Why Sardinian flag has 4 Africans?

[Pausanias]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Flag_of_the_Italian_region_Sardinia.svg/2000px-Flag_of_the_Italian_region_Sardinia.svg.png

:noidea:

[FeederOfRavens]

:picard2: Why ask the question in such a vulgar manner?

[Ulla]

Not only Sardinia. Are you Spanish? You should know what is a cabeza de moro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maure

[wvwvw]

The meaning of the flag of Sardinia have its deep roots in an ancient past soaked in legend and confirmed by the historical facts: the origin of the standard of the four Moors, symbol of Sardinia, is shrouded in mystery still today.

Originally, the meaning of the flag of Sardinia was related to the war events of the Kingdom of Aragon, that ruled the Sardinia from 1324 AD to 1479 AD. The historical tradition has it that the four heads represent four victories achieved by the Kingdom of Aragon against the invading Moors: Zaragoza, Valencia, Murcia and the Balearics.

Instead the legend gives another meaning to the flag of Sardinia: the standard is the celebration of the victory that king Pietro I of Aragon achieved at Alcoraz in 1096 AD, city defended by the Moors; the army of the Kingdom of Aragon won the victory only through the agency of Saint George who, appeared in the battlefield as a white knight with a red cross on his chest, picked the heads of four great and brave Moors princes.

Then, when it became possession of the dukes of the House of Savoy in 1718 AD, the Sardinia held the flag of the four Moors as its Symbol.

Even though its origin is from Aragon, this flag has a very more ancient meaning for the Sardinian people, previous to the domination by the Kingdom of Aragon: indeed the standard represents the four Giudicati of Sardinia, four little and independent states that governed the Sardinia between IX and XV century and strenuously defended their island just against the continuous invasions of the Moors.

The meaning of the flag of Sardinia is deep, symbolical, viscerally related to the historical events of the island. And a journey in Sardinia is an itinerary exploring this fascinating and ancient past.

Image source: www.flickr.com/photos/cristianocani

[Yuffayur]

the 4 moors they're supposed to be Berbers and not Blacks but Light brown skinned, Negrocentrist use this flag for their agenda.

[wvwvw]

Not only Sardinia. Are you Spanish? You should know the cabeza de moro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maure


On the Internet you can be anything you like

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Flag of Corsica has one like that too.

[Graham]

Not only Sardinia. Are you Spanish? You should know what is a cabeza de moro.


Probably American, going by thread title.

[oh-nahhh]

4 NWA.

[Lábaru]

http://www.blogodisea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/chuecos-apellido-escudo-armas.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Escudo_de_Arag%C3%B3n%2C_Vagad_y_Hurus%2C_1499.jpg/419px-Escudo_de_Arag%C3%B3n%2C_Vagad_y_Hurus%2C_1499.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Historic_Coat_of_Arms_of_Aragon_Angel_Supporter_Ve rsion.svg/422px-Historic_Coat_of_Arms_of_Aragon_Angel_Supporter_Ve rsion.svg.png
http://www.paralelo36andalucia.com/wp-content/2009/11/escudo-canillas.jpg

[Yuffayur]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Escudo_d%27Arag%C3%B3n.svg

[JoeyGee8688]

Pure naggers don't have high bridged noses like the heads on the flag.

[Yuffayur]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Historic_Coat_of_Arms_of_Aragon_Angel_Supporter_Ve rsion.svg/422px-Historic_Coat_of_Arms_of_Aragon_Angel_Supporter_Ve rsion.svg.png

Looking at the beard they're not negroid.
lol Spaniards have too much hate on the moors.

[Smeagol]

By the way, most Moors weren't niggers.

Ibn Hazm on the Cordoban Caliphs:

All the Caliphs of the Banu Marwan (God have mercy on their souls!), and especially the sons of al-Nasir, were without variation or exception disposed by nature to prefer blondes. I have myself seen them, and known others who had seen their forebears, from the days of al-Nasir's reign down to the present day; every one of them has been fair-haired, taking after their mothers, so that this has become a hereditary trait with them; all but Sulaiman al-Zafir (God have mercy on him!), whom I remember to have had black ringlets and a black beard. As for al-Nasir and al-Hakam al-Mustansir (may God be pleased with them!), I have been informed by my late father, the vizier, as well as by others, that both of them were blond and blue-eyed. The same is true of Hisham al-Mu'aiyad, Muhammad al-Mahdi, and `Abd al-Rahman al-Murtada (may God be merciful to them all!); I saw them myself many times, and had the honour of being received by them, and I remarked that they all had fair hair and blue eyes.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I am very surprised that a Spaniard would not know the answer to this question.

Cruz de Alcoraz
Escudo de Aragón

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Cruz_de_Alcoraz,_1536.jpg

[Lábaru]

Looking at the beard they're not negroid.
lol Spaniards have too much hate on the moors.

The Moors used to blacks as elite warriors against Spaniard.


Santiago Matamoros(MoorSlayer-Killer of Moors)
http://www.ocesaronada.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/batclavijo1.jpg
Northern Spanish warriors ready to win Las Navas de Tolosa battle against Moors
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fTlSRJpKjdk/TSCMxABEndI/AAAAAAAAFmM/xihst7IxWIc/s1600/Navas+de+Tolosa+3.jpg
The black Moors warriors were chained to the floor, so they could not run away from the battle
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ze2CCJ7Tzjs/T6exPnoRVJI/AAAAAAAAAZ0/6wS_A6i_X70/s1600/Las+navas+de+tolosa+enrique+de+diego.jpg
http://www.ecestaticos.com/imagestatic/clipping/ce7/ca5/1c1/ce7ca51c113b8c19914fbe5e6fe10465.jpg?mtime=1393599 182

[Belial]

Please do not call them niggers. This word truly offends me.

[askra]

The meaning is not a mystery, you could easily google it.

They represent 4 cut heads of barbary pirates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates), sometimes they are depicted blindfolded, as a sign of defeat, and the cross in the middle is the Saint George's Cross, banner of the crusaders.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Sardinia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_George%27s_Cross

[Yuffayur]

The Moors used to blacks as elite warriors against Spaniard.

First line warrior you mean.
Also spaniards and Iberians artist everytime they describe the moors as blacks, lol the good people are the white iberians and the bad are the black moors, the funniest thing is that almost all this orientalist have never seen a moor in their lifes.
Here how British have drown the Moroccan ambassadors (between 15 and 16 centuries).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/MoorishAmbassador_to_Elizabeth_I.jpg?uselang=fr
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Mohammed_bin_Hadou_Moroccan_ambassador_to_Great_Br itain_1682.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Ambassador_Ben_Hadou_1682.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Ambassador_Admiral_Abelkader_Perez_1723_1737.jpg?u selang=fr

a blond Morisco :rolleyes: Abdelkader Perez

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Moroccan_Ambassador_Abghali_1725.jpg?uselang=fr

The first and the last one have typical Berber surnames "Anoun and Abghali" the second and third have arabized surnames and the 4th have a morisco surname.

[Mens-Sarda]

before the Aragonese conquest (1420) each of the four Sardinian kingdoms (Judicados) had its own flag

Arborea

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Albero_Eradicato_del_Giudicato_di_Arborea.svg/600px-Albero_Eradicato_del_Giudicato_di_Arborea.svg.png

Turris or Torres or Logudoro (Logu de Torres - Country of Torres)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Torre_Merlata_del_Giudicato_di_Torres.svg/600px-Torre_Merlata_del_Giudicato_di_Torres.svg.png

Gallura

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Gallo_del_Giudicato_di_Gallura.svg/600px-Gallo_del_Giudicato_di_Gallura.svg.png

Caralis or Calari

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Cavallo_del_Giudicato_di_Cagliari.svg/600px-Cavallo_del_Giudicato_di_Cagliari.svg.png


the flag of Caralis it's interesting, reminds the horse on the Carthaginian coins, maybe it's a sign of the strong Carthaginian presence in south Sardinia? Phoenician language was still spoken in south Sardinia at least until IIIrd century A.D.

http://coins.www.collectors-society.com/usercontent/images/article_images/Sicily_Punic_Issues2.jpg

[Sidi Atlas]

The Moors used to blacks as elite warriors against Spaniard.

http://www.ecestaticos.com/imagestatic/clipping/ce7/ca5/1c1/ce7ca51c113b8c19914fbe5e6fe10465.jpg?mtime=1393599 182

Actually they were not elite soldiers, but foot soldiers at most. In the Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa in the early 13th century the Almohads chained entire rows of black slaves/fighters at the first lines of the front so that they wouldn't run away and to impress the adversary. Episodes like this must have contributed to the black Moor myth.

[Yuffayur]

before the Aragonese conquest (1420) each of the four Sardinian kingdoms (Judicados) had its own flag

Arborea

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Albero_Eradicato_del_Giudicato_di_Arborea.svg/600px-Albero_Eradicato_del_Giudicato_di_Arborea.svg.png

Turris or Torres or Logudoro (Logu de Torres - Country of Torres)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Torre_Merlata_del_Giudicato_di_Torres.svg/600px-Torre_Merlata_del_Giudicato_di_Torres.svg.png

Gallura

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Gallo_del_Giudicato_di_Gallura.svg/600px-Gallo_del_Giudicato_di_Gallura.svg.png

Caralis or Calari

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Cavallo_del_Giudicato_di_Cagliari.svg/600px-Cavallo_del_Giudicato_di_Cagliari.svg.png


the flag of Caralis it's interesting, reminds the horse on the Carthaginian coins, maybe it's a sign of the strong Carthaginian presence in south Sardinia? Phoenician language was still spoken in south Sardinia at least until IIIrd century A.D.

http://coins.www.collectors-society.com/usercontent/images/article_images/Sicily_Punic_Issues2.jpg

The horse is the most noble animal in Berber culture (like the dog in europe, we say that the horse is the most close friend of the man).

[Ouistreham]

The totemic meaning of nigger heads on blazons and flags shall not be misunderstood.
Human figures are very seldom shown in heraldry, and almost never as a self-representation.
A very rare exception is king Erik the Saint on Stockholm's coat of arms :
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Stockholm_vapen_bra.svg/489px-Stockholm_vapen_bra.svg.png

Most often, a human shape is shown as a trophy, like a vanquished and tamed wild beast (eagle, lion, leopard etc.) whose force has been taken hold of.

An example is Swedish Lappland's coat of arms: not a self-representation of Saamis, but a defeated savage:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Lappland_vapen.svg/251px-Lappland_vapen.svg.png

[Linebacker]

Plot twist - Compare the face profiles of them and the Ancient Greeks in your signature.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Flag_of_the_Italian_region_Sardinia.svg/2000px-Flag_of_the_Italian_region_Sardinia.svg.png
http://api.ning.com/files/gbKWvQBjGO1RqwmOMRznDTD9C-gCstHbno0Z8xpaJa40qnXly3mwG5WfL9tin9Iz3S8STsulVeU2 rQYV-w0d8bkmbFt17cR6/24980_381567913415_368617353415_3751826_7145389_n. jpg

[Dani Cutie]

I have cabezas de moro in the heraldy of my antecesors :)

http://www.plusesmas.com/escudos_postales/escudos/210/38074_210_escudo_podadera.jpg

[Yuffayur]

Plot twist - Compare the face profiles of them and the Ancient Greeks in your signature.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Flag_of_the_Italian_region_Sardinia.svg/2000px-Flag_of_the_Italian_region_Sardinia.svg.png
http://api.ning.com/files/gbKWvQBjGO1RqwmOMRznDTD9C-gCstHbno0Z8xpaJa40qnXly3mwG5WfL9tin9Iz3S8STsulVeU2 rQYV-w0d8bkmbFt17cR6/24980_381567913415_368617353415_3751826_7145389_n. jpg

The second one starting from the left is the more close to the four up.

[Mens-Sarda]

the Sardinian flag is also a reminder of over 1100 years of resistance against Muslim attacks, every time they tried to conquer or to attack our island they always turned back with broken bones, not even the Romans were able to conquer the whole island, there was a vast area of inner Sardinia which was out of Roman control and was surrounded by a fortified Limes and military settlements held by a full Roman legion during the whole imperial period

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Sardegna_Barbaria.png

[Empecinado]

The flag of Sardinia is the Cross of Alcoraz, a St. George cross with 4 beheaded Moors, which was also the flag of the Kingdom of Aragon. Why there are they depicted as black? Because eventhough only a minority of Moors were actually black, in Middle Ages the only known blacks were Muslim, so blacks were considered to be by default Muslim and unique of them. Besides, darkness is related with evilness, so the designer of the coat of arms decided to depict the 4 heads as blacks.

In other cases they are not shown as black:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Escudo_de_Roncal.svg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Escudo_de_Valenzuela_%28C%C3%B3rdoba%29.svg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Escudo_de_Valdemoro.svg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Escudo_de_Jaca.svg/410px-Escudo_de_Jaca.svg.png

[Balmung]

the 4 moors they're supposed to be Berbers and not Blacks but Light brown skinned, Negrocentrist use this flag for their agenda.

Really? then how come they're blacker than most black people on the flag? :lol:

[Yuffayur]

Really? then how come they're blacker than most black people on the flag? :lol:

Well during the Middleage in europe, the darkness was related to evilness, the evil muslim was black, lol but if you look closely to the flag, they have caucasoid noses, and they beard is preminent which is a caucasoid trait.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2hmn5ub.jpg

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/8799591/2/stock-photo-8799591-profile-picture-of-an-afro-american-woman.jpg

[askra]

In ancient representations however were often shown heads of black africans:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Gelre_Folio_62r.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/1450_CIRCA_ARMORIALE_DI_AREA_LORENESE.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/De_Bara.jpg



this is the coat of arms of a coastal town in South Sardinia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/2/2e/Villaputzu-Stemma.png

[Leo Iscariot]

"4 niggers" :picard1:

They're moor's heads. The CoA of Aragon has them as well.

Historic:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Historic_Coat_of_Arms_of_Aragon.svg/2000px-Historic_Coat_of_Arms_of_Aragon.svg.png

Current:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Escudo_d%27Arag%C3%B3n.svg/383px-Escudo_d%27Arag%C3%B3n.svg.png

[Sideritis]

[QUOTE=Graham;3180644]Probably American, going by thread titl
According to his signature he is Hellenic or better known as greek so no relation with usa

[askra]

According to some theories the moors heads in Sardinian flag were originally 3 and depicted really black africans,
the symbol comes from the coat of arms of the Pope Benedictus VIII, who played an important role in the fight against the moors who attempted to invade Sardinia.

Benedictus VIII ordered to the Maritime republic of Pisa to send its fleet in support of the 4 sardinian christian and independent states called Giudicati, against the moors ruled by Mujahid al Amiri, in the 1015-16.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/EL_TRIUNFO_DEL_EMPERADOR_MAXIMILIANO_I.jpg




The black head is present in coat of arms of several Popes:

Benedictus XVI
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/BXVI_CoA_like_gfx_PioM.svg/640px-BXVI_CoA_like_gfx_PioM.svg.png


Pius Vii
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/C_o_a_Pio_VII.svg/1024px-C_o_a_Pio_VII.svg.png


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