Pashtuns: A genetically South Asian ethnicity wrapped in self hate(?)

[Dynamo]

Pashtuns are clearly Pakistanis who speak an Iranic language. Very few of them could pass outside of Pakistan, let alone in Georgia or Turkey. Maybe they can pass as gypsies or Pakistani immigrants there.

Oksy thanks for your opinion Mr president. Now fuck off.

[scytsar]

Pashtuns are clearly Pakistanis who speak an Iranic language. Very few of them could pass outside of Pakistan, let alone in Georgia or Turkey. Maybe they can pass as gypsies or Pakistani immigrants there.

pakistani isn't an ethnicity, and most pakis in the west are punjabi/sindhi, people don't think of pashtun or balochi when they think of paki usually

literally anyone can pass in turkey, afghan pashtuns could pass as kurds in turkey or as central anatolians (for the afghan pashtuns who look a bit turkic)
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unless you're telling me the guy I posted, a typical phenotype for afghan pashtuns doesn't look a bit like a kurd

and lol seriously? I've been to turkey before with a turkish friend and he told me I fit right in (compared to our indian and white friend who looked out of place, white guy was scandi so he was a bit burnt by the sun and the indian was a punjabi)
when I'm with my arab (lebanese, pali and egyptian) friends and we go out for hookah or shawarma, the people serving us always assume I'm arab, and our iranian neighbors at one point back when we lived in an apartment thought we were iranian until they asked why we spoke farsi 'funny' after which they realized it's not one of the 38 dialects from iran. Our look is far too varied to make a generalization, the pictures we've been posting are the ones I'm used to as diaspora as well as kabul.

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all three are afghan, these are typical looks, even the guy on the right I'd recognize as a fellow afghan
but whatever to you guys every afghan either looks chinese or like a south indian, fine by me since these are just forums and opinion of people in real life matters most

Honestly the only people it's annoying to hear that shit from are iranians (in iran, or recent immigrants from iran) who like the video I posted above assume every afghan is a hazara. Indians and pakis don't even consider us to be even remotely the same, punjabis and pashtuns in pakistan are quite racist to one another even.

[Arhat]

Pashtuns are clearly Pakistanis who speak an Iranic language. Very few of them could pass outside of Pakistan, let alone in Georgia or Turkey. Maybe they can pass as gypsies or Pakistani immigrants there.

hahahaha, what the hell are you talking about? you probably never saw a pashtun so just shut up.Many pashtuns can look like italians and balkan people. But most have a west asian look (but still quite distinct) which is similar to persians,caucasians and levantine arabs. So about which pashtuns are you talking about??? Anatolian turks look like anything and anybody can pass there so this is also just bullshit

[Dynamo]

pakistani isn't an ethnicity, and most pakis in the west are punjabi/sindhi, people don't think of pashtun or balochi when they think of paki usually

literally anyone can pass in turkey, afghan pashtuns could pass as kurds in turkey or as central anatolians (for the afghan pashtuns who look a bit turkic)
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unless you're telling me the guy I posted, a typical phenotype for afghan pashtuns doesn't look a bit like a kurd

and lol seriously? I've been to turkey before with a turkish friend and he told me I fit right in (compared to our indian and white friend who looked out of place, white guy was scandi so he was a bit burnt by the sun and the indian was a punjabi)
when I'm with my arab (lebanese, pali and egyptian) friends and we go out for hookah or shawarma, the people serving us always assume I'm arab, and our iranian neighbors at one point back when we lived in an apartment thought we were iranian until they asked why we spoke farsi 'funny' after which they realized it's not one of the 38 dialects from iran. Our look is far too varied to make a generalization, the pictures we've been posting are the ones I'm used to as diaspora as well as kabul.

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all three are afghan, these are typical looks, even the guy on the right I'd recognize as a fellow afghan
but whatever to you guys every afghan either looks chinese or like a south indian, fine by me since these are just forums and opinion of people in real life matters most

Honestly the only people it's annoying to hear that shit from are iranians (in iran, or recent immigrants from iran) who like the video I posted above assume every afghan is a hazara. Indians and pakis don't even consider us to be even remotely the same, punjabis and pashtuns in pakistan are quite racist to one another even.

Exactly when I went to Turkey with my family, I swear to god they couldn't believe we werebt turks, they genuinely were gobsmacked. Every single day dunno how many people just randomly started talking to us in turkish, and when they realised we weren't talking in turkish, they would assume we were syrian. Tbh the iranians over here know hoe we look like

[scytsar]

hahahaha, what the hell are you talking about? you probably never saw a pashtun so just shut up.Many pashtuns can look like italians,balkan people and some even like eastern europeans. But most have a west asian look (but still quite distinct) which is similar to persians,northern caucasians and levantine arabs. So about which pashtuns are you talking about??? Anatolian turks look like anything and anybody can pass there so this is also just bullshit

nah we definitely don't look like anything euro, maybe SOME do but they're the whiter afghans of course, even farhad darya with his blue eyes and all can't pass
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here's one of him in a turban lol, what a difference
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Though I agree we mostly look like our own thing with a lot of overlap with arabs, iranians and of course, pakis

[scytsar]

Exactly when I went to Turkey with my family, I swear to god they couldn't believe we werebt turks, they genuinely were gobsmacked. Every single day dunno how many people just randomly started talking to us in turkish, and when they realised we weren't talking in turkish, they would assume we were syrian. Tbh the iranians over here know hoe we look like
yeah I was referring to recent immigrants
I guess people here are just trolling for the sake of it, I know I did over on pashtunforums so it might even be one of us.

[Arhat]

nah we definitely don't look like anything euro, maybe SOME do but they're the whiter afghans of course, even farhad darya with his blue eyes and all can't pass
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here's one of him in a turban lol, what a difference
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Though I agree we mostly look like our own thing with a lot of overlap with arabs, iranians and of course, pakis

you are right but i didnt mean that i just wrote that some can pass in southern europe.But even the white afghans have their own very special look and look quite different from most europeans. But of course we should not exaggerate that and think that afghans look like europeans

[Dynamo]

nah we definitely don't look like anything euro, maybe SOME do but they're the whiter afghans of course, even farhad darya with his blue eyes and all can't pass
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here's one of him in a turban lol, what a difference
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Though I agree we mostly look like our own thing with a lot of overlap with arabs, iranians and of course, pakis

No that's true, however when I went to a Fatiha( pronouncec fotyoh in Farsi lol) I swear there like 600 people, I saw way too many light eyed light haired afggans, I even heard them talking in Farsi or Pashto to make sure they weren't englush lol.

[Dynamo]

yeah I was referring to recent immigrants
I guess people here are just trolling for the sake of it, I know I did over on pashtunforums so it might even be one of us.

You were a troll?

[Sky earth]

lol.Are you fucking serious? Tajiks of northern afghanistan are very different from the rest of the country and this areas are populated by Uzbeks.Tajiks of kabul,panjshir or parwan are almost entirely caucasoid and just show me one sample of a afghan tajik who is not from the north with so much east asian admixture

Ghilzai are not turks and even dont dream about that in your wet pan-turanian dreams.Ghilzai have nothing to do with turks and they are descendants of nomadic iranic tribes (hepthalites,saka,kushan) who mixed with sedentary iranic tribes like bactrians.

Before their expansion into India, the Khalji people were mainly concentrated in Turkestan,[40][41][42] from one of the older members of the Hephthalite confederation, and included many nomads near Bactria (in Turfan) and east of modern Ghazni. Many migrated to various parts of Persia, including to parts of what are now Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, then under the control of the Ghaznavids.[43] In Iran they migrated mainly to Pars, where they settled an isolated region which is called today Khaljistan ("land of Khaljis"). However, Persian-speakers in Iran also used the term Khalji to describe nomads of Turkic background in their country.[43] The Khaljis began to become Pashtunized (Afghanized) since the 8th century and later known as Ghilzais, part of the Pashtun ethnic group.[44]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khilji_dynasty#Khalji_people

The Turkic origin of Khiljis isn't new science . The modern Ghilzais are Pashtuns because they mixed so extensively with Eastern Iranians that they became Pashtuns. Hepthalites, Sakas and any other steppe nomads in Central Asia were half Turkic anyway.

[Arhat]

Before their expansion into India, the Khalji people were mainly concentrated in Turkestan,[40][41][42] from one of the older members of the Hephthalite confederation, and included many nomads near Bactria (in Turfan) and east of modern Ghazni. Many migrated to various parts of Persia, including to parts of what are now Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, then under the control of the Ghaznavids.[43] In Iran they migrated mainly to Pars, where they settled an isolated region which is called today Khaljistan ("land of Khaljis"). However, Persian-speakers in Iran also used the term Khalji to describe nomads of Turkic background in their country.[43] The Khaljis began to become Pashtunized (Afghanized) since the 8th century and later known as Ghilzais, part of the Pashtun ethnic group.[44]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khilji_dynasty#Khalji_people

The Turkic origin of Khiljis isn't new science . The modern Ghilzais are Pashtuns because they mixed so extensively with Eastern Iranians that they became Pashtuns. Hepthalites, Sakas and any other steppe nomads in Central Asia were half Turkic anyway.

yes even afghans are with 5% east asian admixture more "turkish" than anatolian turks who are just a bunch of armenians,georgians and greeks who lost their identity.The khalaj were described as descendants of the iranic Hepthalites and sources mention that they didnt looked like turks and were not considered as turks by the real turks.They were always described as afghans just like other pashtuns and they are genetically identical to Durranis.Also early arabic and persian sources called everyone in central asia turkish because they had no good information about this regions and turk was just a broad term during this time . Even some pamiri mountain tribes in Badakshan were described as turkish by this idiots so forget to troll this forum with your pan-turanian fantasies.Khalaj were eastern iranic people who were a bit turkified but nothing more and they are descendants of saka,kushan and hepthalites who settled in afghanistan and mixed with the earlier population there

read this text
https://books.google.de/books?id=75FlxDhZWpwC&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=al+hind+khalaj&source=bl&ots=Nx-xUbD9Gh&sig=vC41Jn6m0-RocpmrgVR19AxwQiM&hl=de&sa=X&ei=3hOQVJvZFsf4UPK6g-gE&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=al%20hind%20khalaj&f=false

[Coon]

Some of them can pass as Romanians, since many Romanians are mixed with Gypsies and look kind off white/Pakistani. But nothing else.

[Arhat]

Some of them can pass as Romanians, since many Romanians are mixed with Gypsies and look kind off white/Pakistani. But nothing else.

Did a pashtun pinched your girlfriend or what is your problem?

[Demhat]

That's how I you know bollocks, the last name khan is used by pathans, punjabis and indians not afghans. The term khan is actually Turkic not mongoloid you waste of embryo


No time to stay, but the term Khan is actually neither Mongol nor Turkic, contrary it is Iranic taken by both Turks and Mongols and derives from the Old Iranic word Khwan what means "the one who is lord of himself", basically King. As far as I remember from linguistic sources, Sogdian texts show the use of the Khan title too. It derives from Iranic Khwa, which in Kurdish for example means "self". In Persian it's "Kho".

"khwanim" is the female version and basically means Queen. Even today people use the word "Khanim" to refer to their wifes as in "my queen".

[Arhat]

No time to stay, but the term Khan is actually neither Mongol nor Turkic, contrary it is Iranic taken by both Turks and Mongols and derives from the Old Iranic word Khwan what means "the one who is lord of himself", basically King. As far as I remember from linguistic sources, Sogdian texts show the use of the Khan title too. It derives from Iranic Khwa, which in Kurdish for example means "self". In Persian it's "Kho".

"khwanim" is the female version and basically means Queen. Even today people use the word "Khanim" to refer to their wifes as in "my queen".

thank you bro, turks have adopted many things from eastern iranic people like sogdians and saka.Actually their whole nomadic lifestyle was copied from iranic people of northern central asia.They have many iranic loanwords today and not few iranic people were assimilated by them in central asia so that turkmen and even some uzbeks can look still very iranic

[Demhat]

Allot of titles used by Mongols or even later Turkic tribes are actually of Iranic origin.

As another example "Ashina" a ancient tribe and the first ruling dynasty among Turkic speakers.

The Ashina however were actually a Scythian tribe and became turkified. Since they also existed among the Saka and the word Ashina derives from Iranic tongue and means simply "blue".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina_%28clan%29

Findley assumes that the Ashina probably comes from one of the Saka languages of central Asia and means "blue", gök in Turkic, the color identified with the east, so that Göktürk, another name for the Turk empire, meant the "Turks of the East".[13] This is seconded by the Hungarian researcher András Róna-Tas, who finds it plausible "that we are dealing with a royal family and clan of Saka origin".

"blue" as in "blue sky". The reason why the first Turkic dynasty and people called themselves "Gök Türk". Gök is the Turkic word for Sky.

Ashina is the East Iranic word for blue or "blue Sky". Since Turkish word for blue is "Mavi" but in Kurdish as comparison it is "shin" (I use kurdish because I am fluent in it).

Either Ashina is the Scythian equivalent to Kurdish "shin" or it is a combination of two Iranic words shin however is probably a Scythism into Kurdish since other West Iranic tongues like Persian don't use it.

Kurdish "shin"= blue
Kurdish and general Iranic Asman = Sky

In Kurdish we would translate "the sky is blue" = "Asman shina". Combine the words = Ashina? But this is only speculation. However it is no speculation that Ashina and Kurdish shin are related and both mean "blue"

[Demhat]

thank you bro, turks have adopted many things from eastern iranic people like sogdians and saka.Actually their whole nomadic lifestyle was copied from iranic people of northern central asia.They have many iranic loanwords today and not few iranic people were assimilated by them in central asia so that turkmen and even some uzbeks can look still very iranic


The more you learn about them the more obvious it becames, Turks came to existence from Mongols merginh/absorbing with Tokharians and Iranic tribes of the East.

[Arhat]

Allot of titles used by Mongols or even later Turkic tribes are actually of Iranic origin.

As another example "Ashena" a ancient tribe and later ruling dynasty among Turkic speakers.

The Ashena however were actually a Scythian tribe and became turkified. Since they also existed among the Saka and the word Ashena derives from Irani tongue and means simply "blue".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina_%28clan%29


"blue" as in "blue sky". The reason why the first Turkic dynasty and people called themselves "Gök Türk". Gök is the Turkic word for Sky.

Ashena is the Iranic word for blue or "blue Sky". Since Turkish word for blue is "Mavi" but in Kurdish as comparison it is "shen" (I use kurdish because I am fluent in it).

Either Ashena is the Scythian equivalent to Kurdish "shen" or it is a combination of two Iranic words.

Kurdish "shen"= blue
Kurdish and general Iranic Asman = Sky

In Kurdish we would translate "the sky is blue" = "Asman Shena". Combine the words = Ashena? But this is only speculation. However it is no speculation that Ashena and Kurdish Shen are related and both mean "blue"

very interesting information and in pashto shin means also blue. It seems that the early elites of turkish tribes were either iranic or heavily mixed with iranic people and had often r1a because of that.Many names of the early turkish rulers were non turkic . it is quite ironic that modern turkish nationalists call their ideology turanism because turan is also just an iranic word (mentioned in avesta) copied by them.

We dont know so much about the tocharian languages and maybe there are also much more tocharian loanwords in turkic languages than we expect today. But the influences of iranic people on turks were much more important than the tocharian influences.Interestingly the earliest official announcements of the ashina were written in sogdian and not in turkic

[Sky earth]

yes even afghans are with 5% east asian admixture more "turkish" than anatolian turks who are just a bunch of armenians,georgians and greeks who lost their identity.The khalaj were described as descendants of the iranic Hepthalites and sources mention that they didnt looked like turks and were not considered as turks by the real turks.They were always described as afghans just like other pashtuns and they are genetically identical to Durranis.Also early arabic and persian sources called everyone in central asia turkish because they had no good information about this regions and turk was just a broad term during this time . Even some pamiri mountain tribes in Badakshan were described as turkish by this idiots so forget to troll this forum with your pan-turanian fantasies.Khalaj were eastern iranic people who were a bit turkified but nothing more and they are descendants of saka,kushan and hepthalites who settled in afghanistan and mixed with the earlier population there

read this text
https://books.google.de/books?id=75FlxDhZWpwC&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=al+hind+khalaj&source=bl&ots=Nx-xUbD9Gh&sig=vC41Jn6m0-RocpmrgVR19AxwQiM&hl=de&sa=X&ei=3hOQVJvZFsf4UPK6g-gE&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=al%20hind%20khalaj&f=false

The Khiljis weren't considered as real Turks by the older Turkic elite in the Delhi Sultanate because they mixed extensively with Pashtuns which resulted in their total assimilation into the modern Pashtuns. The Khiljis in Iran can still speak their Turkic language. The ethnonym Khalaj itself in Turkic means " kal aç". Stay hungry translated in English. Stop your Pan-Iranist lies. Khiljis/Khalajs are a Turkic people and that's universally accepted by scholars

Anatolian Turks have more Mongoloid admixture than Pashtuns. Pashtuns have only 2 - 6 Mongoloid admixture on average whereas Turks have 4-12% Mongoloid admix on average

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_Khalaj_language

[Arhat]

The Khiljis weren't considered as real Turks by The older Turkic elite in The Delhi Sultanate because they mixed extensively with Pashtuns which resulted in their total assimilation into The modern Pashtuns. The Khiljis in Iran can still speak their Turkic language. The ethnonym Khalaj itself in Turkic means " kal aç". Stay hungry translated in English

the name khalaj derives from a region in afghanistan and not from such a ridicioulous etmylogy.Just give it up,they didnt looked turkish and they even didnt spoke turkish. Khalaj were already mentioned in pre-islamic bactrian coins and were part of the hepthalite and saka confederacy.They are genetically absolute identical to other afghan pashtuns

[TheForeigner]

Might be off topic, but how come some Northwest Indians with no recent admixture can be as light as Freddie Mercury and Salmon Rushdie? Those two do look more Middle Eastern, than Indian. Well Mercury's family were Parsis, so they are of mainly Iranian stock I guess. What about Muslim Kashmiri Indian or Pakistanis like Rushdie?

[Arhat]

The Khiljis weren't considered as real Turks by the older Turkic elite in the Delhi Sultanate because they mixed extensively with Pashtuns which resulted in their total assimilation into the modern Pashtuns. The Khiljis in Iran can still speak their Turkic language. The ethnonym Khalaj itself in Turkic means " kal aç". Stay hungry translated in English. Stop your Pan-Iranist lies. Khiljis/Khalajs are a Turkic people and that's universally accepted by scholars

Anatolian Turks have more Mongoloid admixture than Pashtuns. Pashtuns have only 2 - 6 Mongoloid admixture on average whereas Turks have 4-12% Mongoloid admix on average

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_Khalaj_language

go and learn greek and armenian the real language of your ancestors ;) You just read a wikipedia article and think you can educate me about my people?


from a historical perspective, a confusion has arisen that connects the Turkish, depending on pronunciation, "Khallukh" or "khallakh" خلَِّخ (also known as Kharlluk خرلَِّخ) with Arabized /Persianized "Khalji" or "khalaji" خلج of Afghan/Pashtun "Ghalzai" or "Ghilzi" غلځی. Appropriately, the authors of History of Civilizations of Central Asia state, "Arab geographers of the ninth and tenth centuries place them (Ghilzi) among the Turk tribes and frequently confuse the Khalaj (Ghilzi) with Khallukh (i.e. Kharlluk) as only diacritical marks distinguish these two ethnonyms in Arabic script. Hence, information relating to the Khallukh is often included in descriptions of the Khalaj (Ghilzi).[6] For example, the Arab geographer Ibn Khurradadhbih, in his description of the lands of Turks contradicts himself by locating the Khalaj both in the region of River Talas and 'on this side' of Amu Darya, i.e. present day Afghanistan.[7]

Even more confusion is added given that both of these races, one Caucasian (Khilji/Ghilzai) and the other Mongoloid (Kharllukh or Khallukh) both are migratory. Even today many غلځی Pashtuns migrate in the summers towards Badakhshan, Takhar, Kunduz, and so forth, close to Turkish nations on the other side of Amu Darya. It is possible that some of the so-called Khalaj Turks of central Asia, who spoke a Turkish langauge were either Turkized Ghilzai Pashtuns, or those called Khalaj were in fact Khallukh. Interestingly, the Khallukh are known to have barely reached the Amu Darya in the 8th century, hence, they can't be the "Khilji/Ghilzai" Afghans, as the "Khilij/Ghilzai" were well established by that time period.[8] Nomadic migration is not unique to Ghilzai Pashtuns, as most of the nomads in Western Afghanistan are Durrani Pashtuns. As is evident, unless one understands the phonetic and linguistic differences, one is bound to make errors in discerning between the various ethnic names in question. With the preceding in mind, let us review the available records. The oldest records of these two tribes, one Turkish and the other Afghan/Pashtun, seem to originate from between 10th and 11th centuries. The two often quoted passages that consider Ghilzai as Turks are those of Istakhari and Al-Khwarizimi, neither who was native to Afghanistan.

Istakhari (circa AD 930) says, as written by Minorsky, 'The Khalaji are a class of Turks who in the days of the old (fi qadim al-ayyam) came to the country stretching between India and the districts of Sijistan behind Ghur. They are cattle breeders of Turkish appearance (khilq), dress, and language'.[9] Clearly this 'Khalaji' is not the Khilji/Ghilzai of Afghans. It would be amazing for this 'Khalaji' to be related to "Khilji/Ghilzai" of Afghanistan, as Nizam al-Mulk [10] reports that Alaptagin ( r. 961-968 AD, Ghazni) sent Subuktagin to collect taxes from Khalaji and Turkman.[11] Clearly, Nizam al-Mulk makes an obvious distinction between the Turks and 'Khalaji'; Also, Berthold reminds us that per Nizam al-Mulk, Alaptagin's son, Sultan Mahmud, was desirous of maintaining an army that was representative of various nations. [12] The facts seem to bare that desire for diversity as al-Utbi reminds us of Sultan Mahmud's army composed of various tribes of Turks, Indians, Khalajis, Afghans, and Ghaznawis.[14] Moreover, it would be amazing for this 'Khalaj' to be related to the Khalji/Ghilzai of Pashtuns, as the author of Tarikhi Yamini, Abu Nasr Muhammad ibn Muhammad al Jabbaru-a 'Utb (Al-Utbi), who was Sultan Mahmud's (971-1030 AD) secretary in his writings also make a distinction between the Turks and 'Khalaji". In his description of Sultan Mahmud's mobilization against I'lak Khan in Balkh, he writes the Sultan advanced ready for action with an army composed of Turks, Indians, Khaljis, Afghans and Ghaznavides. Clearly, the words Turk and Khalji appear distinctively. Hence, "Khalaj" of Istakhari cannot be the "Khalji" of Al-Utbi, as it would be impossible for the "Khalaj" to have become non-Turk in a matter of thirty-one years. This racial difference continued to be realized, and in fact became a point of contention in 1290 AD between Turks and Afghans in India. The "Khilji/Ghilzai" were opposed to the throne of India by the Turks because of their race. Barani the author of Tarikh-i-Firoz Shahi, writes the government of the country 'passed from the family of Turks to that of the Khiljis�the gentry, commoners and soldiers�were amazed. It appeared strange to them how the Khiljis were sitting on the throne in place of the Turks, and kingship had passed from the race of the Turks to (the people of) another race'.[15]

The above points raise a few important facts about the validity of Istakhari's passage. He asserted that the "Khalaj" came to what is Afghanistan 'in the days of the old' and amazingly retained their language, but within 31 years of his statement the Khalaj/Khilji/Ghilzai were already considered non-Turks and by 1290 AD they were at odds with Turks for being Afghan. In the next few paragraphs, we will continue to see evidence that differentiates between Turks and Kalaji/Ghilzai. Nevertheless, at this point the most logical conclusions are that Istakhari's "Khalaj" are not "Khilji/Ghilzai", or Istakhari's "Khalaj" are "khilji/Ghilzai" but the attributed Turk ethnicity and language are wrong. In either case, the "Khilji/Ghilzai" would be non-Turk.

Ghilzai have hepthalite and saka origin

Moreover, Minorsky has quoted al-Khwarizimi the author of Mafatih al-ulum, who wrote sometime between 365/975 and 381/991, 'The Haytatila (Hephthalites) are a tribe of men who enjoyed grandeur and possessed the country Tukharistan; the Turks called Khalaj and K.njina are their remnants'.[16] If in fact the Ghilzi Pashtuns are Hephthalites, per recent research, they are not Turks, but rather an Eastern Indo-Iranian people that spoke an Indo-European language, and not Turkish.[17] More recently Xavier Tremblay's very detailed examination of surviving Hephthalite personal names has indicated that Enoki's hypothesis that they were East Iranian may well be correct.[18] Again, what is important for us is that these 'Turks called Khalaji' are not Turks, but Caucasian Ghilzai Pashtuns. We have to look at the writings of Arab and Muslim geographers, contemporaries of al-Khwarizmi, to realize that.

[Sky earth]

the name khalaj derives from a region in afghanistan and not from such a ridicioulous etmylogy.Just give it up,they didnt looked turkish and they even didnt spoke turkish. Khalaj were already mentioned in pre-islamic bactrian coins and were part of the hepthalite and saka confederacy.They are genetically absolute identical to other afghan pashtuns

So why to the Khiljis in Iran speak a Turkic language then?

According to Mahmud al-Kashgari, they were mentioned at Divânu Lügati't-Türk:

"Twenty twos call them "Kal aç" in Turkish. This means "Stay hungry". Later, they were called "Xalac". Their origins are these."[1]

"Oguzs and Kipchaks translate "x" to k". They are a group of "Xalac"s. They say "xızım", whereas Turks say "kızım" (my daughter). And again other Turks say "kande erdinğ", whereas they say "xanda erdinğ", this means "where were you ?" [2]

According to Zemarcos' Syriac chronicle, Khalajes would be remnants of Hephthalites, were separate Turkic people. He was ambassador of Byzantine Empire to Western Gokturk Khanate in 568. According to Al Khwarizmi, was Samanid officer, they were considered as descendants of Hepthtalithes along with Kanjina Turks. Ibn Khordadbeh mentioned Khalajes lived beyond Syr Darya of the Talas region in his book Kitāb al-Masālik w’al- Mamālik with Karluks. But the information comes into contradictions that make it unreliable. The similarity between Khalaj and Karluk is difficult to determine the truth.

They ruled Zabulistan as vassals of Tahirids with title of Zunbil. They were subjugated by Ya'qub-i Laith Saffari, was founder of Saffarids in 879. According to Saffarid sources they were inhabitants of Zabulistan, this meant they lived in present Afghanistan and among Ghazni and Zamindawar. Later, they were successively ruled by Samanids and Ghaznavids.

In 1040, they revolted against Mas'ud I of Ghazni, was sultan of Ghaznavids. He sent a punitive expedition but he was defeated and later dethroned and executed by Mohammad Ghaznavi. During the Ghaznavid and Ghurid rules, some of Khalaj gradually become Ghilzai tribe of Afghan. Ghurid Ghiyath al-Din Mahmud came to power at Firuzkuh with support of them. Later they were subjected by Khwarezmshahs in 1210s. During the Mongol invasion of 1221, many Khalajes joined the Mongols but others continued to Sayf al-Din Ighrak, who formed an ephemeral independent state in the valley of Kabul. Many Khalajes then went to India and served the sultans of Delhi, in western India and even in Bengal, its members were called Khilji and founded a dynasty which ruled Delhi sultanate from 1290 to 1320 and other dynasties in various places as Malwa. Despite their Turkic origins, they were considered as Afghans for Indians.

Some of the Khalaj remained in Afghanistan, in the fourteenth century are discussed in Khalaj Abiward in northern Khorasan, they should set the thirteenth century during the struggles between Ghurids and Khwarezmhsahs. An Uzbek tribe identified by the Russians in the 19th century with the name of Galachi, would originate from Khalaj. Other groups are indicated in Kerman and Fars and even in Azerbaijan and Anatolia. A region of western Persia, the mountainous region southwest of Tehran towards Hamadan named traditional Khalajistan, especially living in the districts (shahristans) of Sawa and Arak Province (ustan) of Markazi, and in territories inhabited by Bakhtiyaris including some close to the central mountains of Zagros.

Khalajes give their name to Halaç District at Lebap Province of Turkmenistan. Their inhabitants are Ersari tribe of Turkmens, who originated from Seljuk Turks.

Khalajs were definitely Turkic and some assimilated into modern Pashtuns. Ghilzais are definitely Pashtuns, I never denied that but Khiljis were Turkic

[Arhat]

Might be off topic, but how come some Northwest Indians with no recent admixture can be as light as Freddie Mercury and Salmon Rushdie? Those two do look more Middle Eastern, than Indian. Well Mercury's family were Parsis, so they are of mainly Iranian stock I guess. What about Muslim Kashmiri Indian or Pakistanis like Rushdie?

it has something to do with the colder climate in the mountain regions and maybe also with indoeuropean and west asian admixture among them. But this happened already a long time ago

[wvwvw]

go and learn greek and armenian the real language of your ancestors ;) You just read a wikipedia article and think you can educate me about my people?



Ghilzai have hepthalite and saka origin

The real ancestors of Turks were Iranic, Caucassian and SyroArabic tribes, that's what their genetics show

[Arhat]

So why to the Khiljis in Iran speak a Turkic language then?

According to Mahmud al-Kashgari, they were mentioned at Divânu Lügati't-Türk:

"Twenty twos call them "Kal aç" in Turkish. This means "Stay hungry". Later, they were called "Xalac". Their origins are these."[1]

"Oguzs and Kipchaks translate "x" to k". They are a group of "Xalac"s. They say "xızım", whereas Turks say "kızım" (my daughter). And again other Turks say "kande erdinğ", whereas they say "xanda erdinğ", this means "where were you ?" [2]

According to Zemarcos' Syriac chronicle, Khalajes would be remnants of Hephthalites, were separate Turkic people. He was ambassador of Byzantine Empire to Western Gokturk Khanate in 568. According to Al Khwarizmi, was Samanid officer, they were considered as descendants of Hepthtalithes along with Kanjina Turks. Ibn Khordadbeh mentioned Khalajes lived beyond Syr Darya of the Talas region in his book Kitāb al-Masālik w’al- Mamālik with Karluks. But the information comes into contradictions that make it unreliable. The similarity between Khalaj and Karluk is difficult to determine the truth.

They ruled Zabulistan as vassals of Tahirids with title of Zunbil. They were subjugated by Ya'qub-i Laith Saffari, was founder of Saffarids in 879. According to Saffarid sources they were inhabitants of Zabulistan, this meant they lived in present Afghanistan and among Ghazni and Zamindawar. Later, they were successively ruled by Samanids and Ghaznavids.

In 1040, they revolted against Mas'ud I of Ghazni, was sultan of Ghaznavids. He sent a punitive expedition but he was defeated and later dethroned and executed by Mohammad Ghaznavi. During the Ghaznavid and Ghurid rules, some of Khalaj gradually become Ghilzai tribe of Afghan. Ghurid Ghiyath al-Din Mahmud came to power at Firuzkuh with support of them. Later they were subjected by Khwarezmshahs in 1210s. During the Mongol invasion of 1221, many Khalajes joined the Mongols but others continued to Sayf al-Din Ighrak, who formed an ephemeral independent state in the valley of Kabul. Many Khalajes then went to India and served the sultans of Delhi, in western India and even in Bengal, its members were called Khilji and founded a dynasty which ruled Delhi sultanate from 1290 to 1320 and other dynasties in various places as Malwa. Despite their Turkic origins, they were considered as Afghans for Indians.

Some of the Khalaj remained in Afghanistan, in the fourteenth century are discussed in Khalaj Abiward in northern Khorasan, they should set the thirteenth century during the struggles between Ghurids and Khwarezmhsahs. An Uzbek tribe identified by the Russians in the 19th century with the name of Galachi, would originate from Khalaj. Other groups are indicated in Kerman and Fars and even in Azerbaijan and Anatolia. A region of western Persia, the mountainous region southwest of Tehran towards Hamadan named traditional Khalajistan, especially living in the districts (shahristans) of Sawa and Arak Province (ustan) of Markazi, and in territories inhabited by Bakhtiyaris including some close to the central mountains of Zagros.

Khalajes give their name to Halaç District at Lebap Province of Turkmenistan. Their inhabitants are Ersari tribe of Turkmens, who originated from Seljuk Turks.

Khalajs were definitely Turkic and some assimilated

you are just annoying me wannabe turk.Ghilzai can be impossibly turks because modern ghilzai pashtuns are identical to other pashtuns and ghilzai lived in afghanistan before turks invaded this land.Just get it

[Arhat]

The real ancestors of Turks were Iranic, Caucassian and SyroArabic tribes, that's what their genetics show

real turks were altaic people like modern mongols but they mixed much with iranic people and later with greeks,kurds,arabs and armenians in anatolia.Modern anatolian turks have almost nothing to do with real turks and are just pseudo-turks but ironically they are the most nationalist and annoying among them

[Sky earth]

real turks were altaic people like modern mongols but they mixed much with iranic people and later with greeks,kurds,arabs and armenians in anatolia.Modern anatolian turks have almost nothing to do with real turks and are just pseudo-turks but ironically they are the most nationalist among them

Pashtuns are a mixture of Indians, Turkics, Persians , Mongols and Arabs. The Pashtunization process in Afghanistan during the Hotaki and Durrani empires is the reason why Pashtuns are the largest ethnicity in Arghanistan now.

[wvwvw]

Afganistan:

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/familytreedna_zpsc0a8c8e9.png


Eurasian Heartland

Eurasian Heartland can be found across a large band in the center of the Eurasian continent. It travels from the north of Europe south toward the narrow base of the Indian subcontinent. Within South Asia, it is the partner to the Indian Tectonic cluster. Across the center of Eurasia, it highlights the ancient influence of the Iranian nomads, Scythians, Sarmatians, and Cimmerians.

As early farmers moved west out of the hills of the Levant nearly 10,000 years ago, they mostly went into Europe and North Africa. The ancestors of the Eurasian Heartland, however, cautiously explored their possibilities to the east. They came into the light of history as the Persians, Sogdians, and Afghans, and have always had a hand on the turning points of history between the west and the east.

With the movement of millions from the Indian subcontinent, Eurasian Heartland has appeared in the Pacific, the New World, and Southeast Asia. Millions of displaced Afghans have also brought it west into Iran, and reinforced it in Pakistan.

[Arhat]

Pashtuns are a mixture of Indians, Turkics, Persians , Mongols and Arabs. The Pashtunization process in Afghanistan during the Hotaki and Durrani empires is the reason why Pashtuns are the largest ethnicity in Arghanistan now.

just look at our dna and see how much typical iranic y-dna and autosomal dna we have and then see how much east asian y-dna and autosomal anatolian turks have.We are still close to original iranic people like pamiri but you are not even remotely related to real turks today.Actually many pashtuns were persianized in the last centuries and it is not easy for a foreigner to be so easily assimilated in the pashtun community but that happened sometimes.But anatolian turks are just a nation full of people with a Stockholm syndrome

[scytsar]

Might be off topic, but how come some Northwest Indians with no recent admixture can be as light as Freddie Mercury and Salmon Rushdie? Those two do look more Middle Eastern, than Indian. Well Mercury's family were Parsis, so they are of mainly Iranian stock I guess. What about Muslim Kashmiri Indian or Pakistanis like Rushdie?
You're right on freddie but salman rushdie is from kashmir where they look a bit different to others in the surrounding regions.

[Sky earth]

just look at our dna and see how much typical iranic y-dna and autosomal dna we have and then see how much east asian y-dna and autosomal anatolian turks have.We are still close to original iranic people like pamiri but you are not even remotely related to real turks today.Actually many pashtuns were persianized in the last centuries and it is not easy for a foreigner to be so easily assimilated in the pashtun community but that happened sometimes.But anatolian turks are just a nation full of people with a Stockholm syndrome

Something like an Iranic Y-DNA doesn't exist. You're talking bullnuts. Anatolian Turks have 7-12% Mongoloid on average whereas Turkmens have 8-25 % Mongoloid admixture. The "Turks are natives who switched to speak a Turkic language " theory has been already disproved by genetics. Why do Turks have Stockholm Syndrome as nation? Turks are linguistically Turkic and also partially genetically.

[scytsar]

Afganistan:

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/familytreedna_zpsc0a8c8e9.png


Eurasian Heartland

Eurasian Heartland can be found across a large band in the center of the Eurasian continent. It travels from the north of Europe south toward the narrow base of the Indian subcontinent. Within South Asia, it is the partner to the Indian Tectonic cluster. Across the center of Eurasia, it highlights the ancient influence of the Iranian nomads, Scythians, Sarmatians, and Cimmerians.

As early farmers moved west out of the hills of the Levant nearly 10,000 years ago, they mostly went into Europe and North Africa. The ancestors of the Eurasian Heartland, however, cautiously explored their possibilities to the east. They came into the light of history as the Persians, Sogdians, and Afghans, and have always had a hand on the turning points of history between the west and the east.

With the movement of millions from the Indian subcontinent, Eurasian Heartland has appeared in the Pacific, the New World, and Southeast Asia. Millions of displaced Afghans have also brought it west into Iran, and reinforced it in Pakistan.

Hold on a minute, what are you saying here? Afghans didn't even exist during the time of the sogdians or when the persians were still being ruled by parthians. Back then we were bactrians, arachosians, paropamisidaeans, kushans, hepthalites, scythians and a few others I'm forgetting. There's not much influence coming from refugees into iran or pakistan since to iran most of the 'afghan' refugees are hazara and to pakistan they're mostly pashtuns going into pashtun land in pakistan.

[TheForeigner]

You're right on freddie but salman rushdie is from kashmir where they look a bit different to others in the surrounding regions.

You mean his relatively light Middle Eastern look is typical there?

[scytsar]

You mean his relatively light Middle Eastern look is typical there?
Salman Rushdie is a bit lighter and obviously his eyes are lighter than most but most kashmiris I've met in real life look like these. There's a bit of overlap between the two I guess.
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[Dynamo]

just look at our dna and see how much typical iranic y-dna and autosomal dna we have and then see how much east asian y-dna and autosomal anatolian turks have.We are still close to original iranic people like pamiri but you are not even remotely related to real turks today.Actually many pashtuns were persianized in the last centuries and it is not easy for a foreigner to be so easily assimilated in the pashtun community but that happened sometimes.But anatolian turks are just a nation full of people with a Stockholm syndrome

Fst distance between pashtuns and pamiris is 0.004. That's extremely close, backs up your point.

[jatt]

Pushtoons are good looking and nice people.. instead of denying the inner mongoloid they should embrace it. mongoloid race is great race in my opinion and have given a lot the world n there should b no shame in having traces of their linages in their genes. n regarding why south Asians shouldn't perceive them as south Asians here is why some south Asians are perplexed when afghans deny

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3B2T_X79loo/UAD0uinKKuI/AAAAAAAACbk/fOZ1NZAecz8/s1600/554755_2194091147761_1711603489_n.jpg

people from shillong ...... eastern india ..... south Asians

http://chennaionline.com/images/articles/June2009/22868627-8897-43be-9545-c9fc43e329f2OtherImage.jpg

people from chhenai ..... south india....south Asians

http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/la-0415-pin03.jpg

kashmiris

http://www.xpitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/63908_570155056364763_709696678_n.jpg

dardic people south Asians

http://cdnph.upi.com/collection/fp/upi/2255/ebbdfec3e704bb194406eb16fbfadab1/Partridge-Fights-in-Kabul_5_1.jpg

afghans ... they are not south Asians ... r u kidding me

[scytsar]

Pushtoons are good looking and nice people.. instead of denying the inner mongoloid they should embrace it. mongoloid race is great race in my opinion and have given a lot the world n there should b no shame in having traces of their linages in their genes. n regarding why south Asians shouldn't perceive them as south Asians here is why some south Asians are perplexed when afghans deny

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3B2T_X79loo/UAD0uinKKuI/AAAAAAAACbk/fOZ1NZAecz8/s1600/554755_2194091147761_1711603489_n.jpg

people from shillong ...... eastern india ..... south Asians

http://chennaionline.com/images/articles/June2009/22868627-8897-43be-9545-c9fc43e329f2OtherImage.jpg

people from chhenai ..... south india....south Asians

http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/la-0415-pin03.jpg

kashmiris

http://www.xpitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/63908_570155056364763_709696678_n.jpg

dardic people south Asians

http://cdnph.upi.com/collection/fp/upi/2255/ebbdfec3e704bb194406eb16fbfadab1/Partridge-Fights-in-Kabul_5_1.jpg

afghans ... they are not south Asians ... r u kidding me

what mongoloid you autistic obsessed troll? You're literally posting old people and elders now and not youth whether in afghanistan or the west but yeah those are definitely pashtuns, you need to visit an optometrist if you think they're anything similar to daalkhors. There's a reason they call it the irano-afghan race and not anything else for christ's sake. first south asian and now mongoloid? Just end yourself, your mother must have dropped you on your head as a child for you to end up this retarded.

And you literally have to be trolling, every single indian and paki I know does not consider us south asian and considers us a completely foreign, with very little in common.

As everyone here have said, we're literally our own thing, we definitely have south asian in us as the genetic studies show (each showing an average of 7-12%), there's minimal asian and everything else is as it's written, now screw off and stop trying to lump us in with you when your own people on the overwhelming majority don't, when we consider ourselves not related to you and when the entire world shares the same sentiment.

[StonyArabia]

I just read Pashtuns are mixed with Arabs? Are you serious the Arabs had barely any impact. Also Pashtuns don't show any genetic affinity to Arabia/Arabians like Levantines do, and to lesser extent some people in Southern Europe. Anyways Pashtuns seem to be mixed around the people around them, not Arabs. Although some might claim to be Syeds or Sharifs but often these ancestries are false with the exception of the Royal House of Hashemite in Arabia, Iraq, and Jordan. Also Pashtuns barely show any Semitic admixture, which often comes as sign of Arabian lineage. The Arabian impact was significant in the west in both linguistic and cultural aspect, but not so much in the east.

[scytsar]

I just read Pashtuns are mixed with Arabs? Are you serious the Arabs had barely any impact. Also Pashtuns don't show any genetic affinity to Arabia/Arabians like Levantines do, and to lesser extent some people in Southern Europe. Anyways Pashtuns seem to be mixed around the people around them, not Arabs. Although some might claim to be Syeds or Sharifs but often these ancestries are false with the exception of the Royal House of Hashemite in Arabia, Iraq, and Jordan. Also Pashtuns barely show any Semitic admixture, which often comes as sign of Arabian lineage. The Arabian impact was significant in the west in both linguistic and cultural aspect, but not so much in the east.

What you heard is false, or at least not completely true - arabs hardly have an impact, they probably have made more of an impact on western iran, during the Abbassid reign of khorasan there was some settling of arabs that occurred in eastern khorasan but it was quite minimal. Here's a link on that actually
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid_Revolution#Background

[StonyArabia]

What you heard is false, or at least not completely true - arabs hardly have an impact, they probably have made more of an impact on western iran, during the Abbassid reign of khorasan there was some settling of arabs that occurred in eastern khorasan but it was quite minimal. Here's a link on that actually
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid_Revolution#Background

Yes I know, this why I said that Arabs did not make a significant impact, and Pashtuns have no relationship to Arabs unlike Levantines who do, and show a good amount of Arabian admixture. I would not called Southwest Iran impacted, as it was an Arab region just annexed by the Persians in 1925, and before by their empire. The same is true of the south Iranian islands, these islands are Arab to part of the UAE originally and inhabited by Arabs, but this besides my point.

[Arhat]

I just read Pashtuns are mixed with Arabs? Are you serious the Arabs had barely any impact. Also Pashtuns don't show any genetic affinity to Arabia/Arabians like Levantines do, and to lesser extent some people in Southern Europe. Anyways Pashtuns seem to be mixed around the people around them, not Arabs. Although some might claim to be Syeds or Sharifs but often these ancestries are false with the exception of the Royal House of Hashemite in Arabia, Iraq, and Jordan. Also Pashtuns barely show any Semitic admixture, which often comes as sign of Arabian lineage. The Arabian impact was significant in the west in both linguistic and cultural aspect, but not so much in the east.

pashtuns show much less arabic/semitic admixture than many except.Actually they show almost none or none .The muslim warriors and missionaries who spread islam to afghanistan were mostly converted afghans,persians or turks so quite few arabs settled there.Some still claim arabic ancestry in afghanistan but several genetic studies showed that this people are almost entirely of local origin and lack semitic admixture. Some arabs settled in modern iran (khuzestan and khorasan) but their genetic impact should not be exaggerated there and was probably also very low

Persian language dominated the eastern islamic world in the past like arabic dominated the western islamic world. So persian language and culture was closely linked to the court culture,poetry and the elites in the eastern islamic world. Most eastern islamic people were much more influenced by persian language and culture than by arabic language and culture because of that

But Pashtuns were for the most time a rather rural and isolated population and some even lived as nomads so they lived mostly outside of the urbanized areas of central asia which were once dominated by eastern iranic languages like bactrian and sogdian but after the establishing of islam there, persian influences increased drastically in urban areas and most of the population of urban areas adopted persian which is a western iranic language. Later persian spread from this urban areas further into some rural areas and today some pamiri tajiks are also adopting persian as their first language

Pashtuns and pamiri people preserved their eastern iranic languages because they lived quite isolated for a long time and pashtuns often have a strong ethnic identity which is also but not only based on their language. Later many pashtuns moved into urban areas and were urbanized. Today most large cities in afghanistan and western pakistan have a large pashtun population. So many pashtuns in afghanistan speak also dari (afghan persian/farsi) and many pashtuns in pakistan speak also urdu.

[Black Wolf]

I just read Pashtuns are mixed with Arabs? Are you serious the Arabs had barely any impact. Also Pashtuns don't show any genetic affinity to Arabia/Arabians like Levantines do, and to lesser extent some people in Southern Europe. Anyways Pashtuns seem to be mixed around the people around them, not Arabs. Although some might claim to be Syeds or Sharifs but often these ancestries are false with the exception of the Royal House of Hashemite in Arabia, Iraq, and Jordan. Also Pashtuns barely show any Semitic admixture, which often comes as sign of Arabian lineage. The Arabian impact was significant in the west in both linguistic and cultural aspect, but not so much in the east.

It seems to be a rather common theme for Islamic peoples around the globe to claim ancestry from Syeds even when in reality most of them probably are not. Must be for status reasons.

[jatt]

what mongoloid you autistic obsessed troll? You're literally posting old people and elders now and not youth whether in afghanistan or the west but yeah those are definitely pashtuns, you need to visit an optometrist if you think they're anything similar to daalkhors. There's a reason they call it the irano-afghan race and not anything else for christ's sake. first south asian and now mongoloid? Just end yourself, your mother must have dropped you on your head as a child for you to end up this retarded.

And you literally have to be trolling, every single indian and paki I know does not consider us south asian and considers us a completely foreign, with very little in common.

As everyone here have said, we're literally our own thing, we definitely have south asian in us as the genetic studies show (each showing an average of 7-12%), there's minimal asian and everything else is as it's written, now screw off and stop trying to lump us in with you when your own people on the overwhelming majority don't, when we consider ourselves not related to you and when the entire world shares the same sentiment. I aint trolling my friend and if you don't like my views I can stop posting but you haven't got the crux of the last post..you aint more different to us than eastern Indians or southern to northern or andomanese to all Indians or tribal people of india to rest. ethipians are also black my friend although they perceive themelves to be arabs.. world view them as blacks. your peoplecan blend in well among kashmiris yep afghan wear is different I know. there are natives in north America who cluster with whites more but don't look it. if a black person is genotypically more closer to Europeans but look black he is black. regarding you accusing me for putting up picture of older afghans I can post crowd pictures from Kabul but stop behaving like gandhis 4 monkeys... n by the way irano afghans race can be found among many Indians its not confined to afghansitan..this is my last post ..peace out

[Arhat]

I aint trolling my friend and if you don't like my views I can stop posting but you haven't got the crux of the last post..you aint more different to us than eastern Indians or southern to northern or andomanese to all Indians or tribal people of india to rest. ethipians are also black my friend although they perceive themelves to be arabs.. world view them as blacks. your peoplecan blend in well among kashmiris yep afghan wear is different I know. there are natives in north America who cluster with whites more but don't look it. if a black person is genotypically more closer to Europeans but look black he is black. regarding you accusing me for putting up picture of older afghans I can post crowd pictures from Kabul but stop behaving like gandhis 4 monkeys... n by the way irano afghans race can be found among many Indians its not confined to afghansitan..this is my last post ..peace out

you are just again embarrassing yourself here again. Most europeans think we are arabs,anatolian turks,caucasians or persians when they see us but some pashtuns even can look like southern europeans . Pashtuns are predominately west asian looking but with a distinct special look which they share to some extent only with tajiks,pamiri,nuristani,burusho and some other people in southern central asia. Nobody except some indians think that pashtuns could pass in india and indians could pass as pashtuns.Some pashtuns are quite dark and some have a indic shifted look but even most of the dark pashtuns look very different from odinary indians. The irano-afghan race doesnt exists among indians and just show me one indian who looks like a typical pashtun. Even kashmiri look still quite different from pashtuns but they have some similarities.I have never encountered one indian who looked similar to ordinary pashtuns and even jatts look just like other indians but a bit taller and lighter.Pashtuns speak an eastern iranic language,dont look south asian,cluster genetically with pamiri people,are muslims and have a very different lifestyle and culture compared to all south asians.Their only connection to south asia is that they raided it and invaded it very often and please dont say me that this make them already south asian.

[jatt]

As I said before you should visit Nepal to get any misconceptions bout ur people Cleared. U don't look European or like us jatts u look like Kashmiris and mongoloid and caucasoid hybrid plus some look pakistani punjabi types. Don't flatter urself I never said u look like jatts. Kashmir and Nepal are the places where pashtoons can blend in easily

[jatt]

And for last time Pakistan n majority Afghanistan is in South Asia too

[Kamal900]

As I said before you should visit Nepal to get any misconceptions bout ur people Cleared. U don't look European or like us jatts u look like Kashmiris and mongoloid and caucasoid hybrid plus some look pakistani punjabi types. Don't flatter urself I never said u look like jatts. Kashmir and Nepal are the places where pashtoons can blend in easily

Kashmir yes but not in Nepal. I never seen a Pashtun looking like a Nepalese or Turanid, and all of the Afghans that i have met look either Iranian or West Asian. There are some who do look Indid or Turanid and etc but for the most part they look more Similar to Tajiks, Pamiris, Persians and to some extent to Levantines, Iraqis and North-west Indians.

[jatt]

Kashmir yes but not in Nepal. I never seen a Pashtun looking like a Nepalese or Turanid, and all of the Afghans that i have met look either Iranian or West Asian. There are some who do look Indid or Turanid and etc but for the most part they look more Similar to Tajiks, Pamiris, Persians and to some extent to Levantines, Iraqis and North-west Indians.

That's because u Probably nevEd been to Nepal. I lived in kathmandoo For couple Of years and believe me mixing of caucasoid and mongoloid for years do produce theSe Pashtoon types. They ain't even fairer in complexion to Nepalis contrary to what Many here would been believing. Pashtoons are south Asians n like their buddy Pakistani suffer from inferiority complex. They think by being south Asians people will think they are like Tamils. Now we jatts are what 20 percent North euro by genotype yet we take it as an insult if someone would say we are not from South asia. Lack of self respect I would say. Living in South Asia but we Ain't south Asians.

[jatt]

Iranians have a softer differEnd look pashtoons look more mountainous breed N regarding turanid type just look at their famous politician Imran khan he looks a cross between mongoloid and Caucasoid

[Kamal900]

That's because u Probably nevEd been to Nepal. I lived in kathmandoo For couple Of years and believe me mixing of caucasoid and mongoloid for years do produce theSe Pashtoon types. They ain't even fairer in complexion to Nepalis contrary to what Many here would been believing. Pashtoons are south Asians n like their buddy Pakistani suffer from inferiority complex. They think by being south Asians people will think they are like Tamils. Now we jatts are what 20 percent North euro by genotype yet we take it as an insult if someone would say we are not from South asia. Lack of self respect I would say. Living in South Asia but we Ain't south Asians.

From what i have seen from a genetic study about the Pashtuns is that they cluster very closely with Tajiks and North-west indians than to west Asians and Europeans. Honestly, the Kashmiris and the people of North-west Pakistan look no different from many Afghans.

[Kamal900]

So are Indians. Have you ever met an Indian even online who show favorBle view of these people. It's always Pakistani and bAngladeshi who have abnormal love for these good for nothing people. Persians were once ZorastrNians but Islamic conquest changed them to today's people. Islam met resistance in India. We have indegenous religions like Hinduism Sikhism and budhism. Since these countries are overwhelmic Islamic there are no conflicts. If Muslims were minority I their region things would been different

Well, my people arent good for nothing whatsoever, and no, i don't identify or associate myself to any northern MEs whatsoever. The only people i do strongly associate myself with are to NAs, Syrians, Iraqis, Jordanians, and with other Arabians. Many Turks and Persians from what i have seen have a sense of OWD thinking that bashing other darker races would make white people accept them. Like i said, im proud of who i am, and im not ashamed of my culture or heritage, and if Indians hate us that much then why the fuck are they living here in the first place?

[Kamal900]

As for the thread, yes, Pashtuns are genetically South Asians, and they dont cluster with Middle Easterners OR Europeans.

[StonyArabia]

Pashtuns look like their neighbours close to them, it does not take genius to figure this out.

[StonyArabia]

It would be good to see how all groups in the region compare to each other. Even in the genographic project Afghans are different from MENA's. They have a Southwest Asian component, not the Arabian one, but a different on that peaks in them and found in good amounts near neighbouring people like the Burushos, and it's close to West Asian yes but it also is different. Real West Asian is closest to North Euro and peaks in Georgians and other Kavkaz people.

[Truthbetold]

Pashtuns look like their neighbours close to them, it does not take genius to figure this out.
Spot on.

Pashtuns are genetically distinct from Northern Middle Easterners aka Turks, Iranians, Lebanese, Syrians, Kurds etc, and are distinct in general from all West Asians/Middle Easterners/Europeans. This shouldn't even be a question.
First and foremost they cluster with other South Asians (Kashmiris, Punjabi Jatts, Sindhi's, High Caste Hindu Indians), and Tajiks, and they look like it as well.

Jatt is right they indeed resemble Kashmiris alot phenotypically.

South Asia is diverse. They are part of this beautiful mosaic. Their Central Asian-like culture makes it even more nice to see how extremely diverse the people of South Asia are, and how it ranges from Tamil culture, to Northeast Indian culture, to Sindhi culture, to Pashtun culture, to Gujarati culture, to Kashmiri culture, etc. etc.

[Demhat]

Let me have also my experiences expressed.

The Pashtuns are on the crossroad of South, Central and West Asia. Pashtuns don't look like South Asians, in the sense of how most people imagine South Asians to look like(Punjabi/Sindi/Karachi Pakistani and Indian).

Pashtuns have their own unique look. They often look like West Asians but with some Punjabi like features/admixture in it. The only South Asians who can look similar to Pashtuns are usually Kashmiris, Kalash and Burusho but that also not because Pashtuns look like them but because allot of Kashmiris look like Pashtuns.
Balochistan is techniqally in Southwest Asia so I don't mention them. Most of the time you can tell apart Pashtuns from Punjabis and the kind easilly.

They look like West with some South Asian vibe on them.


I have come across quite some Pashtuns One of them looked like some sort of Amerindian admixed Iberian. Two looked like a Persian with some Punjabi and a bit of Turkic admixture. Another one like a Kurd with some Punjabi admixture(basically Balochi like) and the last one looked totally Kurdish.

I have also seen an Afghan who looked like a cross between Persian and Indian, turned out he was a real afghanized Punjabi. Didn't knew that something like that exists, before.

The average Pashtun from my experience look like this.

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[Arhat]

Spot on.

Pashtuns are genetically distinct from Northern Middle Easterners aka Turks, Iranians, Lebanese, Syrians, Kurds etc, and are distinct in general from all West Asians/Middle Easterners/Europeans. This shouldn't even be a question.
First and foremost they cluster with other South Asians (Kashmiris, Punjabi Jatts, Sindhi's, High Caste Hindu Indians), and Tajiks, and they look like it as well.

Jatt is right they indeed resemble Kashmiris alot phenotypically.

South Asia is diverse. They are part of this beautiful mosaic. Their Central Asian-like culture makes it even more nice to see how extremely diverse the people of South Asia are, and how it ranges from Tamil culture, to Northeast Indian culture, to Sindhi culture, to Pashtun culture, to Gujarati culture, to Kashmiri culture, etc. etc.

pashtuns are in no sense part of south asia so stop trolling again.Afghan pashtuns like durrani and Ghilzai look much more west asian shifted than pashtuns of pakistan who absorbed many dardic genetic influences.People should just stop to look at some pashtuns from peshawar and then to think to think that pashtuns in afghanistan have the same look.

[Arhat]

Let me have also my experiences expressed.

The Pashtuns are on the crossroad of South, Central and West Asia. Pashtuns don't look like South Asians, in the sense of how most people imagine South Asians to look like(Punjabi/Sindi/Karachi Pakistani and Indian).

Pashtuns have their own unique look. They often look like West Asians but with some Punjabi like features/admixture. The only South Asians who can look similar to Pashtuns are usually Kashmiris, Kalash and Burusho but that also not because Pashtuns look like them but because allot of Kashmiris look like Pashtuns.
Balochistan is techniqally in Southwest Asia so I don't mention them. Most of the time you can tell apart Pashtuns from Punjabis and the kind easilly.

They look like West with some South Asian vibe on them.


I have come across quite some Pashtuns One of them looked like some sort of Amerindian admixed Iberian. Two looked like a Persian with Punjabi and a bit of Turkic admixture. Another one like a Kurd with some Punjabi admixture(basically Balochi like) and the last one looked totally Kurdish.

I have also seen an Afghan who looked like a cross between Persian and Indian, turned out he was a real afghanized Punjabi. Didn't knew that something like that exists, before.

The average Pashtun from my experience look like this.

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pashtuns have their own unique look which gives a pseudo-west asian vibe.I have never encountered anyone outside of this forum and some crazy indians who thinks that this look is close to anyone in south asia.Pashtuns have a sharper and longer face than south asians and are very easy distingush from south asians.Genetically they still cluster closest to pamiri and their y-dna is more than 80% indoeuropean,west asian or central asian.But some pashtuns mixed with indian women or have a dardic origin so some pashtuns can look indic shifted but from my personal experience they are a minority among afghan pashtuns

[Arhat]

That's because u Probably nevEd been to Nepal. I lived in kathmandoo For couple Of years and believe me mixing of caucasoid and mongoloid for years do produce theSe Pashtoon types. They ain't even fairer in complexion to Nepalis contrary to what Many here would been believing. Pashtoons are south Asians n like their buddy Pakistani suffer from inferiority complex. They think by being south Asians people will think they are like Tamils. Now we jatts are what 20 percent North euro by genotype yet we take it as an insult if someone would say we are not from South asia. Lack of self respect I would say. Living in South Asia but we Ain't south Asians.

wow nepal??? why not indonesia? This is one of the most stupid things about pashtuns i have ever heard.Some pashhtuns can look similar to kashmiri and other whiter northwestern indians but not to people of nepal who look for me like a mix of hazara and northern indians.

[Truthbetold]

Let me have also my experiences expressed.

The Pashtuns are on the crossroad of South, Central and West Asia.

I concur with most of your post. Except for the fact that you're mistaking the position of Afghanistan (on the crossroads of West, Central, and South Asia), with the Pashtun ethnic group, the vast majority of them living in Pakistan, which is South Asia, and the lesser amount in Afghanistan as the predominant ethnic group there.



Regions with significant populations
1) Pakistan 29,342,892 (2012)[4]
2) Afghanistan 12,776,369 (2012)[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun_people

Pashtuns are South Asians genetically as everyone has seen and everyone agrees with. Even historically they're tied even more to South Asia (modern day Pakistan, and North India) than Central Asia proper. Geographically the largest amount of them also live in South Asia (Pakistan). I don't think anyone can refute this.
They're so similar to Kashmiris, who are also South Asians. If Pashtuns are not South Asians, then so are not Punjabi Jatts, Burusho, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, Himachali High Castes, etc. lol.

I agree with Jatt, them not accepting being South Asian would be borderline self hate. Hence why I opened this thread to question all this. It shouldn't even be a question imho.

http://aminus3.s3.amazonaws.com/image/g0005/u00004518/i00299720/e850a7a776b550f270334930488a6a54_large.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5292/5561497850_c1f42f470a_z.jpg

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Pashtun+Tribesmen+Children+Living+Outskirts+m-Toroy29DFl.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5069/5562017736_d757e295c6.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-bKlvYrmrjU/maxresdefault.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10468648_10154547795185131_7842129348944735159_n.j pg?oh=857a39160a694a9ca2cc93fa7c1068bd&oe=550ED0DA&__gda__=1430346149_430a929d4dc413dab5b14b3e1161fc6 1

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2014-03/31/133227763_13962627048641n.jpg

http://www.geourdu.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Pashtun.jpg

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-IP858_TALFEA_G_20100525184404.jpg

http://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2014/03/27/8e5cfedc-4ae9-432b-a11f-0e46caf9261c/8e5cfedc-4ae9-432b-a11f-0e46caf9261c_16x9_600x338.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5227/5560632715_f2142a8272.jpg

http://www.balochonline.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1396406832-pakistan-protest-against-unrest-and-target-killings-in-balochistan_4357979.jpg

They have one of the best looking features amongst all South Asians imho.

[Truthbetold]

Interesting how similar Northwest South Asians (Pashtuns, Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's etc) look.

Punjabi Jatts:
http://static1.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/2000-0/photos/1369037218-cast-of-jatts-in-golmaal-pray-for-success-at-golden-temple_2070910.jpg

http://www.joshuaproject.net/assets/media/profiles/photos/p15382.jpg

Kashmiri people:

http://media.nj.com/star-ledger/photo/2012/08/-78cc67b139d7a7fd.jpg

http://static2.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/100-7/photos/1248443233-kashmiri-muslims-praying-on-friday-following--meerajunnabi111487_111487.jpg

http://static3.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/100-0/photos/111490.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Kashmiri_man.jpg

http://www.asiaexplorers.com/india/kashmir/people/05.jpg

Pashtuns:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5144/5560629057_b4f74b7842.jpg

http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/files/2013/12/7_CH3_013_13_173-Edit-Edit-featured.jpg

Sindhi people:

http://i1.tribune.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/307757-SindhCulturephotofile-1324059676-408-640x480.jpg

[KingofBactria]

Interesting how similar Northwest South Asians (Pashtuns, Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's etc) look.

Punjabi Jatts:
http://static1.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/2000-0/photos/1369037218-cast-of-jatts-in-golmaal-pray-for-success-at-golden-temple_2070910.jpg

http://www.joshuaproject.net/assets/media/profiles/photos/p15382.jpg

Kashmiri people:

http://media.nj.com/star-ledger/photo/2012/08/-78cc67b139d7a7fd.jpg

http://static2.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/100-7/photos/1248443233-kashmiri-muslims-praying-on-friday-following--meerajunnabi111487_111487.jpg

http://static3.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/100-0/photos/111490.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Kashmiri_man.jpg

http://www.asiaexplorers.com/india/kashmir/people/05.jpg

Pashtuns:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5144/5560629057_b4f74b7842.jpg

http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/files/2013/12/7_CH3_013_13_173-Edit-Edit-featured.jpg

Sindhi people:

http://i1.tribune.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/307757-SindhCulturephotofile-1324059676-408-640x480.jpg

You posted the same pictures again and again. Haven't you seen the other links on the other pages? They show afghans in the west, who take care of their appearance etc. Anyone can cherry pick certain group pics. Plus your pics don't makes sense, these so many people in one pic, a person will not look at their features but look at their pigmentation, clothing and environment and automatically assume they look thr same. There's videos and pics of afghans, individual, as well, any Afghan would know that these pics are not representative. You can say what you want, who cares?

[KingofBactria]

A member on another forum who has actual knowledge of genetics.
" Based on my understanding ( and this may be flawed) is that Pashtuns are essentially a South Central Asian people, that is they are mainly a West Eurasian People (over 90% of their Genome (ANE = West Eurasian), we know that ANE were the first West Eurasians who entered that region). Other Iranian groups such as Kurds, Persian have lower ANE, but they have higher ANE than other West Asians, Hence why Iranian have a pull towards the South Central Asians.

During the Neolithic period, "Ancient Near Easterners" absorb ANE hunter gatherers across West Asia, and eventually, they reach South Asia and South Central Asia and they mix with local population. So South Central Asia became = Mainly(ANE+ASI)+ Near Eastern in that period.

Then Indo-Iranian populations rich in ANE enter South Asia and South Central Asia via the northwestern passes in contemporary Afghanistan and northwestern Pakistan. (Pashutn Area was the entry point to the Indian Subcontinent.)

More admixture with ANE-rich populations occurs across the centuries, with Scythian people, Kushans, and other similar groups who migrate into South Asia and South Central Asia.

At the end of it all, people in the northwest and south central Asia basically become West Eurasians (because West Eurasian gene flow is constantly diffusing throughout the area),

However, among the Iranic peoples of South central Asia (Pashtuns and Baloch), there are some intense episodes of West Asian gene flow which sets them apart from NW Indians and Makes them closer to Iranians such as Persian, Kurds, Azeris etc.

Then later on you have Turkic-Mongolic admixture occurs among Pashtun tribes.

So all in all, Pashtuns have highest Near Eastern Admixture and lowest ASI compared to any NW South Asians ( i.e. Punjabi, Kashmirs, Sindhi etc). The level of these two admixture plus the environmental factors tbh clearlysets the Pashtuns apart from North West South Asian, but North West South Asian do have a pull towards South Central Asians. "

[KingofBactria]

If you look at the K=7 eurogenes run, the afghans are clearly separated from the northwest South Asians. I'll post the results.

[KingofBactria]

From what i have seen from a genetic study about the Pashtuns is that they cluster very closely with Tajiks and North-west indians than to west Asians and Europeans. Honestly, the Kashmiris and the people of North-west Pakistan look no different from many Afghans.

They don't ckuster with South Asians at all. The only ones who ckuster with sindhis sre thr psthans from Pakistan, rumour has it they have been pashtunized dardics. They're resukts compared to afghan pashtuns backs it up. The afghan pashtuns are distinct from west asians and northwest South asians, they are ckuster with pamiris and yaghnobis( fully caucasoid btw check their pics). However, afghans are a western eurasuan prople genetically like western asians but due to Central asuan isolation we are distinct from west asians but have a heavy pull towards west asians. It's the northwest South Asians that have a pull towards us not the other way round. Read the quote above made by an iranian member.

[KingofBactria]

People think we are a south asuan people etc showing very dark poor povery strived people. That's absurd. Why don't truthbetold go to anthrogenica and say this? Because he's got no clue what he's saying, they'll all laugh at him over their. Afghans are a western eurasuan people but due to isolation with thr Central asian pamiris and yaghnobis we have become distinct from west asians.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TPZ9Kigo5ZI/AAAAAAAAC90/y_TOcj02A4w/s1600/1_2.png

The pathans as you can see ckuster with sindhis, however the pashtuns will couster above them with s pull towards west asua and Caucasus.

[Truthbetold]

Seems our (Northwest) South Asian friend Dynamo has returned on a sock account :)

[KingofBactria]

Seems our (Northwest) South Asian friend Dynamo has returned on a sock account :)

Go to anthrogenica please and say this. They are knowledgable people who actually know what they are talking about. Take the mick, who cares, but ignorance is blinding you.

[KingofBactria]

Afghan Pashtun (Popalzai/Durrani) (Kandahar) ANE:26.42% ASE:9.32% WHG-UHG:11.34% Eastern eurasian :3.07% ENF: 47.59%

[KingofBactria]

Another afghsn pashtun from Kandahar

Afghan Pashtun (Kandahar) ANE: 27.99% ASE: 10.48% WHG-UHG:6.64% Eastern Eurasian 3.26% ENF: 50.04%

[KingofBactria]

Afghan of pashtun and tajik ancestry

1/2 Afghan Tajik (Panjsher), 1/2 Afghan Pashtun (Wardak) (M.B.) ANE: 29.38% ASE: 10.28% WHG-UHH9.35% Eastern Eurasian 3.25% ENF: 46.01%

[KingofBactria]

Afghan Pashtun from nangarhar/ Kandahar

Afghan Pashtun (Mohammadzai) ANE: 26.91% ASE:9.10% WHG-UHG: 8.96% Eastern Eurasian:3.37%. ENF: 49.78%

[KingofBactria]

Compare those to iranian, not the same but if you see, it clearly backs up the point( quote)

Iranian ANE: 18.95% ASE: 6.12% WHG-UHG: 9.32% Eastern eurasian 0.76% ENF:63.29%

[KingofBactria]

So afghans have a slightly higher ANE, ASE WHG-UHG and Eastern Eurasian but lower ENF than iranians. Makes sense.

[KingofBactria]

These are what afghans in Afghanistan look like

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n28wWHwrxLM If you like bodybuilding then you will love this :)

Look at the two main guys, 19:20-20:00. Now there are South asian lookimg afghans so truthbetold and jatt don't have any orgasms, but look at the aversge. Also look at when the afghans stand next to the iranian body builders. No difference Infact afghabs are lighter.

I can't find the video with English Subs sorry

Edit post: actually you can go on to the youtube setting button and select English translayion from German to english

[KingofBactria]

It's a really good video so watch all of it

[KingofBactria]

As for the thread, yes, Pashtuns are genetically South Asians, and they dont cluster with Middle Easterners OR Europeans.

That's a pretty stupid comment tbh. Who said Europeans? No one said middle easterners either. If you look at the pca plot which I posted above, middle easterners are pretty diverse as well. The bedoiuns, gulf arabs form their own ckuster, levantines cluster with iranians but a pull towards the bedoiun cluster. Do not look at the Pathan plot because it's not representstive of afghans, just like Palestinian gazas are not representative of West Bank Palestinians. The afghans would cluster above the makrani plot with a pull towards Iran and Caucasus, so basically we will form a distinct ckuster, neither west asian nor northwest South. Asia. However, we will be closer to Middle easterners and Caucasians than nearly all South asians.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TPZ9Kigo5ZI/AAAAAAAAC90/y_TOcj02A4w/s1600/1_2.png
Btw my mistake, I meant Yemenese not bedoiun. Although the levantines are closer to iranians Kurds than bedoiuns

[Truthbetold]

Ashamed of his South Asian roots he now tries to drag himself to West Asians lol

Pashtuns = South Asian

Never thought a person could have so much superiority complexion towards his close genetic brethren, and at the same time so much infeiority complexion compared to what he is lol

Punjabi Jatts, Pashtuns, Kashmiris, Sindhi's and other South Asians = one people

[Truthbetold]

Pushtoons are good looking and nice people.. instead of denying the inner mongoloid they should embrace it. mongoloid race is great race in my opinion and have given a lot the world n there should b no shame in having traces of their linages in their genes. n regarding why south Asians shouldn't perceive them as south Asians here is why some south Asians are perplexed when afghans deny

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3B2T_X79loo/UAD0uinKKuI/AAAAAAAACbk/fOZ1NZAecz8/s1600/554755_2194091147761_1711603489_n.jpg

people from shillong ...... eastern india ..... south Asians

http://chennaionline.com/images/articles/June2009/22868627-8897-43be-9545-c9fc43e329f2OtherImage.jpg

people from chhenai ..... south india....south Asians

http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/la-0415-pin03.jpg

kashmiris

http://www.xpitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/63908_570155056364763_709696678_n.jpg

dardic people south Asians

http://cdnph.upi.com/collection/fp/upi/2255/ebbdfec3e704bb194406eb16fbfadab1/Partridge-Fights-in-Kabul_5_1.jpg

afghans ... they are not south Asians ... r u kidding me

+100000

Pashtuns are South Asians

[KingofBactria]

Ashamed of his South Asian roots he now tries to drag himself to West Asians lol

Pashtuns = South Asian

Never thought a person could have so much superiority complexion towards his close genetic brethren, and at the same time so much infeiority complexion compared to what he is lol

Punjabi Jatts, Pashtuns, Kashmiris, Sindhi's and other South Asians = one people

What th actual fuck is wrong with you? You are clearly a troll who God knows why is doing this.

[KingofBactria]

Ashamed of his South Asian roots he now tries to drag himself to West Asians lol

Pashtuns = South Asian

Never thought a person could have so much superiority complexion towards his close genetic brethren, and at the same time so much infeiority complexion compared to what he is lol

Punjabi Jatts, Pashtuns, Kashmiris, Sindhi's and other South Asians = one people

So all these genetic results I'm posting is useless? Seriously I wanna meet you in real life to see why your doing this.

[KingofBactria]

I'm guessing Azeris are South asian too lol then

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110826/soori20110826171033780.jpg
http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120815/rahimi20120815092224107.jpg

There's plenty more but I'm not sad like you to sit down and browse pics

[KingofBactria]

+100000

Pashtuns are South Asians

Why don't you look at their features? They are clearly different, the only thing in common they have is, similar clothing, pigmentation and facial hair. A person will look at that and automatically assume they look the same!!!

[Truthbetold]

High Caste Himachali Hindu (Northwest India):

1Burusho (derived)7.81
2Pathan (derived)11.97
3Sindhi (derived)12.44
4Jew_India (derived)14.47
5Balochi (derived)17.93
6Pashtun (derived)19.29
7Hindu (derived)21.83
8Makrani (derived)22.16
9Brahui (derived)22.67
10Parsi (derived)24.18
11Tadjik (derived)24.4
12Turkmen (derived)28.68
13Roma (derived)29.15
14Indian (derived)29.16
15Uzbek (derived)31.51

Pashtuns are clear cut (Northwest) South Asians.

[KingofBactria]

High Caste Himachali Hindu (Northwest India):

1Burusho (derived)7.81
2Pathan (derived)11.97
3Sindhi (derived)12.44
4Jew_India (derived)14.47
5Balochi (derived)17.93
6Pashtun (derived)19.29
7Hindu (derived)21.83
8Makrani (derived)22.16
9Brahui (derived)22.67
10Parsi (derived)24.18
11Tadjik (derived)24.4
12Turkmen (derived)28.68
13Roma (derived)29.15
14Indian (derived)29.16
15Uzbek (derived)31.51

Pashtuns are clear cut (Northwest) South Asians.

Oh yeah that makes sense, so no jatts or punjabis are in that sample? Lol don't fool me, plus look at the distance !!! He'll even Turkmens come up, guessing they're South asuan too? What's next? Kazakhs? Msybe Eastern iranians? That result doesn't even make sense lol. Your telling me, the high caste is closer to a pashtun than to a Hindu?!! Looooool you obviously made this up!! How sad can you get? Plus it shouldn't say pashtun, it should say AFGHAN PASHTUN! FAKE.

[KingofBactria]

High Caste Himachali Hindu (Northwest India):

1Burusho (derived)7.81
2Pathan (derived)11.97
3Sindhi (derived)12.44
4Jew_India (derived)14.47
5Balochi (derived)17.93
6Pashtun (derived)19.29
7Hindu (derived)21.83
8Makrani (derived)22.16
9Brahui (derived)22.67
10Parsi (derived)24.18
11Tadjik (derived)24.4
12Turkmen (derived)28.68
13Roma (derived)29.15
14Indian (derived)29.16
15Uzbek (derived)31.51

Pashtuns are clear cut (Northwest) South Asians.

You obviously made this up because firstly, it should say afghan Pashtun. Secondly, this Is bullshit, since when did high castes be closer to pashtuns, burushos and makranis than indians themsekves!!! I've never seen those terms in the oracles, everyone this is fake

[KingofBactria]

Atleast provide valid non fake information bro come on that's pretty low. All my info is valid and non tampered. Shame on you. Just shows how desperate you really are. Sad.

[KingofBactria]

Let me have also my experiences expressed.

The Pashtuns are on the crossroad of South, Central and West Asia. Pashtuns don't look like South Asians, in the sense of how most people imagine South Asians to look like(Punjabi/Sindi/Karachi Pakistani and Indian).

Pashtuns have their own unique look. They often look like West Asians but with some Punjabi like features/admixture. The only South Asians who can look similar to Pashtuns are usually Kashmiris, Kalash and Burusho but that also not because Pashtuns look like them but because allot of Kashmiris look like Pashtuns.
Balochistan is techniqally in Southwest Asia so I don't mention them. Most of the time you can tell apart Pashtuns from Punjabis and the kind easilly.

They look like West with some South Asian vibe on them.


I have come across quite some Pashtuns One of them looked like some sort of Amerindian admixed Iberian. Two looked like a Persian with Punjabi and a bit of Turkic admixture. Another one like a Kurd with some Punjabi admixture(basically Balochi like) and the last one looked totally Kurdish.

I have also seen an Afghan who looked like a cross between Persian and Indian, turned out he was a real afghanized Punjabi. Didn't knew that something like that exists, before.

The average Pashtun from my experience look like this.

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First two and last two are probably the most accurate ones.
The two guys with the maroon dressing are not afghan Pashtuns nor is the guy with glasses, I think if they are pashtuns then it's certainly from Pakistan. The guy with thr black jacket doesvt look pashtun IMO. The first 2 pics look pretty accurate, the last two is also good. Afghanised punjabi? That's new lol although he maybe have been an afghan Sikh or Hindu, their forefathers migrated to afghanistan, they have their own very small community.

[KingofBactria]

It would be good to see how all groups in the region compare to each other. Even in the genographic project Afghans are different from MENA's. They have a Southwest Asian component, not the Arabian one, but a different on that peaks in them and found in good amounts near neighbouring people like the Burushos, and it's close to West Asian yes but it also is different. Real West Asian is closest to North Euro and peaks in Georgians and other Kavkaz people.

I wouldn't say MENA because that includeds North africans, obviously iranics levantines, Caucasians and turks are closer to us than them. What west asian are you talking about? The Gedrosia and Caucasus? Gedrosia reaches up to 25% in iranians, less in Kurds and so on. Caucasian component in afghans so far, reaches from 22-26%. That's pretty high. Tbh, we can't generalise yet, there hasn't been any research done in western afghan, southern Afghanistan, the tajik provinces like panjsher( only One and his northern euro is 15%, caucasian 23%), Parwan, Kapisa etc. I'm guessing afghans from Herat, farah and other provinces will provide further evidence. So far, pashtuns from Kandahar( heartland) have been heavily western shifted,( early Neolithic component ranged from 45-50%).

[Truthbetold]

You obviously made this up because firstly, it should say afghan Pashtun. Secondly, this Is bullshit, since when did high castes be closer to pashtuns, burushos and makranis than indians themsekves!!! I've never seen those terms in the oracles, everyone this is fake

Of course everything is ''fake'' when it doesn't confirm your selfhating agenda. ;)
The guy is a high caste from Himachal Pradesh. Normal results for that region.

Two more Punjabi Jatts

# Population (source) Distance
1 Burusho (derived) 7.88
2 Pathan (derived) 9.61
3 Sindhi (derived) 10.45
4 Jew_India (derived) 13.92
5 Balochi (derived) 16.27
6 Pashtun (derived) 17.81
7 Brahui (derived) 21.08
8 Makrani (derived) 21.26
9 Hindu (derived) 21.53
10 Parsi (derived) 23.25
11 Tadjik (derived) 23.88
12 Roma (derived) 28.79
13 Indian (derived) 29.76
14 Turkmen (derived) 29.78
15 Uzbek (derived) 33.36


# Population (source) Distance
1 Burusho (derived) 8.81
2 Sindhi (derived) 10.5
3 Pathan (derived) 10.9
4 Jew_India (derived) 11.61
5 Balochi (derived) 16.66
6 Pashtun (derived) 18.43
7 Hindu (derived) 20.9
8 Makrani (derived) 21.34
9 Brahui (derived) 21.44
10 Parsi (derived) 22.62
11 Tadjik (derived) 24.75
12 Roma (derived) 26.7
13 Indian (derived) 28.99
14 Turkmen (derived) 29.24
15 Uzbek (derived) 32.98

[KingofBactria]

Of course everything is ''fake'' when it doesn't confirm your selfhating agenda. ;)
The guy is a high caste from Himachal Pradesh. Normal results for that region.

Two more Punjabi Jatts

# Population (source) Distance
1 Burusho (derived) 7.88
2 Pathan (derived) 9.61
3 Sindhi (derived) 10.45
4 Jew_India (derived) 13.92
5 Balochi (derived) 16.27
6 Pashtun (derived) 17.81
7 Brahui (derived) 21.08
8 Makrani (derived) 21.26
9 Hindu (derived) 21.53
10 Parsi (derived) 23.25
11 Tadjik (derived) 23.88
12 Roma (derived) 28.79
13 Indian (derived) 29.76
14 Turkmen (derived) 29.78
15 Uzbek (derived) 33.36


# Population (source) Distance
1 Burusho (derived) 8.81
2 Sindhi (derived) 10.5
3 Pathan (derived) 10.9
4 Jew_India (derived) 11.61
5 Balochi (derived) 16.66
6 Pashtun (derived) 18.43
7 Hindu (derived) 20.9
8 Makrani (derived) 21.34
9 Brahui (derived) 21.44
10 Parsi (derived) 22.62
11 Tadjik (derived) 24.75
12 Roma (derived) 26.7
13 Indian (derived) 28.99
14 Turkmen (derived) 29.24
15 Uzbek (derived) 32.98

That obviously doesvt make sense ffs. Unbelievable.

[KingofBactria]

Provide a link please.

[jatt]

Showing south AsIan looking people n claiming they don't look south Asian. Wth can anyone b more delusionl

[KingofBactria]

This is a punjabi jatts result
Afghan Pashtun? Uzbek? Turkmen? Tajik? Nope.
Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 3.37
2 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 6.13
3 Pakistani ( ) 6.56
4 Tiwari ( ) 6.99
5 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 8.86
6 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 10.6
7 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 11.03
8 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 11.68
9 Vaish ( ) 12.19
10 Kshatriya ( ) 12.28
11 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 12.54
12 Sindhi ( ) 14.14
13 Brahmins_UP ( ) 14.24
14 TN_Brahmin ( ) 14.88
15 Burusho ( ) 16.37
16 Meghawal ( ) 16.6
17 Cochin_Jew ( ) 17.03
18 GujaratiC_GIH ( ) 17.52
19 Pathan ( ) 18.15
20 Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) 20.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.6% Itelmen ( ) @ 2.94
2 90.8% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 9.2% Meghawal ( ) @ 2.94
3 88.1% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 11.9% Kshatriya ( ) @ 2.96
4 98.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.6% Koryak ( ) @ 2.97
5 98.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.6% 1_Skoglund_farmer ( ) @ 3
6 98.6% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.4% 1_Gokhem7 ( ) @ 3.01
7 93.6% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 6.4% Dharkar ( ) @ 3.01
8 94.7% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 5.3% Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB ( ) @ 3.02
9 90.3% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 9.7% Brahmins_UP ( ) @ 3.03
10 94.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 5.6% Kanjar ( ) @ 3.03
11 93.9% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 6.1% Srivastava ( ) @ 3.04
12 93.2% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 6.8% Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) @ 3.05
13 96.3% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 3.7% Gond ( ) @ 3.05
14 95.6% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 4.4% Piramalai_Kallar ( ) @ 3.05
15 81.5% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 18.5% Tiwari ( ) @ 3.06
16 96% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 4% Scheduled_Caste_UP ( ) @ 3.06
17 98.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.6% Basque_French ( ) @ 3.06
18 89.3% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 10.7% Vaish ( ) @ 3.07
19 94.5% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 5.5% Dhaka_mixed_popul ( ) @ 3.07
20 95.8% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 4.2% Lodhi ( ) @ 3.07

[KingofBactria]

On the other hand, here's a Azeri. AZERI.


http://i.imgur.com/b9GGIwL.png?1

http://i.imgur.com/5BFtaqp.png

http://i.imgur.com/jrVMesi.png?1[/QUOTE]

[KingofBactria]

Another punjabi jatt muslim. Let alone Hindu from India looooooooooooooool
Population
Amerindian 0.98%
Ancestral_Altaic 4.51%
South_Central_Asian 31.87%
Arctic 0.80%
South_Indian 38.02%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 10.96%
Archaic_Human -
East_African 0.06%
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers 1.06%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African 0.45%
Near_East 1.00%
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian 0.30%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 2.39%
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.53%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 5.04
2 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 6.74
3 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 7.47
4 Pakistani ( ) 7.63
5 Tiwari ( ) 9.87
6 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 10.28
7 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 11.73
8 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 12.31
9 Cochin_Jew ( ) 12.75
10 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 14.41
11 Vaish ( ) 14.92
12 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 15.03
13 Pathan ( ) 15.72
14 Kshatriya ( ) 16.03
15 Burusho ( ) 16.08
16 Sindhi ( ) 16.28
17 Brahmins_UP ( ) 16.96
18 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 17.18
19 TN_Brahmin ( ) 17.3
20 GujaratiC_GIH ( ) 20.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.6% Dhurwa ( ) @ 2.21
2 56% Velama ( ) + 44% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.22
3 87.9% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 12.1% Kharia ( ) @ 2.27
4 88.3% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.7% Bhunjia ( ) @ 2.27
5 88.7% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.3% Santhal ( ) @ 2.29
6 53.6% Vaish ( ) + 46.4% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.3
7 78% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 22% Dhaka_mixed_popul ( ) @ 2.37
8 76% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 24% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.37
9 80.2% Pathan ( ) + 19.8% Paniya ( ) @ 2.39
10 61.1% Velamas ( ) + 38.9% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.44
11 55.1% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 44.9% Lodhi ( ) @ 2.44
12 54.5% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 45.5% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.46
13 59.4% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 40.6% Kamsali ( ) @ 2.47
14 58.8% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 41.2% Kol ( ) @ 2.48
15 56.6% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 43.4% Dusadh ( ) @ 2.48
16 85.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 14.4% Satnami ( ) @ 2.49
17 78.3% Pathan ( ) + 21.7% Santhal ( ) @ 2.5
18 57.2% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 42.8% Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) @ 2.51
19 84.3% GujaratiB_GIH ( ) + 15.7% Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) @ 2.51
20 76.8% Pathan ( ) + 23.2% Nihali ( ) @ 2.54[/QUOTE]

[KingofBactria]

Well the truth has been told. Lol.

[asingh]

^^
Where is the Baloch component in there..?

[KingofBactria]

Another Punjabi jatt.

Population
Amerindian 0.91%
Ancestral_Altaic 4.97%
South_Central_Asian 35.12%
Arctic 1.52%
South_Indian 37.21%
Australoid 0.18%
Austronesian -
Caucasian 10.29%
Archaic_Human -
East_African 0.29%
East_Siberian 0.18%
European_Early_Farmers 0.30%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian 0.06%
Archaic_African 0.14%
Near_East 1.06%
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian 0.29%
Tungus-Altaic 0.53%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.95%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 4
2 Pakistani ( ) 4.61
3 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 6.04
4 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 7.17
5 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 7.71
6 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 8.61
7 Tiwari ( ) 10.16
8 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 11.73
9 Sindhi ( ) 13.07
10 Pathan ( ) 13.88
11 Burusho ( ) 14.49
12 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 14.61
13 Vaish ( ) 15.44
14 Cochin_Jew ( ) 15.52
15 Kshatriya ( ) 15.89
16 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 17.27
17 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 17.27
18 TN_Brahmin ( ) 17.57
19 Brahmins_UP ( ) 17.68
20 Meghawal ( ) 20.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.2% Pathan ( ) + 22.8% Chamar ( ) @ 1.72
2 75% Pathan ( ) + 25% Kol ( ) @ 1.72
3 73.3% Pathan ( ) + 26.7% Dusadh ( ) @ 1.72
4 78.2% Pathan ( ) + 21.8% Mala ( ) @ 1.72
5 75.4% Pathan ( ) + 24.6% Kamsali ( ) @ 1.73
6 67% Pathan ( ) + 33% Muslim_India ( ) @ 1.74
7 76.6% Pathan ( ) + 23.4% Sakilli ( ) @ 1.76
8 75.6% Pathan ( ) + 24.4% Bhil ( ) @ 1.77
9 78.4% Pathan ( ) + 21.6% TN_Dalit ( ) @ 1.83
10 73.1% Pathan ( ) + 26.9% Scheduled_Caste_UP ( ) @ 1.83
11 57.3% GujaratiC_GIH ( ) + 42.7% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 1.85
12 75.2% Pathan ( ) + 24.8% Vishwabrahmin ( ) @ 1.88
13 61.1% TN_Brahmin ( ) + 38.9% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 1.88
14 77.6% Pathan ( ) + 22.4% Hakkipikki ( ) @ 1.92
15 79.4% Pathan ( ) + 20.6% Madiga ( ) @ 1.93
16 72.1% Pathan ( ) + 27.9% Lodhi ( ) @ 1.96
17 65.6% Pathan ( ) + 34.4% Srivastava ( ) @ 2
18 78.4% Pathan ( ) + 21.6% Kurumba ( ) @ 2.01
19 59.8% GujaratiB_GIH ( ) + 40.2% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.02
20 73.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 26.5% Kshatriya ( ) @ 2.0

[KingofBactria]

^^
Where is the Baloch component in there..?

It's the South Central asian component bro

[KingofBactria]

So as you can see, I'm not in self hate not in denial, because clearly truthbetold is posting false tampered info, he clearly has an agenda. South Asians are a very nice people don't get ME wrong, but someone who has no say in our identity e,g an Azeri insisting we are South asians like it is an insult is absurd.

AND I posted an Azeri result. He was closer to us lol. Now are we South asians?

[KingofBactria]

Btw here's an indians result.



# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahmins_UP ( ) 3.77
2 Vaish ( ) 4.17
3 TN_Brahmin ( ) 4.27
4 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 5.34
5 GujaratiC_GIH ( ) 6
6 Kshatriya ( ) 6.32
7 Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) 7.21
8 Meghawal ( ) 7.68
9 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 8.48
10 Tiwari ( ) 8.77
11 Srivastava ( ) 9.3
12 Dharkar ( ) 9.47
13 Lambadi ( ) 9.63
14 GujaratiD_GIH ( ) 11.31
15 Muslim_India ( ) 11.4
16 Kanjar ( ) 11.81
17 Marwadi_Middle_caste ( ) 12.03
18 Velama ( ) 12.89
19 Velamas ( ) 13.25
20 Dhaka_mixed_popul ( ) 13.7


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74% Kanjar ( ) + 26% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.23
2 63.9% Pakistani ( ) + 36.1% Chenchu ( ) @ 2.24
3 54.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 45.4% Chenchu ( ) @ 2.35
4 55.1% Tharu ( ) + 44.9% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) @ 2.37
5 60.1% Dusadh ( ) + 39.9% Pathan ( ) @ 2.37
6 77.6% Piramalai_Kallar ( ) + 22.4% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.41
7 54.6% Pakistani ( ) + 45.4% Tharu ( ) @ 2.43
8 68.8% Pakistani ( ) + 31.2% Nihali ( ) @ 2.48
9 55.9% Vishwabrahmin ( ) + 44.1% Pathan ( ) @ 2.48
10 76.7% Naidu ( ) + 23.3% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.49
11 81.4% Muslim_India ( ) + 18.6% Makrani ( ) @ 2.52
12 70% Lambadi ( ) + 30% Jatt_Haryana ( ) @ 2.52
13 84.1% Kanjar ( ) + 15.9% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.52
14 66.5% Pakistani ( ) + 33.5% Kurumba ( ) @ 2.52
15 60.5% Scheduled_Caste_UP ( ) + 39.5% Pathan ( ) @ 2.53
16 56.3% Kol ( ) + 43.7% Pathan ( ) @ 2.54
17 78.1% Lambadi ( ) + 21.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.54
18 79.7% Kanjar ( ) + 20.3% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.55
19 71.7% Pakistani ( ) + 28.3% Malayan ( ) @ 2.55

[KingofBactria]

You can understand why I was so angry because when you know your right it really hurts.

[asingh]

It's the South Central asian component bro

Makes sense. I get around 24% Baloch, but am no Jatt...!

[KingofBactria]

Another South asian



Population
Amerindian 0.57%
Ancestral_Altaic 5.17%
South_Central_Asian 31.05%
Arctic 1.39%
South_Indian 37.25%
Australoid -
Austronesian 0.81%
Caucasian 9.98%
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers 0.84%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian 0.67%
Archaic_African -
Near_East -
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian 0.19%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 2.00%
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic 2.35%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.72%
[/code]

Oracle:
[code]
1 pop
1 Jatt_Muslim @ 5.168109
2 Jatt_Haryana @ 6.970958
3 Tiwari @ 7.768763
4 Jatt_Pahari @ 8.512095
5 GujaratiA_GIH @ 8.520392
6 Pakistani @ 9.104474
7 GujaratiB_GIH @ 10.682746
8 Vaish @ 12.760085
9 Kshatriya @ 12.935912
10 Punjabi_Gujjar @ 13.393120
11 Brahmin_Tamil @ 13.546372
12 Cochin_Jew @ 14.254344
13 Brahmins_UP @ 14.573712
14 Pakistani_Pushtun @ 14.621076
15 Mumbai_Jew @ 14.828198
16 Pathan @ 15.425746
17 Burusho @ 15.508182
18 TN_Brahmin @ 16.186518
19 Sindhi @ 16.870111
20 Meghawal @ 17.661121
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Piramalai_Kallar +50% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.302516


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Piramalai_Kallar +25% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim +25% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.160800


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lambadi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Vysya @ 1.899118
2 GujaratiD_GIH + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Vishwabrahmin @ 2.048897
3 Piramalai_Kallar + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Vysya @ 2.087556
4 Lambadi + Lodhi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.090164
5 Lambadi + Scheduled_Caste_UP + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.091657
6 Scheduled_Caste_UP + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Velamas @ 2.106821
7 Lambadi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan + Vysya @ 2.126652
8 Lodhi + Piramalai_Kallar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.133837
9 Piramalai_Kallar + Piramalai_Kallar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.160800
10 Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB + Pakistani + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Tiwari @ 2.166755
11 Scheduled_Caste_UP + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Velama @ 2.169428
12 Dusadh + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Velamas @ 2.172720
13 Kanjar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Vysya @ 2.175790
14 GujaratiD_GIH + Kamsali + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.180608
15 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Velamas + Vishwabrahmin @ 2.183460
16 Lambadi + Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.186034
17 GujaratiD_GIH + Kol + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.200183
18 Kamsali + Lambadi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.210428
19 Dusadh + Lambadi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.217819
20 Naidu + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Vysya @ 2.217962

[KingofBactria]

Makes sense. I get around 24% Baloch, but am no Jatt...!

Yep, the South Central asian component in South asians is what shifts them towards western eurasuan, it also makes up a hefty chunk of your genome.

[KingofBactria]

Makes sense. I get around 24% Baloch, but am no Jatt...!

Yep, the South Central asian component in South asians is what shifts them towards western eurasuan, it also makes up a hefty chunk of your genome.

[KingofBactria]

A south asian Brahmin

1 South_Indian 45.85
2 South_Central_Asian 32.09
3 Caucasian 7.11
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.94
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.74
6 South_East_Asian 2.1
7 East_Siberian 0.95
8 European_Early_Farmers 0.72
9 Archaic_African 0.53
10 Khoisan 0.53
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.51
12 Australoid 0.39
13 Arctic 0.32
14 Subsaharian 0.14
15 African_Pygmy 0.05
16 Paleo_Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tiwari ( ) 4.07
2 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 4.12
3 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 4.26
4 Vaish ( ) 4.91
5 Kshatriya ( ) 6.34
6 TN_Brahmin ( ) 6.99
7 Brahmins_UP ( ) 7.21
8 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 9.57
9 GujaratiC_GIH ( ) 9.88
10 Meghawal ( ) 10.16
11 Pakistani ( ) 10.44
12 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 11.1
13 Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) 12.57
14 Dharkar ( ) 15.25
15 Srivastava ( ) 15.33
16 Lambadi ( ) 15.42
17 GujaratiD_GIH ( ) 15.66
18 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 16.28
19 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 16.78
20 Muslim_India ( ) 17.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.3% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 18.7% Jatt_Haryana ( ) @ 2.06
2 95.3% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.7% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 2.09
3 95.1% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.9% Nogai ( ) @ 2.09
4 80.7% Pakistani ( ) + 19.3% Nihali ( ) @ 2.1
5 95.4% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.6% Lak ( ) @ 2.12
6 86.8% TN_Brahmin ( ) + 13.2% Tajik_Afghan ( ) @ 2.13
7 71.8% Velamas ( ) + 28.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.13
8 68.8% Velama ( ) + 31.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 2.14
9 95.5% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.5% Avar ( ) @ 2.15
10 51.7% Pathan ( ) + 48.3% Scheduled_Caste_UP ( ) @ 2.16
11 95.3% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.7% Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) @ 2.17
12 95.5% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.5% Lezgin ( ) @ 2.17
13 93.8% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 6.2% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.18
14 86.7% TN_Brahmin ( ) + 13.3% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 2.18
15 95.5% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.5% Tabassaran ( ) @ 2.19
16 84.2% Pakistani ( ) + 15.8% Paniya ( ) @ 2.2
17 62.1% Naidu ( ) + 37.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 2.22
18 92.4% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 7.6% Tajik_Afghan ( ) @ 2.22
19 87.5% TN_Brahmin ( ) + 12.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.23
20 55.3% Pathan ( ) + 44.7% Vishwabrahmin ( ) @ 2.24

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmin_Tamil +50% Tiwari @ 2.448662


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmin_Tamil +25% GujaratiC_GIH +25% Jatt_Haryana @ 2.190094


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB + GujaratiD_GIH + Jatt_Haryana + Punjabi_Gujjar @ 1.898012
2 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Vaish + Velama + Velama @ 2.020669
3 Brahmin_Tamil + Kanjar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Velama @ 2.075948
4 Lambadi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + TN_Brahmin + Velama @ 2.086072
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Vaish + Velama + Velamas @ 2.092729
6 Brahmin_Tamil + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + TN_Brahmin + Vysya @ 2.102603

[KingofBactria]

Satisfied truthbetold and jatt? Or more? More?

[KingofBactria]

Another South Asian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Indian 42.23
2 South_Central_Asian 29.99
3 Caucasian 8.71
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 8.26
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.54
6 Australoid 1.46
7 Arctic 1.43
8 Near_East 1.3
9 Amerindian 1.23
10 Melano_Polynesian 0.61
11 Austronesian 0.61
12 North_African 0.53
13 Archaic_Human 0.06
14 East_Siberian 0.05

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tiwari @ 4.175103
2 Hindi @ 5.992663
3 Jatt_Muslim @ 7.124459
4 GujaratiB_GIH @ 7.600231
5 Vaish @ 7.720152
6 Marathi @ 8.515666
7 Kshatriya @ 8.809934
8 Brahmin_Tamil @ 9.462701
9 Brahmins_UP @ 9.879096
10 GujaratiA_GIH @ 10.300903
11 Pakistani @ 10.582308
12 Jatt_Haryana @ 11.365905
13 TN_Brahmin @ 11.652486
14 Jatt_Pahari @ 12.442836
15 Meghawal @ 13.382218
16 GujaratiC_GIH @ 14.037066
17 Cochin_Jew @ 14.439848
18 Telugu_Kannada @ 15.172553
19 Bengali @ 15.263841
20 Mumbai_Jew @ 15.356791

[jatt]

Muslim jatts are not jatt by the way. JUst to clear misconception doesn't matter anyways jatts r only Sikhs.

[KingofBactria]

Punjabi Brahmin last one

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Indian 37.46
2 South_Central_Asian 32.46
3 Caucasian 10.45
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 8.41
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.25
6 Paleo_Siberian 2.18
7 East_Siberian 1.53

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Jatt_Muslim @ 4.583332
2 Jatt_Haryana @ 6.562605
3 GujaratiA_GIH @ 7.574845
4 Jatt_Pahari @ 7.719707
5 Tiwari @ 7.773531
6 Pakistani @ 8.466193
7 GujaratiB_GIH @ 10.471443
8 Hindi @ 10.906713
9 Punjabi_Gujjar @ 12.441291
10 Vaish @ 13.011311
11 Kshatriya @ 13.025159
12 Marathi @ 13.050092
13 Brahmin_Tamil @ 13.657811
14 Pathan @ 14.695407
15 Brahmins_UP @ 14.915991
16 Cochin_Jew @ 15.210711
17 Mumbai_Jew @ 15.333105
18 Sindhi @ 16.057619
19 Burusho @ 16.158209
20 TN_Brahmin @ 16.190369

HarappaWorld Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 36.97
2 S-Indian 34.79
3 NE-Euro 12.05
4 Caucasian 9.68
5 Siberian 3.17
6 SW-Asian 1.43
7 American 1.28
8 Beringian 0.5
9 Papuan 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 4.55
2 punjabi (harappa) 5.12
3 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 5.24
4 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 5.24
5 nepalese-a (xing) 5.72
6 up-muslim (harappa) 5.84
7 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 5.95
8 up-brahmin (harappa) 6.36
9 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 6.66
10 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.83
11 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 7.36
12 kashmiri (harappa) 7.61
13 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 7.7
14 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 8.69
15 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.83
16 punjabi-arain (xing) 9.26
17 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 9.62
18 sindhi (harappa) 9.8
19 haryana-jatt (harappa) 9.91
20 bihari-muslim (harappa) 10.53

[KingofBactria]

Muslim jatts are not jatt by the way. JUst to clear misconception doesn't matter anyways jatts r only Sikhs.

Well it said muslim. Even still, Muslims shoukd be closer to us but they're not let alone Sikhs and Hindus from India. Truthbetold posted false info, accept that.

[jatt]

Satisfied truthbetold and jatt? Or more? More?
Dude
First Of all we Sikh jatts are taller than pAshtoons we have a bit better looking features usually we grow fat when we old our skin color is probably same as u. I am sitting here at Tim Hortons sipping coffee and looking at people around me. God bless almost all the good looking ones are Sikh jatts in these plethora of people from world. Now you are making it jatt verses pashtoons where did I say u look like us u probably wanna be like us. I said pashtoons look similar to Kashmiris n there is no point denying it. U r desperate trying to prove u are different from Kashmiris posting shit about Muslim jatts result. N hey we don't care about Ajeri pajeris either U guys R south Asians that's how it is. No matter what u can't change geography

[KingofBactria]

Dude
First Of all we Sikh jatts are taller than pAshtoons we have a bit better looking features usually we grow fat when we old our skin color is probably same as u. I am sitting here at Tim Hortons sipping coffee and looking at people around me. God bless almost all the good looking ones are Sikh jatts in these plethora of people from world. Now you are making it jatt verses pashtoons where did I say u look like us u probably wanna be like us. I said pashtoons look similar to Kashmiris n there is no point denying it. U r desperate trying to prove u are different from Kashmiris posting shit about Muslim jatts result. N hey we don't care about Ajeri pajeris either U guys R south Asians that's how it is. No matter what u can't change geography

There is some overlap between Kashmiris and pashtuns, usually it's always Kashmiris lookimg like pashtuns. I never compared us and you, you did! Truthbetold is lumping us with you, when clearly we are different. That's great that you think your pople are good looking, nice.

[Kamal900]

That's a pretty stupid comment tbh. Who said Europeans? No one said middle easterners either. If you look at the pca plot which I posted above, middle easterners are pretty diverse as well. The bedoiuns, gulf arabs form their own ckuster, levantines cluster with iranians but a pull towards the bedoiun cluster. Do not look at the Pathan plot because it's not representstive of afghans, just like Palestinian gazas are not representative of West Bank Palestinians. The afghans would cluster above the makrani plot with a pull towards Iran and Caucasus, so basically we will form a distinct ckuster, neither west asian nor northwest South. Asia. However, we will be closer to Middle easterners and Caucasians than nearly all South asians.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TPZ9Kigo5ZI/AAAAAAAAC90/y_TOcj02A4w/s1600/1_2.png
Btw my mistake, I meant Yemenese not bedoiun. Although the levantines are closer to iranians Kurds than bedoiuns

I suppose so. Anyway, i agree with the Kurdish poster here that many Pashtuns do look more closer to Iranians and etc with minor South Asian admixture. Afghanistan had never been part of india, and its not a wonder why they do like to be associated with Indians whatsoever, and really i dont blame them. Afghans wanted to see themselves as a unique people that are different from other peoples, and their heritage and history tells that a lot. Indians are fucking arrogant cunts while the Pakis and Bengalis are humble and nice people. Like i said, i know there are some pashtuns who can pass in the Levant, and yes, i did mistaken some real life afghans for levantines in college.

[KingofBactria]

I suppose so. Anyway, i agree with the Kurdish poster here that many Pashtuns do look more closer to Iranians and etc with minor South Asian admixture. Afghanistan had never been part of india, and its not a wonder why they do like to be associated with Indians whatsoever, and really i dont blame them. Afghans wanted to see themselves as a unique people that are different from other peoples, and their heritage and history tells that a lot. Indians are fucking arrogant cunts while the Pakis and Bengalis are humble and nice people. Like i said, i know there are some pashtuns who can pass in the Levant, and yes, i did mistaken some real life afghans for levantines in college.

Thank you. Someone who actually understands.

[asingh]

Indians are fucking arrogant cunts

Woooah...bro...! What happened...?

[Truthbetold]

On the other hand, here's a Azeri. AZERI.


http://i.imgur.com/b9GGIwL.png?1

http://i.imgur.com/5BFtaqp.png

http://i.imgur.com/jrVMesi.png?1[/QUOTE]


HAHA
That's not an Azeri you fool

That's the user ''Jesus'' from Anthroscape. He's here on Theapricity as well. I have seen his results and I can even ask him to comment here if you want
He's a Kuwaiti of mixed south Iranian/Bedouin/Turkic origin
Busteddddd

You can continue all day 'n night if you want with posting South Asians of unknown or frauded origin to prove your selfhating point.

Pashtuns CLUSTER closely with other northwest south Asians
I posted multiple scientific papers
Plots
PCA's
Whereas you keep hammering on your hilarious butthurt inferiority complexion that Pashtuns dont cluster with them.

Have some shame.

[Kamal900]

Woooah...bro...! What happened...?

You need to tell that Jatt guy to change his fucking arrogant attitude in looking down on other peoples he despises just to make himself and his race look cool and etc. He is no different from that indian guy from britain, Butlerking, who keeps dissing on Gypsies and East-Asians. I dont mean to lump all Indians together, and im sorry if i sounded harsh.

[Truthbetold]

2013 analysis again:

http://i62.tinypic.com/e0qqtx.png

Analysis from the paper the graph is from:


(...) Pashtun are close to the Indo-Aryan cluster, and Hazara are, as expected, near to the Altaic cluster.

In Dynamo's/PrinceofBactria's PAINS to disassociate the Pashtun ethnic group from the other (Northwestern) South Asians, such as the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, etc, user Dynamo (and now on his sock KingofBactria) has resorted to the usage of frauding, and still disregarding obvious complete scientific papers and facts posted. Dynamo also thinks that by posting individually grabbed results without any source given he can refute any of the complete sources/papers/PCA's and plots I have given.

He has an obvious superiorty complexion towards other geneticallly Northwestern South Asian peoples such as the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, Himachali's, etc. They hate the fact that Pashtuns cluster with these people and are in grief due to this. He doesn't agree with the hard scientific facts and papers that are posted because they would rather see themselves cluster firmly with Central Asians, West Asians, you name it, for whatever dumb reason. This is clearly seen by reading his comments both on his banned account, and on this new sock account he made.

He knows he can't contribute anything remotely useful. But the inferioty inside him still annoys him. I never thought being South Asian geneticaly would be such an extreme insult towards some people.

User ''Dynamo/PrinceofBactria'' showed before how incredibly hard he finds it and how extremely butthurt he is by PM'ing me this comment on his banned account:


Dynamo - Yesterday 02:36 PM View Conversation Report
Why are you hiding you motherfucker Pussy bumberclart, your probably some butthurt brown paki prongo or indian. Fucking pussyhole don't ever make useless threads you butthurt monkey or I'll get you banned. Cunt.

Obvious inferiority complexion detected.

The majority of Pashtuns live in Pakistan. 70% of the total Pashtun population. As shown in EVERY paper, graph, and PCA I posted the Pakistani Pashtuns CLEARLY cluster with other Northwestern South Asian and clear cut fall in the South Asian cluster. The Afghan Pashtuns, as seen in the graph above are on the edge of the South Asian/Central Asian cluster. They are extremely close to the South Asian cluster. Muuuuuch closer to the Middle East/Caucasus cluster as eveyone can see. The paper says as well itself in words that they are close to Indo-Aryan populations. It all makes sense considering the geography and history of the Pashtun people.

The plots, scientific papers, and graphs on the first page on this thread confirm this again as well, with the Pakistani Pashtuns first and foremost being closest to other Northwest South Asian populations, including the Sindhi's. Pashtuns are a South Asian population genetically, clustering closely with Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, High Caste Himachali's, Baloch, etc. I showed it here with the results, papers, plots, and PCA's posted. No individual result, no trolling, no frauding can change this.

The Pashtuns are first and foremost Northwestern South Asian genetically as is shown in this thread. Otherwise, Pakistani Pashtuns are not Pashtuns, or otherwise the Kashmiris, Punjabi Jatts, Sindhi's, high caste Himachali's (aka the closest genetic brethren to the Pashtuns), etc are not actually South Asians ;) I know you can't refute this. Pashtuns are not remotely close to Middle Eastern/West Asian/Caucasus peoples. By far. Give up.
As if there's anything bad about clustering with other (Northwestern) South Asians as a population.[/QUOTE]

Never seen a person being so insulted by genetic results of his/her ethnic group. Damn the inferiority complexion!

[Arhat]

I suppose so. Anyway, i agree with the Kurdish poster here that many Pashtuns do look more closer to Iranians and etc with minor South Asian admixture. Afghanistan had never been part of india, and its not a wonder why they do like to be associated with Indians whatsoever, and really i dont blame them. Afghans wanted to see themselves as a unique people that are different from other peoples, and their heritage and history tells that a lot. Indians are fucking arrogant cunts while the Pakis and Bengalis are humble and nice people. Like i said, i know there are some pashtuns who can pass in the Levant, and yes, i did mistaken some real life afghans for levantines in college.

most indians i have met were quite nice people and have much respect for pashtuns but the internet is full of indian trolls who think that south asians are a superior race and that indians created every civilization in this world.They want to think that pashtuns are also indians because it is easier for them to accept that they were enslaved and raided by other south asians than to accept that this was done by non-south asians,which pashtuns are actually.Afghanistan and pashtuns had always their distinct culture,language and even in the pre-islamic period they had their own distinct religions,which was not hinduism like some deluded indians think, but was influenced by some indian religions in the later periods

[asingh]

You need to tell that Jatt guy to change his fucking arrogant attitude in looking down on other peoples he despises just to make himself and his race look cool and etc. He is no different from that indian guy from britain, Butlerking, who keeps dissing on Gypsies and East-Asians. I dont mean to lump all Indians together, and im sorry if i sounded harsh.

Even we leave Jatts here, alone in India.

[Truthbetold]

Afghanistan and especially Pashtuns distinct from the rest of South Asia, yeahhhhhhh right.

- Indus Valley Civilisation
- Kabul Shahis
- Mughal Empire
- Delhi Sultanate
- Sur Empire
- Kushan Empire
- Gandhara
- Sikh Empire
- Pala Empire

Not to mention Afghanistans extremely rich Hindu and Buddhist pre-Islamic past.

Pashtuns are inseparably linked with other South Asians. Not only genetically they're similar to other Northwest South Asians such as the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, and Sindhi's, also historically they're inseparably tied to them. Hilarious. (also Central Asia of course)

[asingh]

most indians i have met were quite nice people and have much respect for pashtuns but the internet is full of indian trolls who think that south asians are a superior race and that indians created every civilization in this world.They want to think that pashtuns are also indians because it is easier for them to accept that they were enslaved and raided by other south asians than to accept that this was done by non-south asians,which pashtuns are actually.Afghanistan and pashtuns had always their distinct culture,language and even in the pre-islamic period they had their own distinct religions,which was not hinduism like some deluded indians think, but was influenced by some indian religions in the later periods

True, but there is fragments of proof out there, that pre-Islam some parts of Afghanistan practiced the archaic and Vedic version of Hinduism. But nothing to hinge-pin that: they are South Asians, or remnants of South Asia.

[Arhat]

True, but there is fragments of proof out there, that pre-Islam some parts of Afghanistan practiced the archaic and Vedic version of Hinduism. But nothing to hinge-pin that: they are South Asians, or remnants of South Asia.

the indo-aryans migrated via the mountain passes of afghanistan into the indian subcontinent 3500-4000 years ago but some stayed in afghanistan and were later iranized by the iranic people who entered afghanistan a bit later or they survived in remote areas as modern dardic people and could preserve a religion similar to vedism for a long time (kalash,pashayi,). Since more than nearly 3000 years afghanistan is dominated by eastern iranic people who had their own distinct polytheistic religions which shared some similarities with zoroastranism in the west and hinduism in the east but were still quite distinct from both. Pashtuns are descendants of iranic people like saka, kamboja, kushan, hepthalites ,bactrians and Arachosians who mixed with dardic people in some cases.Already in the very old iranic avesta most areas were pashtuns live today are mentioned as land of iranic people.The kings of bactria were mostly worshippers of Mithras,Verethagna,Ahura Mazda,Nana,Atar,Vata and many other iranic gods (fire,sun,..) .In later periods some indian gods were also adopted but their cult was mixed with iranic beliefs very quickly

[jatt]

Afghanistan and especially Pashtuns distinct from the rest of South Asia, yeahhhhhhh right.

- Indus Valley Civilisation
- Kabul Shahis
- Mughal Empire
- Delhi Sultanate
- Sur Empire
- Kushan Empire
- Gandhara
- Sikh Empire
- Pala Empire

Not to mention Afghanistans extremely rich Hindu and Buddhist pre-Islamic past.

Pashtuns are inseparably linked with other South Asians. Not only genetically they're similar to other Northwest South Asians such as the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, and Sindhi's, also historically they're inseparably tied to them. Hilarious. (also Central Asia of course) Thre was no Afghanistan before a pashtoon born in multan Punjab United the tribes to form modern day affhanistan

[Arhat]

Thre was no Afghanistan before a pashtoon born in multan Punjab United the tribes to form modern day affhanistan

dont troll ,afghans are much older than their modern state.Or do you think indians didnt existed before 1947???

[asingh]

the indo-aryans migrated via the mountain passes of afghanistan into the indian subcontinent 3500-4000 years ago but some stayed in afghanistan and were later iranized by the iranic people who entered afghanistan a bit later or they survived in remote areas as modern dardic people and could preserve a religion similar to vedism for a long time (kalash,pashayi,). Since more than nearly 3000 years afghanistan is dominated by eastern iranic people who had their own distinct polytheistic religions which shared some similarities with zoroastranism in the west and hinduism in the east but were still quite distinct from both. Pashtuns are descendants of iranic people like saka, kamboja, kushan, hepthalites ,bactrians and Arachosians who mixed with dardic people in some cases.Already in the very old iranic avesta most areas were pashtuns live today are mentioned as land of iranic people.The kings of bactria were mostly worshippers of Mithras,Verethagna,Ahura Mazda,Nana,Atar,Vata and many other iranic gods (fire,sun,..) .In later periods some indian gods were also adopted but their cult was mixed with iranic beliefs very quickly

That is if the AIT occurred. Why would you tell me all this. Can you also use paragraphs. It is difficult to read such large chunks.

[jatt]

You need to tell that Jatt guy to change his fucking arrogant attitude in looking down on other peoples he despises just to make himself and his race look cool and etc. He is no different from that indian guy from britain, Butlerking, who keeps dissing on Gypsies and East-Asians. I dont mean to lump all Indians together, and im sorry if i sounded harsh.
Where did I despised anyone that butler king guy is not indian how r u sure he isn't pakistani or White

[asingh]

Where did I despised anyone that butler king guy is not indian how r u sure he isn't pakistani or White

BK is a British, who is not educated, thereon his lack of English typing/comprehension and a slew of grammatical errors in the majority of his posts.

[Truthbetold]

before a pashtoon born in multan Punjab United the tribes to form modern day affhanistan

Exactly. They're inseparably linked to the rest of South Asia yet some try to deny it.

I'm not saying the nation of Afghanistan = South Asia, which it is not. (it is South-Central Asian or Central Asian). But Pashtun as in the ethnicity definetely are South Asians. They're part of it's diversity. Most of them apart from being genetically closest to ethnicities like your people (Punjabi Jatts) also live for the vast majority (70%) in Pakistan which is hardcore South Asia, and are native to the region they live in.

I say it again, if Pashtuns are not South Asians (genetically) as in part of the South Asian cline, then so are not the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, High Caste NW Indians, Sindhi's, etc with whom they cluster extremely close. And yeah, that would be a hilarious statement.

Tajiks are on the other side of the cline and they are Central Asians with some having more of a pull towards South Asia, some even more deeper into Central Asia, and some more into West Asia depending on the individual.

[jatt]

Exactly. They're inseparably linked to the rest of South Asia yet some try to deny it.

I'm not saying the nation of Afghanistan = South Asia, which it is not. (it is South-Central Asian or Central Asian). But Pashtun as in the ethnicity definetely are South Asians. They're part of it's diversity. Most of them apart from being genetically closest to ethnicities like your people (Punjabi Jatts) also live for the vast majority (70%) in Pakistan which is hardcore South Asia, and are native to the region they live in.

I say it again, if Pashtuns are not South Asians (genetically) as in part of the South Asian cline, then so are not the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, High Caste NW Indians, Sindhi's, etc with whom they cluster extremely close. And yeah, that would be a hilarious statement.

Tajiks are on the other side of the cline and they are Central Asians with some having more of a pull towards South Asia, some even more deeper into Central Asia, and some more into West Asia depending on the individual. 70 percent Liv in Pakistan yet they deny pakistani pashtoons as same as afghan pashtoons lol. Only 50 percent of afghans are pashtons and live in south North is dominated by Uzbeks n Tajiks

[Arachosia]

Exactly. They're inseparably linked to the rest of South Asia yet some try to deny it.

I'm not saying the nation of Afghanistan = South Asia, which it is not. (it is South-Central Asian or Central Asian). But Pashtun as in the ethnicity definetely are South Asians. They're part of it's diversity. Most of them apart from being genetically closest to ethnicities like your people (Punjabi Jatts) also live for the vast majority (70%) in Pakistan which is hardcore South Asia, and are native to the region they live in.

I say it again, if Pashtuns are not South Asians (genetically) as in part of the South Asian cline, then so are not the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, High Caste NW Indians, Sindhi's, etc with whom they cluster extremely close. And yeah, that would be a hilarious statement.

Tajiks are on the other side of the cline and they are Central Asians with some having more of a pull towards South Asia, some even more deeper into Central Asia, and some more into West Asia depending on the individual.

You really are unbelievable. You waste of space, you provide false info which you completey passed it over even when I said provide a link. You didn't. I swear at to god those were South Asians from anthrogenica, the user Jesus is also a member over there. Yiu just can't admit FFs. PASHTUNS are not SOUTH ASIAN!!!!!! I posted countless generic results of afghans and compared it to South Asians, we are different!!!!!! How can you say if Pashtuns are not South Asian then punjabis Kashmiris aren't as we'll. are you fucking demented? The South Asian component in those groups are very high , for afghan Pashtuns it's low. LOW!!!!

[Arhat]

That is if the AIT occurred. Why would you tell me all this. Can you also use paragraphs. It is difficult to read such large chunks.

AIT occured only indians can not accept this fact.Outside of india nobody is today discussing any out of india theory.Sorry but i am just very annoyed by this out of india bullshit about indo-iranian origin in south asia or even more stupid about indoeuropean origin in india

[jatt]

Well, my people arent good for nothing whatsoever, and no, i don't identify or associate myself to any northern MEs whatsoever. The only people i do strongly associate myself with are to NAs, Syrians, Iraqis, Jordanians, and with other Arabians. Many Turks and Persians from what i have seen have a sense of OWD thinking that bashing other darker races would make white people accept them. Like i said, im proud of who i am, and im not ashamed of my culture or heritage, and if Indians hate us that much then why the fuck are they living here in the first place? I bEg ur pardon for being rude. U know why people have not so high opinion abt some middle easterners
Cause we c them wasting resources And oh have all the oil of the world yet a tiny nation likeisrael is dominating u Then you treat minorities in worst possible way with no religious freedom and blasphemy laws If u change someday and be more tech savvy and be democratic n secular world will c u as modern model states

[Arachosia]

Exactly. They're inseparably linked to the rest of South Asia yet some try to deny it.

I'm not saying the nation of Afghanistan = South Asia, which it is not. (it is South-Central Asian or Central Asian). But Pashtun as in the ethnicity definetely are South Asians. They're part of it's diversity. Most of them apart from being genetically closest to ethnicities like your people (Punjabi Jatts) also live for the vast majority (70%) in Pakistan which is hardcore South Asia, and are native to the region they live in.

I say it again, if Pashtuns are not South Asians (genetically) as in part of the South Asian cline, then so are not the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, High Caste NW Indians, Sindhi's, etc with whom they cluster extremely close. And yeah, that would be a hilarious statement.

Tajiks are on the other side of the cline and they are Central Asians with some having more of a pull towards South Asia, some even more deeper into Central Asia, and some more into West Asia depending on the individual.

I showed you countless of oracles and dodecad a of South ashans, jatts Brahmins etc not one afghan pashtun came up. I showed you quotes, pca plots, k=7 eurogenes run, harappa results, eurogenes, and do much more. We are clearly distinct from South Asians. Yiur just one ignorant fucker who keeps on showing thr SAME MOTHERFUCKING PCA PLOT!!! Why are you so obsessed. I provided you all these information, yet you read all that, but go back to what you were saying. We are not South asian. Why the fuck aren't you banned? You are clearly a troll, the moderators are unbelievable, this guy Is spreading false info. When I get banned, they domt even give me a reason. The first time as well. I'm not doung anytbung bad here, I'm just defending my people from trolls like this piece of shit.

[Arhat]

Exactly. They're inseparably linked to the rest of South Asia yet some try to deny it.

I'm not saying the nation of Afghanistan = South Asia, which it is not. (it is South-Central Asian or Central Asian). But Pashtun as in the ethnicity definetely are South Asians. They're part of it's diversity. Most of them apart from being genetically closest to ethnicities like your people (Punjabi Jatts) also live for the vast majority (70%) in Pakistan which is hardcore South Asia, and are native to the region they live in.

I say it again, if Pashtuns are not South Asians (genetically) as in part of the South Asian cline, then so are not the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, High Caste NW Indians, Sindhi's, etc with whom they cluster extremely close. And yeah, that would be a hilarious statement.

Tajiks are on the other side of the cline and they are Central Asians with some having more of a pull towards South Asia, some even more deeper into Central Asia, and some more into West Asia depending on the individual.

seriously you are a troll and i dont understand why they banned dynamo but let such an troll like you posting such bullshit.Sorry that you could not get a pashtun girl and that they will send you back to azerbaijan but this is no reason to post such bullshit here again and again

[Demhat]

To the Pashtun users here, don't let yourself be provoked. They want you just to get banned. I find it also quite weird that a long term User like Dynamo gets banned despite the fact that the opposite side was also rude towards him and even admitted the use of trolling. Both things are against the rules of the Forum.

[Arachosia]

HAHA
That's not an Azeri you fool

That's the user ''Jesus'' from Anthroscape. He's here on Theapricity as well. I have seen his results and I can even ask him to comment here if you want
He's a Kuwaiti of mixed south Iranian/Bedouin/Turkic origin
Busteddddd

You can continue all day 'n night if you want with posting South Asians of unknown or frauded origin to prove your selfhating point.

Pashtuns CLUSTER closely with other northwest south Asians
I posted multiple scientific papers
Plots
PCA's
Whereas you keep hammering on your hilarious butthurt inferiority complexion that Pashtuns dont cluster with them.

Have some shame.[/QUOTE]

That must've Been my mistake, but he's of Azeri and iranian orgins, don't know about Turkic. What about those FAKE oracles you showed me? Your just a pathetic hypocrite. You havebt talked about one single result I posted, not one, why? Because you know it disproves your pathetic theory. You pathetic waste of human breath. All those results imported are valdi, those were punjsbi jatts etc not one afghan came up. Did you see the dodecad of my afghan friend? Haha ofcourse you did.

[Arachosia]

To the Pashtun users here, don't let yourself be provoked. They want you just to get banned. I find it also quite weird that a long term User like Dynamo gets banned despite the fact that the opposite side was also rude towards him and even admitted the use of trolling. Both things are against the rules of the Forum.

They gave me warning saying don't insult, I returned the message to LongBowmsn saying oksy I eill, but can you also warn jatt please. He banned me 5 mins later. Bro you don't understand how my blood boils when I'm reading and I can't do nothing about IT. This bastard is spreading false info and manipulating data to support what he's sayimg.

[Demhat]

They gave me warning saying don't insult, I returned the message to LongBowmsn saying oksy I eill, but can you also warn jatt please. He banned me 5 mins later. Bro you don't understand how my blood boils when I'm reading and I can't do nothing about IT. This bastard is spreading false info and manipulating data to support what he's sayimg.

I know. He shows obvious trollish charecteristics. Heck he even admitted the use of trolling. Which in it self is a violation of rules.

Why not simply report the post in which he admited the use of trolling to Loki or some other Administrative person.

[Arachosia]

How can you pashtuns are South Asian when we are extremely close to our central asuan neighbours than any South asuan? Pamiris and yaghnobis are thr pure caucasoid types of central Asia, yet we are extremely close to them. You are a troll face it. Why hasn't he been banned? Yet I've been banned for no good reason? Unvekyevsble. I've also been a long term member here, more than a year, yet this troll Is getting away with it.

[Arachosia]

I know. He shows obvious trollish charecteristics. Heck he even admitted the use of trolling. Which in it self is a violation of rules.

Why not simply report the post in which he admited the use of trolling to Loki or some other Administrative person.

He's worse than a troll bro. He's posting thr same graphs again and again. We all told him those PCA plots and admixture proprtiond are not representitive of afghsn pashtuns, the psthans in Pakistan in the HGDP sample were obviously heavily South Asian admixed pakistani psthans. To prove the point, i showed him thr eurogenes of the afghan Pashtuns of ghilzai tribe in northern afghsnistan( metspalu study). I even calculated IT showing the south asuan influence. It was very low. I also showed my friends dodecad, harappa and eurogenes as well as 3 other durrani pashtuns from southern Afghanistan. I to,d him where we woukd cluster, I also showed him plenty of South ashans oracle resukts. I posted countless of vid, pics but it gpes through one of his other and out the other.

[jatt]

Anyone who doesn't agree with you view point ist troll. This is public forum to share views. You can deny n post ur version. There is no Compulsion to reply me u can just ignore. And y do u wanna me get banned So that u can continue to spread ur propaganda

[Arachosia]

I know. He shows obvious trollish charecteristics. Heck he even admitted the use of trolling. Which in it self is a violation of rules.

Why not simply report the post in which he admited the use of trolling to Loki or some other Administrative person.

Which post ? Can you show me please

[Demhat]

I concur with most of your post. Except for the fact that you're mistaking the position of Afghanistan (on the crossroads of West, Central, and South Asia), with the Pashtun ethnic group, the vast majority of them living in Pakistan, which is South Asia, and the lesser amount in Afghanistan as the predominant ethnic group there.


Well actually that doesn't change much. Pakistani Pashtuns are living in North Pakistan which is again bordering to Afghanistan and Tajikistan. But than I am not talking in country but geographic sense. All the territory where Pashtuns live is on the crossroad of Central, South and West Asia.

See here. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Pashtun_Language_Location_Map.svg/2000px-Pashtun_Language_Location_Map.svg.png


It is as close to other parts of Pakistan as it is to other parts of Afghanistan. It is as far away from India as it is from Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun_people

Pashtuns are South Asians genetically as everyone has seen and everyone agrees with. Even historically they're tied even more to South Asia (modern day Pakistan, and North India) than Central Asia proper. Geographically the largest amount of them also live in South Asia (Pakistan). I don't think anyone can refute this.
They're so similar to Kashmiris, who are also South Asians. If Pashtuns are not South Asians, then so are not Punjabi Jatts, Burusho, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, Himachali High Castes, etc. lol.

Pashtuns appear as closer to South Asians genetically because on your maps there are no Central Asian refference populations such as Turkmens, Tajiks, Yaghnobi or Pamiri ;)
Also when I look at the genetic maps the only South Asian populations remarkeble close to them are Burusho and Kalash.



http://aminus3.s3.amazonaws.com/image/g0005/u00004518/i00299720/e850a7a776b550f270334930488a6a54_large.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5292/5561497850_c1f42f470a_z.jpg

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Pashtun+Tribesmen+Children+Living+Outskirts+m-Toroy29DFl.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5069/5562017736_d757e295c6.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-bKlvYrmrjU/maxresdefault.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10468648_10154547795185131_7842129348944735159_n.j pg?oh=857a39160a694a9ca2cc93fa7c1068bd&oe=550ED0DA&__gda__=1430346149_430a929d4dc413dab5b14b3e1161fc6 1

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2014-03/31/133227763_13962627048641n.jpg

http://www.geourdu.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Pashtun.jpg

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-IP858_TALFEA_G_20100525184404.jpg

http://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2014/03/27/8e5cfedc-4ae9-432b-a11f-0e46caf9261c/8e5cfedc-4ae9-432b-a11f-0e46caf9261c_16x9_600x338.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5227/5560632715_f2142a8272.jpg

http://www.balochonline.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1396406832-pakistan-protest-against-unrest-and-target-killings-in-balochistan_4357979.jpg

They have one of the best looking features amongst all South Asians imho.

Skin color doesn't equalize race. I see mostly tanned/darker skinned eastern type of Iranids. They absolutely do not look like your mainstream North Indid South Asians. Look I am not saying they look West Asian but their major racial component seems to be Iranid which is prevelant more in West and Central Asia. They do have some South Asian like vibe/features. But it's most of the time just some influence instead of a dominant component.

[arian]

Not just Pashtuns actually most of the Muslim meta-ethnicities there. Claiming all sorts of lineage from Arabic to Persian.

That ain't even the half of it!



https://selfuni.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/sayyid.png

[Demhat]

Compare those to iranian, not the same but if you see, it clearly backs up the point( quote)

Iranian ANE: 18.95% ASE: 6.12% WHG-UHG: 9.32% Eastern eurasian 0.76% ENF:63.29%


That must be a small outlier I think, because average Persian scores 4% ASI and 6% WHG-UHG.

[Truthbetold]

Also when I look at the genetic maps the only South Asian populations remarkeble close to them are Balochis/Burusho and Kalash.
You forget Sindhi's and Kashmiris, apart from some the other Northwest South Asians.




Skin color doesn't equalize race. I see a bunch of tanned/darker skinned Iranids. They absolutely do not look like your mainstream North Indid South Asians. They do have some South Asian like vibe/features. But it's most of the time just some influence instead of a dominant component.

Have you ever compared Kashmiris, Punjabi Jatts, and Sindhi's to them? I posted some phenotypical comparisons a few threads back. Especially Kashmiris look extremely similar. People try to present it now and then as if Pashtuns are some distinct race while all their close genetic and geographic cousins are all Indo-Melanids/Nord Indids/Weddids. And only someone with an agenda would deny that Kashmiris, Jatts, Pashtuns and Sindhi's look and are genetically any significantly different from each other. The papers, the plots, the PCA's, I posted and the crowd pics of the various groups all confirm this.
MLD-22 of the Punjabi Jatts I posted also show that usually Pashtuns are the first or the second closest ethnicity to them.

It's just the fact that they speak an Eastern Iranic language, look a tiny bit different on average, and have a different culture from other Northwest South Asians (though with Kashmiris theres much similiarty) that some people vehemently try to refute the obvious.


That must be a small outlier I think

The guy has made 2 socks today in order to deny the obvious links the Pashtuns have with other Northwest South Asians. That means he's extremely bothered by this and sees the ethnicity as some kind of superior compared to other northwest south asians and hates every links with them they have. Just because they speak an eastern iranic language and have a different culture. Come on. On top of that he has made extreme ad hominem insults apart from the quote I posted here he sent me. He has also posted, while on those socks, tons of unsourced individual examples of god knows who whom he claims are ''south asian high castes'', and I even revealed this sneakyness with one result whom he claimed to be ''Azeri'', though actually was a Kuwaiti of mixed South Iranian/Turkic/Bedouin origins.

He's extremely bothered that Pashtuns are apart from being close to Tajiks, Pamiris etc, are also very close genetically to Northwest South Asians such as Kashmiris, Sindhi's, Burusho, Punjabi Jatts, etc. That's all.

[wvwvw]

Well actually that doesn't change much. Pakistani Afghans are living in North Afghanistan which is again bordering to Afghanistan and Tajikistan. But than I am not talking in country but geographic sense. All the territory where Pashtuns live is on the crossroad of Central, South and West Asia.

See here. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Pashtun_Language_Location_Map.svg/2000px-Pashtun_Language_Location_Map.svg.png


That is on the lattitude of Central Iran, just to the East. It is as close to other parts of Pakistan as it is to other parts of Afghanistan. It is as far away from India as it is from Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.



Pashtuns appear as closer to South Asians genetically because on your maps there are no Central Asian refference populations such as Turkmens, Tajiks, Yaghnobi or Pamiri ;)
Also when I look at the genetic maps the only South Asian populations remarkeble close to them are Balochis/Burusho and Kalash.



Skin color doesn't equalize race. I see a bunch of tanned/darker skinned Iranids. They absolutely do not look like your mainstream North Indid South Asians. Look I am not saying they look West Asian but their major racial component seems to be Iranid which is prevelant more in West and Central Asia. They do have some South Asian like vibe/features. But it's most of the time just some influence instead of a dominant component.
The Kalash tribes to what people are mostly related? Borushos, Pashtuns? :confused:

[Arhat]

The Kalash tribes to what people are mostly related? Borushos, Pashtuns? :confused:

nuristani probably and then to burusho and pashtuns. Kalash speak an dardic language which belong to the indo-aryan branch of indo-iranian languages but their language is much less dravidized than other indo-aryan languages like hindi.

They also better preserved the original look of real indo-aryans before they mixed with dravidians in south asia

[jatt]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/14/article-2559554-1B7BAE7800000578-714_964x642.jpg Kashmiri crowd pashtoons can easily blend in them unless wearing their traditional dress

[jatt]

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/corpuncom/archive/19531b.jpg Iranians crowd look different Ist it

[Dynamo2.0]

You forget Sindhi's and Kashmiris, apart from some the other Northwest South Asians.




Have you ever compared Kashmiris, Punjabi Jatts, and Sindhi's to them? I posted some phenotypical comparisons a few threads back. Especially Kashmiris look extremely similar. People try to present it now and then as if Pashtuns are some distinct race while all their close genetic and geographic cousins are all Indo-Melanids/Nord Indids/Weddids. And only someone with an agenda would deny that Kashmiris, Jatts, Pashtuns and Sindhi's look and are genetically any significantly different from each other. The papers, the plots, the PCA's, I posted and the crowd pics of the various groups all confirm this.
MLD-22 of the Punjabi Jatts I posted also show that usually Pashtuns are the first or the second closest ethnicity to them.

It's just the fact that they speak an Eastern Iranic language, look a tiny bit different on average, and have a different culture from other Northwest South Asians (though with Kashmiris theres much similiarty) that some people vehemently try to refute the obvious.



The guy has made 2 socks today in order to deny the obvious links the Pashtuns have with other Northwest South Asians. That means he's extremely bothered by this and sees the ethnicity as some kind of superior compared to other northwest south asians and hates every links with them they have. Just because they speak an eastern iranic language and have a different culture. Come on. On top of that he has made extreme ad hominem insults apart from the quote I posted here he sent me. He has also posted, while on those socks, tons of unsourced individual examples of god knows who whom he claims are ''south asian high castes'', and I even revealed this sneakyness with one result whom he claimed to be ''Azeri'', though actually was a Kuwaiti of mixed South Iranian/Turkic/Bedouin origins.

He's extremely bothered that Pashtuns are apart from being close to Tajiks, Pamiris etc, are also very close genetically to Northwest South Asians such as Kashmiris, Sindhi's, Burusho, Punjabi Jatts, etc. That's all.

Just wTch these videos and tell me if we look like South asians okay.



http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xUwYNwzrgQk
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RXsEAjwjO3c
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gsJo9SvPH2I
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PV-zwoEpzsQ
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hGgBrrrqjk0
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wn4VKgYn7g8

[Dynamo2.0]

You forget Sindhi's and Kashmiris, apart from some the other Northwest South Asians.




Have you ever compared Kashmiris, Punjabi Jatts, and Sindhi's to them? I posted some phenotypical comparisons a few threads back. Especially Kashmiris look extremely similar. People try to present it now and then as if Pashtuns are some distinct race while all their close genetic and geographic cousins are all Indo-Melanids/Nord Indids/Weddids. And only someone with an agenda would deny that Kashmiris, Jatts, Pashtuns and Sindhi's look and are genetically any significantly different from each other. The papers, the plots, the PCA's, I posted and the crowd pics of the various groups all confirm this.
MLD-22 of the Punjabi Jatts I posted also show that usually Pashtuns are the first or the second closest ethnicity to them.

It's just the fact that they speak an Eastern Iranic language, look a tiny bit different on average, and have a different culture from other Northwest South Asians (though with Kashmiris theres much similiarty) that some people vehemently try to refute the obvious.



The guy has made 2 socks today in order to deny the obvious links the Pashtuns have with other Northwest South Asians. That means he's extremely bothered by this and sees the ethnicity as some kind of superior compared to other northwest south asians and hates every links with them they have. Just because they speak an eastern iranic language and have a different culture. Come on. On top of that he has made extreme ad hominem insults apart from the quote I posted here he sent me. He has also posted, while on those socks, tons of unsourced individual examples of god knows who whom he claims are ''south asian high castes'', and I even revealed this sneakyness with one result whom he claimed to be ''Azeri'', though actually was a Kuwaiti of mixed South Iranian/Turkic/Bedouin origins.

He's extremely bothered that Pashtuns are apart from being close to Tajiks, Pamiris etc, are also very close genetically to Northwest South Asians such as Kashmiris, Sindhi's, Burusho, Punjabi Jatts, etc. That's all.

You are an unbelievsble hypocrite, I asked for links yet you never gave them. Those were fake resukts pampered by YOU. Those resukts I posted were from anthrogeneica, Dr.Mcninja, parasarm bored, Everest, rest I can't remember rheir names. I knew their background as well. Ofcourse I'm extremely bothered, because you are labelling us as South ashans when we have our own culture, identity, and again, separate gebetically.

[asingh]

AIT occured only indians can not accept this fact.Outside of india nobody is today discussing any out of india theory.Sorry but i am just very annoyed by this out of india bullshit about indo-iranian origin in south asia or even more stupid about indoeuropean origin in india

Saying AIT does not exist <> Out of India exist. Both are probable theories. I did not mention Out of India, so please do not put words in my mouth...!

Thanks

[Demhat]

Which post ? Can you show me please

It's around 10-20 pages back. Sorry but I am not going to search for it, but the post came just a few pages after you were banned.