelion
11-11-2014, 10:50 PM
Oh yeah, I also think euthanasia should be an option for those who are in extreme suffering. It should be regulated by doctors though and both the physician as the patient must agree. This is however quite complicated with Alzheimer patients who give consent before it gets too advanced, usually not enough to warrant euthanasia.

Tooting Carmen
11-11-2014, 10:50 PM
Doctors are supposed to save lives. They take an oath not to do the reverse.

If someone wants to "pull the plug" so to speak, then it should be a relative of the patient, and not a healthcare professional. Doctor-assisted suicide and state-endorsed killing (capital punishment) are both things that make me very uncomfortable.

Once you introduce the responsibility to a doctor that they should kill you if you're in pain, you're changing the dynamics of the doctor-patient relationship and turning it on its head.

But if the patient has an irreversible illness and asks for it, why should the doctor risk facing the wrath of the courts?

Melina
11-11-2014, 10:54 PM
Doctors are supposed to save lives. They take an oath not to do the reverse.

Once you introduce the responsibility to a doctor that they should kill you if you're in pain, you're changing the dynamics of the doctor-patient relationship and turning it on its head.

If you think most doctors care about their patient I have a sad reality check to give you. Most of them don't want to pull the plug so more money can go to the hospitals and big pharmacy companies. It is the patients decision at the end. Plus I just came from a hospital because of a family member and I can tell you that doctors barely spend time with their patients. If anything they spend a minute or two to ask them what they are feeling and put more drugs into their system.

alfieb
11-11-2014, 10:55 PM
But if the patient has an irreversible illness and asks for it, why should the doctor risk facing the wrath of the courts?
Because a doctor should never kill someone. It flies in the face of the concept of what a doctor is.

I care less about the patient's suffering than I do about the implications attached to giving doctors the responsibility and the authority to kill their patients, all the while being paid to do so.

alfieb
11-11-2014, 10:57 PM
If you think most doctors care about their patient I have a sad reality check to give you. Most of them don't want to pull the plug so more money can go to the hospitals and big pharmacy companies. It is the patients decision at the end. Plus I just came from a hospital because of a family member and I can tell you that doctors barely spend time with their patients. If anything they spend a minute or two to ask them what they are feeling and put more drugs into their system.

Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. I was in the hospital for a month, and saw the doctor a handful of times.

But if someone is to kill a sick person in order to alleviate their suffering, it should be a friend or a relative and not a healthcare professional whose primary responsibility is to prolong your life. Once you discard the Hippocratic Oath, you've opened the door to doctors having zero moral or ethical responsibilities.

Melina
11-11-2014, 10:57 PM
Because a doctor should never kill someone. It flies in the face of the concept of what a doctor is.

I care less about the patient's suffering than I do about the implications attached to giving doctors the responsibility and the authority to kill their patients, all the while being paid to do so.

Doctors kill when they prescribe abilify, prozac, Zoloft and so on. They give deadly cocktails each day so...

Tooting Carmen
02-17-2015, 12:18 AM
bump

ShannonFlynn
03-03-2015, 03:49 AM
Only Euthanasia should be legalized because all of the others things have some bad effects on the society but Euthanasia don't have too much cases and can't effects the society.

Sarmatian
03-03-2015, 04:57 AM
All drugs should be de-criminalized. It should be medical problem, not a criminal. The very fact they are illegal automatically boost revenue from drugs hundreds percents and creates incentives to lure people into them by force or manipulation.

Prostitution should be legalized too. Such move will neutralize all the criminal activities around it and local budgets will have some inflow of extra taxes.

Euthanasia should be legal, if one want's to go for a reason there shouldn't be any moral dilemma around it.

Gun should be legal and available to most. It will result in all the nuts and imbeciles going extinct after a while and society will only benefit from it.

Desaix DeBurgh
03-03-2015, 04:59 AM
I voted that everyone of those options should be legalized but in regards to pedophilia it should be up to the parents, rather than the state, whether to sanction it or not for their offspring.


However, since I am a libertarian why wouldn't you expect me to vote for every single one of those things to be legal ?

Kazimiera
03-03-2015, 05:14 AM
I voted that everyone of those options should be legalized but in regards to pedophilia it should be up to the parents, rather than the state, whether to sanction it or not for their offspring.


However, since I am a libertarian why wouldn't you expect me to vote for every single one of those things to be legal ?

Pedophilia and bestiality? Seriously??

You get those sick fucks who'd have children for the reason of supplying them to porn rings etc. Just because you ARE a parent, that doesn't mean you are FIT to be a parent.

Kazimiera
03-03-2015, 05:30 AM
Although it doesn't sit comfortably, I could still go with incest. If they are two consenting adults then it isn't really anybody's business.

I didn't vote for violent porn, since I'm not a pornography fan. But if two consenting adults want to do such a thing then it isn't my business either. Although it is a fine line since many of these poor girls are kidnapped and trafficked. It is a grey area for me.

But when it involves children and animals, I put my little foot down very hard.

rhiannon
03-03-2015, 06:03 AM
Although it doesn't sit comfortably, I could still go with incest. If they are two consenting adults then it isn't really anybody's business.

I didn't vote for violent porn, since I'm not a pornography fan. But if two consenting adults want to do such a thing then it isn't my business either. Although it is a fine line since many of these poor girls are kidnapped and trafficked. It is a grey area for me.

But when it involves children and animals, I put my little foot down very hard.

Agree with this.

I didn't vote for abortion on demand either because that made it sound like I'd be voting for women to run around getting abortions willy nilly with no thought put into the process. Obviously I don't think this should be the case.

I am pro choice, though.

Most drugs ought be legalized....except for Meth. That shit destroys people, not to mention erasing the maternal instinct :(

Prisoner Of Ice
03-03-2015, 06:09 AM
Guns and drugs.

Breedingvariety
03-03-2015, 06:11 AM
Guns and butter.

Tooting Carmen
01-11-2017, 04:12 PM
bump

The Blade
01-12-2017, 12:12 PM
Euthanasia and abortion should definitely be legalized.
Weeds also (but no other drug).
Fuckin' pedophiles should be hanged/shot in public. Perverts who have sex with animals or elderly people, too.
Incest is a gross thing - I don't understand how could some people want to legalize it.
I am also against guns legalizing. The last thing we need is every idiot having a lethal weapon.

Desperado
01-12-2017, 12:15 PM
Everything except incest/bestiality/pedophilia

Antimage
01-12-2017, 12:20 PM
"Shouting fire when there is none"
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/2c/2c2a5c8115e9f4a658834871ecff2b5518a2b3aef70aa712aa a09ea6d55f99b0.jpg

alnortedelsur
01-12-2017, 02:39 PM
I think only drugs (but only drugs like marijuana), prostitution, euthanasia and guns should be legalized.

Euthanasia should be allowed in case of terminal patients who otherwise would have a long and painful death.

Prostitution should be legal, but forced prostitution should be prosecuted.

And guns should be legalized, but making sure that only responsible people, with zero criminal records, and with the due psychological evaluations, should be allowed to have guns for purposes of self defense.

The other things like paedophilia, bestiality, incest, abortion on demand, violent porno, etc should NOT be legalized.

I see abortion on demand as a degenerate thing that should not be legalized. Abortion should only be legal in very special circumstances, like when the fetus has some malformation, or maybe if the woman was raped, and stuff like that, but not any unresponsive woman who has a healthy pregnancy and got pregnant with consented sex should be allowed to abort, just because they don't want to face the consequences of their irresponsibility, or just because they don't want to spoil their figure :picard1:. Free and on demand abortions is one of the things that are contributing more to white genocide. European countries, with their problem of low birth rate among their natives, cannot permit such degenerative thing as abortion free and on demand. Then, they would wonder why is their population being replaced by third world hordes :picard1:

Herr Abubu
01-12-2017, 03:03 PM
Guns and only guns. Nothing else. Everything else should be punished as harshly as possible. Before someone starts using libertarian cookie-cutter arguments against that notion, it has worked historically. The American war on drugs isn't a war on drugs but a war on competitors and on prices.

Tooting Carmen
10-17-2017, 11:36 PM
bump

Tooting Carmen
03-16-2018, 08:37 PM
bump

Óttar
03-16-2018, 08:41 PM
Drugs (all of them with the possible exception of meth and fentanyl), prostitution, euthanasia, abortion, guns (maybe simple handguns and hunting rifles), porn.

TheForeigner
03-16-2018, 08:42 PM
Voted for drugs,prostitution and euthanasia.

Yaglakar
03-16-2018, 08:43 PM
Guns are the first and most important thing that should be legal in every single country.

What is the point in your gym subscription then? Does not make sense in your case since some ectomorph can shoot you. :D I would feel a lot safer if someone attacked me with a cold weapon.

Smeagol
03-16-2018, 08:46 PM
Guns, euthanasia, abortion.

Kamal900
03-16-2018, 08:55 PM
Guns, euthanasia, abortion.

Same, but I only want to legalize abortion for certain cases like being raped and carrying the baby of the rapist and so on. I certainly don't want to legalize abortion for liberal reasons like feminism and so on.

Bulg
03-16-2018, 09:03 PM
None.

Magnolia
03-16-2018, 09:09 PM
It depends on the level of a society's responsibility and their value system.

I'm pretty sure that in my society is people's attitude to guns so responsible and human life taken as a high value that we don't need gun's laws at all.
Well the situation has been changed with immigrants.

Pennywise
03-16-2018, 09:38 PM
Euthanasia and abortion should be legal under all circumstances. The rest should be prohibited except for guns and drugs, depending on the circumstances.

Bobby Martnen
03-18-2018, 09:00 AM
Fire and guns

Tooting Carmen
11-26-2018, 09:55 PM
bump

GreentheViper
11-26-2018, 10:38 PM
Prostitution and Euthenasia

I'd also say Drugs but I'd only want Marajuana, none of the others.

Bogdan
11-29-2018, 11:47 AM
Guns.
Abortion and euthanasia in extreme situtions.

Tooting Carmen
12-10-2018, 01:06 PM
bump

Valedictorian
12-10-2018, 11:53 PM
Drugs, guns and rock and roll (pretty much everything but incest, bestiality and pedophilia)

Tooting Carmen
12-11-2018, 12:01 AM
Drugs, guns and rock and roll (pretty much everything but incest, bestiality and pedophilia)

I support gun control, because guns (or rather their owners) are behind so much violence. But I also support the controlled legalisation and regulation of drugs - the War on Drugs (not least in Colombia) is a far greater threat to life and liberty than any narcotic is on its own.

Joso
12-11-2018, 11:36 PM
These things should not be statised at first. It is not like the State is efficient at being at the command of anything

Erronkari
12-12-2018, 12:04 AM
Euthanasia, Prostitution and Guns.
Abortion only if the life of the mother is in danger, in case of rape and if mother is inable to keep the baby (economical situation included).

Tooting Carmen
12-12-2018, 12:06 AM
Euthanasia, Prostitution and Guns.
Abortion only if the life of the mother is in danger, in case of rape and if mother is inable to keep the baby (economical situation included).

Interestingly, I believe that prostitution is legal in Argentina and many other Latin American countries, which curiously makes them more liberal (in the classical sense) than most of the West is.

Tooting Carmen
12-19-2018, 01:07 AM
bump

The Lawspeaker
12-19-2018, 01:10 AM
Drugs and guns. And I mis-clicked: euthanasia. Suicide is a sin but let's keep it between the patient and the Lord.

Arsen_
12-20-2018, 07:59 PM
Drugs, Prostitution, Euthanasia and Guns is a must to be legalised for mentally healthy capable citizens.

Also I would like the concept of Paedophilia to be carefully clarified. What is Paedophilia and what is not. I would not like our grandparents, great-grandmothers and great-grandfathers to be qualified as pedophiles just because of early marriages and childbirths.

Prinses
12-20-2018, 08:09 PM
Prostitution but it's already legal here. If some women find pleasure in selling their bodies (unless they're forced) and men can't get a normal woman, why not. :roll eyes

Universe
12-20-2018, 08:10 PM
Shouting "fire" when there is noneWtf

Kivan
12-20-2018, 08:32 PM
Prostitution but it's already legal here. If some women find pleasure in selling their bodies (unless they're forced) and men can't get a normal woman, why not. :roll eyes

lol hahahaha

Tooting Carmen
04-01-2019, 11:30 PM
bump

Tigranes
04-01-2019, 11:35 PM
Smoking should be 'illegal' also.

The Lawspeaker
04-01-2019, 11:36 PM
Prostitution but it's already legal here. If some women find pleasure in selling their bodies (unless they're forced) and men can't get a normal woman, why not. :roll eyes

If anything should be banned , it's prostitution.

Ice
04-01-2019, 11:40 PM
Drugs
Prostitution
Euthanasia
Abortion on demand
Guns

FinalFlash
04-01-2019, 11:44 PM
Guns, guns and guns.

Ayetooey
04-01-2019, 11:46 PM
None of them.

Crimean
04-01-2019, 11:47 PM
If you legalize weapons in Russia, it will immediately start a war of indigenous peoples against migrants from Asia and the Caucasus (incl. Semites). There will be rivers of blood.

Prinses
04-02-2019, 05:41 AM
If anything should be banned , it's prostitution.

I think it isn’t a big problem like the others in the list. If those girls want to do that for money from desperate men without pressure it’s their choice

Borealis
04-02-2019, 05:44 AM
Euthanasia

The Lawspeaker
04-02-2019, 06:37 AM
I think it isn’t a big problem like the others in the list. If those girls want to do that for money from desperate men without pressure it’s their choice

I disagree. I consider it to be a real moral ill that should be dealt with for the good of society.

Tooting Carmen
04-30-2019, 08:53 AM
I disagree. I consider it to be a real moral ill that should be dealt with for the good of society.

Do you really think Amsterdam's brothels have wrecked the city that much?

The Lawspeaker
04-30-2019, 08:55 AM
Do you really think Amsterdam's brothels have wrecked the city that much?

Yes. Good and simple. Same goes for the soft-drugs and the overall permissive climate. The fact that the city looks better now is purely cosmetic and because the central government decided to invest in the city just to draw in more tourists and their money. Amsterdam is bankrupt. Financially and morally bankrupt. All this corrupt wheeling and dealing has turned the city into the most corrupt in the country (a veritable Naples on the IJ).

I remember Amsterdam before they patched it up and it wasn't a pretty sight. Stop the investments and it will return to that state.

The Lawspeaker
04-30-2019, 09:05 AM
Here is an article (https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2019/03/12/corruptie-is-al-in-hoofdstad-geworteld-nu-volgen-noodgrepen-a3952854) in the NRC about it and its very recent. Corruption focusses itself on the Red Light District, the police force and local government. A couple of years ago, they discussed placing Amsterdam in a so-called Artikel 12 (https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/amsterdam-mogelijk-onder-curatele-van-het-rijk~ba360eb3/)-status, which means that they placed under direct control of the central government because of the city's financial mismanagement and corruption. In the Netherlands, being placed in Artikel 12 is a humiliation. If Greece was a part of the Dutch Realm, they would be under Artikel 12.

Dragoon
04-30-2019, 09:05 AM
None of them. Most of those things should be criminal.

Tooting Carmen
04-30-2019, 09:07 AM
Drugs, Prostitution, Euthanasia and Guns is a must to be legalised for mentally healthy capable citizens.

Also I would like the concept of Paedophilia to be carefully clarified. What is Paedophilia and what is not. I would not like our grandparents, great-grandmothers and great-grandfathers to be qualified as pedophiles just because of early marriages and childbirths.

Who said only women could be prostitutes? And yes, the age of consent and marriage laws are a grey area.

Tooting Carmen
04-30-2019, 09:09 AM
Here is an article (https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2019/03/12/corruptie-is-al-in-hoofdstad-geworteld-nu-volgen-noodgrepen-a3952854) in the NRC about it and its very recent. Corruption focusses itself on the Red Light District, the police force and local government.

Yet still most years Transparency International ranks the Netherlands as being the least corrupt non-Scandinavian country bar New Zealand and Singapore.

The Lawspeaker
04-30-2019, 09:10 AM
Yet still most years Transparency International ranks the Netherlands as being the least corrupt non-Scandinavian country bar New Zealand and Singapore.

Of course. But who funds Transparency International ?

Tooting Carmen
04-30-2019, 09:12 AM
Of course. But who funds Transparency International ?

A whole mix of governments, charities and private donors. But even allowing for the risk of bias in the surveys, do you seriously think the Netherlands is no less corrupt than most countries in Southern and Eastern Europe? (We don't even have to look outside of Europe to find countries that the organisation itself ranks as highly corrupt).

Tooting Carmen
04-30-2019, 09:15 AM
Of course. But who funds Transparency International ?

A whole mix of governments, charities and private donors. But even allowing for the risk of bias in the surveys, do you seriously think the Netherlands is no less corrupt than most countries in Southern and Eastern Europe? (We don't even have to look outside of Europe to find countries that the organisation itself ranks as highly corrupt).

The Lawspeaker
04-30-2019, 09:17 AM
A whole mix of governments, charities and private donors. But even allowing for the risk of bias in the surveys, do you seriously think the Netherlands is no less corrupt than most countries in Southern and Eastern Europe? (We don't even have to look outside of Europe to find countries that the organisation itself ranks as highly corrupt).

You mean like Siemens a couple of years ago ? Right after that emission scandal. You should look them up. TI is anything but transparent.

Tooting Carmen
04-30-2019, 09:23 AM
You mean like Siemens a couple of years ago ? Right after that emission scandal. You should look them up. TI is anything but transparent.

I thought it was BMW that was at the heart of the rigged emissions test scandal?

The Lawspeaker
04-30-2019, 09:25 AM
I thought it was BMW that was at the heart of the rigged emissions test scandal?


In January 2015 it was reported that Transparency International (TI) accepted $3 million from the German engineering multinational Siemens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens), which in 2008 paid one of the largest corporate corruption fines[33] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International#cite_note-33) in history – $1.6 billion – for bribing government officials in numerous countries.
Transparency International applied for and received the money from Siemens, even though TI's due diligence procedures[34] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International#cite_note-34) prohibit the organization from accepting money from corporations that want to "greenwash (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwashing)" their reputations by making donations to TI. "If any corporate donor is accused of having been involved in corruption, the donor can expect no protection from TI," the procedures state.
Transparency International received the money from the Siemens Integrity Initiative[35] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International#cite_note-35) about a year after the Initiative hired former TI staffer Jana Mittermaier, raising questions of a "revolving door" that has benefited both the organization and the company.
Several of TI's national chapters also have accepted money from Siemens: $660,000 for TI USA, $600,000 for TI Italy, $450,000 for TI Bulgaria, and $230,000 for TI Mexico – each for a period of three years.
"This really shows that Transparency International is not as pure as people think," a TI insider told Corporate Crime Reporter.
Transparency International Managing Director Cobus de Swardt said, "We did not file an application to Siemens, we applied to the Siemens Integrity Initiative. There's a difference. We have not applied to Siemens." However, according to Siemens, the money for these grants is "provided by Siemens."[36] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International#cite_note-36)[37] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International#cite_note-37)[38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International#cite_note-38)



Sorry. I was wrong but there was a corruption scandal with Siemens and they paid off TI to look better.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International#Funding_from_Siemens)An d guess what:


In January 2017, the TI Secretariat confirmed that its International Board of Directors decided on 10 January 2017 to strip its US affiliate – Transparency International USA – of its accreditation as the National Chapter in the United States.[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International#cite_note-39) Transparency International USA joins Transparency Croatia in having its credentials stripped. The stated basis for the dis-accreditation was the board's recognition of differences in philosophies, strategies, and priorities between the former chapter and the Transparency International Movement. Elsewhere, it was reported that TI-USA came to be seen in the United States as a corporate front group, funded by multinational corporations – the same multinationals that corrupt the U.S. political system. TI-USA's million-dollar budget was provided by Bechtel Corporation, Deloitte, Google, Pfizer ($50,000 or more), Citigroup, ExxonMobil, Fluor, General Electric, Lockheed Martin, Marsh & McLennan, PepsiCo, PricewaterhouseCoopers, Raytheon, Realogy, Tyco ($25,000–$49,999), and Freeport-McMoRan and Johnson & Johnson (up to $24,999).[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International#cite_note-corporatecrimereporter.com-40) TI-USA previously awarded an annual corporate leadership award to one of its big corporate funders. In 2016, this award went to Bechtel.

In April 2015 TI defended the decision by its American chapter, TI-USA, to give Hillary Clinton its Integrity Award in 2012.[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International#cite_note-41) TI's statement followed a report by National Public Radio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Radio) that Bill and Chelsea Clinton were not factual regarding the transparency of the Clinton Foundation.[42] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International#cite_note-42)


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_International#Funding_from_Siemens)

In some cases, they selectively look the other way (http://bahamaspress.com/2018/03/18/transparency-international-goes-quiet-on-oban-scandal/) as well. I suggest money may have been passed.

21993
04-30-2019, 09:28 AM
Don't we have "none" option? :D

IrisSelene
04-30-2019, 09:34 AM
Drugs: Just for medical reasons aside from Marijuana which IMO could be used for anxiety too and stress.

Prostitution: Because by legalizing it it would be more controlled.

Euthanasia: Because I think everyone is the owner of their own life and body and if they want to end it due to serious issues like a terminal illness in which their suffering outweights the chance to keep living some more, they should be allowed to and not judged. There is no reason to suffer.

Abortion: Just like it's already legal in some countries. I am in favor of abortion during the first three months. If they're past that term, no. Because I wouldn't want innocent kids coming into life just to suffer because their parents don't want them or don't know how to take care of them. Also, giving them off to adoption isn't the best option since that takes long asf and most of the time the kids aren't adopted.








Also, WHO the FUCK voted paedophilia? I hope they burn in hell.

IrisSelene
04-30-2019, 09:36 AM
It worries me that so many voted guns. As if life isn't violent and scary enough, all we need is guns for more death. :picard1:

itilvolga
04-30-2019, 09:42 AM
None but if i have to choose one: Guns.

Tooting Carmen
04-30-2019, 09:49 AM
None but if i have to choose one: Guns.

Do you mean guns like these?
https://machinegunsvegas.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/SAS_Guns-2-1.jpg

Or like these?
https://townsquare.media/site/241/files/2011/11/pierre-spies-shirtless-trophy.jpg

:D

The Lawspeaker
04-30-2019, 09:49 AM
Drugs ? We lost that war. And we lost it big time. Up until the 1900s there were no drug bans and we should return to this. It worked, so let it work again. Some people will always off themselves because they are weak and while we can tell them to be wiser, we, as a society are not their mummy and daddy. They, ultimately, control their own lives and will have to justify it in the afterlife, or they let the drugs control them.

Guns ? I believe in a well-regulated militia (but until a military draft is needed in the form of the calling up of reservists - people do not need access to military-type firearms but some practical experience may still be useful) and I believe in a Swiss-style army policy where people store and maintain their service weapons at home: if they are found stable enough to join the army, then they are stable enough to be trusted with high powered rifles (the same goes for policemen). I also believe that people should be free to buy normal rifles and revolvers after a thorough background check as I agree with the general principle that all armies are national armies and that it's an armed citizenry that keeps the government from slipping up and that this armed citizenry, like the press, is a vital institution of democracy (governments don't fear unarmed people and they will run roughshod over them).

There should be two classes of guns for two groups of people:

The Army and Police:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Walther_P99Q.jpg

https://www.defensie.nl/binaries/medium/content/gallery/defensie/content-afbeeldingen/onderwerpen/materieel/bewapening/colt-c7-c8nld-5-56mm/d150519hh0057.jpg

https://www.defensie.nl/binaries/medium/content/gallery/defensie/content-afbeeldingen/onderwerpen/materieel/bewapening/glock-17-pistool-9mm/glock17-3.jpg

And for the rest of us:

https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2016/10/19/c/1/6/c16d90e4-95fb-11e6-9814-8a830a6cf69f.jpg

http://www.b-bit.nl/BIBLIOTHEEK%20ADVERTENTIES/6b08001.jpg

itilvolga
04-30-2019, 09:50 AM
Do you mean guns like these?
https://machinegunsvegas.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/SAS_Guns-2-1.jpg

Or like these?
https://townsquare.media/site/241/files/2011/11/pierre-spies-shirtless-trophy.jpg

:D

First one.

Kivan
04-30-2019, 10:03 AM
Voted in all the options, except by abortion, paedophilia and bestiality.

Drugs: i'm okay with legalization, depending of the kind of drug, and with proper control. Also, not of my business if other like it, it's an individual choice. If stuff like alcohol and cigarettes are legal, i do not see why marijuanna couldn't be legalized, since it causes way less damage(in every aspect) than the others cited.

Prostitution: i find it disgusting, but i have nothing against it, as long as it's voluntary.

Euthanasia: only in extreme cases, and with the family consent. I don't see reason to keep a person suffering until death, it's just cruel. It also applies to animals, not only humans.

Abortion: i'm totally against it, except in extreme cases like rape. The child don't have fault of what his/her parents did. An alternative would be the mother or father give the child for adoption instead commiting such monstrosity.

Incest: I find it very disgusting(also it might lead to genetical defects), but i don't care if other do, as long as it's consensual and don't affect the life of people around.

Shouting "fire" when there is none: I agree, as long as the person is within his/her propriety and doesn't invade/affect the private propriety of others.

Guns: I'm totally favorable. Everyone has the right of defend themselves, however the owner needs to be prepared and have proper trainning to be able to own and use guns, obviously.

Violent pornography: Again, i don't care, as long as it's voluntary. Not of my business what others do with their sexual lifes.


As for paedophilia and bestiality, only a mentally ill and fucked in the head person would agree with such thing.

Nurzat
04-30-2019, 11:56 AM
only prostitution and euthanasia, the rest not, in my opinion. especially abortion is the most despicable

Tooting Carmen
06-07-2019, 10:53 PM
bump

Tooting Carmen
06-14-2019, 06:01 PM
Bump

Aldaris
06-14-2019, 06:14 PM
I can't believe so many members would support legalising prostitution. The main argument seems to be something in manner of 'well, it is going to happen anyway, and by legalising it, we minimize the associated crime'. Why do we have any laws at all then, if there would still be people breaking them? Laws aren't useless, unless everyone obeys them. By the same reasoning, I could easily justify legalising heroin and child pornography - and prostitution certainly isn't any better than those.

Roy
06-14-2019, 06:31 PM
I can't believe so many members would support legalising prostitution. The main argument seems to be something in manner of 'well, it is going to happen anyway, and by legalising it, we minimize the associated crime'. Why do we have any laws at all then, if there would still be people breaking them? Laws aren't useless, unless everyone obeys them. By the same reasoning, I could easily justify legalising heroin and child pornography - and prostitution certainly isn't any better than those.

They say it is the oldest profession in the world :coffee: Banning it won't change much, while legalizing can provide more security & control in the provision of employee rights. But on the other hand there's a problem of human trafficking involved.

Senpai
06-14-2019, 06:36 PM
Legalize prostitution, kill the pornographers.

Aldaris
06-14-2019, 06:40 PM
They say it is the oldest profession in the world :coffee: Banning it won't change much, while legalizing can provide more security & control in the provision of employee rights. But on the other hand there's a problem of human trafficking involved.

You can’t generalize like that and universally claim ‘it won’t change much’ without giving any evidence for that claim. I’m sure that provided a right set of circumstances, it could change things to a great degree. You’ve implicitly suggested, that model with no prostitution isn’t even viable, which can be shown to be false by many real world examples.

Aldaris
06-14-2019, 07:29 PM
Legalize prostitution, kill the pornographers.

An equal plague, just kill both.

Veneda
06-14-2019, 07:45 PM
Prostitution - commercialization under state control

Euthanasia - legalised as an act of free will

Moje ime
06-14-2019, 08:17 PM
Prostitution and abortion on demand.
I'm not sure euthanasia would be good thing to legalize in most countries with poor law system because it could be misused. In stable country it probably should be legal but in very limited cases, for old people, for terminal diseases etc.

Ayetooey
06-14-2019, 08:26 PM
None of them.

Ford
06-14-2019, 08:36 PM
Drugs - legalize and regulate the casual stuff, decriminalize the rest.
Prostitution - decriminalize only for the seller.
Euthanasia - legalize for certain individuals, medical practitioners should have the right to refuse without risk of losing their job.
Guns - legalized but strictly regulated.

Bellbeaking
06-14-2019, 08:46 PM
Drugs: Should be your choice to ruin (or enhance I guess?) your own life with substances if you please. Prohibition/Banning drugs does not work effectively unless you want an incredibly closed and authoritarian society with extreme punishments like Singapore. Drugs being illegal facilitates corruption of judges, politicians, and police. Addictive drugs are cheap to make, if an addict could get his drugs very cheap he would still be an addict but wouldn't have to steal or beg for money and may still be able to work a job. Profits would also be lower for drug pushers who gain a large part of their profits from having control over supply an area, which requires crime, guns and intimidation to enforce as they fight for territory. Drug use should obviously be discouraged however, as should alcohol.

Rumata
06-14-2019, 09:44 PM
Drugs >> Euthanasia - a promising combo...

The poll lacks an important option - 'None'. It's undemocratic.

Aldaris
06-15-2019, 10:20 AM
I disagree. I consider it to be a real moral ill that should be dealt with for the good of society.

You're the knight in a sour armor like me. If people even in here support the legalisation of it, we are truly lost.

Moje ime
06-15-2019, 12:27 PM
You're the knight in a sour armor like me. If people even in here support the legalisation of it, we are truly lost.

You just don't have touch with reality.

Aldaris
06-15-2019, 12:29 PM
You just don't have touch with reality.

Indeed? Elaborate then. I have already explained my reasoning.

Moje ime
06-15-2019, 12:34 PM
Indeed? Elaborate then. I have already explained my reasoning.

Prostitution was and will always be present in any society.
It's kind of natural thing, not very moral for sure but that is how it is.
Some women want to earn on their body, some men need that body, so why don't put it under government protection and take taxes.
You can't ban it, you just can have it present as illegal with all consequences it has.

Aldaris
06-15-2019, 12:53 PM
Prostitution was and will always be present in any society.
It's kind of natural thing, not very moral for sure but that is how it is.
Some women want to earn on their body, some men need that body, so why don't put it under government protection and take taxes.
You can't ban it, you just can have it present as illegal with all consequences it has.

While it can be argued, it can't be completely purged off, there are means to minimize it and ban is certainly a necessary step. As I have pointed out earlier to Roy, the claim that a society without prostitution is somehow non-viable and unrealistic can be shown to be wrong by many real world examples of societies, in which prostitution is strictly prohibited and mimimal. Regarding the other point, we have created laws to regulate our naturalistic behavior in the first place - we didn't just conform to the fact, that asocial behavior is present in society and did nothing about that, on the contrary, we devised obligatory legal systems to deal with it. We might aswell legalise murder, since it 'was and will always be present in any society'. Humans are not so naive to expect that a mere existence of laws will stop certain people from breaking them, but that doesn't make laws useless, either in practice or in theory.

Moje ime
06-15-2019, 01:08 PM
While it can be argued, it couldn't be completely purged off, there are means to minimize it and ban is certainly a necessary step. As I have pointed out earlier to Roy, the claim that a society without prostitution is somehow non-viable and unrealistic can be shown to be wrong by many real world examples of societies, in which prostitution is strictly prohibited and mimimal. Regarding the other point, we have created laws to regulate our naturalistic behavior in the first place - we didn't just conform to the fact, that asocial behavior is present in society and do nothing about that, on the contrary, we devised obligatory legal systems to deal with it. We might aswell legalise murder, since it 'was and will always be present in any society'. Humans are not so naive to expect that a mere existence of a law will stop certain people from breaking them, but that doesn't make them useless, either in practice or in theory.

I'm not for oppression of that kind because it is counterproductive.

Legal prostitution would actually protect women, those who are in that business and all others because society won't be full of sexually frustrated men.

You can't compare murder with prostitution for obvious reasons, killed person didn't want to be killed. Prostitute, if not forced, wanted to have sex for money so there is mutual satisfaction.

Question is, why are you so bothered with existence of prostitution, why is that your concern anyway?

Aldaris
06-15-2019, 01:32 PM
I'm not for oppression of that kind because it is counterproductive.

Legal prostitution would actually protect women, those who are in that business and all others because society won't be full of sexually frustrated men.

You can't compare murder with prostitution for obvious reasons, killed person didn't want to be killed. Prostitute, if not forced, wanted to have sex for money so there is mutual satisfaction.

Question is, why are you so bothered with existence of prostitution, why is that your concern anyway?

Banning something immoral is called 'oppression' now? :laugh: Why stop there then, let us call out oppression whenever any other regulation is put in place. Prostitution is a taboo topic for a reason. Anyway, you seem to use overly narrow definition of morality - as long as no direct harm done, the action is justified - something along those lines, correct? If this is the case, you've lost me already, as I have a very different definition based on principles and ideals, rather than mere consequences, but even then, as prostitution brings shame on society, it can easily be argued that it brings direct harm to the said society. Anyway, let me cut to my main point and consider this example. There was a gravedigger in my neighbourhood, who robbed the dead of their jewelry and then he sold it. Would you be ok with that? Mind you, there was no harm done, family of the deceased never found out and if he didn't stole the jewelry, it would just lay in the grave. I certainly wasn't ok with that anyway, as it is incredibly disrespectful - my point is, that morality isn't based purely on direct harm being done, but also on principles like respect, honor and dignity - and prostitution could never pass this test.

Mopi Licinius Crassus
06-15-2019, 01:41 PM
criminalising prostitution just drives the sex industry into the hands of pimps, traffickers and the underworld...and makes it more dangerous for working girls and clients

making it legal allows the industry to be relegated and safer

same for drugs

people will always be willing to pay for both...

Moje ime
06-15-2019, 01:47 PM
Banning something immoral is called 'oppression' now? :laugh: Why stop there then, let us call out oppression whenever any other regulation is put in place. Prostitution is a taboo topic for a reason. Anyway, you seem to use overly narrow definition of morality - as long as no direct harm done, the action is justified - something along those lines, correct? If this is the case, you've lost me already, as I have a very different definition based on principles and ideals, rather than mere consequences, but even then, as prostitution brings shame on society, it can easily be argued that it brings direct harm to the said society. But let me cut to my main point and consider this example. There was a gravedigger in my neighbourhood, who robbed the dead of their jewelry and then he sold it. Would you be ok with that? Mind you, there was no harm done, family of the deceased never found out and if he didn't stole the jewelry, it would just lay in the grave. I certainly wasn't ok with that anyway, as it is incredibly disrespectful - my point is, that morality isn't based purely on direct harm being done, but also on principles like respect, honor and dignity - and prostitution could never pass this test.

Of course that your example is not ok, not moral or legal and shouldn't be legal because family wouldn't like that to happen. I don't know why are you again giving such nonrelevant example to compare with prostitution. Robber from your example wouldn't be oppressed if he is not allowed to dig a grave. But random man can feel oppressed if you ban him to pay a woman for a sex.

You didn't take into consideration that sex is basic need (and robbery isn't) and you didn't answer to most important sentence in my previous post - existence of prostitution protects women from sexually frustrated men, if prostitution is legal, than it protect prostitutes as well.

Aldaris
06-15-2019, 02:15 PM
Of course that your example is not ok, not moral or legal and shouldn't be legal because family wouldn't like that to happen. I don't know why are you again giving such nonrelevant example to compare with prostitution. Robber from your example wouldn't be oppressed if he is not allowed to dig a grave. But random man can feel oppressed if you ban him to pay a woman for a sex.

You didn't take into consideration that sex is basic need (and robbery isn't) and you didn't answer to most important sentence in my previous post - existence of prostitution protects women from sexually frustrated men, if prostitution is legal, than it protect prostitutes as well.

The point of my example was that morality is more complex and has some other components, nothing more. Anyway, I certainly don't feel oppressed by not being allowed to do whatever I want. I don't think banning a random man to pay a woman for sex is somehow more oppressive than banning him to do something, we would agree he should be banned from by law, because, although there is no direct harm done, it is still immoral - I have shown in my example, that morality has some 'honor' component aswell, and such an act would violate it. As for the last point, yeah, it would be better for prostitutes, if prostitution was legalised, as the conditions would be safer for them. But this is irrelevant, as I'm not simply willing to pay the price for that, which is high indeed - legalising something incredibly immoral and degrading in the first place. Anyway, I don't actually think the issue with sexually frustrated men is so simple. Their problems don't magically go away, when they hire a hooker and overwhelming majority of them are not even willing to do it anyway for various reasons. Take a look at some sexually frustrated TA members for example - none of them is a whoremonger, despite hiring a hooker is not any less available thing for them than ordering a pizza.

Moje ime
06-15-2019, 02:31 PM
The point of my example was that morality is more complex and has some other components, nothing more. Anyway, I certainly don't feel oppressed by not being allowed to do whatever I want. I don't think banning a random man to pay a woman for sex is somehow more oppressive than banning him to do something, we would agree he should be banned from by law, because, although there is no direct harm done, it is still immoral - I have shown in my example, that morality has some 'honor' component aswell, and such an act would violate it. As for the last point, yeah, it would be better for prostitutes, if prostitution was legalised, as the conditions would be safer for them. But this is irrelevant, as I'm not simply willing to pay the price for that, which is high indeed - legalising something incredibly immoral and degrading in the first place. Anyway, I don't actually think the issue with sexually frustrated men is so simple. Their problems don't magically go away, when they hire a hooker and overwhelming majority of them are not even willing to do it anyway for various reasons. Take a look at some sexually frustrated TA members for example - none of them is a whoremonger, despite hiring a hooker is not any less available thing for them than ordering a pizza.

How are you going to ban gold diggers? That is also kind of prostitution but even more immoral since they don't have fixed price and they can't pay taxes.
Also I wouldn't forget on prostitutes as victims just like that you suggest in case of illegal prostitution because it often involves criminal activities as human trafficking.

Aldaris
06-15-2019, 03:06 PM
How are you going to ban gold diggers? That is also kind of prostitution but even more immoral since they don't have fixed price and they can't pay taxes.
Also I wouldn't forget on prostitutes as victims just like that you suggest in case of illegal prostitution because it often involves criminal activities as human trafficking.

I won't, as, unlike with prostitution, there is no way to do that. As for the second point, I have adressed it before - I'm not willing to pay the price of legalizing somethig as heinous as prostitution, even though I acknowledge the benefits for the whores.

Moje ime
06-15-2019, 03:12 PM
I won't as, unlike prostitution, there is no way to do that. As for the second point, I have adressed it before - I'm not willing to pay the price of legalizing somethig as heinous as prostitution, even though I acknowledge the benefits for the whores.

Finally you showed misogyny, after that all your "morality" fails. "Whores" in case of illegal prostitution are often underaged victimes of criminals.

Aldaris
06-15-2019, 03:15 PM
Finally you showed misogyny, after that all your "morality" fails. "Whores" in case of illegal prostitution are often underaged victimes of criminals.

When I refered to 'whores', I obviously didn't refer to cases of human trafficking or anything like that. For these, I am genuinely sorry, but for the ones, who are doing it willingly? Not for a second.

pulstar
06-15-2019, 03:18 PM
Yes, to the bold:

Drugs
Prostitution
Euthanasia
Abortion on demand
Incest
Bestiality
Pedophilia
Shouting "fire" when there is none
Guns
Violent pornography

pulstar
06-15-2019, 03:24 PM
Prostitution was and will always be present in any society.
It's kind of natural thing, not very moral for sure but that is how it is.
Some women want to earn on their body, some men need that body, so why don't put it under government protection and take taxes.
You can't ban it, you just can have it present as illegal with all consequences it has.

Exactly any kind of bans (not only prostitution) push people to do it even more. Its only governments job to stop those who would hurt other people.

Moje ime
06-15-2019, 07:49 PM
Aldaris got 10 thumbs up from one member for a discussion with me, I'm envy.
I would like to have such passionate support for my posts. :D

Mopi Licinius Crassus
06-15-2019, 08:58 PM
Aldaris got 10 thumbs up from one member for a discussion with me, I'm envy.
I would like to have such passionate support for my posts. :D

i agree with your posts on this topic

KuriousKatKommittee
06-17-2019, 02:46 AM
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RenaRyuguu
07-19-2019, 09:03 PM
Violent pornography uh this so people see it before they try it

Tooting Carmen
03-01-2020, 06:56 PM
bump

El_Abominacion
05-31-2020, 11:33 AM
Drugs: No - All currently illegal drugs should remain illegal. My stance on Marijuana is different to what it was before, as it's not just a personal issue - too many people are high behind the wheel. If Marijuana were to be legalised, the penalty for driving while high should be increased drastically. If you want to fry your brain, do it without destroying someone else's family.

Prostitution: Not at all

Euthanasia: Leaning towards no.

Abortion on demand: Big fucking no and people who perform illegal abortions should be tried for murder.

Incest: No - but the cutoff is quite subjective. If you're talking first, second cousins and around this mark then of course no, morally wrong as well as a higher rate of genetic defects as observed in the Pakistani community in the UK, of which huge swathes are the results of first cousin marriages. but fifth, sixth etc?

Bestiality: Not at all

Paedophilia: Not at all

Shouting "fire" when there is none: No

Guns: Yes - A small handheld pistol for personal defence should be legal, so long as a valid license is obtained through a strong testing process.

Violent pornography: Not at all. I'd actually extend this to all pornography.

Maurancus
05-31-2020, 03:11 PM
I couldn't be "boyfriend" of ex-prostitute, that would offer her body, herself, to any man, it's a betrayal

Tommie
06-03-2020, 05:28 PM
Euthanasia and abortion-on-demand.

-Invictus-
06-03-2020, 09:39 PM
Drugs - Cannabis should be legalized at least decriminalized. It's basically like drinking beer if you do it right. Of course, if it's abused it can be bad, but imo it's way better than hard liquor. Netherlands is a perfect example of a functioning society where marijuana is sold freely to adults. There are also industrial, economical and medical benefits that come with it. Governments profits from revenue taxes, industry benefits from cheap and easy to grow material, people with health problems benefit from CBD oil and recreational users benefit from not smoking weed with questionable quality and possible chemical additives and not being treated like literal criminals.
Synthetic drugs are awful, but I think there should be a "personal dose" for them. For example, someone gets caught with a very little amount of some illegal drug. He shouldn't be sent to jail. Most of these people are just sad and lost and are not real criminals. Sending them to jail will only make their lives worse and expose them to the real criminals. I think there should be a very big fine that pays for a required rehab after the person gets caught. All dealers and traffickers should be sent to jail of course.

Prostitution - That may look very controversial, but I think it should be legalized. I don't support it and I know that no one wants his daughter to become a prostitute, but let's face it - there will be always women who are willing to do that and sadly there are some who are forced to do it. I think it will be safer for the women practicing it and better for the economy if the business is controlled by the government and not some organized crime group. On the other hand, it should continue to be frowned upon by society. It's not something that should be accepted as normal.

Euthanasia - Should be legal. Some people will take their own live no matter what the law tells them. I think it's way better to have a contract like in Switzerland. First, it's appointed to take place in the future and a big portion of the people will change their mind with time. Second, it's way more civil than jumping from a window and other people won't be exposed to the ugly scene. Third, people with fatal illnesses can choose to end their suffering. Fourth, it's painless compared to traditional methods.

Abortion - No. I know it may come as a surprise compared to my other opinions, but it's different. Killing an unborn child is just cruel. If the woman doesn't want to take care of it, then she should give it for adoption. I know that adoption is not the best case for the kid, but there are many cases of couples who adopt children and raise them very well.

Guns - I would say no, but there were cases in my country where old people in remote villages were robbed and sometimes even killed in their own homes. Pistols and non-automatic rifles should be allowed for self-defense to people who have no criminal history and have passed psychological and safe usage tests.

All others are big NOs.

The Lawspeaker
06-04-2020, 09:50 AM
Drugs ? We lost that war. And we lost it big time. Up until the 1900s there were no drug bans and we should return to this. It worked, so let it work again. Some people will always off themselves because they are weak and while we can tell them to be wiser, we, as a society are not their mummy and daddy. They, ultimately, control their own lives and will have to justify it in the afterlife, or they let the drugs control them.

Guns ? I believe in a well-regulated militia (but until a military draft is needed in the form of the calling up of reservists - people do not need access to military-type firearms but some practical experience may still be useful) and I believe in a Swiss-style army policy where people store and maintain their service weapons at home: if they are found stable enough to join the army, then they are stable enough to be trusted with high powered rifles (the same goes for policemen). I also believe that people should be free to buy normal rifles and revolvers after a thorough background check as I agree with the general principle that all armies are national armies and that it's an armed citizenry that keeps the government from slipping up and that this armed citizenry, like the press, is a vital institution of democracy (governments don't fear unarmed people and they will run roughshod over them).

There should be two classes of guns for two groups of people:

The Army and Police:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Walther_P99Q.jpg

https://www.defensie.nl/binaries/medium/content/gallery/defensie/content-afbeeldingen/onderwerpen/materieel/bewapening/colt-c7-c8nld-5-56mm/d150519hh0057.jpg

https://www.defensie.nl/binaries/medium/content/gallery/defensie/content-afbeeldingen/onderwerpen/materieel/bewapening/glock-17-pistool-9mm/glock17-3.jpg

And for the rest of us:

https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2016/10/19/c/1/6/c16d90e4-95fb-11e6-9814-8a830a6cf69f.jpg

http://www.b-bit.nl/BIBLIOTHEEK%20ADVERTENTIES/6b08001.jpg

I don't trust the State at all so my ideas have somewhat shifted here. I think both Army, police and general population should be now be allowed to own and operate full automatic weapons. Of course - the sick, foreigners (unless married to native born citizens) and criminals should not be allowed to purchase, carry or use firearms.

Tooting Carmen
01-08-2021, 10:12 PM
bump

Ellethwyn
11-27-2021, 12:00 AM
I am torn about euthanasia. I think it would be nice to know you could choose to die what seems to be a pretty painless death, if you are suffering and terminally ill. But, i also feel that death should come naturally. All other, except for guns, should be illegal.