Barbatus' Dodecad K12b results + Oracle

[barbatus]

This at least seems more accurate than the Eurogenes results which told me I was English. Still...
Commentary?

Admix results:
1 Atlantic_Med 39.27
2 North_European 39.2
3 Caucasus 9.51
4 Gedrosia 8.14
5 Southwest_Asian 1.57
6 South_Asian 0.89
7 Northwest_African 0.78
8 Southeast_Asian 0.55
9 Siberian 0.08


Oracle:
1 French (Dodecad) 5.19
2 French (HGDP) 5.7
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 6.08
4 Dutch (Dodecad) 7.54
5 Kent (1000Genomes) 7.71
6 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 8.28
7 English (Dodecad) 8.36
8 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 9.26
9 British_Isles (Dodecad) 9.58
10 British (Dodecad) 9.81
11 German (Dodecad) 10.22
12 Argyll (1000Genomes) 11.03
13 Irish (Dodecad) 11.13
14 Orcadian (HGDP) 11.41
15 Orkney (1000Genomes) 11.63

[Jackson]

Actually this oracle won't be accurate - it's only accurate for people who were in the original run.
So you can compare your actual results with others who were not in the run as well, but you can't accurately compare yourself to the original populations.
http://bga101.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/beware-calculator-effect.html

The guy behind MDLP has tried to sort this problem in his most recent one though, the MDLP K23b (which is also on GEDmatch), so you should use that one.

Edit: My bad thought it was MDLP for some reason, although the same issue still holds true for Dodecad K12b iirc.

[Sikeliot]

Dutch should be first though, not French right?

[barbatus]

Dutch should be first though, not French right?

Well, you'd think so. I have quite a bit of French ancestry too though so, Idk. I can make a thread for the test Jackson was talking about if it's more accurate.

[barbatus]

As for these results, Dutch was still pretty up there and as for French being #1, Idk. I've got a lot of French surnames in my ancestry. French Huguenot ancestry and whatnot. It appears to be a lot more accurate than the Eurogenes test which told me I was British though. I have no known British ancestors.

[Jackson]

As for these results, Dutch was still pretty up there and as for French being #1, Idk. I've got a lot of French surnames in my ancestry. French Huguenot ancestry and whatnot. It appears to be a lot more accurate than the Eurogenes test which told me I was British though. I have no known British ancestors.

Well fundamentally the point is that the oracle won't be as accurate, whether it makes more sense or not. It doesn't tell you where your ancestors are from but rather which population you resemble the closest based on your membership of these different components. It has no concept of ethnicity, just numbers. An example would be someone who is half British half Spanish - they would likely be closest to French people genetically, despite the fact they might not have a single French ancestor. If you have ancestry from northern Germany/Netherlands and the like, and some ancestry from France you would be pulled to the south-west, and the southern English populations are to the south-west of these former populations.

Also, you may inherit different amounts of these components from your parents - so you are basically one outcome of your parent's ancestry, if you have a sibling their result would be slightly different (but basically a combination of your parents), they may be further to the north, east, south, or west etc. So you are one expression of your ancestry.

[barbatus]

Well fundamentally the point is that the oracle won't be as accurate, whether it makes more sense or not. It doesn't tell you where your ancestors are from but rather which population you resemble the closest based on your membership of these different components. It has no concept of ethnicity, just numbers. An example would be someone who is half British half Spanish - they would likely be closest to French people genetically, despite the fact they might not have a single French ancestor. If you have ancestry from northern Germany/Netherlands and the like, and some ancestry from France you would be pulled to the south-west, and the southern English populations are to the south-west of these former populations.

Also, you may inherit different amounts of these components from your parents - so you are basically one outcome of your parent's ancestry, if you have a sibling their result would be slightly different (but basically a combination of your parents), they may be further to the north, east, south, or west etc. So you are one expression of your ancestry.
My MDLP K23b results are:

1 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 4.443004
2 English @ 4.457359
3 Irish @ 4.619540
4 English_Kent_GBR @ 4.620573
5 Welsh @ 4.857404
6 Belgian @ 5.154108
7 CEU @ 5.478003
8 Frisian @ 5.509517
9 North_European @ 5.617141
10 British @ 6.005472
11 German-Volga @ 6.319627
12 South_German @ 7.090961
13 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 7.412242
14 Orcadian @ 7.949619
15 Dutch @ 8.005305
16 French @ 8.008340
17 Norwegian_East @ 10.577230
18 Icelandic @ 10.708055
19 Norwegian_West @ 10.709465
20 Italian_North @ 11.886518

It's pretty much telling me that I'm British. That's similar to the results I would imagine for someone who was literally born in England.
Even if it's like you say and I'm just genetically similar to English people due to my mixed Germanic origins, that's a strange result, don't you think?

[Not a Cop]

My MDLP K23b results are:

1 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 4.443004
2 English @ 4.457359
3 Irish @ 4.619540
4 English_Kent_GBR @ 4.620573
5 Welsh @ 4.857404
6 Belgian @ 5.154108
7 CEU @ 5.478003
8 Frisian @ 5.509517
9 North_European @ 5.617141
10 British @ 6.005472
11 German-Volga @ 6.319627
12 South_German @ 7.090961
13 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 7.412242
14 Orcadian @ 7.949619
15 Dutch @ 8.005305
16 French @ 8.008340
17 Norwegian_East @ 10.577230
18 Icelandic @ 10.708055
19 Norwegian_West @ 10.709465
20 Italian_North @ 11.886518

It's pretty much telling me that I'm British. That's similar to the results I would imagine for someone who was literally born in England.
Even if it's like you say and I'm just genetically similar to English people due to my mixed Germanic origins, that's a strange result, don't you think?

Not at all Dutch and English are close population in genetics and antrhopology, South Dutch and Flemish are closest to English anthropologically for example, there actually were some calc, which separated Dutch people, it will be interesting to compare genetic results of South Dutch and English.

[Graham]

This at least seems more accurate than the Eurogenes results which told me I was English. Still...


Would it not be hard for any new worlder to comment on what's accurate or not?

[barbatus]

Would it not be hard for any new worlder to comment on what's accurate or not?

Not really, as an Afrikaner my ancestry is Dutch, French, German and all my top results in MDLP are English, Welsh, Irish etc. British Isles peoples. So, as to my ancestry, it's not holding to what I know to be true.

[barbatus]

Not at all Dutch and English are close population in genetics and antrhopology, South Dutch and Flemish are closest to English anthropologically for example, there actually were some calc, which separated Dutch people, it will be interesting to compare genetic results of South Dutch and English.

Yes, I suppose so. I just thought it was weird.

[Not a Cop]

Yes, I suppose so. I just thought it was weird.

Nah, it's not, we have an Irish member here who often scores North-Dutch, i often get 50%Finnish+50%Ukrainian_Belgorod(N.E. of Ukraine), it's complety normal to get neighbouring populations in your matches.

[Jackson]

NW European populations are all quite closely related so there's sometimes considerable overlap.

[barbatus]

McDonald said my ancestry appears to be mostly from "the Low Countries".

[Graham]

MDLP always looks strange to me in Oracle. It's best though, if you look at the mixed Oracle to get an idea of where it plots.

[barbatus]

MDLP always looks strange to me in Oracle. It's best though, if you look at the mixed Oracle to get an idea of where it plots.

Funny that you say that.
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +50% French @ 2.506421

^Best results of anything so far. Mostly all Dutch and French surnames.

[Tchek]

This at least seems more accurate than the Eurogenes results which told me I was English. Still...
Commentary?

Admix results:
1 Atlantic_Med 39.27
2 North_European 39.2
3 Caucasus 9.51
4 Gedrosia 8.14
5 Southwest_Asian 1.57
6 South_Asian 0.89
7 Northwest_African 0.78
8 Southeast_Asian 0.55
9 Siberian 0.08


Oracle:
1 French (Dodecad) 5.19
2 French (HGDP) 5.7
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 6.08
4 Dutch (Dodecad) 7.54
5 Kent (1000Genomes) 7.71
6 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 8.28
7 English (Dodecad) 8.36
8 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 9.26
9 British_Isles (Dodecad) 9.58
10 British (Dodecad) 9.81
11 German (Dodecad) 10.22
12 Argyll (1000Genomes) 11.03
13 Irish (Dodecad) 11.13
14 Orcadian (HGDP) 11.41
15 Orkney (1000Genomes) 11.63



We have very similar results:


My results on Dodecad K12b

1 Atlantic_Med 38.93
2 North_European 36.19
3 Caucasus 11.65
4 Gedrosia 8.24
5 Southwest_Asian 3.56
6 Northwest_African 0.9
7 South_Asian 0.35
8 Southeast_Asian 0.09
9 Siberian 0.08
10 East_African 0.02

# Population (source) Distance
1 French (Dodecad) 5.75
2 French (HGDP) 6.03
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 9.46
4 Dutch (Dodecad) 11.05
5 Kent (1000Genomes) 11.08
6 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 11.73
7 English (Dodecad) 11.79
8 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 12.28
9 German (Dodecad) 12.62
10 British (Dodecad) 12.9
Not inaccurate as far as I'm concerned. I usually get tons of British results as well and I don't have any british ancestry as far as I know.

Maybe your Huguenot ancestry is giving you a british affinity due to a lot of British having huguenot ancestry themselves...?

The weird thing is that MDLP gives me totally unlikely results; my first match is German Volga. I wouldn't give too much credit on that one.

[barbatus]

We have very similar results:

Not inaccurate as far as I'm concerned. I usually get tons of British results as well and I don't have any british ancestry as far as I know.

Maybe your Huguenot ancestry is giving you a british affinity due to a lot of British having huguenot ancestry themselves...?

The weird thing is that MDLP gives me totally unlikely results; my first match is German Volga. I wouldn't give too much credit on that one.

What is your actual ancestry?

[Tchek]

What is your actual ancestry?

francophone Belgian

[barbatus]

francophone Belgian

Walloon? Makes sense we'd be similar, I think.

[Guapo]

Good for you. I'm basically an Austro-Hungarian mutt according to Dodecad K12

1 Romanians (Behar) 7.4
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.17
3 Hungarians (Behar) 9.59
4 Slovak (Yunusbayev) 9.71
5 German (Dodecad) 15.75
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.94
7 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 20.58
8 O_Italian (Dodecad) 21.57
9 Dutch (Dodecad) 21.91
10 French (Dodecad) 22.23
11 French (HGDP) 22.

[barbatus]

Good for you. I'm basically an Austro-Hungarian mutt according to Dodecad K12

1 Romanians (Behar) 7.4
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.17
3 Hungarians (Behar) 9.59
4 Slovak (Yunusbayev) 9.71
5 German (Dodecad) 15.75
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.94
7 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 20.58
8 O_Italian (Dodecad) 21.57
9 Dutch (Dodecad) 21.91
10 French (Dodecad) 22.23
11 French (HGDP) 22.

Doesn't look too surprising for a Serbian though. Makes me feel more at ease because none of yours are Serbian either but are surrounding populations. McDonald said I am of mostly ancestry from the "Low Countries".