Norwegian, Irish, French, Galician, and Cantabrian K15 compared

[MINARDOWICZ]

NORWEGIAN:

North Sea- 39.74
Atlantic- 23.47
Baltic- 13.26
Eastern European- 11.48
West Med- 7.37
West Asian- 3.6666666
East Med- 0.6466666
Red Sea- 0.23
Northeast African- 0.06

IRISH:

North Sea- 36.38
Atlantic- 30.66
Baltic- 11.15
Eastern European- 8.12
West Med- 6.98
West Asian- 3.34
East Med- 1.24
Red Sea- 0.67
Northeast African- 0.07

FRENCH:

North Sea- 28.25
Atlantic- 26.05
Baltic- 8.22
Eastern European- 6.32
West Med- 15.53
West Asian- 4.66
East Med- 6.72
Red Sea- 2.83
Northeast African- 0.11

SPANISH GALICIA:

North Sea- 23.22
Atlantic- 24.88
Baltic- 6.54
Eastern European- 3.91
West Med- 21.78
West Asian- 2.42
East Med- 8.93
Red Sea- 4.48
Northeast African- 1.52

SPANISH CANTABRIA:

North Sea- 19.95
Atlantic- 32.03
Baltic- 5.93
Eastern European- 4.22
West Med- 23.95
West Asian- 2.17
East Med- 6.59
Red Sea- 2.68
Northeast African- 0.91

[North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European]

NORWEGIAN: 64.48% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
IRISH: 55.65% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
FRENCH: 42.79% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
SPANISH GALICIA: 33.67% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
SPANISH CANTABRIA: 30.1% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European

[MED total]

NORWEGIAN: 8.0166666% MED total
IRISH: 8.22% MED total
FRENCH: 22.25% MED total
SPANISH CANTABRIA: 30.54% MED total
SPANISH GALICIA: 30.71% MED total

EDIT:

[ATLANTIC % IN ORDER]

SPANISH CANTABRIA- 32.03%
IRISH- 30.66%
FRENCH- 26.05%
SPANISH GALICIA- 24.88%
NORWEGIAN- 23.47%




OBSERVATIONS:

Irish and Norwegian have a lot in common and French are somewhat intermediate between N European people and Iberians in many ways. One way to know they are a gradient is looking at the MED % being much higher than Irish and Norwegian but not as high as even Galicians in Spain.

[Lábaru]

And Cantabrians the highest percentage of Atlantic, not a surprise here.

[Lábaru]

OBSERVATIONS: Irish and Norwegian have a lot in common and French are somewhat intermediate between N European people and Iberians in many ways. One way to know they are a gradient is looking at the MED % being much higher than Irish and Norwegian but not as high as even Galicians in Spain.

In fact, these numbers show otherwise, the French are virtually center European and the Spaniard are intermediate between Nw/center European people and South Europeans in many ways.

[Dani Cutie]

But baltic component is pure european?

[Lábaru]

But baltic component is pure european?

Only red sea West Asian, African and East Med are not Europeans, but Europids. Maybe East Med is European, is debatable.

[Porpolita]

But baltic component is pure european?

No its blonde with blue eyes Chinese. Just look at the Finns ;)

[MINARDOWICZ]

In fact, these numbers show otherwise, the French are virtually center European and the Spaniard are intermediate between Nw/center European people and South Europeans in many ways.

[ATLANTIC % IN ORDER]

SPANISH CANTABRIA- 32.03%
IRISH- 30.66%
FRENCH- 26.05%
SPANISH GALICIA- 24.88%
NORWEGIAN- 23.47%

[MINARDOWICZ]

Compare the Balkan people and W European people...

[North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European MOST TO LEAST]


NORWEGIAN: 64.48% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
CROATIANS: 56.326666 North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
IRISH: 55.65% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
SERBIANS: 46.76% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
FRENCH: 42.79% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
BULGARIANS: 38.6% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
SPANISH GALICIA: 33.67% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
GREEK THESSALY: 30.6599996% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
SPANISH CANTABRIA: 30.1% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European

[MED TOTAL LOWEST TO HIGHEST]


NORWEGIAN: 8.0166666% MED total
IRISH: 8.22% MED total
CROATIANS: 15.4199993% MED total
FRENCH: 22.25% MED total
SERBIANS: 23.92% MED total
BULGARIANS: 30.03% MED total
SPANISH CANTABRIA: 30.54% MED total
SPANISH GALICIA: 30.71% MED total
GREEK THESSALY: 39.7% MED total

[ATLANTIC HIGHEST TO LOWEST]

SPANISH CANTABRIA- 32.03%
IRISH- 30.66%
FRENCH- 26.05%
SPANISH GALICIA- 24.88%
CROATIAN- 17.516666
SERBIAN- 17.28
BULGARIAN- 15.88
GREEK THESSALY- 11.563333

What do you make of these comparisons?

[MINARDOWICZ]

^ Clearly the major difference between W and E European populations is the Atlantic % as well as the specific type of N European being of a different kind.

[Lábaru]

^ Clearly the major difference between W and E European populations is the Atlantic % as well as the specific type of N European being of a different kind.

Post data from Italy, south, center and north, to have a clear reference of southern Europe with Greece.


Eastern Europe DNA is considered as Nordic?

[Grace O'Malley]

Thanks for this now I can compare my K15 and my brother's with the Irish average.

IRISH:

North Sea- 36.38
Atlantic- 30.66
Baltic- 11.15
Eastern European- 8.12
West Med- 6.98
West Asian- 3.34
East Med- 1.24
Red Sea- 0.67
Northeast African- 0.07

Mine

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.04
2 Atlantic 29.88
3 Baltic 11.89
4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
5 West_Asian 5.16
6 West_Med 4.95
7 Amerindian 1.15
8 Red_Sea 1.10

Brother

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.02
2 Atlantic 28.5
3 Eastern_Euro 9.98
4 Baltic 9.12
5 West_Med 7.56
6 West_Asian 5.23
7 South_Asian 0.94
8 Amerindian 0.66

[Dani Cutie]

No its blonde with blue eyes Chinese. Just look at the Finns ;)

I think that you dont know this: http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/old_neolithic_map.gif

[Nurzat]

me:


# - Population - Percent
1 Baltic 20.42%
2 Atlantic 16.35%
3 Eastern_Euro 15.29%
4 North_Sea 15.06%

North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European = 50.77%

MED (total): 19.97%

[Thrax]

Only red sea West Asian, African and East Med are not Europeans, but Europids. Maybe East Med is European, is debatable.

East Med has been present in Europe since the Neolithic Age along with Red Sea. West Asian came later durng the Bronze Age (probably with the Indo-Europeans?).

[MINARDOWICZ]

East Med has been present in Europe since the Neolithic Age along with Red Sea. West Asian came later durng the Bronze Age (probably with the Indo-Europeans?).

Ya but I think elevated Red Sea means more recent non-european influence, as seen in Sicilians.

[gold_fenix]

East Med has been present in Europe since the Neolithic Age along with Red Sea. West Asian came later durng the Bronze Age (probably with the Indo-Europeans?).

I am not sure about this, west asian is low in Western and it seems the western is more related with bronze age, specially Iberia, so west asian must be related with other movement.

my k15 , i am very low in North Sea but higher in atlantic in comparition with the k15 of Spaniards

North Sea 13.67%
Atlantic 39.68%
Baltic 2.78%
Eastern_Euro 4.20%
West_Med 22.99%
West_Asian 0.66%
East_Med 11.62%
Red_Sea 3.44%
Southeast_Asian 0.11%
Amerindian 0.86%

[gold_fenix]

i see something interesting , the low influence of Middle East in Western Coast

Red Sea + West Asian

Norway 4,3126
Irish 4,01
French 7,49
Galicia 6,9
Cantabria 4,85
Grace 6,26
Brother Grace's 5,23
Me 4,1

[Thrax]

I am not sure about this, west asian is low in Western and it seems the western is more related with bronze age, specially Iberia, so west asian must be related with other movement.

my k15 , i am very low in North Sea but higher in atlantic in comparition with the k15 of Spaniards

North Sea 13.67%
Atlantic 39.68%
Baltic 2.78%
Eastern_Euro 4.20%
West_Med 22.99%
West_Asian 0.66%
East_Med 11.62%
Red_Sea 3.44%
Southeast_Asian 0.11%
Amerindian 0.86%

I suppose West Asian came with the indo-europeans because it is absent from all paleolithic and neolithic genomes in Gedmatch and only starts appearing after the Bronze Age.

[Thrax]

i see something interesting , the low influence of Middle East in Western Coast

Red Sea + West Asian

Norway 4,3126
Irish 4,01
French 7,49
Galicia 6,9
Cantabria 4,85
Grace 6,26
Brother Grace's 5,23
Me 4,1

I believe the reason for that is because Neolithic arrived much later in these areas compared to southeastern and central Europe. See this map for example.
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Europe-diffusion-farming.gif

The paleolithic population in these areas would be less assimilated by the neolithic farmers and that reflects to the fact that the mediterranean and the red sea components are lower there.

Check also this map
http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/early_middle_bronze_europe.png

Here we can see that the Corded Ware which is associated with the haplogroup R1a (and most likely the Baltic and Eastern Euro components) was diffused from the Northeast to the North and the R1b cultures from West Asia invaded the Balkans first and then the Central and Western Europe. The West Asian component is lower in the Northeast and the North compared to the Centre and the West.

[Not a Cop]

Only red sea West Asian, African and East Med are not Europeans, but Europids. Maybe East Med is European, is debatable.

Not really, here is Motala results:


Population
North_Sea 39.26%
Atlantic 6.78%
Baltic 28.91%
Eastern_Euro 25.05%
West_Med -
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Lábaru]

Not really, here is Motala results:

-

Not really, what?

[Not a Cop]

Not really, what?

Not really "Only red sea West Asian, African and East Med are not Europeans"

[Lábaru]

Not really "Only red sea West Asian, African and East Med are not Europeans"

But what does that have to do with the results of that place?

[Not a Cop]

But what does that have to do with the results of that place?

Motala is results are propably the best so far to see what Europeans before the Neolit looked like.

[Lábaru]

Motala is results are propably the best so far to see what Europeans before the Neolit looked like.

Ahh no, I'm pretty sure that in the Mesolithic were more similar to the current Finnish populations.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Ahh no, I'm pretty sure that in the Mesolithic were more similar to the current Finnish populations.

Indeed.

[Dani Cutie]

Cantabrians are more white than frenchs hehehe.

[Dani Cutie]

I imagine that Original Galicians seem more Cantabrians, the influence of Red Sea can be for portugal jewish scaping of the inquisition?

[MINARDOWICZ]

Cantabrians are more white than frenchs hehehe.

Define "more white"?

Anyways they do indeed score more West Asian, East Med, and Red Sea, than Iberians score. Interesting huh? However, Cantabrians score WAY more Med total.

[Pendragon]

Atlantic % with Eurogenes K15:
52687

[Dani Cutie]

Define "more white"?

Anyways they do indeed score more West Asian,East Med, and Red Sea, than Iberians score. Interesting huh? However, Cantabrians score WAY more Med total.

Sorry but, what is exactly east med? Someones says that is greek and others that is from levant. :s

[Pendragon]

Sorry but, what is exactly east med? Someones says that is greek and others that is from levant. :s

See this map, with some componants of K15:
52688

[Pendragon]

I forgot "eastern Euro":

52689

[Dani Cutie]

http://s7.imagestime.com/out.php/i871253_semiticsmilexu8.jpg ?

[Dani Cutie]

Can be balkanic also.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Sorry but, what is exactly east med? Someones says that is greek and others that is from levant. :s

Let's put it this way. On K15, Lebanese Druze score 50% East Med on average... In S Italy, Greek Islands, Sicily, Malta, etc. it ranges from 24-32% somewhere btw. So, pretty high. I'd say it's a shared component. Some call it Levantine, Anatolian, and Greco-Roman.

[Black Wolf]

An excellent thread Minard thank you for creating it. Here are my scores below.

Population
North_Sea 31.10%
Atlantic 20.43%
Baltic 10.15%
Eastern_Euro 12.53%
West_Med 7.55%
West_Asian 4.79%
East_Med 7.85%
Red_Sea 1.47%
South_Asian 1.06%
Southeast_Asian 0.21%
Siberian 1.01%
Amerindian 0.91%
Oceanian 0.96%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

North_Sea+Baltic+Eastern_Euro=53.78%.

[SSlava]

Compare the Balkan people and W European people...

[North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European MOST TO LEAST]


NORWEGIAN: 64.48% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
CROATIANS: 56.326666 North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
IRISH: 55.65% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
SERBIANS: 46.76% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
FRENCH: 42.79% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
BULGARIANS: 38.6% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
SPANISH GALICIA: 33.67% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
GREEK THESSALY: 30.6599996% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
SPANISH CANTABRIA: 30.1% North Sea + Baltic + Eastern European
That's interesting.
Here are my data for comparison:
North_Sea 20.12%
Baltic 31.26%
Eastern_Euro 20.44%
North_Sea+Baltic+Eastern_Euro= 71,82


-------------------------------------------
West_Med 6.36%
East_Med -
------------------------------------------
Red_Sea 1.30%
West_Asian 4.70%
West_Asian+Red_Sea= 6%
-----------------------------------------

Atlantic 14.45%

[Not a Cop]

That's interesting.
Here are my data for comparison:
North_Sea 20.12%
Baltic 31.26%
Eastern_Euro 20.44%
North_Sea+Baltic+Eastern_Euro= 71,82


-------------------------------------------
West_Med 6.36%
East_Med -

Are you Southern Russian?

North_Sea 25.39%
Baltic 26.16%
Eastern_Euro 20.41%

=71,96%

Interestingly i score more N. Sea and less Baltic, but same E. Euro.

[SSlava]

Are you Southern Russian?

[22:27:39] KG: Yes, in the south of Russia. My ancestors are Cossacks from the North Caucasus, the peasants colonists. Well, those who in the 19th century went to the Caucasus))

[MINARDOWICZ]

An excellent thread Minard thank you for creating it. Here are my scores below.

Population
North_Sea 31.10%
Atlantic 20.43%
Baltic 10.15%
Eastern_Euro 12.53%
West_Med 7.55%
West_Asian 4.79%
East_Med 7.85%
Red_Sea 1.47%
South_Asian 1.06%
Southeast_Asian 0.21%
Siberian 1.01%
Amerindian 0.91%
Oceanian 0.96%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

North_Sea+Baltic+Eastern_Euro=53.78%.

So you are similar to the French...

[Dani Cutie]

Is based on Dodecad not?