Are Romanians more Slavic or Turkish looking

[Corvus]

Opinion differs on that. What do you think and illustrate your argumentation with examples

[Borna]

Balkan looking.

[Stefan_Dusan]

To me Slavic looking. Why would they look Turkish?

[Longbowman]

Obvious troll thread is obvious.

[Corvus]

To me Slavic looking. Why would they look Turkish?

Turkish occupation of parts of Romania was long lasting and the geographic proximity to Turkey is undenyable.
There is a significant overlap in my eyes

[TheForeigner]

Turkish occupation of parts of Romania was long lasting and the geographic proximity to Turkey is undenyable.
There is a significant overlap in my eyes

You can pass as Turk easily. I've seen your photos. You don't look French, let alone Austrian. I think we know you are a Turkish gastarbeiter.

[SKYNET]

Lol


neither

[Highlands]

Some are more Balkan looking, others more Slavic.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Turkish occupation of parts of Romania was long lasting and the geographic proximity to Turkey is undenyable.
There is a significant overlap in my eyes

Not really Wallahia was one of those regions of the Balkans never fully conquered by the Turks. Have u heard of Dracula?

[Corvus]

You can pass as Turk easily. I've seen your photos. You don't look French, let alone Austrian. I think we know you are a Turkish gastarbeiter.

So what. This thread is not about me

[TheForeigner]

Well Stefan Dusan has allready pointed out that Wallachia and Moldavia were never quite conquered or fully incorporated into the Ottoman Empire. They were tributary principalities with internal autonomy and never settled by Turks. There is no Romanian Muslim minority either because of this. Only small areas near the border were annexed by Turkish Empire and Dobruja which had not been ruled by Romanians during most of Middlle Ages. In Dobruja there is a small Turko-Tatar minority, but because of religious differences there was very little intermarriage. Romanians here come from other parts of the country, since this was multiethnic region with small Romanian community before annexation by newly independent Romania in 1878. Otherwise there is some minor overlap with Turks, but only with the more swarthy and exotic Romanians and especially those with recent and substantial Gypsy admixture.

[StonyArabia]

They look like other Balkan people

[TheForeigner]

I'd say in general Romanians look like Albanians and South Slavs and even East Slavs,Greeks and Italians a bit. Diverse ethnic origins equals diverse phenotypes.

[special]

Slavic

[Ianus]

Between Balkanic and East European look, with some gypsoid features.

[TheForeigner]

Between Balkanic and East European look, with some gypsoid features.

Some Romanians have Gypsy ancestry and features, but not most.

[Antimage]

what is slavic looking? Slavic looking like poles? like russians? or croats? serbs? etc define what "slavic looking" means

[Antimage]

They look like other Balkan people

I think they look different than croatians

[Nurzat]

Corvus would pass in Romania as Turk rather than Slav, especially in the North.

[Cristiano viejo]

what is slavic looking? Slavic looking like poles? like russians? or croats? serbs? etc define what "slavic looking" means
That is the point. Definitely Romanians dont look like Poles or Russians, and that is the Slavic look to me.

[Cern]

I think they looks slavic and balkanoid.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?127015-Romanian-girls-love

[Corvus]

Corvus would pass in Romania as Turk rather than Slav, especially in the North.

Again this thread is not about me. So ok I am Turkish looking despite definitly not beeing Turkish and not Islamic.
Nothing bad about that though

[Kalimtari]

mostly Balkanic and trans-Pontic (similar to Ukrainians fe)

[Trun]

Neither because they are neither Slavs nor Turks.

[Shepherd]

Slavic of course, and not just south Slavs either, many look Ukrainian.

[Stears]

Not really Wallahia was one of those regions of the Balkans never fully conquered by the Turks. Have u heard of Dracula?

Wrong. See historic maps of Ottoman Empire.

[Stears]

Slavic of course, and not just south Slavs either, many look Ukrainian.

Romanians are typical wog. That's why the "gypsy" nickname is so frequent for romanians.

[Stears]

I think they look different than croatians

Only 2% of modern Croatia located on Balkan peninsula.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans

[Longbowman]

Only 2% of modern Croatia located on Balkan peninsula.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans

This is not 2%:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Balkan_topo_en.jpg

[Antimage]

Only 2% of modern Croatia located on Balkan peninsula.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans
romania is partially balkan too, so what
i was replying to the guy whose statement implied that romanians are balkan people

[Bloodsport]

I think a significant percentage of Romanians could pass perfectly in Cyprus.

[Shepherd]

Romanians are typical wog. That's why the "gypsy" nickname is so frequent for romanians.

Cant tell if srs

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/03/article-0-00C6E0F21000044C-990_634x391.jpg

[Stears]

Cant tell if srs http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/03/article-0-00C6E0F21000044C-990_634x391.jpg ROMANIAN UNIVERSITY STUDENTS. Why are average romanians so swarthy?

Forget the dyed hair of women, concentrate only on the men (who rarely have dyed hair).

http://ziuadedolj.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IMAG1504.jpg http://swarm.cs.pub.ro/~laura/blog/files/CDL_2011_all.jpg http://www.swiminthedigitalworld.eu/site/wp-content/gallery/ubb/romanian_team.gif http://www.kmfap.com/upload/Image/Pictures/Ionac_2(1).jpg https://momentumeurope.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/romania5.jpg[/IMG] http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xo_jyqInhBs/TZHqv7aD5rI/AAAAAAAAASs/KqKd3Q1uE7A/s1600/romania.JPG http://www.livingknowledge.org/livingknowledge/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/PERARES_Group.jpg http://statics.erasmusu.com/originals/accommodation-students-bucharest-nearby-piata-romana-9c4a15964921fc915f668fb95bd2fc85.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Protest_15_septembrie_Pia%C8%9Ba_Universit%C4%83%C 8%9Bii_bgiu.jpg http://karpaten-meat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/IMG_3762-compress.jpg http://www.orange.ro/newsroom/images/stories/comunicate2013/oep_2013_r-19_taiat.jpg http://iasifun.ziaruldeiasi.ro/wp-content/gallery/paula-seling-usamv-iasi/paula-seling-la-usamv-iasi5.jpg http://blogunteer.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/10007373_10153919538150623_726690121_o.jpg http://www.problemelecetatii.ro/upload/images/problemele-cetatii-narcise-natura.jpg http://www.uaic.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cfa-studenti-uaic.jpg http://www.studentipracticieni.ro/documente/dida230412/dscn4.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jVNxCke5V3o/UyxZDuRSnpI/AAAAAAAAtKk/4I2Z3OAqM1E/s1600/elsa.jpg http://ushfmi.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/mta17.jpg http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/O6e2XZiJLsA/maxresdefault.jpg

[Shepherd]

ROMANIAN UNIVERSITY STUDENTS. Why are average romanians so swarthy?

Forget the dyed hair of women, concentrate only on the men (who rarely have dyed hair).


maybe theyre from a warm part of Romania :D

the pic I posted is from the UK I believe, so you can see how white they can get in "optimal" weather lol

either way even in the pics you posted their features are European

[Stears]

maybe theyre from a warm part of Romania :D the pic I posted is from the UK I believe, so you can see how white they can get in "optimal" weather lol either way even in the pics you posted their features are European Warm part?? Bucharest Iasi Constanta.

[Stears]

Short video about Romanian "white-power" nazi movement: (AGAIN: DO NOT count the dyed hair of women and the grey hair of older people)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViviKoVieEI

[Corvus]

maybe theyre from a warm part of Romania :D

the pic I posted is from the UK I believe, so you can see how white they can get in "optimal" weather lol

either way even in the pics you posted their features are European

The truth is in between. It depends on the region of Romania. In Bukovina and Transylvania Romanians tend to look Slavic, but bear in mind that there is a significant amount of Hungarians and former Germans.

In Walachia and in the capital as well as near the sea Romanians are almost exclusivly dark haired and not a small perecentage pretty much Turkish looking

[Stears]

Romanians (as other balkanite nations) have high ratio of middle-eastern J haplogroup markers and high ratio of negroid E1B1. That's why they look less European. http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[Shepherd]

Romanians (as other balkanite nations) have high ratio of middle-eastern J haplogroup markers and high ratio of negroid E1B1. That's why they look less European. http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

J2 is not really middle eastern nor is E1B1 negroid

[Shepherd]

The truth is in between. It depends on the region of Romania. In Bukovina and Transylvania Romanians tend to look Slavic, but bear in mind that there is a significant amount of Hungarians and former Germans.

In Walachia and in the capital as well as near the sea Romanians are almost exclusivly dark haired and not a small perecentage pretty much Turkish looking

youre overestimating what turks actually look like

http://www.aawsat.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/turkey-syria-bombing-e1368453044163.jpg

[Corvus]

youre overestimating what turks actually look like

http://www.aawsat.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/turkey-syria-bombing-e1368453044163.jpg

These are not Turks, these are Kurds. Why should Turks tear apart their flag....

[Stears]

J2 is not really middle eastern nor is E1B1 negroid The highest ratio of J haplogroups are represented in Arabic countries. The highest ratio of E1B1 are represented in Somalia Kenya Ethiopia. Any further questions?

[Shepherd]

These are not Turks, these are Kurds. Why should Turks tear apart their flag....

good point, my bad

still, Romanians don't look like this
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Turkish_people_in_Belgium.jpg

[Shepherd]

The highest ratio of J haplogroups are represented in Arabic countries. The highest ratio of E1B1 are represented in Somalia Kenya Ethiopia. Any further questions?

J2 is concentrated in southern Europe and Anatolia

J1 which is in Arab countries isn't present in Romania at all

[Stears]

J2 is concentrated in southern Europe and Anatolia J1 which is in Arab countries isn't present in Romania at all J2 is common in arabia.

[Stears]

Bucharest protest

https://mapofhope.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/4-die-aktion-stiec39f-auf-groc39fes-interesse-bei-den-rumc3a4nischen-medien-c-vier-pfoten-matthias-schickhofer.jpg http://one-europe.info/user/files/rosiamontana.jpg

Istambul protest

http://www.uncubemagazine.com/sixcms/media.php/1323/tumblr_mnqb7v8YdN1ste7qoo1_1280.jpg

[Stears]

bump

[Trun]

I think a significant percentage of Romanians could pass perfectly in Cyprus.

I hope you aren't judging from Romanian workers in Cyprus because many of them aren't ethnic Romanians.

[Teja]

Ah shit I thought you were speaking about gypsies. Original Romanians doesn't look like turks afaik.

[Bloodsport]

I hope you aren't judging from Romanian workers in Cyprus because many of them aren't ethnic Romanians.

That's not true, I know ethnic Romanians who work in hotels in Cyprus. I'm always very cautious about not confusing gypsies with the native population.

[Trun]

That's not true, I know ethnic Romanians who work in hotels in Cyprus. I'm always very cautious about not confusing gypsies with the native population.

What percentage of Romanians or Bulgarians can pass as Cypriot?

[Bloodsport]

What percentage of Romanians or Bulgarians can pass as Cypriot?

I've been looking at various nightclub photos in Bucharest to get a better picture (yes I know this is not the ideal way) and I'd say at least 50% could be Cypriot. The Romanians I know personally almost all of them would pass in Cyprus. Bulgaria has less people that could pass as Bulgarians look purely south Slavic to me.

[Trun]

I've been looking at various nightclub photos in Bucharest to get a better picture (yes I know this is not the ideal way) and I'd say at least 50% could be Cypriot. The Romanians I know personally almost all of them would pass in Cyprus. Bulgaria has less people that could pass as Bulgarians look purely south Slavic to me.

It should be the opposite as Bulgarians are usually more southern looking than Romanians. Nightclubs aren't representative because many people going there aren't ethnic Romanians.

[Bloodsport]

It should be the opposite as Bulgarians are usually more southern looking than Romanians. Nightclubs aren't representative because many people going there aren't ethnic Romanians.

How does anyone base their opinions though? Even googling people or judging by football teams or whatever is not a 'real' representation. And most people cannot afford to visit every single place on the planet. I've probably been to more countries than most people on this board, for example but others still give their opinion.

In my personal life, the Romanians I've met have have mostly looked tanned, southern and have facial features that would not be atypical for Cyprus. The Bulgarians I've met not as many, but they'd fit a little better in mainland Greece.

[Chimera]

How does anyone base their opinions though? Even googling people or judging by football teams or whatever is not a 'real' representation. And most people cannot afford to visit every single place on the planet. I've probably been to more countries than most people on this board, for example but others still give their opinion.

In my personal life, the Romanians I've met have have mostly looked tanned, southern and have facial features that would not be atypical for Cyprus. The Bulgarians I've met not as many, but they'd fit a little better in mainland Greece.

Bro, countless of Bulgarians and especially Romanians/Moldovans would stick out like a sore thumb in Cyprus. I see them on daily basis so I know what I am talking about.

[Trun]

How does anyone base their opinions though?

I haven't seen many Romanians irl but their country is geographically and genetically norther than Bulgaria so I suppose they would be lighter.

Those who I have seen looked very much like Bulgarians but they were all from Southern Romania. Note that many Romanians have distant or recent gypsy ancestry.


Bro, countless of Bulgarians and especially Romanians/Moldovans would stick out like a sore thumb in Cyprus. I see them on daily basis so I know what I am talking about.

Where are you from, Greece?

[Aeoli]

Slavic and Turkish are not equal thing, so how can you compare them?

you can ask;

Russian or Turkish OR Slavic or Turkic

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52694

if you mean Russians and Polish as Slavic, they are just as close as Turks


52695

but some groups looking like more Turkish

but in generally they are looking like South Slavs

[Roy]

Romanians don't look like Turks, they are more similar in appearance to their Slavic neighbours.

[Azamat]

These are not Turks, these are Kurds. Why should Turks tear apart their flag....1. A reverse image search yields zero references to Kurds (https://www.google.nl/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZisofBi7E6KzQrvRz8umfZ6YPR0948b 1aL-IzfbyUwtjXqiiDL-FnzU1K_1ctFMMouON3lS2AkTOwCXspOmLJ2ENw-Ap7Y7mn2eaBXtVLNsdn63g6c8XqLUI4wF5K7-OBqLVZdP47xqfg4uQyBVvxq6eIPAQTQEKLfrQix9B69YBp_1fg jAUNH-RcGzTy6aUbvggBCaCTv7NBjBJqfq2Uq6QgaqGLWm6xucAWMMsa RezoooAZpldnf-oJEVAs3RdbRvXNYzSBKTEjpPqAWoaxy067smgzzvznGFSLwCDR XNLpM6Oa49tlVREwSShnulZS6qeSx8dNUOBAnO0os9z2cou4ze UK0AmMexhuBoggUESQOUyvH0lWpoE9Ce27LgLxEk-hUEEwzxxcMSmasyhYIfK1WN5O2HiYw4wKDPJb7PVEk7ELvKu_1 GZHdQu8MqqmaLnohFBABw2A_14hlnG_1E4u-zIymrQO-tyoDLwqQed4gWkzeZt7AeCdlX3VyztUdgkoIEg-jFhp0ZMLBO7vswLJq15c1FaIsY1xNf2P9_1m1STgA9rliUJoCP sh2BiopIHGj5cwfT2dQTOhtQGcjKAroHWrvFtJNNephkveiDK7 RS9PfH5ApeTAwCPivRuSdx-FhyNMlizHYhXSfBq4lY9xMlhJptnpJgfzKkfVKK6Isa0MGj4ry UMN1kuWPJVA9qwpxXUlt6HOeDhdHC1Bjsua4d1AP4_10m_1AVS o55Or77bVc-s2vUBQHZXTkUj3w8a4CYjjirg9PFppx26juiPPla5UTegp8m4p Rz2e68SEPhAsydkc1-kKVhUZ0JCcbUw5SySHrLpej_1voKr5PdRMbT2qjeptYbt0W4cQ Wjzdg-FlI_1nwhBDvlZ0Di37PRiwLzF5TJl6PZzSw7kppd_1tNQsYJ5l 68SFlh-mCfuaOwdyXcGykin-u0_13RNFdMAY0H6cbboh8Sn63_1rLrq1YYk8MjuxXlLAHGcTkX zgytvCz5kojNqm_1kCyxaRJH3jZu8qDpUVCuV4UEFKpMUhLVyV KpQfa-fr9b_1jUbk1d-7k6JZx8HQ61xoWR5Ma6UogpzSa6KhRGJ6RagptKoUgzg5w5RYj UJHXFK3rPzNMG2R0384pvy8a7Xu0GNDdGgrU6OoeBeZsuHyH7R 1t4_1SN54PTYJZkDEEMgXzwBNewgZ6f_1HiL_1YxySzydEhaJh uNu4Yvrzwz3HmZ8mM0PDClsyqMtUuP34sxVYFDB2_1br7i1xsI wWGi5bFLpcjDf4nTUnQ3mJJ_1lQWvdlbwJn-QFydcO1RQQH0dweXlg23J9V-jdWuSaXWLCIf7NQ4ULHdwb070GVYOlp9-E-pMD86Vag5Vg11wjNR2d9z5CFKFg&biw=1280&bih=887&site=search&sa=X&ei=Bbd7VPzhO4XaOP6CgcAF&ved=0CB0Q9Q8oAA), minus comments from this very forum.
2. The photo was taken in Reyhanli. Reyhanli is situated in a province (Hatay) that is majority-Arab and Turkish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatay_Province#Demography). Kurds form a minority.
3. Reyhanli is a destination for Syrian refugees (https://www.google.nl/search?q=turkish+people&biw=1280&bih=887&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=m7l7VNCLCIjWPZesgcAG&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&dpr=1#q=Reyhanli+refugees) and hosts a Syrian refugee camp. Neither the native Alawite Arabs or the refugees are at good terms with the government, and too have reason to tear the flag.
4. Kurds do not look like that (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?100661-Kurdish-people).

Conclusion: they are Arabs, not Kurds.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Bucharest protest

https://mapofhope.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/4-die-aktion-stiec39f-auf-groc39fes-interesse-bei-den-rumc3a4nischen-medien-c-vier-pfoten-matthias-schickhofer.jpg http://one-europe.info/user/files/rosiamontana.jpg

Istambul protest

http://www.uncubemagazine.com/sixcms/media.php/1323/tumblr_mnqb7v8YdN1ste7qoo1_1280.jpg

Hungarians
http://www.b92.net/news/pics/2013/03/11/181287244513dc8508e8de536640589_v4big.jpg
http://static3.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/3000-7/photos/1382603747-hungarians-commemorate-the-uprising-of-1956_3033157.jpg
http://www.ziuanews.ro/static/images/unguri_interior.jpg
http://storage0.dms.mpinteractiv.ro/media/1/1/3614/11298974/1/violente-main-bogdan-iordache.jpg?width=400
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HtSI6QxIfSg/TJPyqjxYrkI/AAAAAAAAFRU/0L0L6i4jc2M/s1600/nemzetijelkepekdac02.jpg
http://www.expresspress.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/marko_bella_31811800.jpg
http://www.voceatransilvaniei.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Kelemen-Hunor.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Marsz_Niepodleg%C5%82o%C5%9Bci_2013_Vona_Gabor.jpg

On the other hand romanains
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/03/article-0-00C6E0F21000044C-990_634x391.jpg
http://www.eugeneparnell.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/romanian_bears_2.jpg
http://rumanian.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/romanians-maramures-romanian-girls-romania.jpg
https://romaniadacia.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/romanians-folk-dance-traditional-dresses-eastern-europe.jpeg
http://www.panacomp.net/uploaded/dacian-man-fight-stance-romanians.jpg
http://data3.whicdn.com/images/34675731/large.jpg
http://roumanians.wordpress.com/files/2009/08/romanians-actress.jpg
http://www.romaniatourism.com/images/maramures/maramures-dinu-lazar2.jpg
http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/34600000/Alexandra-Dinu-romanian-actors-famous-romanians-alexandra-dinu-34670123-728-480.jpg


I've been looking at various nightclub photos in Bucharest to get a better picture (yes I know this is not the ideal way) and I'd say at least 50% could be Cypriot. The Romanians I know personally almost all of them would pass in Cyprus. Bulgaria has less people that could pass as Bulgarians look purely south Slavic to me.
Keep looking and buy a pair of glasses.

[Ctwentysevenj]

The areas of Romania where there is significant Slavic influence, yes Slavic.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Slavic looking Romanian girl
http://www.europeword.com/images/romania/romanian_people1.jpg

[Stears]

Hungarians http://www.b92.net/news/pics/2013/03/11/181287244513dc8508e8de536640589_v4big.jpg http://static3.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/3000-7/photos/1382603747-hungarians-commemorate-the-uprising-of-1956_3033157.jpg http://www.ziuanews.ro/static/images/unguri_interior.jpg http://storage0.dms.mpinteractiv.ro/media/1/1/3614/11298974/1/violente-main-bogdan-iordache.jpg?width=400 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HtSI6QxIfSg/TJPyqjxYrkI/AAAAAAAAFRU/0L0L6i4jc2M/s1600/nemzetijelkepekdac02.jpg http://www.expresspress.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/marko_bella_31811800.jpg http://www.voceatransilvaniei.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Kelemen-Hunor.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Marsz_Niepodleg%C5%82o%C5%9Bci_2013_Vona_Gabor.jpg On the other hand romanains http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/03/article-0-00C6E0F21000044C-990_634x391.jpg http://www.eugeneparnell.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/romanian_bears_2.jpg http://rumanian.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/romanians-maramures-romanian-girls-romania.jpg https://romaniadacia.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/romanians-folk-dance-traditional-dresses-eastern-europe.jpeg http://www.panacomp.net/uploaded/dacian-man-fight-stance-romanians.jpg http://data3.whicdn.com/images/34675731/large.jpg http://roumanians.wordpress.com/files/2009/08/romanians-actress.jpg http://www.romaniatourism.com/images/maramures/maramures-dinu-lazar2.jpg http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/34600000/Alexandra-Dinu-romanian-actors-famous-romanians-alexandra-dinu-34670123-728-480.jpg Keep looking and buy a pair of glasses. Sorry but Gábor Vona has Italian-Slovak ancestry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A1bor_Vona Brown eyes with black hair olive skin in Hungary is considered Gypsy look. However is natural in romania.

[Stears]

Around 80% of the Romanian population have black hair (DO NOT count the dyed hair of women and the grey hair of older people)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRrFUs87uIU

Romanian "white-power" nazi movement:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViviKoVieEI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pE2WZ1YXuoE#t=170


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wFzdNO0WM8

[Stears]

Again, do not count the women's dyed hair. Count only the men.

http://greenly.ro/greenly.ro//wp-content/uploads/2012/06/412677_3299171803895_1379587349_o.jpg http://esibian.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Peste-2.000-de-tineri-au-devenit-studenti-ai-ULBS2.jpg http://www.uaic.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_8414.jpg http://static.oradestiri.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Studenti-de-la-Facultatea-de-Teologie-din-Craiova.jpg http://www.cipe.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/li-romania-protest-620-rtr2.jpg http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn2/feeds/Associated%20Press/2014/11/09/876/493/7d7ca81e137be02c640f6a706700ce96.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2013-09/07/132699611_11n.jpg http://www.channel4.com/media/images/Channel4/c4-news/2014/February/18/18_fracking2_w_LRG.jpg http://studentipentruviata.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/1239676_231903117001061_771053533_n.jpg http://www.ziarulunirea.ro/wp-content/gallery/ceremonie-absolventi-drept-universitatea-alba-iulia/ceremonie-absolventi-drept-universitate-alba-iulia-10.jpg http://ww1.emu.edu.tr/emu_v1/media/assets/images/news/2014/04/dsc2590.jpg https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR8f6miOtUXZtEQ8daQbp_9DE1QP-9f7fB5YqthJ5rnWyfMTqUVrw [IMG]https://ilustratiicrestine.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/studenti_in_sesiune.jpg http://www.opiniatimisoarei.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/tariceanu-uvt-studenti.jpg http://www.opiniatimisoarei.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/repartitie-locuri-rezidentiat-studenti-medicina-1.jpg http://www.observatorcl.info/files/imagecache/foto-mare/121125-rezidentiat.jpg http://educatlaiasi.ro/uploadpoze/18%20iunie%20schimburi%20studenti%20cluj-%20china.jpg http://www.slicker.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/1630_576925715659992_626993525_n.jpg

[Zmey Gorynych]

Brown eyes with black hair olive skin in Hungary is considered Gypsy look.
Yeah, yeah :laugh: Say hello to the president.

http://ais.badische-zeitung.de/piece/03/7b/81/76/58425718.jpg

[Stears]

Yeah, yeah :laugh: Say hello to the president. http://ais.badische-zeitung.de/piece/03/7b/81/76/58425718.jpg Ader is not ethnic Hungarian. Even his name is German. He has mixed ancestry, he has typical slovak face. He was born in Csorna (slovak and german minority town) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A1nos_%C3%81der

[Zmey Gorynych]

Ader is not ethnic Hungarian. Even his name is German. He has mixed ancestry, he He has slovak face. He was born in Csorna (slovak and german minority town) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A1nos_%C3%81der
Are there any hungarians left in Hungary? :laugh:

[Stears]

Are there any hungarians left in Hungary? :laugh: Dear romani-gypsy. Ader is the typical Slovak man. It would be an excelent good photo for Slovak people article in the English wikipedia.

[Artek]

Romanians look like a mix between Greek-like population and Polish-like population(with some extremes on both sides). And they are placed genetically like this, so I don't know why such(troll?) thread is needed.

So the answer is - neither.

[Pausanias]

True romanians: slavic & neither

Gypsy romanians: turks

[Stears]

Romanians look like a mix between Greek-like population and Polish-like population(with some extremes on both sides). And they are placed genetically like this, so I don't know why such(troll?) thread is needed. So the answer is - neither. Wrong. Romanians are average dark pigmented people.

Skin tone map: http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/Map_of_skin_hue_equi.png Hair color map http://uclahealthservices.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hair_color_map_europe.png Eye color map: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ilng4Lm9CI0/UKoaYrEoD_I/AAAAAAAAATw/8NebRqUEAOk/s1600/eyecolour.png

[Zmey Gorynych]

Wrong. Romanians are average dark pigmented people.

Skin tone map: http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/Map_of_skin_hue_equi.png Hair color map http://uclahealthservices.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hair_color_map_europe.png Eye color map: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ilng4Lm9CI0/UKoaYrEoD_I/AAAAAAAAATw/8NebRqUEAOk/s1600/eyecolour.png
Bullshit maps. Moldavia has more people with lighter eyes (maybe hair too) than Hungary, of that I'm sure.

[Stears]

Bullshit maps. Moldavia has more people with lighter eyes (maybe hair too) than Hungary, of that I'm sure. HAhaha. Even southern Ukraine is darker pigmented than Hungarians.

[wvwvw]

I know a few Moldovians in Greece, they're all blond and very Russian/Ukrainian looking.

[Zmey Gorynych]

HAhaha. Even southern Ukraine is darker pigmented than Hungarians.
When have you dreamt this?

[Stears]

When have you dreamt this? Unlike you, I was in these countries.

[Stears]

MY NEW THREAD ABOUT AVERAGE UKRAINIANS: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?149908-Classify-Average-UKRAINIAN-UNIVERSITY-STUDENTS

[Rugevit]

HAhaha. Even southern Ukraine is darker pigmented than Hungarians.

Southern Ukraine was an empty land till conquered by Catherine the Great. Southern Ukraine was settled by Ukrainian (~45%) and Russians (~45%) and the rest were Belarusians, Germans, pontic Greeks, Jews in the 19th century. The darker phenotype among Ukrainians is commonly found in areas around Romania and Moldova.



Southern Ukrainians


http://oi62.tinypic.com/2rr8oyd.jpg

[Antimage]

Southern Ukraine was an empty land till conquered by Catherine the Great. Southern Ukraine was settled by Ukrainian (~45%) and Russians (~45%) and the rest were Belarusians, Germans, pontic Greeks, Jews in the 19th century. The darker phenotype among Ukrainians is commonly found in areas around Romania and Moldova.


Southern Ukrainians


http://oi62.tinypic.com/2rr8oyd.jpg

greeks, germans, crimean tatars and many other lived in crimea

[Rugevit]

greeks, germans, crimean tatars and many other lived in crimea

Crimea isn't the only region of southern Ukraine. Besides, I mentioned pontic Greeks and Germans, who were never a majority. Crimean Tatars were not mixing with Christians. The figures I was presenting above is from a scholarly article published in Ukraine.

Map of 1897 showing the region as New Russia (old name) after it was annexed from Crimean Khanate 100 years earlier.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/New_Russia_on_territory_of_Ukraine.png

[Antimage]

Crimea isn't the only region of southern Ukraine. Besides, I mentioned pontic Greeks and Germans, who were never a majority. Crimean Tatars were not mixing with Christians. The figures I was presenting above is from a scholarly article published in Ukraine.

Map of 1897 showing the region as New Russia (old name) after it was annexed from Crimean Khanate 100 years earlier.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/New_Russia_on_territory_of_Ukraine.png

where did tatars get their european appearance from? they look much more european than asian. some look almost fully european like rinat ahmetov

[Rugevit]

where did tatars get their european appearance from? they look much more european than asian. some look almost fully european like rinat ahmetov

Scythians, Goths, Pontic Greeks? Crimean Tatars are not even close genetically to eastern Slavs. They are similar to Pontic Greeks. MDLP project included samples for Crimean Tatars and Pontic Greeks.

[Stears]

Southern Ukraine was an empty land till conquered by Catherine the Great. Southern Ukraine was settled by Ukrainian (~45%) and Russians (~45%) and the rest were Belarusians, Germans, pontic Greeks, Jews in the 19th century. The darker phenotype among Ukrainians is commonly found in areas around Romania and Moldova.



Southern Ukrainians


http://oi62.tinypic.com/2rr8oyd.jpg

Cherry picked atypical ukrainian. Despite of this asian features are visible (armenoid noseform etc) (The women has dyed hair, despite the young age of the boy , it is visible that his hair became dark by time.

[Rugevit]

Cherry picked atypical ukrainian. Despite of this asian features are visible (armenoid noseform etc) (The women has dyed hair, despite the young age of the boy , it is visible that his hair became dark by time.

I can cherry pick all day long as this phenotype is not atypical for southern Ukraine. Woman has blue eyes and fair skin. Unlikely , she dyed her hair.

[Rugevit]

Southern Ukrainians


http://oi57.tinypic.com/21nr2fm.jpg


http://s24.postimg.org/3sxcwr3it/image1.jpg

http://s18.postimg.org/m7ganrl6x/image2.jpg

[Stears]

Southern Ukrainians http://oi57.tinypic.com/21nr2fm.jpg http://s24.postimg.org/3sxcwr3it/image1.jpg http://s18.postimg.org/m7ganrl6x/image2.jpg Ukrainian children photos... and some girld have dyed hair. Look the older boys. Third picture: Typical dyed hair women.

[Rugevit]

Children photos... and some girld have dyed hair. Look the older boys.Second picture: Typical dyed hair women.

Woman on the last picture has freckled skin, blue eyes and sun-burnt nose. Girls on the first picture are not considered blond in Ukraine. They have natural brown hair. Maybe that colour is considered blond in Hungary or Romania, but not in Ukraine.

[Stears]

Woman on the last picture has freckled skin, blue eyes and sun-burnt nose. Girls on the first picture are not considered blond in Ukraine. They have natural brown hair. Maybe that colour is considered blond in Hungary or Romania, but not in Ukraine. Ukrainians and European Russians are not blond people. Only 10-15% of them are blond. However slim majority of ukrainians have brown eyes. I traveled there, so you can't say what you want...

[Stears]

Watch the ukrainian men without hats and caps. (watch them in 720p resolution)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRVL3VhJ4Sk

[Rugevit]

Southern Ukrainians



http://s24.postimg.org/48jnmqzyt/image1.jpg


http://s12.postimg.org/r3p99yuml/image2.jpg


http://s30.postimg.org/twdouck41/imag3.jpg


http://s30.postimg.org/erhkwtvwx/image5.jpg


http://s27.postimg.org/x44fpo4er/image8.jpg


http://s12.postimg.org/yfzat928d/image9.jpg

[Rugevit]

Watch the ukrainian men without hats and caps. (watch them in 720p resolution)

Kiev is a cosmopolitan city attracted people from all over USSR in the last 70 years. I am posting pictures of villagers and people from small towns of southern Ukraine.

[Stears]

Kiev is a cosmopolitan city attracted people from all over USSR in the last 70 years. I am posting pictures of villagers and people from small towns of southern Ukraine.

Stop cherry picking of carefully selected photos. The pick up some selected persons are not proof. I can cherry pick photos about blond turks.... Mass demonstrations , university students in great lecture halls, assembly halls, or sport fans in great arenas are more reliable sources.

[Rugevit]

Stop cherry picking of carefully selected photos. The pick up some selected persons are not proof. I can cherry pick photos about blond turks.... Mass demonstrations , university students in great lecture halls, assembly halls, or sport fans in great arenas are more reliable sources.

I 've told you I can cherry pick such phenotype all day long filling 50 pages in a topic, because this phenotype is not atypical for southern Ukraine. Southern Ukraine was settled by different ethnicities including Russians, Germans and Belarusians in the 19th century.


More southern Ukrainians


http://s27.postimg.org/9c07ysl77/imag1.jpg


http://s1.postimg.org/473cxp55b/imag2.jpg


http://s2.postimg.org/8smctvqzt/imag3.jpg



http://s27.postimg.org/fw7livolv/imag6.jpg

[Stears]

Are you crazy? You can't prove anything with the cherry picking of the photos of selefted little minority of your country.

Your weird logic (and laughable lies):<br><br>
Italians are all blond blue eyed people, because there are some light pigmented Italian people.

<br><br>Light pigmented Italians:
<br><br>

http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20120626/09/3520308153-26062012093522.jpg




https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/10247229_660060007380595_5729732157846788400_n.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-w--7J8g-t8o0NrAl7H-iLvn3zTBxfYMd-VX9YsqeNZhCgPCT


http://www.newnotizie.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/VITTORIA-RISI-800x533.jpg

http://images.football365.com/12/10/800x600/Simone-Farina_2846159.jpg

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Giovanni+Cuperlo+Italian+Democratic+Party+y2DAX6NK 2wYl.jpg

http://net-storage.tccstatic.com/storage/notiziariocalcio.com/img_notizie/thumb1/060b8434e530bd3899f4620ba8e1599a-20498-d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e.jpg


http://bp2.blogger.com/_cTDUjWa53YU/R_0g7xO4r2I/AAAAAAAAAJA/bEtuablF8H8/s320/boris_johnson.jpg

http://static.episode39.it/artist/34212.jpg?t=1256571815[/IMG]



http://images.virgilio.it/sg/cinema-tv2009/upload/fla/flavia_vento_ansa.jpg


http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/4098803_kelto.jpg



http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BODgzMjUyOTEwOV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzkwNTIzOA@@._ V1_SY1200_CR115,0,630,1200_AL_.jpg

[Rugevit]

Are you crazy? You can't prove anything with the cherry picking of the photos of selefted little minority of your country.

Your weird logic (and laughable lies):<br><br>
Italians are all blond blue eyed people, because there are some light pigmented Italian people.


Weirdo! Ukraine is not my country. But I visited southern Ukraine during summers on many occasions.

[Stears]

Weirdo! Ukraine is not my country. But I visited southern Ukraine during summers on many occasions.


Lies. You are an ukran descendant. That's all.

[Rugevit]

Lies. You are an ukran descendant. That's all.

Not only phenotypically Ukrainians are lighter, they also genetically are more northern than Hungarians, Romanians and Moldovans confirmed in many formal studies.

[Stears]

Not only phenotypically Ukrainians are lighter, they also genetically are more northern than Hungarians, Romanians and Moldovans confirmed in many formal studies.

Are you crazy?
Ukrainians as ALL eastern slavs have mongoloid vibe on their facial features, and it is also confirmed by genetics.

Do you think their mongoloid markers? Central asian Q and mongoloid N? See the largest pop. genetic chart of Europe http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Moldavians and Romanians do not look white. So it is no wonder that Hungarians call romanians as gypsy. In Hungarian language oláh means romanian and also gypsy. Due to their average hair skin and eye color.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Are you crazy?

Do you think their mongoloid markers? Central asian Q and mongoloid N? See the largest pop. genetic chart of Europe http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Ukrainians as ALL eastern slavs have mongoloid vibe on their facial features, and it is also confirmed by genetics. Moldavians and Romanians do not look white. So it is no wonder that Hungarians call romanians as gypsy. In Hungarian language oláh means romanian and also gypsy.

Stears, who are the closest people in terms of look to Hungarians?

[Stears]

Hungarian students. Just feel the difference.

http://www.bankkartya.hu/js/ckfinder/userfiles/images/2013/AftabAhmed_Citi%20vez%C3%A9rigazgat%C3%B3%20intera kt%C3%ADv%20el%C5%91ad%C3%A1st%20tart%20a%20Corvin us%20Egyetemi%20di%C3%A1kjaival_2013Oct24.jpg

http://mork.nyugat.hu/Scopes/nyugat2013/var//improxy/NyugatWXGAPicture/178930_szombathely_visszavar.jpg

http://www.szeretlekmagyarorszag.hu/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/reccs1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OicvTjVieWM/UvKHve_u5DI/AAAAAAAAAhY/eSNdUMr4KIQ/s1600/1618163_594869807229127_1329966275_o.jpg

http://www.geo.info.hu/portal2007/images/stories/andi/oklevlkiosztl.jpg

http://mork.nyugat.hu/Scopes/nyugat2013/var//improxy/NyugatWXGAPicture/194199_nyugat_magyarorszagi_egyetem_bolyai_janos_g yakorlo.jpg


http://semmelweis.hu/hirek/files/2012/07/SummerSchoolParticipants.jpg


http://tmk.sze.hu/images/Audi%20team2.jpg

http://www.sopron.hu/upload/content/25/2557/_25574/IMG_0078c.jpg



http://mefs.hu/!/images/IMG_4106.jpg


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eJeDIC7lmg4/UMJbkyjmG9I/AAAAAAAAC2U/1WwQCVqJ2k4/s1600/IMG_8898.jpg


http://crnl.hu/!old/tan/tesi/rokauzok_2011_10_08/11.jpg


http://www.refdunantul.hu/data/sentphoto/2011/03/09/egyetemi_csoportk%C3%A9p.jpg


http://veol.hu/data/cikk/129/2688/cikk_1292688/pannonponthuzo.jpg


https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkM1-6DQk-HueJJ-7i-6LHdQAe4w0RmJkuY4wqHaM4rYZTu6O_


[IMG]http://semmelweis.hu/hirek/files/2011/11/felvi6.jpg


http://uj.tnt.bme.hu/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/BME-csapat.jpg

http://www.epito.bme.hu/uvt/hirek_esemenyek/kepek/15/_img_0114.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-78g3tP6zWNs/Tqp1jpdwX2I/AAAAAAAABlQ/tAtUl2KMdhI/s1600/K%25C3%25A9p%2B005.jpg


http://www.bankkartya.hu/js/ckfinder/userfiles/images/2013/AftabAhmed_Citi%20vez%C3%A9rigazgat%C3%B3%20intera kt%C3%ADv%20el%C5%91ad%C3%A1st%20tart%20a%20Corvin us%20Egyetemi%20di%C3%A1kjaival_2013Oct24.JPG

[Trun]

Stears, who are the closest people in terms of look to Hungarians?

Finns and Estonians :D

[TheForeigner]

Make sure to ignore the dyed hair of women and concentrate on the men, but say no homo from time to time!:rolleyes:

[Stears]

Make sure to ignore the dyed hair of women and concentrate on the men, but say no homo from time to time!:rolleyes:

Yes, concentrate on the men.

[TheForeigner]

Ader is not ethnic Hungarian. Even his name is German. He has mixed ancestry, he has typical slovak face. He was born in Csorna (slovak and german minority town) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A1nos_%C3%81der

So Hungarians are much lighter than even Germans and northern Slavs, who are usually swarthy?:laugh:

[Stears]

So Hungarians are much lighter than even Germans and northern Slavs, who are usually swarthy?:laugh:

80% of Russians are not blond.

[TheForeigner]

I know a few Moldovians in Greece, they're all blond and very Russian/Ukrainian looking.

Those might actually be from the Russo-Ukrainian minority. Moldovans are not as light as some claim.

[TheForeigner]

80% of Russians are not blond.

So how many adult Hungarians are? And why are Hungarians as light pigmented as you say they are? Who were the majority of the ancestors? I think the pony riders from the steppes were not too blond(especially by your standards) and only a small minority of your ancestors. You look either Central European Slav or German yourself.

[Stears]

So how many adult Hungarians are? And why are Hungarians as light pigmented as you say they are? Who were the majority of the ancestors? I think the pony riders from the steppes were not too blond(especially by your standards) and only a small minority of your ancestors. You look either Central European Slav or German yourself.

Sorry, Hungarians have never had pony, but akhal teke horses. We can not arrive from so eastern territories as the proto IE people (Western Europeans are not descendants of proto IE people)

Akhal teke was wide spred between Poland and Western Central Asia)
http://thefeaturedcreature.thefeaturedcreat.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/x4GrE-470x550.jpg<br><br>
https://kuruc.info/galeriaN/2012/akhalteke_aranyszoru.jpg


http://www.freeallimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/akhal-teke-jumping-5.jpg

[TheForeigner]

Sorry, Hungarians have never had pony, but akhal teke horses. We can not arrive from so eastern territories as the proto IE people (Western Europeans are not descendants of proto IE people)

Akhal teke was wide spred between Poland and Western Central Asia)
http://thefeaturedcreature.thefeaturedcreat.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/x4GrE-470x550.jpg<br><br>
https://kuruc.info/galeriaN/2012/akhalteke_aranyszoru.jpg


http://www.freeallimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/akhal-teke-jumping-5.jpg

So how many of your actual ancestors were akhal teke horsey riders and how blond were they or modern hungarians?

[Stears]

Ancient roman and greek armies had little horses. Do not confuse the original roman and greek horses with the english bread horses of Hollywood films.


http://www.legion-fourteen.com/cavthis061.jpg

[Stears]

So how many of your actual ancestors were akhal teke horsey riders and how blond were they or modern hungarians?

Read this books from professional experts about the horses of conqueror Hungarians.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Hungarians+akhal+teke&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1&gws_rd=ssl#tbm=bks&q=Hungarian+tribes+%22akhal+teke%22


Deal with the reality. Hungarians lived between European and Asian borderland, However you came from the deeper Asia, that's why russians have less European faces.

[TheForeigner]

Why don't you answer to the other questions Stears?

[TheForeigner]

Read this books from professional experts about the horses of conqueror Hungarians.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Hungarians+akhal+teke&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1&gws_rd=ssl#tbm=bks&q=Hungarian+tribes+%22akhal+teke%22


Deal with the reality. Hungarians lived between European and Asian borderland, However you came from the deeper Asia, that's why russians have less European faces.

I'm not Russian and the Slavs come from northern Ukraine, which is quite within Europe by any reasonable definition.

[Stears]

I'm not Russian and the Slavs come from northern Ukraine, which is quite within Europe by any reasonable definition.

It is only one hypotesis, that the slavic language appeared ukraine (slavic languages are not very old). However the pre-slav era proto-IE people (ancestors of slavs) came from iran.

[TheForeigner]

It is only one hypotesis, that the slavic language appeared ukraine (slavic languages are not very old). However the pre-slav era proto-IE people (ancestors of slavs) came from iran.

No they didn't? Where do you come with this from? Most scholars say they originated in Southern Ukraine and Southern Russian steppes, so still in Europe. A minority of scholars support an Asia Minor origin for them. Not sure if in the second hypothesis they would still be R1A people or kurgan people at later time and direct ancestors to a large degree of the kurgan people and of Proto-Slavs and Balts too.

[Stears]

No they didn't? Where do you come with this from? Most scholars say they originated in Southern Ukraine and Southern Russian steppes, so still in Europe. A minority of scholars support an Asia Minor origin for them. Not sure if in the second hypothesis they would still be R1A people or kurgan people at later time and direct ancestors to a large degree of the kurgan people and of Proto-Slavs and Balts too.


Hahahaha.... Just read it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#Migrations

[Longbowman]

Hahahaha.... Just read it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#Migrations

Sorry Stears, but this means Eastern as in Russia/Ukraine, not Eastern as in Kazakhstan/Mongolia.

[Stears]

Sorry Stears, but this means Eastern as in Russia/Ukraine, not Eastern as in Kazakhstan/Mongolia.

I think russians are from kazahstan and mongolia, like every ugly nations

[Longbowman]

I think russians are from kazahstan and mongolia, like every ugly nations

Ok.

Speaking seriously, as the Slavic language family is one of the twin branches of the Balto-Slavic group, and the Balts are, well, Baltic, it would make sense for the Slavic urheimat to be somewhere closeby, even if we didn't have other evidence to support that hypothesis.

[TheForeigner]

I think russians are from kazahstan and mongolia, like every ugly nations

Early Hungarians interacted more with Turkic nomads like Khazars(who co-founded Hungarian Kingdom), Cumans and even the Huns probably than the Slavs did.

[TheForeigner]

Ok.

Speaking seriously, as the Slavic language family is one of the twin branches of the Balto-Slavic group, and the Balts are, well, Baltic, it would make sense for the Slavic urheimat to be somewhere closeby, even if we didn't have other evidence to support that hypothesis.
But other than linguistic kinship, there is also the genetic evidence of high R1A in both Balts and Slavs. Hungarians don't usually shy away from Asiatic connections and it's usually various fools who call them Asiatic.:) Also their largest ethnic component by ancestry is probably Slavic and then Balkanic elements, so stop the self-hating!:coffee:

[Stears]

Early Hungarians interacted more with Turkic nomads like Khazars(who co-founded Hungarian Kingdom), Cumans and even the Huns probably than the Slavs did.

Wrong. Khazars did not founded Hungary. Hungarians had a military alliance with them, and we later became their enemies. Nothing more.

[Stears]

But other than linguistic kinship, there is also the genetic evidence of high R1A in both Balts and Slavs. Hungarians don't usually shy away from Asiatic connections and it's usually various fools who call them Asiatic.:) Also their largest ethnic component by ancestry is probably Slavic and then Balkanic elements, so stop the self-hating!:coffee:

Unlike Eastern slavs and the Eastern europeans, the majority of Hungarians had no weird wide round faces and strange nose-forms and weird mongoloid-inflected genetic make-up. And we have western culture, until balkan-slavs and eastern slavs have anti-western semi-asian orthodox culture.

[Stears]

Just compare Medieval Hungarian culture with russians....


Medieval Hungarian Culture (palaces churches, paintings, sculpture, music and fine-arts)
WATCH IT IN FULL HD! 5min short video. Here starts the culture.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6aZDB4JlBU

[TheForeigner]

Unlike Eastern slavs and the Eastern europeans, the majority of Hungarians had no weird wide round faces and strange nose-forms and weird mongoloid-inflected genetic make-up. And we have western culture, until balkan-slavs and eastern slavs have anti-western semi-asian orthodox culture.
Pretty sure anthropologists proved that rulling classes of Hungarians were turanid/europo-mongoloids and that of the ten tribes that conquered Pannonia and Transylvania, 3 were Khazars.

[barbatus]

Neither, they look Romanian. There are Moldovans who look Slavic though. Probably with Slavic admixture.

[Stears]

Pretty sure anthropologists proved that rulling classes of Hungarians were turanid/europo-mongoloids and that of the ten tribes that conquered Pannonia and Transylvania, 3 were Khazars.

Turanid is a fake term from 19th century. There are no turanic languages turanic race and people. According this weird idea all languages are automatically turanic in the Eurasian supercontinent which are not part of semitic or IE language groups. Later the turanid race was invented (because turanid languages also need an own race)

[Stears]

Neither, they look Romanian. There are Moldovans who look Slavic though. Probably with Slavic admixture.

So why have they swarthy look and average lower body stature?

[TheForeigner]

Then they were europo-mongoloids, if you prefer.

[Stears]

Then they were europo-mongoloids, if you prefer.


If you want to see europo mongolids, you must travel to Belorussia, Russia Ukraine etc.... And you (unlike the Hungarians) have also mongoloid paternal and maternal haplogroup markers too, which are clear proofs. Deal with the genetic reality.

[TheForeigner]

If you want to see europo mongolids, you must travel to Belorussia, Russia Ukraine etc.... And you (unlike the Hungarians) have also mongoloid paternal and maternal haplogroup markers too, which are clear proofs. Deal with the genetic reality.

I am from Romania and not a East Slavic person.

[TheForeigner]

If you want to see europo mongolids, you must travel to Belorussia, Russia Ukraine etc.... And you (unlike the Hungarians) have also mongoloid paternal and maternal haplogroup markers too, which are clear proofs. Deal with the genetic reality.

Why are you ashamed of the Turkic and Europo-Mongoloid founders of Hungary? I know only small part of Hungarians ancestry is from them, but you and many chauvinists prefer them to the vast majority of your ancestors who were conquered Central European natives and later settlers.

[Stears]

I am from Romania and not a East Slavic person.


Even worse... negroid (E1B1) and middle-eastern (J) markers in high ratio....

[Stears]

Why are you ashamed of the Turkic and Europo-Mongoloid founders of Hungary? I know only small part of Hungarians ancestry is from them, but you and many chauvinists prefer them to the vast majority of your ancestors who were conquered Central European natives and later settlers.

BEcause romanians are ine of the the most similar to turks, both genetically and in average pigmentation. Even your principalities and late-nomadic state were founded by turkic cumans.....

[TheForeigner]

BEcause romanians are ine of the the most similar to turks, both genetically and in average pigmentation.

Lol at the look of this written post from you. I must have hit a nerve there.;)

[Stears]

Lol at the look of this written post from you. I must have hit a nerve there.;)

Look photos of your people. It is no wonder that Oláh word means romanian and also gypsy in Hungarian language.

[Stears]

VLACHS (Romanians) WERE THE LATEST NOMADIC ETHNIC GROUP IN EUROPE. Vlachs were known as late - nomadic people in medieval chronicles. The first romanian vlach churches were built only around the turn of the 13th and 14th century. No known archiutecture existed before that period. The romanian literacy and chronicles appeared only in the 15th century.USE Google books! (The word's largest digitalized library, the largest collection of printed books) See the google book results (search the british american candian authors about medieval romanians Vlachs):


Carleton Stevens Coon: The races of Europe, Page 614
" Vlach colonists are nomads living in black tents like those of ... A greater variation is found in the cephalic index; on the plains of Moldavia and Wallachia, and in the Dobruja"


Robert William Seton-Watson: A history of the Roumanians: from Roman times to the completion of unity, page: 12
"The Roumanians undoubtedly preserved their nomadic habits to a very late date, as is proved by the existence of Vlach colonies in Moravia (the so-called "Little Wallachia" — long since completely Slavised)"


Mandell Creighton, Justin Winsor, Samuel Rawson Gardiner: The English Historical Review page:- 615.
"He shows that the Vlachs of the Balkan peninsula throughout the middle ages are nomads of the strictest type, ... that Vlachs began to move north of the Danube to Wallachia and Transylvania "


Joan E. Durrant, Anne B. Smith Global Pathways to Abolishing Physical Punishment: Realizing Children’s Rights ( PAGE 210)

"Between the 3rd century A.D. and the 14th century A.D., Dacia was invaded successively by nomadic peoples, including the ... Romanians "


Norman Berdichevsky: Nations, Language and Citizenship -page: 181.
"The “true Romanians” are held to be interlopers who were nomadic shepherds that migrated into Transylvania from the ... then transferred to “Wallachia,” the traditional core area of the Romanian state located east and south of Transylvania."


Other elements in the population of Greece are the Wallachians or Vlachs, the Turks, and the Jews, but they have never ... The Wallachians are a curious nomadic race


David Bruce Macdonald - 2002 Balkan Holocausts?: Serbian and Croatian Victim Centered ... page- 131

"These hinterland Romans evolved into highland herdsmen, who for centuries led a primitive nomadic life"


Lampe, John R, Jackson, Marvin R. Balkan Economic History, 1550 - 1950: From Imperial Borderlands to ... page - 612.
"Vlachs had first acquired their commercial connections in the course of moving their livestock seasonally back and forth between high and low ground. ... Alan J.B. Wace and M.S. Thompson, The Nomads of the Balkans (New York: Books for Libraries Press, 1971)"


Jane Perry Clark Carey, Andrew Galbraith Carey : The Web of Modern Greek Politics - page 73
"shepherds and nomadic herdsmen, wandering through the Balkans and the north of Greece. On their early migrations they gave the Vlach name to various districts, including the province of Wallachia in present-day Romania"


Chambers's Encyclopedia - Volume 14. page:- 339.
"The Vlachs are usually mentioned as following nomadic or semi-nomadic lives as shepherds etc. in wild mountain ... nth century was known as 'Great Wallachia' and seems to have contained a relatively dense and settled Vlach population."


Denys Hay: Europe in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries page: 220
"In the first half of the fourteenth century there also appeared there the two Romanian principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia. ... or whether the Hungarians are right in their thesis that these Vlachs were recently immigrated nomadic shepherds"


Frank Moore Colby, Talcott Williams, Herbert Treadwell Wade: The New International Encyclopaedia Voluma 20. Page: 219
"Owing to their nomadic and predatory dispositions these Vlachs, as they are called by the Greek writers, were a ... the autonomous Rumanian principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia, which grew rapidly towards south and east until the former"


Isaiah Bowman: The New World: Problems in Political Geography page - 282
"or Wallachians The Rumanians, or Wallachs (hence Wallachia), are of mixed race but of distinct speech, the Ruman, ... Home places of the nomadic Vlachs The Vlachs , Rumanian nomadism is seen in its purest form among the detached"


Norman Angell : Peace Theories And The Balkan War page: - 107.
"It had been founded by a conquering caste of non-Slavonic nomads from the trans-Danubian steppes, but these were completely ... This Bulgarian state included a large 'Vlach' element descended from those Latin-speaking provincials whom the Slavs had pushed ... had established itself in the mountains of Transylvania, and was just beginning to push down into the Wallachian and Moldavian plains"


Tibor Frank, Frank Hadler : Disputed territories and shared pasts: overlapping national histories in modern Europe, page: 251
"Reference to Romanians in their preunification (1859) history was linked to the regional designation of Wallachia (today Oltenia and Muntenia) to the south ... This designation relates to the nomadic existence of the Balkan Vlach population."


Paul Coles : The Ottoman Impact on Europe - page: 114
" nomadic pastoralism provided a new lease of life for the Rumanian-speaking Vlachs, migratory herdsmen whose native principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia had fallen under Ottoman dominion during the fifteenth century"


Wace, Alan J. B. and Maurice S. Thompson. .:
"The Nomads of the Balkans: An Account of Life and Custom Among the Vlachs of Northern Pindus."

[TheForeigner]

Even worse... negroid (E1B1) and middle-eastern (J) markers in high ratio....

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?106641-Noteworthy-Europeans-with-YDNA-Haplogroup-E1b1b Courtesy of a crafty (half)Jew!:heh:

[TheForeigner]

Why always with the same standard copy paste responses?

[Stears]

Why always with the same standard copy paste responses?

Because you are forgetful (or your memory is very selective:))))

[TheForeigner]

Noteworthy Europeans with YDNA Haplogroup E1b1b

The various strands of Hap. E1b1b as found in Europe constitute the third most common group of YDNA clades in Europe, after the R1 clades (R1a and R1b of course) and the original I clades. It seems to predate R in Europe, R being associated with the Indo-European invasions of c. ~3,000BC and E1b1b being associated with the spread of agriculture during the Neolithic from Anatolia at the latest (c. ~5,500BC). Like I and R, E is found all over Europe - at consistent, but low (normaly <10%) frequencies, with the exceptions of the Balkans where it in places like southern Greece, Macedonia and Albania it approaches 50%, and isolated areas like Galicia where it hits double digits. Anyhow, here's a list of 10 people with the illustrious E1b1b lineage: Napoleon, Hitler, Wright brothers, Einstein, Lyndon Johnson, Sir David Attenborough, Michelangelo, William Hartley, Loki and Longbowman(apricity greats).

[Stears]

Noteworthy Europeans with YDNA Haplogroup E1b1b

The various strands of Hap. E1b1b as found in Europe constitute the third most common group of YDNA clades in Europe, after the R1 clades (R1a and R1b of course) and the original I clades. It seems to predate R in Europe, R being associated with the Indo-European invasions of c. ~3,000BC and E1b1b being associated with the spread of agriculture during the Neolithic from Anatolia at the latest (c. ~5,500BC). Like I and R, E is found all over Europe - at consistent, but low (normaly <10%) frequencies, with the exceptions of the Balkans where it in places like southern Greece, Macedonia and Albania it approaches 50%, and isolated areas like Galicia where it hits double digits. Anyhow, here's a list of 10 people with the illustrious E1b1b lineage: Napoleon, Hitler, Wright brothers, Einstein, Lyndon Johnson, Sir David Attenborough, Michelangelo, William Hartley, Loki and Longbowman(apricity greats).

E1B1 alias EP2 = Negroid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2



(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2)This haplogroup is found mostly in Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa), mainly in the forms of its predominant sub-clades, E-V38 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V38_%28Y-DNA%29) and E-M215, with E-V38 being more common in Western Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Africa), Central Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Africa), southern Eastern Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Africa), and Southern Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Africa) and E-M215 being more common in Northern Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Africa) and northern East Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Africa) as well as being found in lower frequencies also in Southern Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Africa) and Western Eurasia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia).
The paraclade, referred to as E-P2*, and including cases which are neither in E-V38 or E-M215 are either rare or nonexistent. So far none have been found.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Trombetta2011-2)
Semino et al. (2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#CITEREFSeminoMagriBenuzziLin2004)) found E-P2 (xM35,xM2) in 10.4% of 48 Ethiopian Amhara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhara_people), 12.8% of 78 Ethiopian Oromo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oromo_people), 1.9% of 53 South African (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa) Bantu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_people), and 2.9% of 139 Senegalese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senegalese).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Semino2004-1)
Wood et al. (2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#CITEREFWoodStoverEhretDestro-Bisol2005)) have reported finding E-P2(xP1, xM35)in 11% (1/9) of a sample of Oromo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oromo_people) from Ethiopia, 11% (1/9) of a sample of Iraqw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqw_people) from Tanzania, 10% (2/20) of a mixed sample of speakers of various South Semitic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Semitic) languages from Ethiopia, 6% (1/18) of a sample of Amhara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhara_people) from Ethiopia, 3% (1/30) of a sample of Ewe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewe_people) from Ghana, 3% (1/32) of a sample of Fante (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fante_people) from Ghana, and 3% (1/34) of a sample of Wolof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolof_people) from Gambia/Senegal.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Wood2005-4)
Stefflova et al. (2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#CITEREFStefflovaDulikPaiWalker2009)) reported one individual out of a sample of 199 African American men from Philadelphia with E-P2 (xM35, xM2).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Stefflova2009-5)
Cruciani et al. (2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#CITEREFCrucianiSantolamazzaShenMacAulay2002)) found E-P2 (xM35, xM2) in: 18% of 22 Ethiopian Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Jews), 2% of 49 Mossi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossi_people) from Burkina Faso (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkina_Faso), 3% of 37 Rimaibe (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rimaibe&action=edit&redlink=1) also from Burkina Faso, and 6% of 17 Fulbe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulbe) from Cameroon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Cruciani2002-6)
Semino et al. (2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#CITEREFSeminoSantachiara-BenerecettiFalaschiCavalli-Sforza2002)) found E-P2 (xM35, xM2) in 18.2% of 88 Ethiopians.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Semino2002-7)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Underhill2000-8)
Moran et al. (2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#CITEREFMoranScottAdamsWarrington2004)) found E-P2 (xM35, xM2) in Ethiopian athletes and control groups and reported the following results; General control : 4%(4/95), Arsi control : 8%(7/85), 5-10K : 22%(5/23) and Track and Field: 11%(2/11).


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2)

[TheForeigner]

Haplogroup J is relatively evenly distributed across all Europe. The only population in which it is absent are the Saami from Lapland. The highest frequencies of mtDNA J in Europe are found in Cornwall (20%), Wales (15%), Iceland (14%), Denmark (13.5%), Sardinia (13%), Scotland (12.5%), England (11.5%), Switzerland (11.5%), the Netherlands (11%) and Romania (11%). In the Middle East, it is most common in Saudi Arabia (21%), followed by Kuwait (16%), Yemen (15%), Kurdistan (15%), south-west Iran (14%), Iraq (13%), and the United Arab Emirates (12%). Local peaks are also observed among some Caucasian ethnic groups, such as the North Ossetians (16%) and the Dargins (11%). http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J_mtDNA.shtml So stop claiming the high presense of these prehistorical haplogroups ''proves'' that some Europeans are not real Europeans.

[TheForeigner]

E1B1 alias EP2 = Negroid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2



(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2)This haplogroup is found mostly in Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa), mainly in the forms of its predominant sub-clades, E-V38 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V38_%28Y-DNA%29) and E-M215, with E-V38 being more common in Western Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Africa), Central Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Africa), southern Eastern Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Africa), and Southern Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Africa) and E-M215 being more common in Northern Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Africa) and northern East Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Africa) as well as being found in lower frequencies also in Southern Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Africa) and Western Eurasia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia).
The paraclade, referred to as E-P2*, and including cases which are neither in E-V38 or E-M215 are either rare or nonexistent. So far none have been found.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Trombetta2011-2)
Semino et al. (2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#CITEREFSeminoMagriBenuzziLin2004)) found E-P2 (xM35,xM2) in 10.4% of 48 Ethiopian Amhara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhara_people), 12.8% of 78 Ethiopian Oromo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oromo_people), 1.9% of 53 South African (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa) Bantu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_people), and 2.9% of 139 Senegalese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senegalese).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Semino2004-1)
Wood et al. (2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#CITEREFWoodStoverEhretDestro-Bisol2005)) have reported finding E-P2(xP1, xM35)in 11% (1/9) of a sample of Oromo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oromo_people) from Ethiopia, 11% (1/9) of a sample of Iraqw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqw_people) from Tanzania, 10% (2/20) of a mixed sample of speakers of various South Semitic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Semitic) languages from Ethiopia, 6% (1/18) of a sample of Amhara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhara_people) from Ethiopia, 3% (1/30) of a sample of Ewe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewe_people) from Ghana, 3% (1/32) of a sample of Fante (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fante_people) from Ghana, and 3% (1/34) of a sample of Wolof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolof_people) from Gambia/Senegal.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Wood2005-4)
Stefflova et al. (2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#CITEREFStefflovaDulikPaiWalker2009)) reported one individual out of a sample of 199 African American men from Philadelphia with E-P2 (xM35, xM2).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Stefflova2009-5)
Cruciani et al. (2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#CITEREFCrucianiSantolamazzaShenMacAulay2002)) found E-P2 (xM35, xM2) in: 18% of 22 Ethiopian Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Jews), 2% of 49 Mossi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossi_people) from Burkina Faso (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkina_Faso), 3% of 37 Rimaibe (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rimaibe&action=edit&redlink=1) also from Burkina Faso, and 6% of 17 Fulbe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulbe) from Cameroon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Cruciani2002-6)
Semino et al. (2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#CITEREFSeminoSantachiara-BenerecettiFalaschiCavalli-Sforza2002)) found E-P2 (xM35, xM2) in 18.2% of 88 Ethiopians.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Semino2002-7)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#cite_note-Underhill2000-8)
Moran et al. (2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2#CITEREFMoranScottAdamsWarrington2004)) found E-P2 (xM35, xM2) in Ethiopian athletes and control groups and reported the following results; General control : 4%(4/95), Arsi control : 8%(7/85), 5-10K : 22%(5/23) and Track and Field: 11%(2/11).


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2)

Only mentions it's presense in some Arab groups, besides African blacks. Maybe it is in them because of negroid admixture. No big surprise there.

[Stears]

Only mentions it's presense in some Arab groups, besides African blacks. Maybe it is in them because of negroid admixture. No big surprise there.

Some african blacks? HAhaha, the highest ratios of E1B1 are in african blacks.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Turanid is a fake term from 19th century. There are no turanic languages turanic race and people. According this weird idea all languages are automatically turanic in the Eurasian supercontinent which are not part of semitic or IE language groups. Later the turanid race was invented (because turanid languages also need an own race)

Sometimey, you do have intelligent things to say, Stears. :D

[Stears]

Haplogroup J is relatively evenly distributed across all Europe. The only population in which it is absent are the Saami from Lapland. The highest frequencies of mtDNA J in Europe are found in Cornwall (20%), Wales (15%), Iceland (14%), Denmark (13.5%), Sardinia (13%), Scotland (12.5%), England (11.5%), Switzerland (11.5%), the Netherlands (11%) and Romania (11%). In the Middle East, it is most common in Saudi Arabia (21%), followed by Kuwait (16%), Yemen (15%), Kurdistan (15%), south-west Iran (14%), Iraq (13%), and the United Arab Emirates (12%). Local peaks are also observed among some Caucasian ethnic groups, such as the North Ossetians (16%) and the Dargins (11%). http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J_mtDNA.shtml So stop claiming the high presense of these prehistorical haplogroups ''proves'' that some Europeans are not real Europeans.

Itself the spread in southern European countries does not make J haplogroup as an European haplogroup marker. It caused the less European and swarthy look of that nations which have high ratio of J. The E1B1 also signifficantly contributed to the less european look and swarthier pigmentation in that nations.

[TheForeigner]

Itself the spread in southern European countries does not make J haplogroup as an European haplogroup marker. It caused the less European and swarthy look of that nations which have high ratio of J. The E1B1 also signifficantly contributed to the less european look and swarthier pigmentation in that nations.

How do you know this, if this happened in prehistoric times and it is not known for sure where and how did European depigmentation started? Also, are you blind? Can't you see it has a higher presense in even indigenous Britons, Danes, Icelanders, Dutch and Swiss than in Romanians? Are Hungarians whiter and more European that those too?:eek:

[TheForeigner]

Some african blacks? HAhaha, the highest ratios of E1B1 are in african blacks.

I said in some Arab groups maybe, besides African blacks. Can't you read? You haven't shown that it's present in Romanians or Balkanites at a significant rate.

[Stears]

How do you know this, if this happened in prehistoric times and it is not known for sure where and how did European depigmentation started? Also, are you blind? Can't you see it has a higher presense in even indigenous Britons, Danes, Icelanders, Dutch and Swiss than in Romanians? Are Hungarians whiter and more European that those too?:eek:

It is very clear, nations with high ratio of E1B1 and J markers are darker. It is also clear that the E1b1 is african (negroid) immigrants in pre-historic europe) and J haplogroups meant "arabic-look" immigrants in souther part of Europe.

[TheForeigner]

It is very clear, nations with high ratio of E1B1 and J markers are darker. It is also clear that the E1b1 is african (negroid) immigrants in pre-historic europe) and J haplogroups meant "arabic-look" immigrants in souther part of Europe.

It's clear that you are a stupid and illiterate troll who can't read.

[Stears]

It's clear that you are a stupid and illiterate troll who can't read.

You got a chess mat, dear swarthy late nomad descendant semi-asian orthodox.

[TheForeigner]

You got a chess mat, dear swarthy late nomad descendant semi-asian orthodox.

I showed you twice at least that Britons and Scandinavians also have those haplogroups and more than Romanians, you jackass!

[Stears]

I showed you twice at least that Britons and Scandinavians also have those haplogroups and more than Romanians, you jackass!

Total Bullshit lie. http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[Gustave H]

I've met only a handful of Romanians in real life and the ones I met were South Slavic looking.

[Longbowman]

It is very clear, nations with high ratio of E1B1 and J markers are darker. It is also clear that the E1b1 is african (negroid) immigrants in pre-historic europe) and J haplogroups meant "arabic-look" immigrants in souther part of Europe.

Careful Stears, people who haven't taken a DNA test shouldn't mock results.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Careful Stears, people who haven't taken a DNA test shouldn't mock results.

I hope he ends up with N3, AA or something eccentric. I'd like to film his reaction :D

[PlanA]

youre overestimating what turks actually look like

http://www.aawsat.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/turkey-syria-bombing-e1368453044163.jpg


A Turk would never hold a half-way teared and burned Turkish flag.

[PlanA]

These are not Turks, these are Kurds. Why should Turks tear apart their flag....

+1

A Turk would never tear apart a Turkish flag, that's against our nature.

[Guapo]

Romanians look western euro

[TheForeigner]

Romanians look western euro

Lol.

[Guapo]

Lol.

ok they look antarctic

[special]

ok they look antarctic

they look "Euro" but not much western

[Ryujin]

youre overestimating what turks actually look like

http://www.aawsat.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/turkey-syria-bombing-e1368453044163.jpg

They're ethnic alawite Arabs from Hatay and protesting Syrian refugees. Why are you trying so hard to present Turks as darker? no Turk would say that they look like average Turk. Turks are not Scandinavian, but most of Turks are pale. Neither original Turks, nor Ancient Anatolians were dark.

Sorry but just because a bunch of people like you are butthurt and have sort of an grudge towards Turkish people you can not manipulate the general look in Turkey.

Ah, and, if you ask me, I would say they look gypsy, which is a synonym for Romanian in our country.

[TheForeigner]

They're ethnic alawite Arabs from Hatay and protesting Syrian refugees. Why are you trying so hard to present Turks as darker? no Turk would say that they look like average Turk. Turks are not Scandinavian, but most of Turks are pale. Neither original Turks, nor Ancient Anatolians were dark.

Sorry but just because a bunch of people like you are butthurt and have sort of an grudge towards Turkish people you can not manipulate the general look in Turkey.

Ah, and, if you ask me, I would say they look gypsy, which is a synonym for Romanian in our country.

Your whole post is the ranting of a delusional and complexed Turk. Turks are known for being true wogs and for being homosexual rapist inclined, rightly or wrongly.:) You are not the ones who can call anyone gypsies, since you are typically and not rarely dark skinned. Of course Ancient Anatolians were dark skinned, since all Near and Middle Eastern peoples are, with few individual and atypical exceptions. Central Asians not dark?lol Your stupidity is incredible.

[Ryujin]

Your whole post is the ranting of a delusional and complexed Turk. Turks are known for being true wogs and for being homosexual rapist inclined, rightly or wrongly.:) You are not the ones who can call anyone gypsies, since you are typically and not rarely dark skinned. Of course Ancient Anatolians were dark skinned, since all Near and Middle Eastern peoples are, with few individual and atypical exceptions. Central Asians not dark?lol Your stupidity is incredible.

Hahaha, you're so full of bullshit. You'll insist on your ignorance so there's no need to waste my time on here.

[TheForeigner]

Hahaha, you're so full of bullshit. You'll insist on your ignorance so there's no need to waste my time on here.

Ok brownie, typical Romanians look like Gypsies and typical Turks look like Central Europeans.:) I bet Leliana and other Germans here would agree with the last part.:rolleyes:

[Ryujin]

Ok brownie, typical Romanians look like Gypsies and typical Turks look like Central Europeans.:) I bet Leliana and other Germans here would agree with the last part.:rolleyes:

Brownie? so you admit you're just talking out of your ass without any knowledge. Have you ever seen me?

[TheForeigner]

Brownie? so you admit you're just talking out of your ass without any knowledge. Have you ever seen me?

I don't even care how you look. Fact is typical unadmixed Romanians and Balkaners are lighter than most Turks and other Near Eastern people. You are delusional, if you even consider anything else.

[Nurzat]

Romanians score like this on Oracle in GEDmatch:

75% German + 25% Turkish

and on the PCA plots they're closest to Central Euros, then Slavs and very far from Turks for example

that should answer your question - there is no doubt Romanians are closer to any Slavic people than to Turks, overall

[Rose]

slavs i think

[Imamudin]

More Slavic than Turkish

[Rose]

More Slavic than Turkish

why?

[Subcarpați]

Turkish occupation of parts of Romania was long lasting and the geographic proximity to Turkey is undenyable.
There is a significant overlap in my eyes

Most parts of Romania wasnt occupied by ottomans... Moldova,Transylvania and Wallachia paid taxes to ottomans to have authonomy.
Banat and Dobrogea were eyalets, rest of Romania dont. ;)

http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/86/64886-004-2353B724.gif

[Stears]

Most parts of Romania wasnt occupied by ottomans... Moldova,Transylvania and Wallachia paid taxes to ottomans to have authonomy.
Banat and Dobrogea were eyalets, rest of Romania dont. ;)

http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/86/64886-004-2353B724.gif


Wrong.
Romania became part of Ottoman Empire. You can find it in every encyclopedia. Transylvania became part of romani-a in 1920.

[Stears]

Romanians score like this on Oracle in GEDmatch:

75% German + 25% Turkish

and on the PCA plots they're closest to Central Euros, then Slavs and very far from Turks for example

that should answer your question - there is no doubt Romanians are closer to any Slavic people than to Turks, overall

http://spittoon.23andme.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/novembreblogpostfig.jpg

[Subcarpați]

Wrong.
Romania became part of Ottoman Empire. You can find it in every encyclopedia. Transylvania became part of romani-a in 1920.

Mister perfection, there's are no old mosques in Wallachia,Transylvania and Moldova, in Banat there were,in Dobrogea there's are and in Hungary too.
And Romania exist since 1859, in 1866 Carol i became the king of Romania (so you can see how much freedom we had) , and Romania became indepedent in 1877.

[CommonSense]

Neither. They look closest to Bulgarians and Serbs.

[Westbrook]

what is slavic looking? Slavic looking like poles? like russians? or croats? serbs? etc define what "slavic looking" means

I think it has something to do with Adidas tracksuits

[Ice]

Slavic i guess.

[safinator]

Neither.

[Sandman]

They look Balkan with some slavic admixture.

[Nurzat]

I think there's a comparable percentage of Romanians looking East Slavic, looking Balkanic and looking generic Mediterranean (including non-Taurid Turkish)

[Krivich]

The Romanians are similar to the southern Germans, the Swiss, the Austrians and the southern Slavs.

[Agyullámtörő]

There are lot of turanid turkish looking people in Romania, for example:
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traian_B%C4%83sescu#/media/File:Traian_B%C4%83sescu,_at_the_International_Con ference_in_Support_of_the_new_Libya_(cropped).jpg
or:
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Ponta#/media/File:Victor_Ponta_debate_November_2014.jpg
You can find this type in Hungary, Ukraine and Russia too, where the turkic migrants (cumans, pechenegs, tatars, ottomans) have settled in the past.
Transylvanian romanians are close to other Central Europeans (czechs, hungarians, slovaks, austrians): pale skin and light hair & eyes
Moldovan romanians are very slavic looking just like Ukrainians, Russians
Wallachians are similar to the bulgarians, serbs: tanned or brown skin with dark hair and eyes
http://i.imgur.com/iTzHGw8.jpg

[EuropeanVlachSon]

I dont know how Băsescu looks turkish and turanid.

And Ponta have albanian and italian roots, that's why he looks so turkish.

[Sora]

They look Slavic-mixed Balkan

[magyar_lány]

Neither.

[jegotx]

We can consider that Romanians looks different in the 3 Romanian's zones. In Moldova they look more like slavik, in south (Wallachia or Muntenia + Oltenia) they look more like turkish, and in Transilvania they look more like Hungarians, Germans etc. This is despite the fact we are latin people.

[Tommie]

Neither.

[Adam Janossy]

We can consider that Romanians looks different in the 3 Romanian's zones. In Moldova they look more like slavik, in south (Wallachia or Muntenia + Oltenia) they look more like turkish, and in Transilvania they look more like Hungarians, Germans etc. This is despite the fact we are latin people.

Romanians in Transylvania are very dark and don't look Central European at all, except in countryside near Cluj where they do and are light. In Parthium and southern Transylvania they were dark.

[Adam Janossy]

Transylvania in general is swarthy region, Szekely Hungarians who are lighter than Romanians and darker than Hungarians from Hungary have similar pigmentation like Bosnians and southern Croats.
Romanians in Transylvania are similar to non-southern Italians in pigmentation. This was my second visit to Transylvania, and that is what I have seen.

We visited everything, from non name villages to all important cities in the region.

[Carpatz]

We can consider that Romanians looks different in the 3 Romanian's zones. In Moldova they look more like slavik, in south (Wallachia or Muntenia + Oltenia) they look more like turkish, and in Transilvania they look more like Hungarians, Germans etc. This is despite the fact we are latin people.

'avin giggle, aren't you, eskimo/nurzat

[alex23]

Transylvania in general is swarthy region, Szekely Hungarians who are lighter than Romanians and darker than Hungarians from Hungary have similar pigmentation like Bosnians and southern Croats.
Romanians in Transylvania are similar to non-southern Italians in pigmentation. This was my second visit to Transylvania, and that is what I have seen.

We visited everything, from non name villages to all important cities in the region.

delirious! are you stears?

Romanians from southern Transylvania are lighter that Szekelys and darker than Romanians from west, central and northern Transylvania.

[Adam Janossy]

delirious! are you stears?

Romanians from southern Transylvania are lighter that Szekelys and darker than Romanians from west, central and northern Transylvania.

Yes I am Stears.