Might this indicate some Irish on my father's side.

[firemonkey]

As far as I know I am 3/16 Irish from my mother's side but wondered whether these Eurogenes K15 results might point to additional Irish from my father's side.


Single population sharing

1 Irish 1.99
2 West_Scottish 2.5
3 Southeast_English 3.17
4 Southwest_English 4.41
5 Orcadian 4.6
6 North_Dutch 4.76
7 Danish 4.94
8 North_German 6.32
9 South_Dutch 8.45
10 Norwegian 8.52
11 West_Norwegian 8.8
12 Swedish 9.75
13 West_German 10.45
14 French 12.49
15 North_Swedish 12.53
16 East_German 14.53
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.75
18 Austrian 18.32
19 Spanish_Cataluna 19.35
20 Hungarian 19.38


Mixed mode

1 96.5% Irish + 3.5% French_Basque @ 1.74
2 96.5% Irish + 3.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.83
3 96.7% Irish + 3.3% Southwest_French @ 1.85
4 97% Irish + 3% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.86
5 99.2% Irish + 0.8% Somali @ 1.88
6 94.1% West_Scottish + 5.9% French_Basque @ 1.88
7 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.88
8 97% Irish + 3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.89
9 99.4% Irish + 0.6% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.9
10 99.3% Irish + 0.7% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 1.9
11 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.91
12 99.3% Irish + 0.7% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.91
13 97.5% Irish + 2.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.91
14 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Portuguese @ 1.91
15 98.9% Irish + 1.1% Sardinian @ 1.91
16 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.92
17 99.3% Irish + 0.7% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.92
18 99.4% Irish + 0.6% Maasai @ 1.92
19 98% Irish + 2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.92
20 99.3% Irish + 0.7% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.92


Oracle 4



Eurogenes K15:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 2.428
2 West_Scottish @ 2.845
3 Southeast_English @ 4.020
4 Danish @ 4.435
5 Southwest_English @ 5.324
6 Orcadian @ 6.630
7 Dutch @ 7.123
8 German @ 9.307
9 Norwegian @ 10.101
10 Swedish @ 11.510
165 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 2.428
2 50% Irish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.528
3 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.845
4 50% Irish +50% Southeast_English @ 3.004
5 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 3.087
6 50% Danish +50% Irish @ 3.296
7 50% Irish +50% Southwest_English @ 3.312
8 50% Southwest_English +50% West_Scottish @ 3.326
9 50% Danish +50% West_Scottish @ 3.572
10 50% Danish +50% Southeast_English @ 3.922
13695 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 2.428
2 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.448
3 50% Irish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.528
4 50% West_Scottish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 2.528
5 50% Irish +25% Southwest_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.625
6 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Southwest_English @ 2.626
7 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Southeast_English @ 2.638
8 50% Irish +25% Southeast_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.656
9 50% West_Scottish +25% Irish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.663
10 50% West_Scottish +25% Irish +25% Southwest_English @ 2.681
296766 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.428
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.448
3 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.528
4 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.625
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.626
6 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 2.638
7 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.656
8 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.663
9 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.681
10 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.731
11 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.791
12 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.810
13 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.845
14 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.856
15 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.889
16 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.004
17 Danish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.015
18 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.020
19 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.029
20 Danish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.030


Oracle X optionS 2 and 1





Eurogenes EU test k15:
0 Unable to determine 0.01%
1 Irish 60.09%
2 West_Scottish 22.50%
3 French_Basque 5.62%
4 Orcadian 3.74%
5 Norwegian 3.09%
6 North_Swedish 2.40%
7 Swedish 1.67%
8 Somali 0.89%

1 Irish 61.00%
2 West_Scottish 25.55%
3 West_Norwegian 5.50%
4 French_Basque 5.34%
5 Orcadian 1.83%
6 Somali 0.58%
7 North_Amerindian 0.17%
8 Southwest_English 0.02%
9 Norwegian 0.01%

[Grace O'Malley]

As far as I know I am 3/16 Irish from my mother's side but wondered whether these Eurogenes K15 results might point to additional Irish from my father's side.


Single population sharing

1 Irish 1.99
2 West_Scottish 2.5
3 Southeast_English 3.17
4 Southwest_English 4.41
5 Orcadian 4.6
6 North_Dutch 4.76
7 Danish 4.94
8 North_German 6.32
9 South_Dutch 8.45
10 Norwegian 8.52
11 West_Norwegian 8.8
12 Swedish 9.75
13 West_German 10.45
14 French 12.49
15 North_Swedish 12.53
16 East_German 14.53
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.75
18 Austrian 18.32
19 Spanish_Cataluna 19.35
20 Hungarian 19.38


Mixed mode

1 96.5% Irish + 3.5% French_Basque @ 1.74
2 96.5% Irish + 3.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.83
3 96.7% Irish + 3.3% Southwest_French @ 1.85
4 97% Irish + 3% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.86
5 99.2% Irish + 0.8% Somali @ 1.88
6 94.1% West_Scottish + 5.9% French_Basque @ 1.88
7 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.88
8 97% Irish + 3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.89
9 99.4% Irish + 0.6% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.9
10 99.3% Irish + 0.7% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 1.9
11 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.91
12 99.3% Irish + 0.7% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.91
13 97.5% Irish + 2.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.91
14 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Portuguese @ 1.91
15 98.9% Irish + 1.1% Sardinian @ 1.91
16 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.92
17 99.3% Irish + 0.7% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.92
18 99.4% Irish + 0.6% Maasai @ 1.92
19 98% Irish + 2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.92
20 99.3% Irish + 0.7% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.92


Oracle 4



Eurogenes K15:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 2.428
2 West_Scottish @ 2.845
3 Southeast_English @ 4.020
4 Danish @ 4.435
5 Southwest_English @ 5.324
6 Orcadian @ 6.630
7 Dutch @ 7.123
8 German @ 9.307
9 Norwegian @ 10.101
10 Swedish @ 11.510
165 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 2.428
2 50% Irish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.528
3 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.845
4 50% Irish +50% Southeast_English @ 3.004
5 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 3.087
6 50% Danish +50% Irish @ 3.296
7 50% Irish +50% Southwest_English @ 3.312
8 50% Southwest_English +50% West_Scottish @ 3.326
9 50% Danish +50% West_Scottish @ 3.572
10 50% Danish +50% Southeast_English @ 3.922
13695 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 2.428
2 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.448
3 50% Irish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.528
4 50% West_Scottish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 2.528
5 50% Irish +25% Southwest_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.625
6 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Southwest_English @ 2.626
7 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Southeast_English @ 2.638
8 50% Irish +25% Southeast_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.656
9 50% West_Scottish +25% Irish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.663
10 50% West_Scottish +25% Irish +25% Southwest_English @ 2.681
296766 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.428
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.448
3 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.528
4 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.625
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.626
6 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 2.638
7 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.656
8 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.663
9 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.681
10 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.731
11 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.791
12 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.810
13 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.845
14 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.856
15 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.889
16 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.004
17 Danish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.015
18 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.020
19 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.029
20 Danish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.030


Oracle X optionS 2 and 1





Eurogenes EU test k15:
0 Unable to determine 0.01%
1 Irish 60.09%
2 West_Scottish 22.50%
3 French_Basque 5.62%
4 Orcadian 3.74%
5 Norwegian 3.09%
6 North_Swedish 2.40%
7 Swedish 1.67%
8 Somali 0.89%

1 Irish 61.00%
2 West_Scottish 25.55%
3 West_Norwegian 5.50%
4 French_Basque 5.34%
5 Orcadian 1.83%
6 Somali 0.58%
7 North_Amerindian 0.17%
8 Southwest_English 0.02%
9 Norwegian 0.01%

You come out more Irish than me and I am actually Irish. :) I look on these as just showing similarities to close populations. I don't read too much into them as long as they are in the general area. I'm really impressed with your Irishness though. :) I was going to say look at your mixed mode but even on that you show all Irish. All my family that have been tested don't come out as Irish as your scores. Hmm. It's very interesting.

[Grace O'Malley]

As far as I know I am 3/16 Irish from my mother's side but wondered whether these Eurogenes K15 results might point to additional Irish from my father's side.



Eurogenes EU test k15:
0 Unable to determine 0.01%
1 Irish 60.09%
2 West_Scottish 22.50%
3 French_Basque 5.62%
4 Orcadian 3.74%
5 Norwegian 3.09%
6 North_Swedish 2.40%
7 Swedish 1.67%
8 Somali 0.89%

1 Irish 61.00%
2 West_Scottish 25.55%
3 West_Norwegian 5.50%
4 French_Basque 5.34%
5 Orcadian 1.83%
6 Somali 0.58%
7 North_Amerindian 0.17%
8 Southwest_English 0.02%
9 Norwegian 0.01%

How did you get the Oracle X? I would love to be able to do that but it's not working on Gedmatch.

[firemonkey]

How did you get the Oracle X? I would love to be able to do that but it's not working on Gedmatch.

I copied and saved my Oracle X results some time ago.

[Graham]

Could be North West English or SW Scots too, but we don't have oracles for those & other areas. The West Scotland is actually Argyll. It is still difficult to find a proper answer atm, but you are thereabouts. :)

[Catkin]

I thought my dad would be super Germanic English: I only knew of English and distant German and Norman ancestry. But his Eurogenes showed him as Irish too, and closer to Irish than my half-Irish mother. Doing some more research I'm finding he has ancestors who moved from Ireland in the early 1800s. It was a surprise. So maybe your dad has some a little way back? Was his family from one of the cities? My dad's was from London, lots of Irish went to the cities.

[firemonkey]

Could be North West English or SW Scots too, but we don't have oracles for those & other areas. The West Scotland is actually Argyll. It is still difficult to find a proper answer atm, but you are thereabouts. :)


Eurogenes K13 hints more at the Scottish.

Single population scoring

Eurogenes K13

1 West_Scottish 1.95
2 Irish 2.36
3 Orcadian 2.44
4 Southwest_English 3.68
5 North_Dutch 3.83
6 Southeast_English 4.11
7 Danish 4.59
8 Norwegian 5.33
9 North_German 6.76
10 Swedish 8.17
11 South_Dutch 9.15
12 West_German 10.4
13 French 14.16
14 North_Swedish 14.33
15 Austrian 15.72
16 East_German 15.99
17 Hungarian 20.27
18 Spanish_Cataluna 21.04
19 Southwest_French 21.91
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 21.94


Mixed mode



# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.44
2 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.44
3 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Somali @ 1.48
4 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.48
5 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 1.49
6 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.6
7 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Maasai @ 1.67
8 98.6% West_Scottish + 1.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 1.68
9 99% West_Scottish + 1% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 1.69
10 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Egyptian @ 1.7
11 98.6% West_Scottish + 1.4% Saudi @ 1.7
12 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Moroccan @ 1.71
13 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Algerian @ 1.72
14 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Sandawe @ 1.72
15 99% West_Scottish + 1% Hadza @ 1.72
16 99.1% West_Scottish + 0.9% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 1.74
17 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.74
18 99.1% West_Scottish + 0.9% Sudanese @ 1.76
19 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Bedouin @ 1.77
20 74.1% West_Scottish + 25.9% Danish @ 1.8



Eurogenes K13

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 Irish @ 2.896
3 Orcadian @ 3.352
4 Southwest_English @ 4.357
5 North_Dutch @ 4.712
6 Southeast_English @ 5.199
7 Danish @ 5.734
8 Norwegian @ 6.032
9 North_German @ 8.457
10 Swedish @ 9.524
204 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 50% Irish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.442
3 50% Orcadian +50% West_Scottish @ 2.520
4 50% North_Dutch +50% West_Scottish @ 2.848
5 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 2.896
6 50% Irish +50% Orcadian @ 2.906
7 50% Southwest_English +50% West_Scottish @ 2.934
8 50% Norwegian +50% Southwest_English @ 3.064
9 50% Irish +50% Southwest_English @ 3.130
10 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 3.167
20910 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 50% West_Scottish +25% North_Dutch +25% West_Scottish @ 2.250
3 50% West_Scottish +25% Orcadian +25% West_Scottish @ 2.261
4 50% West_Scottish +25% Irish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.276
5 50% West_Scottish +25% Norwegian +25% Southwest_English @ 2.276
6 50% West_Scottish +25% Norwegian +25% West_Scottish @ 2.320
7 50% West_Scottish +25% Irish +25% Orcadian @ 2.411
8 50% West_Scottish +25% Southwest_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.416
9 50% West_Scottish +25% Southeast_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.429
10 50% West_Scottish +25% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English @ 2.434
678274 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.250
3 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.261
4 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.276
5 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.276
6 Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.320
7 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.411
8 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.416
9 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.429
10 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.434
11 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.442
12 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.475
13 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.513
14 Danish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.513
15 Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.514
16 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.520
17 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.552
18 Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.559
19 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.567
20 North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.568


PCT calc 2 and 1


1 West_Scottish 89.61%
2 La_Brana-1 3.60%
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.48%
4 North_Swedish 1.81%
5 Ethiopian_Amhara 1.12%
6 Southwest_Finnish 0.33%
7 Ethiopian_Tigray 0.04%
8 French 0.02%


1 West_Scottish 95.41%
2 La_Brana-1 2.49%
3 Ethiopian_Amhara 1.38%
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.66%
5 Spanish_Galicia 0.04%
6 Spanish_Murcia 0.02%

I am guessing there would have been considerable movement over the centuries between SW/W Scotland and Ireland. Hence why one tool gives a strongly Irish set of results and the other West Scottish.

[firemonkey]

I thought my dad would be super Germanic English: I only knew of English and distant German and Norman ancestry. But his Eurogenes showed him as Irish too, and closer to Irish than my half-Irish mother. Doing some more research I'm finding he has ancestors who moved from Ireland in the early 1800s. It was a surprise. So maybe your dad has some a little way back? Was his family from one of the cities? My dad's was from London, lots of Irish went to the cities.

My YDNA line traces back to a marriage in Liverpool in 1810 and then to Bolton,Bury, Manchester and Birmingham . However my haplogroup E-L17 I think is very rare in Ireland. Other paternal lines trace back to Birmingham,Manchester and various small/medium sized towns.

[firemonkey]

According to Dr McDonald.

Spain= 0.164 Irish= 0.836 or
French= 0.292 Irish= 0.708 or
Irish= 0.865 Tuscan= 0.135 or
English= 0.875 Russian= 0.125 or
Irish= 0.844 Italian= 0.156 or
English= 0.867 Finland= 0.133 or
French= 0.669 Finland= 0.331 or
English= 0.932 Chuvash= 0.068 or
Irish= 0.418 English= 0.582 or
Irish= 0.928 Sardinia= 0.072

Pop Finder (which is an early version of my program) got it right.

It is essentially English, but with some Continental European compensating for
a substantial Irish.

[Siberia62]

You're particularly Irish so definitely more so emphasis on that than English. What I do find interesting is your E haplogroup which is more common in Meds, Jews and Arabs, plus the fact that your Oracle X consistently highlights a tiny touch of Somali or Ethiopian. Could be some ancient Arab/African heritage there, perhaps.

Also, how does your Oracle X even work? Every time I try Oracle X on Eurogenes it just says:

"Not Found

The requested URL /cgi-bin/oracle_x_2.cgi was not found on this server."

Anyone else getting the same?

[Graham]

Have heard a story about Roman mercenaries from the Balkans & that could be a source of E. Haven't looked into it for a while though. That or perhaps a neolithic thing.

[Siberia62]

Have heard a story about Roman mercenaries from the Balkans & that could be a source of E. Haven't looked into it for a while though. That or perhaps a neolithic thing.

That is plausible actually, the Roman mercenaries stationary in Britain. It's a possibility for having his paternal haplogroup. Weird that the tiniest bit of Somali/Ethiopian comes up though.

[Jackson]

Important things to remember are:
1) The calculator & oracle aren't measuring ancestry directly.
2) When you are dealing with such closely related populations it may be impossible to tell, you should rely on paper genaeology more.

So it could mean you have more Irish ancestry, but your results could simply be within the range of someone of your ancestry. Siblings with the same ancestry can vary more than you might vary from the average of your country (which i guess would be something like northern Britain given you are English + Scottish + Irish), so it might be impossible to tell.

[Graham]

Here's a simple example of how you could be British but still fall at the Irish end. Where are your family from in England btw?

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/map_zps95fefe1d.jpg

[Graham]

...

You asked me about the graph.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.3815.pdf

[Jackson]

You asked me about the graph.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.3815.pdf

Cheers. :)

[firemonkey]

Here's a simple example of how you could be British but still fall at the Irish end. Where are your family from in England btw?

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/map_zps95fefe1d.jpg


Paternal ancestors that I know of are from Gloucestershire, Lancashire,Staffordshire,Warwickshire and Worcestershire.

[firemonkey]

Also, how does your Oracle X even work? Every time I try Oracle X on Eurogenes it just says:

"Not Found

The requested URL /cgi-bin/oracle_x_2.cgi was not found on this server."

Anyone else getting the same?


I copied it down while it was still working.

[Gaston]

According to Dr McDonald.

Spain= 0.164 Irish= 0.836 or
French= 0.292 Irish= 0.708 or
Irish= 0.865 Tuscan= 0.135 or
English= 0.875 Russian= 0.125 or
Irish= 0.844 Italian= 0.156 or
English= 0.867 Finland= 0.133 or
French= 0.669 Finland= 0.331 or
English= 0.932 Chuvash= 0.068 or
Irish= 0.418 English= 0.582 or
Irish= 0.928 Sardinia= 0.072

Pop Finder (which is an early version of my program) got it right.

It is essentially English, but with some Continental European compensating for
a substantial Irish.

When did you receive the response from Dr McDonald if I may ask? And which e-mail address did you use?

[firemonkey]

When did you receive the response from Dr McDonald if I may ask? And which e-mail address did you use?

jdmcdona@illinois.edu February 2013

[Gaston]

jdmcdona@illinois.edu February 2013

Thanks. It's not very recent (he doesn't answer anymore it seems).



You paternal haplogroup is very likely a neolithic one by the way, possibly older than R1b in the British Isles. I don't buy the Roman hypothesis because E-V13 is one of the most widespread haplogroup in Europe, even if its frequency can be rather low in some parts. Ireland is one of the places in Europe with the lowest diversity of paternal lineages, in line with the insularity and the probable bottlenecked nature of its founding population.

I am more inclined to think your E-L17 results is a vestige of a pre-bronze age diversity, mostly lost in the last three millennia in favour of R1b-L23's descendants (particularly L21). But you'll have to wait a few years for ancient dna testings to settle the issue.

[Grace O'Malley]

Thanks. It's not very recent (he doesn't answer anymore it seems).



You paternal haplogroup is very likely a neolithic one by the way, possibly older than R1b in the British Isles. I don't buy the Roman hypothesis because E-V13 is one of the most widespread haplogroup in Europe, even if its frequency can be rather low in some parts. Ireland is one of the places in Europe with the lowest diversity of paternal lineages, in line with the insularity and the probable bottlenecked nature of its founding population.

I am more inclined to think your E-L17 results is a vestige of a pre-bronze age diversity, mostly lost in the last three millennia in favour of R1b-L23's descendants (particularly L21). But you'll have to wait a few years for ancient dna testings to settle the issue.

Irish y-dna is mainly due to the clan system and powerful men like Niall of the Nine Hostages having many children. Powerful lineages spread their y-dna in Ireland and just outbred other ydna.

[Gaston]

Irish y-dna is mainly due to the clan system and powerful men like Niall of the Nine Hostages having many children. Powerful lineages spread their y-dna in Ireland and just outbred other ydna.

I forgot about this, thanks. It explains how only very few lineages have managed to survive in Ireland.

[Nerdryk]

Have heard a story about Roman mercenaries from the Balkans & that could be a source of E. Haven't looked into it for a while though. That or perhaps a neolithic thing.

There's a crazy spike of it around Abergele, North Wales and it's almost certainly linked to Roman mercenaries. I saw a paper years ago correlating spikes in E with Roman settlements in England also, although nowhere in England was it remotely as high as in that region of North Wales.

Percentages of E in British regions according to Sykes' Blood of the Isles (sample sizes for each region >100, AFAIK):

Northumbria: 1.2%

North (Eng): 1.9%

Central (Eng): 0%

East Anglia: 3.2%

London: 3.3%

South (Eng): 4.9%

South West (Eng): 1.3%

North Wales: 3.7%

Mid Wales: 2.7%

South Wales: 2.6%

Argyll: 1.9%

Borders: 1.6%

Northern Isles: 1.5%

Tayside: 1.8%

Grampian: 2.4%

Highland: 1.3% Hebrides: 0%

Strathclyde: 1.7%