View Full Version : Eurogenes Hunter vs. Farmer Test: aDNA ADMIXTURE Results
Vesuvian Sky
11-21-2014, 04:54 AM
Always thought this was an interesting test, but naturally not as illuminating as it could be without actual samples from those time periods. So without further adieu:
Hunters
Motala, Sweden, c. 6,000 BC:
http://i58.tinypic.com/24gj9k3.jpg
La Brana, Spain, c. 5,000 BC:
http://i62.tinypic.com/2nlr4lz.jpg
Pitted Ware, Gotland, c. 3,000 BC:
http://i62.tinypic.com/2uz4jfa.jpg
Farmers
Linear Ware, Germany, c. 5,500 BC:
http://i58.tinypic.com/2mqork9.jpg
Linear Ware, Hungarian Plain, c. 5,000 BC:
http://i58.tinypic.com/6gabgo.jpg
Linear Ware, Hungarian Plain, c. 5,000 BC:
http://i60.tinypic.com/i3841c.jpg
Reith
11-21-2014, 12:11 PM
Damn... my 60% hunter pales in comparison..
Jackson
11-28-2014, 01:49 AM
By comparison it seems the cut-off point for being 50/50 of an average of these hunters and these farmers in a modern person (if they were the only populations involved) is about:
46.3% Hunter
52.43% Farmer
Here's the results for my family (Combined the Middle Eastern Herder and Anatolian Farmer along with Mediterranean farmer) as in above:
Me:
53.84% Hunter
43.91% Farmer
Dad:
55.28% Hunter
42.24% Farmer
Paternal Grandfather:
56.13% Hunter
41.51% Farmer
Paternal Grandmother:
54.41% Hunter
44.25% Farmer
Mother:
52.24% Hunter
46.15% Farmer
Aunt:
54.94% Hunter
42.36% Farmer
Looking at the difference between my mother and aunt (who have the same ancestry), i'm not entirely convinced that my Mum didn't just get a a bunch more of the farmer-related ancestry by chance given there's such a difference between her and her sister, rather than anything more substantial or meaningful.
Vesuvian Sky
11-28-2014, 02:00 AM
Although not as geographically European as it could be, I thought I'd add Malta's results since he is one of the three ancestral founders of the modern Euro. genome and of course some of his other components do show up in modern Euros as well:
http://i59.tinypic.com/9zm0qe.jpg
Pendragon
11-28-2014, 08:41 AM
I wonder about the component Anatolian Farmer.
Today Europeans are around 10% with this calculateur (Eurogenes Hunter vs. Farmer Test), yet the ancient Eurasian DNA are around 0%, except the most recent, including IR1 (F999929 on gedmatch).
What is the origin of Anatalian Farmer?
Vesuvian Sky
11-28-2014, 11:02 AM
I wonder about the component Anatolian Farmer.
Today Europeans are around 10% with this calculateur (Eurogenes Hunter vs. Farmer Test), yet the ancient Eurasian DNA are around 0%, except the most recent, including IR1 (F999929 on gedmatch).
What is the origin of Anatalian Farmer?
The lbk farmer from Stuttgart has it at 6.+% actually. So it is in part from the early Neolithic. I wouldn't be surprised if some didn't have more though during that time. More samples from around this time will inevitably prove useful.
War Chef
11-28-2014, 11:27 AM
What was the phenotype of Hunter Gatherers? Cro-Magnid I'm guessing? Anyway here's mine:
Hunter Gatherer: 37.92%
Farmer: 59.97%
North Eurasian: 2.11%
Vesuvian Sky
11-28-2014, 11:38 AM
What was the phenotype of Hunter Gatherers? Cro-Magnid....?
Hunter from Mesolithic Sweden:
http://i.imgur.com/6ikEZ.jpg
Hunter from Mesolithic Spain:
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1592670!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/man28n-1-web.jpg
Jackson
11-28-2014, 05:38 PM
What was the phenotype of Hunter Gatherers? Cro-Magnid I'm guessing? Anyway here's mine:
Hunter Gatherer: 37.92%
Farmer: 59.97%
North Eurasian: 2.11%
Very robust, light eyes, dark hair and darkish skin.
Not a Cop
11-28-2014, 10:14 PM
Very robust, light eyes, dark hair and darkish skin.
I still wonder how did their dark skin looked like, anyway
HG - 73,71% (3,99 N.E. and S.A.)
Farmer - 23,52
Jackson
11-28-2014, 10:20 PM
I still wonder how did their dark skin looked like, anyway
HG - 73,71% (3,99 N.E. and S.A.)
Farmer - 23,52
Same, it would be very odd if they had properly brown skin - I'd expect something akin to modern middle-easterners but even they have skin-lightening that the HG's didn't have.
Vesuvian Sky
11-28-2014, 11:05 PM
I wonder why on some calcs la brana has a med. component while others not. I speculated it's perhaps a western med component that gets swallowed by the WHG yet on Eurogenes k36 west med doesn't appear until the Neolithic. Ergo, I'm somewhat skeptical if he has actual med./ENF admixture
Reith
12-02-2014, 11:06 AM
I wonder why I like hunting and eating wild game so much:
Population
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 60.72%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.03%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.70%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.18%
62.63%
Middle Eastern Herder 1.23%
Anatolian Farmer 8.67%
Mediterranean Farmer 27.46%
37.36%
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