Chuvash People

[Speedy Freedy]

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[Speedy Freedy]

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[Speedy Freedy]

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[Speedy Freedy]

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[Speedy Freedy]

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[Speedy Freedy]

Anthropologically, Chuvash people are very diverse. Large part of Chuvash people exhibit Mongoloid features. Phenotipically, 10,3% of Chuvash people have dominant Mongoloid features, with 3,5% of them having solely Mongoloid features. 63% of Chuvash people belong to mixed Mongoloid-Caucasoid types. 21% of Chuvash people have Caucasoid features - dark and light pigmentation. 5,1% of Chuvash people belongs to Sub-Lapponoid phenotype.

Anthropological types of Chuvash people, characterized by experts as Sub-Uraloid, reflect their ethnogenesis.

This has been summarised from this site: http://gov.cap.ru/hierarhy_cap.asp?page=./86/3743/1046/1057

[Speedy Freedy]

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[Speedy Freedy]

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[Dombra]

Turkified Finno-Ugrics

[Speedy Freedy]

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[KawaiiKawaii]

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What happened to this lady (or sir, don't really know)?

[Peter Nirsch]

they aren't Europeans, they look Asian

[FeederOfRavens]

they aren't Europeans, they look Asian

They're a blend between Caucasians and Mongoloids

[KawaiiKawaii]

Genetically they are more on the Euro side, though.

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Dombra was right, they are Turkified Finno-Ugrics, or something like that.

[Leto]

Turkified Finno-Ugrics
I'd say a combination of both. Their language, despite being nominally Turkic, stands pretty much apart from other Turkic languages. And they aren't Islam-influenced.

[Wild North]

Supposedly, Lenin was half-Chuvash.

[quediustu]

Chuvashs in these old pictures look much more mongoloid and even iranian than the more recent pics of them that I've seen. Perhaps they have mixed recently with russians?

[Speedy Freedy]

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[Sky earth]

Genetically they are more on the Euro side, though.

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Dombra was right, they are Turkified Finno-Ugrics, or something like that.

Previosuly scholars and linguists believed that the Chuvash language is actually a Turkicized Finno-Ugric language

[Tooting Carmen]

Very very Central Asian-looking.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Previosuly scholars and linguists believed that the Chuvash language is actually a Turkicized Finno-Ugric language

It is considered Turkic by everybody, but apparently it has diverged quite a lot. Maybe the FU influence?

[Speedy Freedy]

Very very Central Asian-looking.

Central Asian? In a sense of Turanid? I don't think so. Chuvash people can rank from Uraloid to Sub-Lapponoid and from Mongoloid to Caucasoid. But overall, Chuvash people are phenotipically classified as Sub-Uraloid. Uraloid is actually not found in Central Asia.

[Sky earth]

Very very Central Asian-looking.

I don't think so. Central Asians are darker with a more Middle Eastern look while Chuvashs look like Russians mixed with Mongols

[Trun]

Very very Central Asian-looking.

Chuvashes and Central Asians are about as different as Swedes and Greeks if not more.

[Tooting Carmen]

Chuvashes and Central Asians are about as different as Swedes and Greeks if not more.

The b/w photos with poor lighting do not help.:mad:

[KawaiiKawaii]

I don't think so. Central Asians are darker with a more Middle Eastern look while Chuvashs look like Russians mixed with Mongols

Well, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz look very Asian. Turkmen tend to be more ME, same with Ouzbeks. Don't know about the other Turkics.

All these people are fascinating. Somebody who has enough knowledge should open a thread about them with pictures and videos about their language.

[Sky earth]

It is considered Turkic by everybody, but apparently it has diverged quite a lot. Maybe the FU influence?

Yes it is a Turkic language but from a different branch which broke off from Common Turkic languages (Oghuz, Kipchak, Karluk, Siberian) a long time ago. The Chuvash language has also heavy Finno-Ugric influence

[Sky earth]

Well, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz look very Asian. Turkmen tend to be more ME, same with Ouzbeks. Don't know about the other Turkics.

All these people are fascinating. Somebody who has enough knowledge should open a thread about them with pictures and videos about their language.

Kazakhs and Kyrgyz are genetically 70 % Mongoloid and 30% Caucasoid on average. Uzbeks are slightly more Caucasoid than Mongoloid. Turkmens are Caucasoids with significant Mongoloid admixture

[KawaiiKawaii]

If somebody has videos about them (not nationalistic ones, but just speaking, TV shows, music, something about daily life), please share them.

[Speedy Freedy]

If somebody has videos about them (not nationalistic ones, but just speaking, TV shows, music, something about daily life), please share them.

Yes, but not here. This topic is about Chuvash people.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Yes, but not here. This topic is about Chuvash people.

I was asking such things about Chuvash.

[Speedy Freedy]

I was asking such things about Chuvash.

Oh, sorry. My mistake.

[Speedy Freedy]

In first video talks university teacher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bx5vyd2fok
In second video are talking Mikhail Yukhma and Yuriy Dadyukov, Chuvash writers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0gXfZ2cN0Q

[Tooting Carmen]

In first video talks university teacher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bx5vyd2fok
In second video are talking Mikhail Yukhma and Yuriy Dadyukov, Chuvash writers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0gXfZ2cN0Q

They look kind of Castizo-like. (Not exactly, but there is a similarity).

[KawaiiKawaii]

In first video talks university teacher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bx5vyd2fok
In second video are talking Mikhail Yukhma and Yuriy Dadyukov, Chuvash writers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0gXfZ2cN0Q

Ok this sounds Russian. Are you sure it's in Chuvash?

[Speedy Freedy]

Ok this sounds Russian. Are you sure it's in Chuvash?

Of course, language is Russian. People in videos are Chuvash though.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Of course, language is Russian. People in videos are Chuvash though.

Don't you have videos in Chuvash? Like TV shows, music, talk shows in Chuvash? I was asking for that :D

[Speedy Freedy]

A sample of song in Chuvash language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rkz9hKzJgQ

[Speedy Freedy]

And one more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHcS-BH0AJc

[Leto]

Don't you have videos in Chuvash? Like TV shows, music, talk shows in Chuvash? I was asking for that :D
The language is rarely used on TV. Most Chuvashs speak Russian on a daily basis. Almost all education is in Russian. Not that Russians prevent them from developing it, they are kinda practical themselves, not nationalistic. Russian is very useful and well-developed, so they use it.

[KawaiiKawaii]

The language is rarely used on TV. Most Chuvashs speak Russian on a daily basis. Almost all education is in Russian. Not that Russians prevent them from developing it, they are kinda practical themselves, not nationalistic. Russian is very useful and well-developed, so they use it.

Thank you, I thought they'd have TV in their language. Anyway, I assume most identify as Russians, given the fact that they share the same religion, no? They are accepted as Russians by Russians too?

[Leto]

Thank you, I thought they'd have TV in their language. Anyway, I assume most identify as Russians, given the fact that they share the same religion, no? They are accepted as Russians by Russians too?
Well, TV in Chuvash does exist, but it is not so popular. The nation is still alive, although they have low birth rates like most other Russians. Mixed urban people often can identify as Russians, but pure and rural Chuvashs still maintain their identity and speak the language, especially older generations. They are Russians by nationality, they have the same citizenship, rights and duties. Chuvash people aren't notorious for criminality or ultra-nationalism, they are kinda quiet people for the most part, not Russophobic.

[Speedy Freedy]

Thank you, I thought they'd have TV in their language.

There is Chuvash TV, however, Russian is mostly used in their daily life.


Anyway, I assume most identify as Russians, given the fact that they share the same religion, no?

There is a lot of mixed Chuvash-Russian marriages.

The Chuvash are Russian by passport, not by ethnicity.

[Leto]

The current head of Chuvashia Mikhail Ignatiev. He is an ethnic Chuvash
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Looks more or less caucasoid to me

[LightHouse89]

Praise God! Eastern Eurasia is being Europeanized :cool:

[Leto]

Another politician from Chuvashia, Nikolay Fyodorov
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[Speedy Freedy]

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[KawaiiKawaii]

Some look very Asian, other White. Very weird :P

[Leto]

Some look very Asian, other White. Very weird :P
Most minorities from Volga and Ural regions are like that.

[Speedy Freedy]

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[Wild North]

The Chuvash, are believed to be descended from Volga Bulgars. However during time, became mixed with Finno-Ugrians.

[aherne]

It's very simple. Uralics with strong Turanid influence. Totally expected given the region history...

[Ars Moriendi]

I really like the Chuvash people. Closest thing we'll find in the world to Huns/Avars/Bulgars.

I am subscribe to a YT channel about this sort of thing, and know a couple of videos you might find interesting.
THis one for example:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEb5k6-Bdz8

[Speedy Freedy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg2z5uyQFiA

Chuvash movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDffzhRfFtY

[gültekin]

Numbers in Chuvash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auJwXTIaBnA

[Wild North]

Among the Chuvash (and Tatars), I recently came to know there´s a kind of Pan-Bulgar nationalist movement.

[Speedy Freedy]

Chuvash folk song (in Chuvash language):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZTImsw65fk
Chuvash artist Augusta Uliandina is guest in the morning TV show (in Russian language):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtaNLmMfhAM

[Speedy Freedy]

Among the Chuvash (and Tatars), I recently came to know there´s a kind of Pan-Bulgar nationalist movement.

Among minority. The majority are proud of all their ancestors, not just Volga Bulgars.

[Sacrificed Ram]

I saw some nordoid tendence among some of them.

Interesting if You want associate the Nordids types only with indo-european speakers.

It can be result of a recent russian combination, an ancient interaction with corded-were or scytho-sarmatian-iranics or nordid had none strict correlation with IE languages.

[aherne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg2z5uyQFiA

Turanid influence is very strong. Much greater than in Turks, equal to Turkmens. Interestingly, the Mari people (natives to the region from whom they inherited Uralid element) also have a significant Turanid influence, although not as strong as Chuvash. The difference between is primarily one of language. North of Volga, the old language survived; South of Volga, people came to speak Chuvash.

[Rugevit]

I'd say a combination of both. Their language, despite being nominally Turkic, stands pretty much apart from other Turkic languages. And they aren't Islam-influenced.

Their close genetic cousins are Mari, who are Finno-Ugric. Also, Chuvashes and Mari share many cultural elements. Tatars are more influenced by Turkic than Chuvashes. Chuvashes, Mari and other are typical Uralic people - a mixture of Europeans and Siberians.

[aherne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg2z5uyQFiA

Turanid influence is very strong. Much greater than in Turks, equal to Turkmens. Interestingly, the Mari people (natives to the region from whom they inherited Uralid element) also have a significant Turanid influence, although not as strong as Chuvash. The difference between is primarily one of language. North of Volga, the old language survived; South of Volga, people came to speak Chuvash.

[Wild North]

Are there any Nordic looking Chuvash?

[Not a Cop]

Are there any Nordic looking Chuvash?

Yep, actually only one Chuvash i've seen IRL was North-Euro looking, anyway Coon's example of East-Nordid was a Chuvash:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/rgcoonchuvash-a.jpg

The photos from Russian anthropological site:

Some ethnic fest:
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[Not a Cop]

School Graduation event.


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[KawaiiKawaii]

Do the majority pass as ethnic Russians Not a Cop?

[Trun]

Do the majority pass as ethnic Russians Not a Cop?

I think they have too strong Uralid influence on average to be mistaken for a group of Russians.

[Not a Cop]

Do the majority pass as ethnic Russians Not a Cop?

Hard to tell, as i said i've never been to Chuvash land, and never met them in big groups, but based on pictures maybe 1\5 look like ordinary Russians, and other 1\5 look like exotic ones, but in groups they look too un-russian.

[Leto]

Hard to tell, as i said i've never been to Chuvash land, and never met them in big groups, but based on pictures maybe 1\5 look like ordinary Russians, and other 1\5 look like exotic ones, but in groups they look too un-russian.
But they have been intermixing with Russians since the Soviet times, just like other non-Muslim minorities. Half-Chuvashs might be pretty passable. For example, Mordvins often can pass as Russians, let alone half-Mordvins. Look at these pretty girls. All of them are either full or part Mordvin:

http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/3tqu3p31xmzu.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/4wz3u6na3don.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/efksx6qbgy64.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/uq71nur5ktr6.jpg (http://firepic.org/)

[Not a Cop]

But they have been intermixing with Russians since the Soviet times, just like other non-Muslim minorities. Half-Chuvashs might be pretty passable. For example, Mordvins often can pass as Russians, let alone half-Mordvins. Look at these pretty girls. All of them are either full or part Mordvin:

http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/3tqu3p31xmzu.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/4wz3u6na3don.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/efksx6qbgy64.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://6.firepic.org/6/images/2014-11/18/uq71nur5ktr6.jpg (http://firepic.org/)


First of all i don't get what does the half-Mordovians have to do with the question, secondly Mordovians and Chuvash are different, Chuvash have about 20% Siberian, while Mordovians about 6%, and yes, Mordovians are pretty close to Russians genetivally.

[Pennywise]

Do the majority pass as ethnic Russians Not a Cop?

I don't think so. chuvashes are still have a strong turanid features. which is very recognizable.

[Leto]

First of all i don't get what does the half-Mordovians have to do with the question, secondly Mordovians and Chuvash are different, Chuvash have about 20% Siberian, while Mordovians about 6%, and yes, Mordovians are pretty close to Russians genetivally.
Well, I'm just thinking about assimilation, because most of non-Muslim minorities are probably destined to assimilate. No one forces them, but they do it voluntarily. I just don't want the nation to become too off-white, since many metis tend to identify themselves as Russian. Volga-Finns and even some Tatars are okay, while Buryats and Kalmyks are not so.

[Trun]

Is there notable phenotype difference between Ugro-Finnic and Turkic peoples living on Volga?

[KawaiiKawaii]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kxvBAilKrmQ/T_HzrE_71aI/AAAAAAAAAVY/Jz3DmKIS-1U/s1600/CC-Overview-Controls.png

Here are other genetic statistics about Chuvash people.

Edit: apparently, Mordovians are even closer to Russians than Ukrainians.

[Lisa]

Merge thread

[War Chef]

Closest thing we'll find in the world to Huns/Avars/Bulgars.


Linguistically yes but genetically I'd say they don't have more than 10% ancestry from those Ogur people. Chuvash are pretty close to Sintashta charioteers (Indo-Iranians) but even better would be Mari, who practically live on old Sintashta grounds. Of course there is some new influences like a Mongoloid component and then a western one from mixing with Slavic settlers, but there is definitely some kind of continuation from the Arkaim (http://culture.ru/en/uploads/media/atlas/0001/08/238eb93193bafcbd5dd7e3b1916f2e40f4151f3d.jpeg) builders IMO.

[Ars Moriendi]

Linguistically yes but genetically I'd say they don't have more than 10% ancestry from those Ogur people. Chuvash are pretty close to Sintashta charioteers (Indo-Iranians) but even better would be Mari, who practically live on old Sintashta grounds. Of course there is some new influences like a Mongoloid component and then a western one from mixing with Slavic settlers, but there is definitely some kind of continuation from the Arkaim (http://culture.ru/en/uploads/media/atlas/0001/08/238eb93193bafcbd5dd7e3b1916f2e40f4151f3d.jpeg) builders IMO.


Culture is preserved through them and that's what matters the most.

[Trun]

Pics on the 1st and 2nd page look like Russian-Siberian mixer turned bad.

[Archduke]

Very unattractive looking males.

[Pennywise]

Very unattractive looking males.

why, you are fag?

[Trun]

Very unattractive looking males.

Well, Uralids (the main type among Chuvashes) are paedomorphic which leads to rather unpleasant look (for males especially) to the European eye.

[Archduke]

why, you are fag?

Please turk. Everybody can see that females here are much more attractive than the males who look very weak and uncapable to have healthy generation.

[War Chef]

Very unattractive looking males.

As a whole the females don't look all that good either, too baby faced. Here are a few I find pretty though:

http://i.imgur.com/PAmCUkR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gNGr2kA.jpg

Somewhat attractive:

http://i.imgur.com/wo9dTW5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cdrdH09.jpg

[Speedy Freedy]

Who and why merged my thread named Chuvash people with this thread??

[Arbërori]

They look like they live in the 90s... Mixing is not advised.

[Not a Cop]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kxvBAilKrmQ/T_HzrE_71aI/AAAAAAAAAVY/Jz3DmKIS-1U/s1600/CC-Overview-Controls.png

Here are other genetic statistics about Chuvash people.

Edit: apparently, Mordovians are even closer to Russians than Ukrainians.

Yes, Sometimes Mordovians even cluster within the Russian populations, generally they are most likely resemble the indengious people of East-European plain.

[Sacrificed Ram]

The most impressive for me is find people armenoid influenced among them!
http://cs407120.vk.me/v407120614/7188/NeglFY3gqIU.jpg
Resembles a girl I dated long time... (I live in a place with representive population with levantine origin, this type is something rare here, but I dated...)

Think about the source of it, maybe some ancient interaction with khazars... But I think other possibilities...

(Here we find threads that changes suddenly, it scares me... But it resembles much more the wild nature than religions. Hih,hih,hih!)

[aherne]

Linguistically yes but genetically I'd say they don't have more than 10% ancestry from those Ogur people. Chuvash are pretty close to Sintashta charioteers (Indo-Iranians) but even better would be Mari, who practically live on old Sintashta grounds. Of course there is some new influences like a Mongoloid component and then a western one from mixing with Slavic settlers, but there is definitely some kind of continuation from the Arkaim (http://culture.ru/en/uploads/media/atlas/0001/08/238eb93193bafcbd5dd7e3b1916f2e40f4151f3d.jpeg) builders IMO.

There is continuation with the people Aryans temporarily displaced when they settled Volga-Kama crossing cca. 5500 YA. When Uralics reclaimed the land 2000 years later (because of a mini Ice Age that forced cattle-breeding Aryans southwards), little admixture occurred (so that Mari/Chuvash seldom show Aryan features).

Most Chuvash look Uralid, but Turanid influence is very strong. Many Chuvash look full-Turanid (100% Siberian Mongoloid). 10% is a gross underestimate (correct for Turks only). The real number looks like 30-40%.

[Sacrificed Ram]

There is continuation with the people Aryans temporarily displaced when they settled Volga-Kama crossing cca. 5500 YA. When Uralics reclaimed the land 2000 years later (because of a mini Ice Age that forced cattle-breeding Aryans southwards), little admixture occurred (so that Mari/Chuvash seldom show Aryan features).

Most Chuvash look Uralid, but Turanid influence is very strong. Many Chuvash look full-Turanid (100% Siberian Mongoloid). 10% is a gross underestimate (correct for Turks only). The real number looks like 30-40%.

When this romanian guy say "Aryan" he is talking Corded Nordid:
http://s011.radikal.ru/i316/1101/31/a5ec1708b983.jpg
He uses horrible nomenclature... like me.

[Leto]

There is continuation with the people Aryans temporarily displaced when they settled Volga-Kama crossing cca. 5500 YA. When Uralics reclaimed the land 2000 years later (because of a mini Ice Age that forced cattle-breeding Aryans southwards), little admixture occurred (so that Mari/Chuvash seldom show Aryan features).

Please do not use this stupid and meaningless term "Aryan". It has nothing to do with anthropology.

[Trun]

Please do not use this stupid and meaningless term "Aryan". It has nothing to do with anthropology.

He means the Corded type which is supposed to have been dominant in the Aryan culture people.

[Leto]

He means the Corded type which is supposed to have been dominant in the Aryan culture people.
Okay.

[LightHouse89]

Please do not use this stupid and meaningless term "Aryan". It has nothing to do with anthropology.

but it does......Aryans Aryans angry Aryans. :p

[Leto]

I have split this thread at Speedy Freedy's request.

Moderators, please do not merge these threads again.
Where is that thread? I mean in which section?

[aherne]

Please do not use this stupid and meaningless term "Aryan". It has nothing to do with anthropology.

It was the self-identification of so-called "indo-europeans", so the term is actually full of meaning. Also it has a lot to do with anthropology, since their type was the so-called "Nordid".

[Sacrificed Ram]

My posts had more sense when the topics were merged...

[Speedy Freedy]

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[Sacrificed Ram]

It was the self-identification of so-called "indo-europeans", so the term is actually full of meaning. Also it has a lot to do with anthropology, since their type was the so-called "Nordid".

I consider aryans only the ancestors of hindus and iranics, despite the term "Ir-Ar", "I am", is a root of indo-european languages as whole.

But off topic questions, if someone is interested in create a thread about it.

[Speedy Freedy]

http://oi57.tinypic.com/30jqia1.jpg
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[KawaiiKawaii]

I consider aryans only the ancestors of hindus and iranics, despite the term "Ir-Ar", "I am", is a root of indo-european languages as whole.

But off topic questions, if someone is interested in create a thread about it.

What? What did you mean with this Ir-Ar?

[Sacrificed Ram]

What? What did you mean with this Ir-Ar?

This is a primitive indo-european word root meaning "I am".

I recomend this book because was on it I knew about this meaning:
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc122/grullaran/1-Shadows-in-the-Desert-Ancient-Persia-at-War_zpsbcd4ac8a.jpg
I thought Aryan was something related with sheep... could be.

Off Topic.

[Speedy Freedy]

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2r7vpts.jpg

[todorovitch]

Even they are very related linguistically and culturally to the volga tatars,they look very different,and I don't think that their are turkicized ugrofinns,since the ugrofinns peoples from the same region look very different

[Speedy Freedy]

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[Speedy Freedy]

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[Leto]

Speedy, I think you like posting the most mongoloid types. And it's them who concern me, because I know that they're slowly but surely blending into the Russian majority. Caucasoid or at least pred. caucasoid groups are okay, but mongoloids are not needed.:stop I often feel like I'm living in a foreign country. No Eurasianism, please. I'm not of that kind.

[Speedy Freedy]

Speedy, I think you like posting the most mongoloid types. And it's them who concern me, because I know that they're slowly but surely blending into the Russian majority. Caucasoid or at least pred. caucasoid groups are okay, but mongoloids are not needed.:stop I often feel like I'm living in a foreign country. No Eurasianism, please. I'm not of that kind.

I only try to post pure Chuvash people. I mean, overall Chuvash people have been classified as Sub-Uraloid population, although there is also plenty of Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Sub-Lapponoid phenotypes among them.

[Leto]

I only try to post pure Chuvash people. I mean, overall Chuvash people have been classified as Sub-Uraloid population, although there is also plenty of Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Sub-Lapponoid phenotypes among them.
Okay, maybe I'm a bit too harsh. Chuvash people are good, I don't know any personally, but they are not as notorious as some other groups. I just don't want all minorities to be absorbed by Russians. Of course, some of them are not willing to assimilate themselves, but others probably are.

[Speedy Freedy]

Okay, maybe I'm a bit too harsh. Chuvash people are good, I don't know any personally, but they are not as notorious as some other groups. I just don't want all minorities to be absorbed by Russians. Of course, some of them are not willing to assimilate themselves, but others probably are.

I know, there are many mixed marriages between the Chuvash and Russians. Also among Tatars and Russians for that matter. I think every ethnic group should preserve itself.

[Speedy Freedy]

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[Speedy Freedy]

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[Böri]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-VP0chJtwU