State the main phenotypes among university staff and students from Cyprus

[Tooting Carmen]

Photos from the University of Cyprus:
http://www.pwc.com.cy/en/events/assets/presentation-ucy-2013-image.gifhttp://www.eusa.eu/documents/eusa/News/2013/eucvo-march_pass.jpghttp://ugaf.eu/sites/default/files/trad.JPGhttp://www.allaboutshipping.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ExCo-Speakers-1.jpghttp://www.goldnews.com.cy/assets/image/imageoriginal/pwc-trainee-exams.jpghttp://www.eusa.eu/documents/eusa/News/2013/550x381xeucvc-winners-women.jpg.pagespeed.ic.5AvhZOWFAd.jpghttp://res.ehf.eu/picture/tphotos/2013/1901/481.jpghttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pB7W5JZ94i4/U3DqVx3AUhI/AAAAAAAACrY/NzkkEBWomYM/s1600/DSC_0026.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dIs1w2tt8nM/UV2TXB6A-zI/AAAAAAAAAbQ/dhe5vqUY7ww/s640/2013-04-04+13.45.52.jpghttp://www.eurocyinnovations.com/narnia-portal/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/IMG_0166.jpghttp://peacetiles.mixedmedia.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/cyprus_youth3.jpghttp://svclab.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/oria-032.jpghttp://i.ytimg.com/vi/0AQhJ8TBJQw/maxresdefault.jpghttp://www.cs.ucy.ac.cy/grid/iconfiles/ChristianaPic.jpghttps://0.academia-photos.com/2466631/771910/959435/s200_christiana.christofi.jpghttp://www.cs.ucy.ac.cy/~vasosv/img/VasosTurin.jpghttp://idke.ruc.edu.cn/mdm2008/images/seminars/Demetrios.jpghttps://itunews.itu.int/En/Multimedios/Imgs/13130_540.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

http://christostriathlon.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/cebcceb1cf81ceb9cebbceadcebdceb1-cf83cebfcf86cebfcebacebbceadcebfcf85cf82.jpghttp://www.neomagazine.com/2008_05_may/content/2008_05_38_2.jpghttp://www.neomagazine.com/2009_02_february/content/in_38_1.jpghttp://www.neomagazine.com/2007_07_july/content/08_1.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Dinaro-Med, Pontid, East Med, and Armenoid.

They resemble southern Italians, just with a bit less of a Western European influence. And nothing Balkan.

[Tooting Carmen]

Dinaro-Med, Pontid, East Med, and Armenoid.

They resemble southern Italians, just with a bit less of a Western European influence. And nothing Balkan.

The only Europeans who are perhaps as dark as these are the Canary Islanders. Even Southern Italians have rather more Northern/Central European influences than these.

[Sikeliot]

The only Europeans who are perhaps as dark as these are the Canary Islanders. Even Southern Italians have rather more Northern/Central European influences than these.

Yes, that's what I said. I also see a large difference between these and Greeks.. not only do these have no North Euro, but also no Balkan influence. Do you agree?

[andyeatspoo]

Dinaro-Med, Pontid, East Med, and Armenoid.

They resemble southern Italians, just with a bit less of a Western European influence. And nothing Balkan.

That is spot on.
The Myceneans did not have much western euro till the dorians came down. Cyprus was settled by greeks prior to the dorians.
Mix in phoenicians and you get Cypriots.

Cypriots are their own group.

[Sikeliot]

That is spot on.
The Myceneans did not have much western euro till the dorians came down. Cyprus was settled by greeks prior to the dorians.
Mix in phoenicians and you get Cypriots.

Cypriots are their own group.

Yes. The only difference between Cypriots and Sicilians/Calabrese seems to be that the latter have a small, but present, amount of Indo-European influence ~10-15%, otherwise I don't see much difference.

[Isleño]

The only Europeans who are perhaps as dark as these are the Canary Islanders. Even Southern Italians have rather more Northern/Central European influences than these.

That's very true. I can even find Canarians that are darker than those people like these guys:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GZP7YSSKsnM/VAJNOp7rqLI/AAAAAAAA9JA/HIaQII_kXiE/s1600/FONCHO2.jpg
http://www.teldeactualidad.com/userfiles/sociedad/2012/08/4685/img_maestro_florido.jpg

[Isleño]

Yes. The only difference between Cypriots and Sicilians/Calabrese seems to be that the latter have a small, but present, amount of Indo-European influence ~10-15%, otherwise I don't see much difference.

Well Cypriots have about 5% Mesolithic European DNA in them. It's just they got much more West Asian and SW Asian DNA than Sicilians. But Sicilians do have more Meso Euro since they have about 19%, compared to about 5% in Cypriots.

[andyeatspoo]

That's very true. I can even find Canarians that are darker than those people like these guys:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GZP7YSSKsnM/VAJNOp7rqLI/AAAAAAAA9JA/HIaQII_kXiE/s1600/FONCHO2.jpg
http://www.teldeactualidad.com/userfiles/sociedad/2012/08/4685/img_maestro_florido.jpg

If you mean darkness as skin pigment. I disagre. Cypriots go pale when not in the sun. They come from the sunniest and hottest place in Europe so ofcourse will be more exotic looking.

But if you mean hair and eyes, I agreee

[Bloodsport]

Photos from the University of Cyprus:
http://www.goldnews.com.cy/assets/image/imageoriginal/pwc-trainee-exams.jpg

Take away the girl third on the left (who looks really weird), I think this is a fairly decent photo of some average Cypriots. East-Med and Pontid shows the most here.

I've also seen many Southern Italians, Sicilians and Andalusians who are naturally darker than Cypriots, but in the Andalusian case, they have a Atlanto-Med vibe, whereas the S. Italians and Sicilians look a little less East-Med.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes, that's what I said. I also see a large difference between these and Greeks.. not only do these have no North Euro, but also no Balkan influence. Do you agree?

They don't look much different to Greek islanders from what I've seen, but I agree that they look different to Northern Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

They don't look much different to Greek islanders from what I've seen, but I agree that they look different to Northern Greeks.

Well, Greek islands looks like southern Italy. They also have somewhat of a North European/Baltic type influence lacking in Cyprus altogether, and also more types who could pass in Iberia which also lack in Cyprus.

[Sikeliot]

Well Cypriots have about 5% Mesolithic European DNA in them. It's just they got much more West Asian and SW Asian DNA than Sicilians. But Sicilians do have more Meso Euro since they have about 19%, compared to about 5% in Cypriots.

For whatever it is worth, on GEDmatch calculators, Cretans and Sicilians can and do come up as 75% Cypriot, 25% German/British etc.

[Ulla]

EDIT...

Other pics look ambiguous as well.

[Porpolita]

Some of them look like the lighter Levantines Sikeliot posted the other day.

[Tooting Carmen]

Some of them look like the lighter Levantines Sikeliot posted the other day.

Cypriots basically ARE lighter Levantines, that's why.:thumb001:

[Trun]

http://www.eusa.eu/documents/eusa/News/2013/550x381xeucvc-winners-women.jpg.pagespeed.ic.5AvhZOWFAd.jpg

The women right of the cup don't look Cypriot, especially the three blondes.

[Tooting Carmen]

http://www.eusa.eu/documents/eusa/News/2013/550x381xeucvc-winners-women.jpg.pagespeed.ic.5AvhZOWFAd.jpg

The women right of the cup don't look Cypriot, especially the three blondes.

If Tammam Salam and Yusur Arafat are Levantine, and Imran Khan and Hrithik Roshan are South Asian, then why is it so inconceivable that A FEW Cypriots might look like them?

[Peter Nirsch]

they look Italians to me.

[Willem]

Darkest Europeans, hands down.

[Tooting Carmen]

It is very annoying how people get very nitpicky when I post photos of different ethnic groups - usually in the form of either politicians or university staff/students - but endless photos from nightclubs, many with a very poor light, are treated as sacrosanct.:rolleyes:

[Sikeliot]

Darkest Europeans, hands down.

Some people do not define them as European.

[Sikeliot]

Still baiting italic roots I see.

He may be saying it to bait ItalicRoots posters, but most of these can fit in far southern Italy.

[Ulla]

It is very annoying how people get very nitpicky when I post photos of different ethnic groups - usually in the form of either politicians or university staff/students - but endless photos from nightclubs, many with a very poor light, are treated as sacrosanct.:rolleyes:

I agree with you, the ones with poor light should not be taken seriously.

[Trun]

If Tammam Salam and Yusur Arafat are Levantine, and Imran Khan and Hrithik Roshan are South Asian, then why is it so inconceivable that A FEW Cypriots might look like them?

What are the chances that three of them stand next to each other in a possibly international tournament?


It is very annoying how people get very nitpicky when I post photos of different ethnic groups - usually in the form of either politicians or university staff/students - but endless photos from nightclubs, many with a very poor light, are treated as sacrosanct.:rolleyes:

Because it is most accurate when pictures are posted by someone of the same ethnicity as the posted people.

Not only because they can recognize their own people in the crowd most of the time. The most importnat reason is that they know from where to post and from where not to post.

[Bloodsport]

You guys are funny. My entire family on my Mum's side have light Brown hair and almost all have Blue/Green eyes and whilst they are obviously a minority, Cyprus has the same percentage of light hair as the rest of Southern Europe (excluding Northern Italy/Spain) and the same percentage of light eyes as Southern France + the rest of Europe.

[Bloodsport]

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/274/c/2/europe_blonde_hair_map_by_arminius1871-d4bi138.jpg
http://westernparadigm.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/blue_eyes_map2.jpg?w=500

[Panormus]

It is very annoying how people get very nitpicky when I post photos of different ethnic groups - usually in the form of either politicians or university staff/students - but endless photos from nightclubs, many with a very poor light, are treated as sacrosanct.:rolleyes:

Honestly i like your pictures way more than those pictures with tanned people , taken in poor lightning conditions.

[Trun]

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Bro if you think Cyprus has the same % of light hair and eyes as Bulgaria and other Balkan countries, you are terribly wrong.

[Sikeliot]

Pictures should be close up, though, at least. Far away pictures is worse than bad lighting.

[Porpolita]

You guys are funny. My entire family on my Mum's side have light Brown hair and almost all have Blue/Green eyes and whilst they are obviously a minority, Cyprus has the same percentage of light hair as the rest of Southern Europe (excluding Northern Italy/Spain) and the same percentage of light eyes as Southern France + the rest of Europe.

I would not go that far. I know from personal experience that Portugal does not have the same % of light eyes as Southern France, neither does Greece or Spain. So Cyprus definitely doesn't either.

Edit: I dont mean this as a bad thing btw. I have brown eyes myself.

[Sikeliot]

Cypriots are significantly darker than Greeks proper, so of course they will be darker than southern French.

[Bloodsport]

Bro if you think Cyprus has the same % of light hair and eyes as Bulgaria and other Balkan countries, you are terribly wrong.

I didn't quite say that, but with the exception of Incal and maybe one or two of the Greek posters, I can't remember anyone here having been to Cyprus, yet the absolute certainty people have when talking about Cypriots is shocking. Yes, genetically speaking it's proven that Cyprus is the most 'exotic' of Europeans. But there's a huge hypocrisy, as half the time I hear Lebanese people could pass as European and then the rest of the time I hear Cypriots are not European at all despite the fact that Cypriots plot between Island Greeks and Lebanese/Semitic East-Meds. People are so certain that Cypriots are as Asian as Indians that it's ridiculous.

And it has nothing to do with insecurity because I don't believe in that shit and I've never cared what anyone other than Mainland Greeks/other island Greeks think of us, but it comes down to a matter of truth.

[Tooting Carmen]

Cypriot MPs below the age of 50: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?111940-Young-MPs-from-Cyprus
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?111940-Young-MPs-from-Cyprus&p=2862677&viewfull=1#post2862677

[Porpolita]

I didn't quite say that, but with the exception of Incal and maybe one or two of the Greek posters, I can't remember anyone here having been to Cyprus, yet the absolute certainty people have when talking about Cypriots is shocking. Yes, genetically speaking it's proven that Cyprus is the most 'exotic' of Europeans. But there's a huge hypocrisy, as half the time I hear Lebanese people could pass as European and then the rest of the time I hear Cypriots are not European at all despite the fact that Cypriots plot between Island Greeks and Lebanese/Semitic East-Meds. People are so certain that Cypriots are as Asian as Indians that it's ridiculous.

And it has nothing to do with insecurity because I don't believe in that shit and I've never cared what anyone other than Mainland Greeks/other island Greeks think of us, but it comes down to a matter of truth.

I agree with you here. I think it is ridiculous when people dismiss Cypriots as "non-European" when pretty much all of them fit in Sicily, South Italy and the Greek Islands (and over half would fit in the rest of Southern Europe, typical or atypical).

[Bloodsport]

I agree with you here. I think it is ridiculous when people dismiss Cypriots as "non-European" when pretty much all of them fit in Sicily, South Italy and the Greek Islands (and over half would fit in the rest of Southern Europe, typical or atypical).

There are very exotic types that you can see in a crowd, of course, that are clearly of mostly Middle-Eastern/West-Asian appearance and most likely they are assimilated Maronites. There are also some (smaller amount) that have Blonde/Light Brown hair and light eyes (I've posted some before). The vast majority though look very similar to Sicilians and Greek islanders and to pass them off as purely Levantine/Asian is silly. In posts I've made when I've posted the entire National Team, or Football Teams, or the Cabinet of Cyprus (which Kylie Estefan has done more recently), a couple maximum in all threads combined have looked really exotic.

We are the most 'Eastern' of those considered Europeans but again, denying the majority of European genetic and cultural heritage is really unfair.

[Sikeliot]

I bet I'd pass as a fairly common Cypriot. Especially how I look now with facial hair.

[Trun]

For me Cyprus is the border between Southeastern Europe and West Asia which makes perfect sense (the others would be Georgians but in a different direction).

Sicilians and Greek islanders slightly fall in the former. Levantines are definitely in the latter.

[Sikeliot]

For me Cyprus is the border between Southeastern Europe and West Asia which makes perfect sense (the others would be Georgians but in a different direction).

Sicilians and Greek islanders slightly fall in the former. Levantines are definitely in the latter.

My opinion is Sicilians, Cretans, Calabrese and the line are where the "European" line gets drawn. Cyprus is intermediate. Levantines are non-Europeans, and mainland Greeks are European.

[Casandrinos]

Wow

First poster that doesn't chertypick his countrymen photos in this forum.

[Tooting Carmen]

Wow

First poster that doesn't chertypick his countrymen photos in this forum.

Who are you referring to?

[Casandrinos]

Who are you referring to?

I thought it was a Cypriot that uploaded them. Didn't noticed the username.

Good photos though

[Tooting Carmen]

I thought it was a Cypriot that uploaded them. Didn't noticed the username.

Good photos though

Regarding 'my countrymen', I have plenty of threads regarding both Brits and Colombians, except for whatever reason they do not attract anything like the attention usually accorded to Southern Europeans, Jews and Levantines...

[Casandrinos]

Regarding 'my countrymen', I have plenty of threads regarding both Brits and Colombians, except for whatever reason they do not attract anything like the attention usually accorded to Southern Europeans, Jews and Levantines...


Wogs are more pleasant in the eye xD

[Isleño]

For whatever it is worth, on GEDmatch calculators, Cretans and Sicilians can and do come up as 75% Cypriot, 25% German/British etc.

Interesting. Do you have a link to one of the oracles? Well that could make sense, because if you add the German/British, there's your Meso Euro coming into play. But I'm looking at a spreadsheet on Cypriots from the Dodecad Ancestry Project, they seem to have 12% more West Asian and 7% more SW Asian than Sicilians and of course, only around 5% Meso Euro total. I assume maybe if one was to add 25% German/British DNA to a Cypriot genome, it would probably lower the other components to be near Sicilian levels. Interesting topic.

[Isleño]

Regarding 'my countrymen', I have plenty of threads regarding both Brits and Colombians, except for whatever reason they do not attract anything like the attention usually accorded to Southern Europeans, Jews and Levantines...
Just curious, your Colombian mother, is she criolla, castiza or mestiza? Where do you genetically plot on a map?

[Isleño]

My opinion is Sicilians, Cretans, Calabrese and the line are where the "European" line gets drawn. Cyprus is intermediate. Levantines are non-Europeans, and mainland Greeks are European.

Where would you place Canary Islanders in that line-up?

[Sikeliot]

Interesting. Do you have a link to one of the oracles? Well that could make sense, because if you add the German/British, there's your Meso Euro coming into play. But I'm looking at a spreadsheet on Cypriots from the Dodecad Ancestry Project, they seem to have 12% more West Asian and 7% more SW Asian than Sicilians and of course, only around 5% Meso Euro total. I assume maybe if one was to add 25% German/British DNA to a Cypriot genome, it would probably lower the other components to be near Sicilian levels. Interesting topic.


Exactly right. Go take the Cypriot average and multiply each component by 0.75, then do the same for Germans by 0.25, and add them up. It should come up to Sicilian.

Which means Sicilians are probably close to 25% Mesolithic and Indo-European, and 75% East Med Pelasgian type.

[Tooting Carmen]

Just curious, your Colombian mother, is she criolla, castiza or mestiza? Where do you genetically plot on a map?

None of us have taken genetic tests, but my Mum is mostly Euro with a little Amerindian.

[Isleño]

None of us have taken genetic tests, but my Mum is mostly Euro with a little Amerindian.

So using your classification skills, judging her and her family, taken in as a whole to determine the most probable choice, do you think she is an admixed criolla, a castiza or like a harniza? And you should take a DNA test bro. It's awesome to see it for the first time. I just recently came across a new company doing next generation testing.

[Tooting Carmen]

So using your classification skills, judging her and her family, taken in as a whole to determine the most probable choice, do you think she is an admixed criolla, a castiza or like a harniza? And you should take a DNA test bro. It's awesome to see it for the first time. I just recently came across a new company doing next generation testing.

Castiza. Even though there's fairly recent ancestry from France and Spain, several of my relatives look very dark and indigenous-influenced, although Mum and quite a few other relatives definitely don't.

[Isleño]

Castiza. Even though there's fairly recent ancestry from France and Spain, several of my relatives look very dark and indigenous-influenced, although Mum and quite a few other relatives definitely don't.
Are the darker relatives showing Amerind traits in the craniofacial area? Or are their craniofacial Caucasoid but they are just dark complected? The dark complexion could be from Spain, but being she is Colombian, there is a high chance it could be minor Native American. You should get you and your mother tested.

[Tooting Carmen]

Are the darker relatives showing Amerind traits in the craniofacial area? Or are their craniofacial Caucasoid but they are just dark complected?

Both, depending on the individual.


The dark complexion could be from Spain
Shh. Don't tell Anthropologique, Cristiano Viejo etc. that. xD


but being she is Colombian, there is a high chance it could be minor Native American. You should get you and your mother tested.

We've talked about it before; you're right, we ought to.

[Isleño]

Exactly right. Go take the Cypriot average and multiply each component by 0.75, then do the same for Germans by 0.25, and add them up. It should come up to Sicilian.

Which means Sicilians are probably close to 25% Mesolithic and Indo-European, and 75% East Med Pelasgian type.
Yes of course, there is a definite relation to Greeks among the Sicilians. I think that's where most of their DNA came from, because if you look at each component of both populations, they are very close in each component and the history also ties them together. Of course there are some other minor elements, but I think by far Greek makes up the majority of it.

[Isleño]

Both, depending on the individual. Cool.



Shh. Don't tell Anthropologique, Cristiano Viejo etc. that. xD Well everyone has their opinions and I don't want to take away from theirs. In my opinion, Spain has a phenotype range, ranging from Atlantid to Berid, with Atlanto-Mediterraneans, classic Mediterraneans and Gracile Mediterraneans in between, even some with very Alpinid influences. I believe pigment in Spain to range from fair skinned to olive and everything in between like light olive/medium tones. My family comes from an island archipelago of Spain, where the skin can be darker than Iberia, but we still have the same skin tones as Spain (from fair to olive).




We've talked about it before; you're right, we ought to.Yes, all you have to do is order the kits and spit in the sample container. Just ask her to spit in one and that's it, all done!

[Sikeliot]

Yes of course, there is a definite relation to Greeks among the Sicilians. I think that's where most of their DNA came from, because if you look at each component of both populations, they are very close in each component and the history also ties them together. Of course there are some other minor elements, but I think by far Greek makes up the majority of it.

The only components that really differ still need explanation though:

Baltic/East Euro is much higher in Greeks, and there is no North African, and on average 5% less SW Asian or so. Why?

[Isleño]

The only components that really differ still need explanation though:

Baltic/East Euro is much higher in Greeks, and there is no North African, and on average 5% less SW Asian or so. Why?That's probably the easiest explanations. The Moorish invasion of Sicily and I believe possibly more influences from the Baltic/East Euro area migrated down to Greece after the transfer of Greek ancestry to Sicily. Those my best explanations.

[Isleño]

The only components that really differ still need explanation though:

Baltic/East Euro is much higher in Greeks, and there is no North African, and on average 5% less SW Asian or so. Why?Oh, and the SW Asian in Greeks according to Dodecad Ancestry Project is only 3% less than Sicilians. But if you know DNA, you know that when a different percentage of ancestry is added to a component, some levels in any component could drop unexpectedly and unpredicted. If they are passing this scenario down, generation by generation, that may be the answer.

[Sikeliot]

Oh, and the SW Asian in Greeks according to Dodecad Ancestry Project is only 3% less than Sicilians. But if you know DNA, you know that when a different percentage of ancestry is added to a component, some levels in any component could drop unexpectedly and unpredicted. If they are passing this scenario down, generation by generation, that may be the answer.

It depends on where in Greece. That is an average, and I notice Cretans and other islanders score the same amount as Sicilians, and mainlanders about 6% less. So it makes me think that the pre-Greek people in Sicily were similar to the Minoans and other islanders, and mainland Greece was always a bit different.

[Isleño]

It depends on where in Greece. That is an average, and I notice Cretans and other islanders score the same amount as Sicilians, and mainlanders about 6% less. So it makes me think that the pre-Greek people in Sicily were similar to the Minoans and other islanders, and mainland Greece was always a bit different.Yes, well we know that in every population there are fluctuations, so we use averages for general comparison. Pre-Greek Sicilians could have been like Greek islanders. But maybe with some Italic addition in their genome.

[Sikeliot]

Yes, well we know that in every population there are fluctuations, so we use averages for general comparison. Pre-Greek Sicilians could have been like Greek islanders. But maybe with some Italic addition in their genome.

Well that is likely where the North Euro in Sicily comes from, rather than Normans. And then in Cretans and islanders it would have come from Ionian/Dorian Greeks from the mainland, and the two equal out, but are lower than on the mainland.

[Isleño]

Well that is likely where the North Euro in Sicily comes from, rather than Normans. And then in Cretans and islanders it would have come from Ionian/Dorian Greeks from the mainland, and the two equal out, but are lower than on the mainland.

That's probably the most likely scenario. Pre-Greek Sicilians were probably just like Greek islanders, but with Italic admixture rather than Ionian/Dorian admixture. If you look at Greeks in DNA averages, in Dodecad they score 6.8% SW Asian and Sicilians score 9.3% SW Asian. There's only a difference of 2.5% there. So the difference could have already been present in Sicily in the pre-Greek period, but could be some residual from the minor Phoenician input.

But if the difference were truly from the Phoenician input, then wouldn't the other components rise as well? They should, but they don't. If you look at the numbers, Greeks have just 2% higher in West Asian (if the 2.5% difference was truly Phoenician, Sicilians should have gained more West Asian than Greeks, but they don't) and the Mediterranean in Sicilians is higher than in Druze (the closest comparison for ancient Phoenicians we have) and only within a 2% range from Greeks, which point to an ancient source for both Greek and Sicilian, probably Neolithic med. So all components from Sicilians match Greeks quite closely, but only differ by a few percent (usually 2%), which leads me to believe that Sicily was like the Greek islands, but with an Italic component rather than a Ionin/Dorian source, and took on massive Greek settlement from the mainland to complete their DNA. The North African input is obviously a remnant from Moorish conquest.

I think a portion of the SW Asian may have already been present in Sicilians before the Greek migration to Sicily, but I think it was small (I think SW Asian was already present in Greece in ancient times via Turkey, and it was also present in Greek Islands and in Sicily as well, especially if there was migration to that island in ancient times. But there is definitely a chance in western Sicily that there is some residual from some minor Phoenician influence, but I think overall, Greek is the main component to Sicilians. They even cluster near each other. They are the closest to each other (if we do not include Ashkenazis or Maltese).

It has to be that way, because for it to be from Phoenicians solely, the West Asian would have to be very high if you add some of the West Asian we see in Druze on top of the West Asian in Greeks, for a possible answer in Sicilians. But that's not the case. Also, the Mediterranean in Sicilians is high like in Iberians (which have had Neolithic Med migration) so that leads me to believe that med is ancient and not from anything from Phoenicians. At least this is my opinion.

[Sikeliot]

The SW Asian disparity between Sicilians and Greeks is higher if the Sicilians are from the west (Trapani, Palermo, Agrigento), and lower amongst eastern Sicilians.. you don't see this just from looking at composite scores though. This might signal minor Phoenician input.

All Sicilians, generally on calculators come up half Lebanese, half North Italian/Spanish, so I think these elements were always there.. the pre-Greek Sicilians were probably half Neolithic Middle Eastern, half Paleolithic/Indo-European. Greeks would have always had a bit more NE Euro/Baltic I think, and that which exists in Sicily is probably from Greeks.

Caucasus/West Asian in Greeks might have gotten higher due to Pontic and Anatolian Greeks, since the scores I see for many mainlanders and Ionian islanders, are lower than in Sicily. But Cretans have the same amount as Sicilians, and Pontians/Anatolians have more. So it varies.

I think Greek islands were always different than the mainland since they had people living on them (PaleoMediterranean type people and Anatolians).

Also I will add that the Mediterranean component, like in Sicilians, is higher in island Greeks than in mainland Greeks. Which implies that the Baltic/NE Euro element in mainland Greece reduced some of the Mediterranean, and SW Asian also.

[Shepherd]

This guy posted looks pretty Georgian to me. Mtebid influence

http://idke.ruc.edu.cn/mdm2008/images/seminars/Demetrios.jpg

[andyeatspoo]

Using this ‘Cypriot DNA’ pattern, the researchers were able to determine, for instance, that Hungarian people, although their DNA contains a majority of Polish and Lithuanian markers, it also contains a substantial amount of Cypriot DNA – almost 20 per cent – in those scanned.
Similarly, Romanian DNA contains mostly Lithuanian DNA, but almost equal amounts of Greek DNA and Cypriot DNA.

The Turkish test subjects were found to have 11 per cent Greek DNA, 9.9 per cent Armenian, 8.5 per cent Iranian, and 6.2 per cent Cypriot.

Other populations where Cypriot markers were found included Armenian 4.8 per cent, Bedouin 7.4 per cent, Belorussian 1.4 per cent, Bulgarian – over 12 per cent – Druze, 11.3 per cent, Egyptian 6.5 per cent, French 6.4 per cent, Iranian 6.3 per cent, Jordanian 9.9 per cent, Syrian 8.8 per cent, Tunisian 5.9 per cent, Italian 7.7 per cent and Yemeni 4.8 per cent.

Armenians were found to have predominantly Iranian, followed by Cypriot and Syrian markers.

Cypriots generally consider themselves to be ‘Greek blooded’, and indeed in the tests done on Cypriots, Greek markers accounted for around 23 per cent of the DNA.

But according to the study, there are Greeks out there with Cypriot markers reaching almost 12 per cent. The biggest DNA contributors to the Greek genome, according to the study, were Polish 30 per cent, followed by Italian, Iranian, Jordanian and Syrian.

Apart from ‘Greek DNA’ markers, Cypriots showed signs of Iranian, Italian – a significant 20 per cent – Sicilian, Armenian, Syrian, Georgian, Saudi and Palestinian markers.


Interesting, countries with the highest number of "cypriot" dna are hungarians and romanians. Those are both highly neolithic.



The biggest foreign marker on cyprus is greece
Greeces biggest foreign marker is polish (confirming squids world wide).

[Isleño]

If you mean darkness as skin pigment. I disagre. Cypriots go pale when not in the sun. They come from the sunniest and hottest place in Europe so ofcourse will be more exotic looking.

But if you mean hair and eyes, I agreeeCypriots don't look that dark or exotic to me. I'm Canarian descent, so there are people in my community that can be quite dark olive in complexion, but just like Cypriots, we have light ones and medium pigmented ones too. They look to be a similar pigmented group with a range from light to darker just like us.

[Sikeliot]

Greeces biggest foreign marker is polish (confirming squids world wide).

MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA take that Casandrinos, Faklon, and all you other Slavovlachs!!

[Trun]

MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA take that Casandrinos, Faklon, and all you other Slavovlachs!!

Indeed, from the Polish tourists in Kavala and Thasos.

[Faklon]

MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA take that Casandrinos, Faklon, and all you other Slavovlachs!!

This idiot is worse than you in genetic-anthropological level.

He can only downgrade you more.

[Sikeliot]

I love being right.

[Faklon]

I love being right.

He's repeating the world ancestry map we have already discussed here many times.

What about IBD shares?

[Sikeliot]

Well tell me this. Why on PCA plots do many mainland Greeks fall near me, who is 25% Polish??

[Trun]

Well tell me this. Why on PCA plots do many mainland Greeks fall near me, who is 25% Polish??

Maybe because Greeks partially descend from proto-Indo-European people?

[Sikeliot]

Maybe because Greeks partially descend from proto-Indo-European people?

Which is ancestry shared with Slavs. So, we'll never know with certainty when said ancestry arrived. I admit my Slav hypothesis was challenged by results from Chios and the Ionian islands which cluster the same way, but I then see Dodecanese plotting near Calabria/Sicily, and they aren't geographically far.

[Trun]

Which is ancestry shared with Slavs. So, we'll never know with certainty when said ancestry arrived. I admit my Slav hypothesis was challenged by results from Chios and the Ionian islands which cluster the same way, but I then see Dodecanese plotting near Calabria/Sicily, and they aren't geographically far.

Greeks speak an Indo-European language so you must be sure from where most of the northern ancestry arrived.

[Faklon]

Well tell me this. Why on PCA plots do many mainland Greeks fall near me, who is 25% Polish??

Why are there Cyprios getting the same Balkan and EEU countries here?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?146213-Greek-IBD-Sharing-on-23andme-Top-5-Countries-of-Ancestry-for-the-Greeks-on-my-list

Let alone Aegean islanders.

Unless they mixed with so-called Slavovlachs.

[Sikeliot]

Greeks speak an Indo-European language

So do people in much of India, but they don't score NE Euro.

[Trun]

So do people in much of India, but they don't score NE Euro.

Those who speak IE language do score a bit.

In addition India is much further away from the proto-IE place of origin.

[Casandrinos]

Sik is showing his true mongrel face when in pressure

Thumb down

[Hithaeglir]

East - Med (the most prevalent),Dinaro-Med,Pontid and i think i saw one Alpine.

[Dorian]

This guy posted looks pretty Georgian to me. Mtebid influence

http://idke.ruc.edu.cn/mdm2008/images/seminars/Demetrios.jpg

Demetrios Zeinalipour-Yazti...sounds very greek cypriot surname lol

[Dorian]

one more photo from the same article of this photo http://www.eusa.eu/documents/eusa/News/2013/550x381xeucvc-winners-women.jpg.pagespeed.ic.5AvhZOWFAd.jpg

http://archive.eusa.eu/files/News/2013/eucvc-eusa_flag.jpg

[Dorian]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pB7W5JZ94i4/U3DqVx3AUhI/AAAAAAAACrY/NzkkEBWomYM/s1600/DSC_0026.jpg
these ones are from thessaloniki Η ομάδα του Λυκείου Καλαμαρί της Θεσσαλονίκης που πήρε την 1η θέση

these from athens

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dIs1w2tt8nM/UV2TXB6A-zI/AAAAAAAAAbQ/dhe5vqUY7ww/s640/2013-04-04+13.45.52.jpg

http://www.allaboutshipping.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ExCo-Speakers-1.jpg

1.Capt. Eugen-Henning Adami – President of the Cyprus Shipping Chamber

5.Capt. Eberhard Koch, Chairman and CEO, Oesterreichischer Lloyd Seereederei (Cyprus) Ltd

6.Mrs. Karin Orsel – President, WISTA International
7.Mrs. Beatrice Witvoet – President, WISTA France

http://www.eurocyinnovations.com/narnia-portal/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/IMG_0166.jpg

In the photo above, the NARNIA network members at the front entrance of the Archaeological Research Unit of the University of Cyprus during their first meeting in December 2011.

http://peacetiles.mixedmedia.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/cyprus_youth3.jpg

On April 8 more than 140 Cypriot youths from the Turkish and Greek communities attended a creativity-fueled dialogue workshop, “Pieces of Youth.”

GCypriot-Americans http://www.neomagazine.com/2008_05_may/content/2008_05_38_2.jpg
http://www.neomagazine.com/2009_02_february/content/in_38_1.jpg
http://www.neomagazine.com/2007_07_july/content/08_1.jpg

[Dorian]

close-up images of this handball team's players

http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/531769/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/523419/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/544294/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/512585/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/515665/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/526942/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/507839/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/540925/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/501055/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/528238/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/544724/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/526517/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/540926/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/509758/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/527913/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/526516/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/540407/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/544717/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/526515/B.jpg
http://res.ehf.eu/picture/players/2013/1901/512589/B.jpg3

[Dorian]

two more from me
http://s17.postimg.org/cta6hy91r/image.jpg
http://s17.postimg.org/uquwlr87j/image.jpg

[Thrax]

East Med, Armenoid, some Alpinoid

[andyeatspoo]

This semi-barbarian levantine should post his source.

Don't be mad slav.
http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/02/06/cypriot-dna-evident-in-over-a-dozen-populations/

Scientists have just published a new ‘genetic atlas’ following their discovery of 95 distinguishable populations around the world. Using this data, a team led by Simon Myers of Oxford University, Garrett Hellenthal of University College London and Daniel Falush of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, have been able to isolate different DNA markers that they can ‘cross check’ with other populations.
In this way they have been able locate the markers from other populations present in a person’s DNA, and can also use the information to track some of the historical or migrational events that have resulted in the mixing of DNA among populations. They call it ‘genetic admixture’


Perhaps the babarian running through your vains is mad

[Odin]

East-Meds, Dinaro-Meds, and few Alpine-Meds.