Classify a Volga Tatar

[Speedy Freedy]

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[Speedy Freedy]

Bump.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Latino or Arab I think.

[Pennywise]

he doesn't look much as tatar except his slightly slanted eyes.

[Hochmeister]

he doesn't look much as tatar except his slightly slanted eyes.

Bullshit. He looks very Tatar.

[Gaston]

So brown and mongoloid. I guess it's part of Tatar's spectrum of phenotypes.

[Anima Libera]

turanid

[poiuytrewq0987]

The real Tatars all live in Kalmykia anyway.

[poiuytrewq0987]

he doesn't look much as tatar except his slightly slanted eyes.

I agree. He's like a male version of Irina Shayk.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GDz7LKK-hxY/UYR-CdSjP1I/AAAAAAAAFNY/9xgKWWwFx84/s1600/Irina-shayk.jpg

[Antimage]

I agree. He's like a male version of Irina Shayk.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GDz7LKK-hxY/UYR-CdSjP1I/AAAAAAAAFNY/9xgKWWwFx84/s1600/Irina-shayk.jpg

not really. the boy has significant mongoloid admixture(and wtf those eyebrows), irina shayk barely has any

[Linebacker]

He looks more South american/mestizo than Tatar.

This is how Tatars look like
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kjF3-Wp7W78/0.jpg
http://my.telegraph.co.uk/crimeantatars/files/2012/05/Crimean_Tatars_Fear_For_Their_Future.jpg

[Not a Cop]

He looks more South american/mestizo than Tatar.

This is how Tatars look like
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kjF3-Wp7W78/0.jpg
http://my.telegraph.co.uk/crimeantatars/files/2012/05/Crimean_Tatars_Fear_For_Their_Future.jpg

You make a huge mistake here, Sven your last picture says Crimean_Tatars_Fear_For_Their_Future.jpg. In Russia word Tatar reffers to Kazan Tatars, if you mean any other group of Tatars people add the geographical term, like Crimean Tarars or Siberian Tatars, it's like Germanic peoples use Deutsche for self-identification of Slavs use Slovac\Slovenian or Russian\Rusin, the words are very similar but people are different, though Tatar groups are way more different than any of mentioned above.

This guy looks like a Volga Tarar.

[Linebacker]

You make a huge mistake here, Sven your last picture says Crimean_Tatars_Fear_For_Their_Future.jpg. In Russia word Tatar reffers to Kazan Tatars, if you mean any other group of Tatars people add the geographical term, like Crimean Tarars or Siberian Tatars, it's like Germanic peoples use Deutsche for self-identification of Slavs use Slovac\Slovenian or Russian\Rusin, the words are very similar but people are different, though Tatar groups are way more different than any of mentioned above.

This guy looks like a Volga Tarar.

Im not an expert on Tatars really,Thats just how I imagine them looking,Turan-like.

[Dombra]

Volga Tatars have Mongoloid admixture but they are not that brown

[Hochmeister]

It's so laughable, when ignorant people post bullshit being void of knowledge on the subject they are talking about. It just shows us the level of "experts" on all these anthro fora :laugh:

[Speedy Freedy]

I agree. He's like a male version of Irina Shayk.

You shouldn't give Irina Shayk as example because she is only half Volga Tatar, as her mother is ethnic Russian.

[Shepherd]

looks sorta kazakh

[Speedy Freedy]

looks sorta kazakh

You can't be serious with that comment.

[Hochmeister]

looks sorta kazakh

Yes, a number of Central Asians has this vibe.

[Shepherd]

You can't be serious with that comment.

what?

[Speedy Freedy]

Volga Tatars have Mongoloid admixture but they are not that brown

You are clearly underestimating diversity of Volga Tatars.

Volga Tatars have been found to represent four anthropological types:

Dark-pigmented Caucasoid, like for example Nail Yakupov
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2a9cob4.jpg
Sub-Lapponoid, like for example Dinara Gimatova
http://oi62.tinypic.com/k68vn.jpg
Mongoloid, like for example Marat Kabayev
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2exu6fl.jpg
Light pigmented Caucasoid, like for example Rinat Akhmetov
http://oi57.tinypic.com/so22rc.jpg

Hope you can see how diverse the Volga Tatars are.

[Siberyak]

Volga Tatars have Mongoloid admixture but they are not that brown

That just depends on the family bloodline.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTSNwOfXjVaGy_1A1XXzdDnciUHDDKJ BhLoJIa3QMRqCvp5eUM

[Leto]

Yes, Tatars are really diverse, but the guy looks more Bashkir to me.

[Speedy Freedy]

Yes, Tatars are really diverse, but the guy looks more Bashkir to me.

Well, Volga Tatars and Bashkirs often look similar.

[Leto]

I've already posted the woman before, but whatever. She is a Volga Tatar journalist, quite patriotic and Turkic-centred, I should say. But there is nothing Turkic about her face, she could pass as ethnic Russian. Moreover, she looks whiter than some self-reported "ethnic Russians" here.

http://cs302406.vk.me/v302406960/18c5/383-6xsLZ6w.jpg
http://cs5580.vk.me/u169260960/-6/w_8dd9eb4f.jpg
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[Speedy Freedy]

I've already posted the woman before, but whatever. She is a Volga Tatar journalist, quite patriotic and Turkic-centred, I should say. But there is nothing Turkic about her face, she could pass as ethnic Russian. Moreover, she looks whiter than some self-reported "ethnic Russians" here.

She is light-pigmented Caucasoid, but of course there are also Volga Tatar journalists who look completely Mongoloid.

[Speedy Freedy]

Another example of Mongoloid Volga Tatars is for example Aliya Garayeva:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/6hnocj.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2i1a9f.jpg
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[Siberyak]

She is light-pigmented Caucasoid, but of course there are also Volga Tatar journalists who look completely Mongoloid.

I seriously doubt there are too many fully mongol looking volga tatars like Koreans

[Speedy Freedy]

I seriously doubt there are too many fully mongol looking volga tatars like Koreans

It depends on what one considers fully Mongoloid.
However, it's a fact that some Volga Tatars are Mongoloid-looking, if you live in Russia you must know this fact from your own experience.

[Hochmeister]

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2i1a9f.jpg

She isn't 100% Mongoloid. Probably 70%.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/34sgjs9.jpg

Both they look similar. The guy actually looks more Uzbek, than Kazakh.

[Siberyak]

It depends on what one considers fully Mongoloid.
However, it's a fact that some Volga Tatars are Mongoloid-looking, if you live in Russia you must know this fact from your own experience.

I have never visited Kazan or Tatarstan but I have a hard time believing that common phenotype on the streets of kazan would be something like a full blooded mongol like a korean

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxPxEVxxrfqmLtoy_YQV78O-UVu_uf75uGDPEQxtGMOy5RQAYr1g

[Speedy Freedy]

She isn't 100% Mongoloid. Probably 70%.

Appearance-wise I whould still say she is a good example of those Volga Tatars, who are Mongoloid looking.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Tatars can look like everything, from Middle Eastern to Asian and Eastern Euro. Interesting people :)

[Speedy Freedy]

I have never visited Kazan or Tatarstan but I have a hard time believing that common phenotype on the streets of kazan would be something like a full blooded mongol like a korean

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxPxEVxxrfqmLtoy_YQV78O-UVu_uf75uGDPEQxtGMOy5RQAYr1g

Kazan isn't a good representation, because there approximaltely 50% of population are ethnic Russians.
Overall, however, I never said Volga Tatars look like Koreans. My point was to explain how diverse are Volga Tatars, because they can look from Mongoloid to Caucasoid, or anything in between.

[Hochmeister]

I have never visited Kazan or Tatarstan but I have a hard time believing that common phenotype on the streets of kazan would be something like a full blooded mongol like a korean

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxPxEVxxrfqmLtoy_YQV78O-UVu_uf75uGDPEQxtGMOy5RQAYr1g

He doesn't look uber Mongoloid though, just a light version.
But very Mong people can be found in Tatarstan. I'm not sure about percentage, probably ~40%.

[Speedy Freedy]

He doesn't look uber Mongoloid though, just a light version.
But very Mong people can be found in Tatarstan. I'm not sure about percentage, probably ~40%.

There has been research made about anthropological types of Volga Tatars. 19-20% of Kazan Tatars, 7% of Kryashen Tatars and 14-15% of Mishar Tatars have been classified as Mongoloid-looking.

[Hochmeister]

There has been research made about anthropological types of Volga Tatars. 19-20% of Kazan Tatars, 7% of Kryashen Tatars and 14-15% of Mishar Tatars have been classified as Mongoloid-looking.

Interesting, do they differentiate Mongoloids from Turanids?

[KawaiiKawaii]

If I remember a genetic map I saw, volga Tatars are the closest people genetically to the Malta boy, the Siberian paleolithic hunter-gatherer.

[Speedy Freedy]

Actually, all 3 major groups of Volga Tatars were classified as follows:

Kazan Tatars
Dark-pigmented Caucasoid 38,2%
Sub-Lapponoid 22,9%
Mongoloid 19,4%
Light-pigmented Caucasoid 19,4%

Mishar Tatars
Dark-pigmented Caucasoid 33,5%
Light-pigmented Caucasoid 27,5%
Sub-Lapponoid 24,5%
Mongoloid 14,5%

Kryashen Tatars
Light-pigmented Caucasoid 43,8%
Sub-Lapponoid 33,7%
Dark-pigmented Caucasoid 14,6%
Mongoloid 7,9%

[Hochmeister]

If I remember a genetic map I saw, volga Tatars are the closest people genetically to the Malta boy, the Siberian paleolithic hunter-gatherer.

Bashkir nationalists claim that they are decendants of migrants from pre-historic West Europe, that's why a good number of them has R1B.

[Speedy Freedy]

Bashkir nationalists claim that they are decendants of migrants from pre-historic West Europe, that's why a good number of them has R1B.

Bashkirs are claiming their origin from West Europe? LOL

[KawaiiKawaii]

Bashkir nationalists claim that they are decendants of migrants from pre-historic West Europe, that's why a good number of them has R1B.

R1b itself comes from Anatolia/the Middle east. I don't know which subclade Bashkirs have, but I doubt it's the western one.

[Hochmeister]

Bashkirs are claiming their origin from West Europe? LOL

Their activists. I watched their TV programs. Probably in this one, if memmory doesn't fail me:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxxaibEmvbo

[Hochmeister]

Mishar Tatars
Dark-pigmented Caucasoid 33,5%
Light-pigmented Caucasoid 27,5%
Sub-Lapponoid 24,5%
Mongoloid 14,5%


Do they have to do with Yurmi?

[Speedy Freedy]

Do they have to do with Yurmi?

No, Yurmi are Bashkirs, not Mishar Tatars.

[Speedy Freedy]

bump