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Revolutionary
12-11-2014, 03:59 PM
1. It's sustainable. If we devoted the huge resources needed to raise livestock to grow crops instead, we could feed the whole world.

2. Better for the environment. Ranching destroys land and livestock give off greenhouse gases

3. You end the suffering of animals in factory farms

4. It's healthier. Humans are not meant to consume meat in the first place. Basic anatomy proves this.

I was a vegan for many years and ate mostly soy products. Now I am a raw vegan, it is much harder. I suggest starting with a plain vegan diet.

Pjeter Pan
12-11-2014, 04:02 PM
I just ate a medium rare t bone steak

My dad just bought a new fridge just to store all of our meat.

Fuck vegans!

Manifest Destiny
12-11-2014, 04:06 PM
Human digestive systems were obviously designed to include meat. Try again, Ars.

Lithium
12-11-2014, 04:06 PM
I started as a vegetarian and from a few years I am completely vegan. That's the best choice of my life.

Dani Cutie
12-11-2014, 04:07 PM
Hitler was vegan, this is the best reason.

Also
12-11-2014, 04:07 PM
The first 3 points have some merit to them. But the 4 is unscientific vegan propaganda, humans are omnivores.

Corvus
12-11-2014, 04:11 PM
While I think "Vegetarism" is a good choice I am not an advocate of "Veganism"
It does not harm an animal to drink milk or eat eggs.
So I think its more a trend more and more people follow.
Humans are normally omnivore but we can do pretty good without meat.
But I don`t think that Soja milk is a good natural protein source.
Its not ethical at all because Soja production causes huge deforestation

Lithium
12-11-2014, 04:13 PM
While I think "Vegetarism" is a good choice I am not an advocate of "Veganism"
It does not harm an animal to drink milk or eat eggs.
So I think its more a trend more and more people follow.
Humans are normally omnivore but we can do pretty good without meat.
But I don`t think that Soja milk is a good natural protein source.
Its not ethical at all because Soja production causes huge deforestation

I partly agree with you but just check the conditions in farms where they produce milk and eggs, it is not harmless for the animals at all.

Queen B
12-11-2014, 04:13 PM
i prefer eating meat, fish and milky products, so...
no thanks

TheBlondeSalad
12-11-2014, 04:33 PM
I'm not sure about the healthier bit. Now, processed meat is bad for you. Eating large amounts of vegetables is very good for you. So a vegan diet does have some advantages over an average diet. But you simply do not need to cut out meat to get those benefits of a vegan diet.

Fresh meat, eggs and fish are high quality, nutrient-dense sources of protein and many essential vitamins and minerals. They are an excellent part of a healthy diet - which is, of course, why the vast majority of professional athletes eat meat.

Manifest Destiny
12-11-2014, 04:33 PM
The first 3 points have some merit to them. But the 4 is unscientific vegan propaganda, humans are omnivores.

Agreed.

SardiniaAtlantis
12-11-2014, 04:35 PM
The best diet is a mediterranean diet.

Fortis in Arduis
12-11-2014, 05:28 PM
I am lacto-vegetarian because I prefer the taste, and I hope that is a good indicator that this is the correct diet for me.

How can all humans have the same optimum diet? There are probably a lot of people who would be starving themselves if they did not eat animal products, including meat, and it is possible to be a great human being without being vegan or vegetarian.

Osho explains:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWUTiIPcg-A

I am concerned about impurities and the concentration of toxins higher up the food chain in dairy products, but I feel that I was made to be lacto-vegetarian.

Also:


BEING A VEGETARIAN

Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made for vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole structure of the human body shows that man should not be a non-vegetarian. Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute vegetarians. If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.

Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length of the intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers, lions – they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a digested food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of digestion has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal’s meat. It is already digested – no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the longest intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is needed, and much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.

If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is burdened. In the East, all the great meditators – Buddha, Mahavir – have emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence – that is a secondary thing – but because if you really want to move in deep meditation your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to be unloaded; and a non-vegetarian’s body is very loaded.

Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal what happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willingly. If somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you and kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you kill a lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness – all these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence, anguish, agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the body glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carried in your body.

That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a specific purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal’s body. You are on a higher plane than the animal’s consciousness, and when you eat the animal’s meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the lower plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousness and your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.

One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits, nuts, vegetables – eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot eat more of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives you a satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling of fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are satiated. In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a food. Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the body need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the controller.

The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything about the stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a specific purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge, that is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which food is not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the master, and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything will be confused.

Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose can be tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much food research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to eat, you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from apple if the nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the smell, is decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two have become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutritious or not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some chemicals which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.

Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince buffaloes to eat ice cream. Try!

A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body needs. The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you eat the meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then you will have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.

When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry, violent, a certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The energy moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These are the two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the animal kingdom.

When you are angry, energy is released – it comes to the hands and to the teeth, to the jaw – but you live in a human society and it is not always profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot behave like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay too much for it – and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you do? You suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teeth – you go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating anger.

I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not natural – blocked, stiff – because there is too much anger. If you press the jaw of a person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose grace, they lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People who have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when you touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becoming angry. There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts feeling angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have to be released. If you don’t release them the body will remain heavy.


http://www.osho.com/read/featured-articles/body-dharma/being-a-vegetarian

JoeyGee8688
12-11-2014, 05:33 PM
4. It's healthier. Humans are not meant to consume meat in the first place. Basic anatomy proves this.

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Elaborate.

Revolutionary
12-13-2014, 06:47 PM
Elaborate.

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

Meat kills us and shortens our lifespan. Our veins are not meant to circulate so much cholesterol and saturated fat.

Revolutionary
12-13-2014, 06:59 PM
Not everyone has the money and location to go raw vegan, but going vegan is a must. Soy products are cheap as well as beneficial to you and the environment.

Queen B
12-14-2014, 06:14 PM
Meat kills us and shortens our lifespan. Our veins are not meant to circulate so much cholesterol and saturated fat.
Med diet involves meat and fish, and milky products, yet, the life expectancy is pretty high.
Same goes for Japanese.

Oneeye
12-14-2014, 06:19 PM
Not everyone has the money and location to go raw vegan, but going vegan is a must. Soy products are cheap as well as beneficial to you and the environment.

Soy makes women out of men. No thanks.

Armand_Duval
12-14-2014, 06:23 PM
I eat a lot of vegetables now a days and only eat red meat once a week, I could never quit eating something like this every now and then:

http://www.pardoschicken.cl/includes/thumbnailer.php/1440/940/filetepapasfritas.jpg

Beit El
12-14-2014, 06:23 PM
Soy makes women out of men. No thanks.

Why do you think he is the way he is? He is completely feminized. We can't win wars with these sort of people.


(Then again, it's probably Ars trolling us.)

Furnace
12-14-2014, 06:25 PM
Soy makes women out of men. No thanks.

The poor guy is obviously suffering from low testosterone, thanks to soy.


Edit: Beitel beat me..