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Kazimiera
11-22-2014, 11:52 PM
Home-schooled and illiterate

Source: http://www.salon.com/2012/03/15/homeschooled_and_illiterate/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

The religious right calls it the "responsible" choice, but for some kids it means isolation with little education

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In recent weeks, home schooling has received nationwide attention because of Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum’s home-schooling family. Though Santorum paints a rosy picture of home schooling in the United States, and calls attention to the “responsibility” all parents have to take their children’s education into their own hands, he fails to acknowledge the very real potential for educational neglect among some home-schooling families – neglect that has been taking place for decades, and continues to this day.

While the practice of home schooling is new to many people, my own interest in it was sparked nearly 20 years ago. I was a socially awkward adolescent with a chaotic family life, and became close to a conservative Christian home-schooling family that seemed perfect in every way. Through my connection to this family, I was introduced to a whole world of conservative Christian home-schoolers, some of whom we would now consider “Quiverfull” families: home-schooling conservatives who eschew any form of family planning and choose instead to “trust God” with matters related to procreation.

Though I fell out of touch with my home-schooled friends as we grew older, a few years ago, I reconnected with a few ex-Quiverfull peers on a new support blog called No Longer Quivering. Poring over their stories, I was shocked to find so many tales of gross educational neglect. I don’t merely mean that they had received what I now view as an overly politicized education with huge gaps, for example, in American history, evolution or sexuality. Rather, what disturbed me were the many stories about home-schoolers who were barely literate when they graduated, or whose math and science education had never extended much past middle school.

Take Vyckie Garrison, an ex-Quiverfull mother of seven who, in 2008, enrolled her six school-age children in public school after 18 years of teaching them at home. Garrison, who started the No Longer Quivering blog, says her near-constant pregnancies – which tended to result either in miscarriages or life-threatening deliveries – took a toll on her body and depleted her energy. She wasn’t able to devote enough time and energy to home schooling to ensure a quality education for each child. And she says the lack of regulation in Nebraska, where the family lived, “allowed us to get away with some really shoddy home schooling for a lot of years.”

“I’ll admit it,” she confesses. “Because I was so overwhelmed with my life… It was a real struggle to do the basics, so it didn’t take long for my kids to fall far behind. One of my daughters could not read at 11 years old.”

At the time, Garrison was taking parenting advice from Quiverfull leaders who deemphasized academic achievement in favor of family values. She remembers one Quiverfull leader saying, “If they can do mathematics perfectly but they have no morals, you have failed them.”

The implication, she says, was that, “if they’re not doing so well academically, well, then they can catch up on that later. It’s not such a big deal. It was a really convenient way of thinking for me because I wasn’t able to keep up anyway.” This kind of rhetoric, Garrison notes, provided a “high-minded justification for educational neglect. I would not have gotten away with that if I’d had to get my kids tested every year.”

Over time, Garrison lost faith in her fundamentalist ideology and became aware that her children’s education was being neglected. Eventually all but one of her six younger children ended up entering and excelling in the public school system.

Why did she stick with home schooling for so long, despite her difficulties? “We were convinced that it would be better for our kids not to have an education than to be educated to become humanists or atheists and to reject God,” Garrison says. “We became so isolated because the Quiverfull lifestyle was so overwhelming we didn’t have time or energy for socialization. So the only people we knew were exactly like us. We were told that the whole point of public school was to dumb down the children and turn them into compliant workers – to brainwash them and indoctrinate them into this godless way of thinking.”

Garrison believes that home schooling has become so popular with fundamentalist Christians because, “there is an atmosphere of real terror among some evangelicals. They are horrified by the fact that Obama is president, and they see the New Atheist movement as a vocal, in-your-face threat. Plus, they are obsessed with the End Times, and believe that the Apocalypse could happen any day now… They see a demon on every corner.

“We home-schooled because we wanted to protect our children from what we viewed as the total secularization of America. We listened to people like Rush Limbaugh, who told us that America was in the clutches of evil liberal feminist atheists.”

To read the rest of the article, go here: http://www.salon.com/2012/03/15/homeschooled_and_illiterate/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

TheBlondeSalad
11-23-2014, 12:21 AM
To be fair, I don't get home-schooling :confused:
How would you be able to give sufficient knowledge on many different subjects? People attend schools because they have teachers who spent years becoming highly specialised in one subject only in order to give the best possible teaching. You won't be able to give the same level of support and knowledge - this has the potential to limit a child's progress than any of their peers. Plus school definitely helps improve a child's social skills.

I am in favour of sending kids to school.

TLevin
11-23-2014, 01:40 AM
Typical propaganda piece from the deceivers of Salon. Home schooled children do better than both public schooled and private schooled children by every possible metric. Some unbelievable anecdotes doesn't change that.

“We home-schooled because we wanted to protect our children from what we viewed as the total secularization of America. We listened to people like Rush Limbaugh, who told us that America was in the clutches of evil liberal feminist atheists.”

Which is not even that far from the truth. The last thing responsible parents should do is to send their children to public schools.


To be fair, I don't get home-schooling :confused:

And I'm sure it's not the only thing you don't get.


How would you be able to give sufficient knowledge on many different subjects?

The things children learn are very simple for adults. With good educational resources it is no problem at all, as evinced by the better results of home schooling.


People attend schools because they have teachers who spent years becoming highly specialised in one subject only in order to give the best possible teaching.

Teachers are usually lazy morons that get paid for doing very little while getting very long vacations, and the modern public education system (the industrial model of education) is very stultifying. But if your goal is to brainwash and make robots of people, then you've chosen the right tool for the job.



You won't be able to give the same level of support and knowledge - this has the potential to limit a child's progress than any of their peers. Plus school definitely helps improve a child's social skills.


Wrong on both accounts. Home schooled children do better in either case than children from public or private schools.


I am in favour of sending kids to school.

And you're going to tell their parents how to educate their own children?

Vesuvian Sky
11-23-2014, 01:44 AM
Have to admit, the home schooled kids I came across were usually incredibly smart and performed better than everyone else in HS and college. But they had parents who made sure they got the right type of curriculum.

You can go to a religious private school and then come of it not knowing nearly as much as some home school kids.

At the end of the day, overly religious cooks will ruin it all for everyone. I had to switch barbers recently because I couldn't take his feeble attempts to debase science anymore.:picard1:

Gustave H
11-23-2014, 01:48 AM
I was home-schooled for a few years during my childhood and I enjoyed it. After a few years of it I decided I missed going to school with my friends, so I went back to public school but I didn't like it very much..So, I went to private school. I suggest home-schooling, I think it's great if you have tutors. If you don't have tutors and/or parents educated enough and willing to teach you, you should not be home-schooled. It also requires that you not take your focus off of your schoolwork and get sidetracked with all kinds of other things in and around your home. Children with ADD/ADHD and similar disorders should not home-school. Those who are focused, and determined should look into it.

Methmatician
11-23-2014, 02:00 AM
Typical propaganda piece from the deceivers of Salon. Home schooled children do better than both public schooled and private schooled children by every possible metric. Some unbelievable anecdotes doesn't change that.

They're about the same, some are better. (http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED384297) Home schooling isn't an option for every child however. We should not abandon schools so parents can teach their kids. Most parents wouldn't be able to supply their children with the sufficient knowledge required for university.

TLevin
11-23-2014, 02:16 AM
They're about the same, some are better. (http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED384297) Home schooling isn't an option for every child however. We should not abandon schools so parents can teach their kids. Most parents wouldn't be able to supply their children with the sufficient knowledge required for university.

There are many different studies on this topic. From my memory all conclude that homeschooled children are significantly better educated than are either publicly schooled children or privately schooled children.

Methmatician
11-23-2014, 02:23 AM
Children with ADD/ADHD and similar disorders should not home-school. Those who are focused, and determined should look into it.
I would think it's those children that would benefit most from home schooling. How is one teacher suppose to give support to an entire class and a child with ADHD/ADD? If they were home schooled they could receive the attention and support they couldn't get in a classroom where one teacher has to divide their attention among 20-30 kids.

Methmatician
11-23-2014, 02:23 AM
There are many different studies on this topic. From my memory all conclude that homeschooled children are significantly better educated than are either publicly schooled children or privately schooled children.
Okay, lets see them.

TLevin
11-23-2014, 02:29 AM
Okay, lets see them.

Here: http://widenerlawreview.org/files/2011/02/02-GATES_final.pdf

Dictator
11-23-2014, 02:33 AM
I wish I was home-scooled. Wouldn't have to deal with incompetent teachers that are protected by a silly contract and other retarded kids protected by the right of being there because they are paying.

Methmatician
11-23-2014, 02:39 AM
Here: http://widenerlawreview.org/files/2011/02/02-GATES_final.pdf
That paper said the same thing as the one I linked; that home schooled children are likely to do as well or better than public schooled children. There isn't a 'significant' difference as you mentioned earlier.

TLevin
11-23-2014, 02:42 AM
That paper said the same thing as the one I linked; that home schooled children are likely to do as well or better than public schooled children. There isn't a 'significant' difference as you mentioned earlier.

"Numerous studies demonstrate that homeschooled students obtain exceptionally high scores on standardized academic achievement tests. For instance, one nationwide study analyzed data from 1,952 homeschooled students across the country and found that the students, on average, scored in the eightieth percentile or higher in every test category (i.e., reading, listening, language, math, science, social studies, study skills, etc.).44 The national mean for these standardized tests, by contrast, was the fiftieth percentile. Numerous other studies have comparable results.45 For example, two other national studies also found that homeschooled students excelled academically. A nationwide study of 20,760 homeschooled students in grade levels K-12 found the median standardized test scores to be in the seventieth to eightieth percentile.46 Similarly, a nationwide study of homeschooled students in Canada found that the students’ average standardized test scores were in the seventysixth to eighty-fourth percentile.47"

Illancha
11-23-2014, 02:46 AM
I really like the idea of home-schooling and would seriously consider it for my children. I'm certain I can provide them with a better education than any school judging by my personal school experiences.

Gustave H
11-23-2014, 03:28 AM
I would think it's those children that would benefit most from home schooling. How is one teacher suppose to give support to an entire class and a child with ADHD/ADD? If they were home schooled they could receive the attention and support they couldn't get in a classroom where one teacher has to divide their attention among 20-30 kids.

I know home-schooling sounds good for them, but in most cases it isn't. If a family has enough money to hire a tutor for all of his or her classes, then yes I'd say home-schooling is a great idea for that child. But, in many cases the family either doesn't have the money or the desire to hire a tutor for the child. I knew a kid with ADHD and he was home-schooled by his mother. She wasn't a good teacher, he wasn't a good student, and it was a total disaster.

Linebacker
11-23-2014, 05:28 AM
Home schooling is probably the best and most sure way to make your kid an autist introvert.

Don't do that shit.

Sakis
11-23-2014, 05:35 AM
Home schooling sucks,kids must be socialized.

Mortimer
11-23-2014, 05:36 AM
I have mixed feelings, if a parent is very knowledgable or has a private teacher who visits the child at home it could be a good idea and if the child has friends and contact to other children too but i think i wouldnt be able to home school my child really because i wouldnt be a good teacher, i forgot so many things from my school classes etc. i dont know that much to teach a child. maybe i could teach it to read and write and count etc. elementary school stuff or kindergarden stuff but not high school stuff, i couldnt teach physics, mathematics or chemistry etc. i knew one girl who was homeschooled, i knew her online she was from ohio and she homeschooled her little brothers and she was also home schooled when she was a child, she seemed to be smart.

Breedingvariety
12-24-2014, 08:56 AM
The question is: do you take matters into your own hands and brainwash your child yourself or do you leave your child to be brainwashed by TV and state education.

Lyrace
12-29-2014, 02:55 AM
Homeschooling, if conducted correctly and in a supportive environment, ranks much higher than regular public school education in quality.
It requires the dutiful guidance of at least one parent and weekly meetings at least with other homeschoolers where they can develop socially and emotionally.

If the students remain within their parents' house all the time without social interaction, then the experience will stunt them in various areas.