Rololz' Dad's Eurogenes k13 and k15

[Figaro]

his known ancestry is

father- German

mother- unknown. adopted by her parents.

What do we make of this?

k13
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Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.8
2 Baltic 27.95
3 West_Med 12.26
4 East_Med 6.21
5 West_Asian 4.09
6 Red_Sea 2.08
7 Siberian 1.36
8 Amerindian 1.01
9 Northeast_African 0.85
10 South_Asian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 5.11
2 South_Dutch 6.51
3 West_German 6.53
4 Danish 6.86
5 North_Dutch 7.04
6 Austrian 7.34
7 Swedish 7.39
8 East_German 7.59
9 Southeast_English 7.85
10 Norwegian 8.1
11 Orcadian 8.2
12 Irish 9.5
13 Southwest_English 9.92
14 North_Swedish 10.02
15 West_Scottish 10.12
16 Hungarian 11.42
17 French 12.09
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.43
19 Croatian 16.86
20 South_Polish 17.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.8% North_Swedish + 45.2% French @ 1.78
2 72.6% South_Dutch + 27.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.15
3 61.4% South_Dutch + 38.6% North_Swedish @ 2.16
4 61.4% West_German + 38.6% North_Swedish @ 2.18
5 69.5% North_Swedish + 30.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.4
6 69.8% North_Swedish + 30.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.44
7 67.9% North_Swedish + 32.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.47
8 58.8% Orcadian + 41.2% Hungarian @ 2.48
9 78.4% South_Dutch + 21.6% Finnish @ 2.48
10 67.8% North_Swedish + 32.2% Portuguese @ 2.49
11 80.6% Swedish + 19.4% Tuscan @ 2.55
12 86.7% Swedish + 13.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.57
13 66.9% North_Swedish + 33.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.6
14 53.2% West_Scottish + 46.8% Hungarian @ 2.67
15 73.2% West_German + 26.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.69
16 83.5% Swedish + 16.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.69
17 86.6% Swedish + 13.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.7
18 70.2% North_Swedish + 29.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.7
19 79.8% South_Dutch + 20.2% Estonian @ 2.73
20 85% Swedish + 15% Ashkenazi @ 2.73

k15
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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.23
2 Atlantic 24.02
3 Baltic 16.22
4 West_Med 8.28
5 Eastern_Euro 8.24
6 West_Asian 4.25
7 East_Med 2.45
8 Red_Sea 1.9
9 Siberian 0.88
10 Amerindian 0.78
11 Northeast_African 0.74
12 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 5.03
2 North_Dutch 6.78
3 South_Dutch 7
4 West_German 7.18
5 Danish 7.38
6 East_German 7.39
7 Swedish 7.63
8 Norwegian 8.21
9 Southwest_English 8.26
10 Southeast_English 8.28
11 Irish 8.39
12 West_Scottish 9.12
13 North_Swedish 9.32
14 West_Norwegian 10.23
15 Orcadian 10.52
16 French 11.2
17 Hungarian 11.25
18 Southwest_Finnish 11.56
19 Austrian 11.91
20 Finnish 14.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.9% North_Dutch + 36.1% Hungarian @ 2.86
2 58% Irish + 42% Hungarian @ 2.94
3 72.1% North_Dutch + 27.9% Croatian @ 2.99
4 68.6% Irish + 31.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.18
5 55.8% West_Scottish + 44.2% Hungarian @ 3.18
6 74.4% North_Dutch + 25.6% Moldavian @ 3.19
7 52.7% North_Dutch + 47.3% East_German @ 3.21
8 69% Southeast_English + 31% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.23
9 51.9% Orcadian + 48.1% Hungarian @ 3.34
10 74.3% North_Dutch + 25.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.41
11 69.2% Southwest_English + 30.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.42
12 69.3% Irish + 30.7% Moldavian @ 3.45
13 66.8% West_Scottish + 33.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.55
14 63% Orcadian + 37% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.55
15 54% East_German + 46% Irish @ 3.59
16 66.4% North_Dutch + 33.6% Austrian @ 3.61
17 61.2% Orcadian + 38.8% Croatian @ 3.63
18 75.5% North_German + 24.5% Hungarian @ 3.66
19 69.8% Irish + 30.2% Ukrainian @ 3.66
20 67.4% Irish + 32.6% Croatian @ 3.71

[SwampThing26]

He likely has a Native American ancestor at some point.

[Figaro]

He likely has a Native American ancestor at some point.

Interesting. Sure not just a lil' noise or archaic eurasian stuff?

[Figaro]

buuummmppppp

[SwampThing26]

Interesting. Sure not just a lil' noise or archaic eurasian stuff?

Not likely for an American with those numbers. Unless he or his parents were born in Europe?

[Figaro]

Not likely for an American with those numbers. Unless he or his parents were born in Europe?

Naw, he and his folks at least were born in the U.S. Like I said, his mother was adopted...so, who knows.

[Not a Cop]

buuummmppppp

What's his ancestry composition on 23andme and K36 results?

[Not a Cop]

Also 4 populations method.

[Jackson]

Could easily just be German. I don't see there is anything to suggest he has a native American ancestor, as people from Europe often get Amerindian in similar amounts. The Siberian is slightly high but still not unreasonable.

[Reith]

Looks German to me... Western/Northern

[SwampThing26]

Could easily just be German. I don't see there is anything to suggest he has a native American ancestor, as people from Europe often get Amerindian in similar amounts. The Siberian is slightly high but still not unreasonable.

If he is of recent immigration i would agree. If he is of colonial stock i would side with the possibility of it being actual Native American.

[Oneeye]

His scores don't necessarily mean that he has Native American ancestry, though it is a possibility and will be interesting to see if he scores any on 23andme's ancestry composition. I score 1.43% Amerindian on K15, 0.0% Native American on 23andme, and I asked McDonald back when he gave me results that painted me as 100% European if it was possible for me to have Native American ancestry, and he "turned up the sensitivity" and told me that it would of have to have been from before the 1500s if I did.. American with some colonial ancestry dating to the early 1600s on both sides here.

[Figaro]

Well, like I have mentioned, my paternal grandmother was adopted. It's kinda "it's anything goes" with her...although I guestimate based on her looks she had a Really Celtic look to her...highland Scots, maybe some Irish. Super Atlantid...north atlantid tending a bit to the paleo stuff.

As far as I know, my paternal grandfather's father had ancestry from German to here (on both sides) not much earlier than the second half of the 1800's.

[Figaro]

Any other interpretations?

Niggaz!?

[Sehnsucht]

Hey, my mother also gets similar Siberian numbers on these calculators. It has to be from her dad's German side since her mom doesn't show any. He is of recent immigration so I rule out Native American.


Also keep in mind that Finns and Russians score even higher than us. So it could be that kind of ancestry as well.

[acbrasil]

get the mother tested.

[Grace O'Malley]

Most Europeans get Native American results. I'm Irish and I do. It is ancient and due to shared ancestry with Europeans and Native Americans. Look at M'alta Boy. You're Grandfather appears German by those results..

[Figaro]

Was trying to get k36, but it has issues with me for some reason...

Still awaiting 23andme's calculations.

And here is his Dodecad V3 with Oracle:

opulation
East_European 15.45%
West_European 49.12%
Mediterranean 23.02%
Neo_African -
West_Asian 9.17%
South_Asian -
Northeast_Asian 0.95%
Southeast_Asian 0.33%
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.31%
Northwest_African 0.65%
Palaeo_African -

# Population Percent
1 West_European 49.12
2 Mediterranean 23.02
3 East_European 15.45
4 West_Asian 9.17
5 Southwest_Asian 1.31
6 Northeast_Asian 0.95
7 Northwest_African 0.65
8 Southeast_Asian 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German (Dodecad) 4.39
2 N._European (Xing) 6.48
3 CEU (HapMap) 6.57
4 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 6.99
5 Orcadian (HGDP) 7.98
6 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 8.21
7 Slovenian (Xing) 10.48
8 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 13.32
9 French (HGDP) 14.79
10 French (Dodecad) 14.88
11 Hungarians (Behar) 14.92
12 Dutch (Dodecad) 14.96
13 Kent (1000 Genomes) 17.04
14 Swedish (Dodecad) 18.07
15 British_Isles (Dodecad) 18.57
16 British (Dodecad) 18.88
17 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 19.51
18 Norwegian (Dodecad) 20.01
19 Irish (Dodecad) 21.26
20 FIN (1000Genomes) 21.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 47.1% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.06
2 64% Slovenian (Xing) + 36% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.11
3 65.1% Slovenian (Xing) + 34.9% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) @ 1.11
4 62% Slovenian (Xing) + 38% Kent (1000 Genomes) @ 1.12
5 64.4% Slovenian (Xing) + 35.6% British (Dodecad) @ 1.15
6 57.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 42.2% Romanians_14 (Behar) @ 1.16
7 56% Slovenian (Xing) + 44% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.19
8 67.1% Slovenian (Xing) + 32.9% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.22
9 60.2% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 39.8% Slovenian (Xing) @ 1.26
10 58.9% Slovenian (Xing) + 41.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.29
11 92.1% German (Dodecad) + 7.9% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.38
12 62.2% N._European (Xing) + 37.8% Slovenian (Xing) @ 1.4
13 92.6% German (Dodecad) + 7.4% Turks (Behar) @ 1.42
14 93.8% German (Dodecad) + 6.2% Armenians_16 (Behar) @ 1.59
15 93.6% German (Dodecad) + 6.4% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 1.6
16 70.3% N._European (Xing) + 29.7% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.62
17 89.3% German (Dodecad) + 10.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.73
18 56.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 43.7% Slovenian (Xing) @ 1.74
19 89.7% German (Dodecad) + 10.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.76
20 57% Orcadian (HGDP) + 43% Slovenian (Xing) @ 1.81

[Grace O'Malley]

Dodecad is very inaccurate. I come out as German on that. I think the best calculators are Eurogenes K13 and K15 and also MDLP K23b. In fact I find the K23b the most accurate.

[Figaro]

MDLP K23b with oracle 4

Population
Amerindian -
Ancestral_Altaic 4.10%
South_Central_Asian 4.30%
Arctic 2.11%
South_Indian -
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 22.39%
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers 25.55%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East 3.02%
North_African 1.13%
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 37.39%

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 37.39
2 European_Early_Farmers 25.55
3 Caucasian 22.39
4 South_Central_Asian 4.30
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.10
6 Near_East 3.02
7 Arctic 2.11
8 North_African 1.13


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_German @ 3.342296
2 Belgian @ 4.195504
3 Dutch @ 4.326210
4 German-Volga @ 4.708530
5 English @ 4.934860
6 Frisian @ 5.285990
7 North_European @ 5.645414
8 Irish @ 5.969845
9 North_German @ 6.746502
10 English_Kent_GBR @ 7.168406
11 Dane @ 7.205272
12 Norwegian_East @ 7.325996
13 CEU @ 7.448153
14 Austrian @ 7.475034
15 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 8.225760
16 British @ 8.338529
17 Swede @ 8.392970
18 Norwegian_West @ 8.435923
19 Welsh @ 8.478163
20 Icelandic @ 8.750079

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% English_Cornwall_GBR @ 2.530227

[Hevo]

Looks Northern European/German although i can also see a slight direction to Eastern Europe.

[Linebacker]

What about your results?Did your 23andMe arrive yet?

[Figaro]

What about your results?Did your 23andMe arrive yet?

I got some initial results, but awaiting stage six.

[Not a Cop]

http://s011.radikal.ru/i316/1412/f1/4389316bb3ab.png (http://www.radikal.ru)

Your results compared to North, East and West germans.

[Siberia62]

Dodecad is very inaccurate. I come out as German on that. I think the best calculators are Eurogenes K13 and K15 and also MDLP K23b. In fact I find the K23b the most accurate.

I totally agree. I know I have this supposed AJ that my family know nada about, but when I run Eurogenes it will state "82% English 18% Syrian" or "75% North Dutch 25% Ashkenazi" or "75% North Dutch 25% Italian Abruzzo" etc....(bear in mind I also have distant Italian ancestry.

But with Dodecad, it's not accurate. It says stuff like "55% Swedish 45% Romanian" and just totally other implausible combinations.

Eurogenes all the way. And as for the OP here, I'd say mostly German ancestry, perhaps a touch of British Isles in there, with some likely Amerindian. Considering you score 1% Amerindian and over 1% Siberian which can be attributed to Amerindian.

[Figaro]

I totally agree. I know I have this supposed AJ that my family know nada about, but when I run Eurogenes it will state "82% English 18% Syrian" or "75% North Dutch 25% Ashkenazi" or "75% North Dutch 25% Italian Abruzzo" etc....(bear in mind I also have distant Italian ancestry.

But with Dodecad, it's not accurate. It says stuff like "55% Swedish 45% Romanian" and just totally other implausible combinations.

Eurogenes all the way. And as for the OP here, I'd say mostly German ancestry, perhaps a touch of British Isles in there, with some likely Amerindian. Considering you score 1% Amerindian and over 1% Siberian which can be attributed to Amerindian.

That was by far the most "generous" test with those numbers...others have both at approx. half a percent, or not at all.

[Stanley]

I doubt you have an Amerindian ancestor. That number isn't atypical for fully European people, and it doesn't even show up at all on K23b.
I get about double yours (1.96% on K13) and I'm pretty sure I don't have any native ancestry (none on 23andme, doesn't show up as well in other calculators, 3/4 of my ancestry is from immigrants a few generations ago and my dad, who has the colonial ancestry, gets a lower score than I do).

Do you know where in Germany your dad's father's ancestry is from? Looking at the population averages, North- East- and West-Germans can score quite differently from each other. Knowing where his German ancestry is from would help better ascertain what his mom's ancestry might be.

Also, I'd caution against simply inferring from these results that your dad is full German like some people seem to be doing. Something like, say, a French-Polish mix could "just look German" too but that'd be a lazy interpretation of the results. As an example, my dad gets North_German as his top population on all Eurogenes calculators (a very close match at that, the distance being 2.something, his numbers looking a lot like the North German average), but he actually only has slight German ancestry from his colonial side—he's really 1/2 old stock, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 Swedish.

The most noticeable thing about your results, I think, is the high Baltic. If I had to guess, I'd say his dad was East German-ish and his mom was just a regular old Anglo-American (colonial English/other British/German/etc.). Maybe her family was originally from the South which would explain the "Celtic" look (i.e. heavy Scottish/Scots-Irish ancestry)? You're from the Chicago area though, aren't you? Could the elevated Baltic perhaps be from some Polish/Eastern European ancestors? Or maybe his dad is more Southwestern German and his mom some kind of mix like Scandinavian/Irish? I don't know, I'm just making shit up at this point. There's a lot it could be.

[Figaro]

I doubt you have an Amerindian ancestor. That number isn't atypical for fully European people, and it doesn't even show up at all on K23b.
I get about double yours (1.96% on K13) and I'm pretty sure I don't have any native ancestry (none on 23andme, doesn't show up as well in other calculators, 3/4 of my ancestry is from immigrants a few generations ago and my dad, who has the colonial ancestry, gets a lower score than I do).

Do you know where in Germany your dad's father's ancestry is from? Looking at the population averages, North- East- and West-Germans can score quite differently from each other. Knowing where his German ancestry is from would help better ascertain what his mom's ancestry might be.

Also, I'd caution against simply inferring from these results that your dad is full German like some people seem to be doing. Something like, say, a French-Polish mix could "just look German" too but that'd be a lazy interpretation of the results. As an example, my dad gets North_German as his top population on all Eurogenes calculators (a very close match at that, the distance being 2.something, his numbers looking a lot like the North German average), but he actually only has slight German ancestry from his colonial side—he's really 1/2 old stock, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 Swedish.

The most noticeable thing about your results, I think, is the high Baltic. If I had to guess, I'd say his dad was East German-ish and his mom was just a regular old Anglo-American (colonial English/other British/German/etc.). Maybe her family was originally from the South which would explain the "Celtic" look (i.e. heavy Scottish/Scots-Irish ancestry)? You're from the Chicago area though, aren't you? Could the elevated Baltic perhaps be from some Polish/Eastern European ancestors? Or maybe his dad is more Southwestern German and his mom some kind of mix like Scandinavian/Irish? I don't know, I'm just making shit up at this point. There's a lot it could be.

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I have in the past, tried much to pinpoint where in Germany my grandfather's side was from, but no documentation could be found. Our surname is common throughout Germany...there is likely east german, I think. My great grandmother (my german grandfather's mother) had a Wendish surname.

My grandmother was adopted...her adoption was arranged via a doctor and supposedly she was given up by a young, unwed Danish girl who was in some "kind of trouble"...there is a sense though that this was a peice of b.s., and my grandmother herself I don't think looked particularly modern Scando. Maybe she was in part? Interestingly, I've found photos of ancestors of her adoptive father, people of English stock. There are interesting resemblances between them, my dad, and myself. I have some suspicion it was maybe an in-the-family sort of adoption, all things considered. Just a suspicion though.

In addition, my dad's hablogroups-

Y- r1a1a

Mtdna- H3

[Stanley]

Is his global similarity map up? (Look under Ancestry Tools.)

[Figaro]

Is his global similarity map up? (Look under Ancestry Tools.)

Ah nice..it is up, actually...

Seems to "cluster" with the French...is a bit "East" of the Norwegian and french...not horribly south of Orcadian.Yeah, Native is looking more unlikely...the "world" had him sitting pretty right in the middle of Northern European

[Figaro]

Wouldn't mind connecting with someone on here and seeing how closely we plot.

[Sehnsucht]

Wouldn't mind connecting with someone on here and seeing how closely we plot.

How about my mom?

[Figaro]

How about my mom?

Certainly. PM me the info and what I have to do.

[Oneeye]

Any other interpretations?

Niggaz!?

Yes

[Figaro]

Just got my DNA Relatives all active. Interesting, I'm only seeing people with British Isles surnames. Despite the fact my deep paternal side is all North and East German.

bummmppppppppppppp fffuuuccckkaaazzzzzzz

[Figaro]

incidentally, my dad clusters firmly with the French and the German samples. All these DNA relative matches (granted, the closest being third cousins) have British Islander/Irish surnames.

[Figaro]

Aw fuck, who cares. Buncha fuckes.

[Reith]

his known ancestry is

father- German

mother- unknown. adopted by her parents.

What do we make of this?

k13
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Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.8
2 Baltic 27.95
3 West_Med 12.26
4 East_Med 6.21
5 West_Asian 4.09
6 Red_Sea 2.08
7 Siberian 1.36
8 Amerindian 1.01
9 Northeast_African 0.85
10 South_Asian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 5.11
2 South_Dutch 6.51
3 West_German 6.53
4 Danish 6.86
5 North_Dutch 7.04
6 Austrian 7.34
7 Swedish 7.39
8 East_German 7.59
9 Southeast_English 7.85
10 Norwegian 8.1
11 Orcadian 8.2
12 Irish 9.5
13 Southwest_English 9.92
14 North_Swedish 10.02
15 West_Scottish 10.12
16 Hungarian 11.42
17 French 12.09
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.43
19 Croatian 16.86
20 South_Polish 17.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.8% North_Swedish + 45.2% French @ 1.78
2 72.6% South_Dutch + 27.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.15
3 61.4% South_Dutch + 38.6% North_Swedish @ 2.16
4 61.4% West_German + 38.6% North_Swedish @ 2.18
5 69.5% North_Swedish + 30.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.4
6 69.8% North_Swedish + 30.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.44
7 67.9% North_Swedish + 32.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.47
8 58.8% Orcadian + 41.2% Hungarian @ 2.48
9 78.4% South_Dutch + 21.6% Finnish @ 2.48
10 67.8% North_Swedish + 32.2% Portuguese @ 2.49
11 80.6% Swedish + 19.4% Tuscan @ 2.55
12 86.7% Swedish + 13.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.57
13 66.9% North_Swedish + 33.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.6
14 53.2% West_Scottish + 46.8% Hungarian @ 2.67
15 73.2% West_German + 26.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.69
16 83.5% Swedish + 16.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.69
17 86.6% Swedish + 13.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.7
18 70.2% North_Swedish + 29.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.7
19 79.8% South_Dutch + 20.2% Estonian @ 2.73
20 85% Swedish + 15% Ashkenazi @ 2.73

k15
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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.23
2 Atlantic 24.02
3 Baltic 16.22
4 West_Med 8.28
5 Eastern_Euro 8.24
6 West_Asian 4.25
7 East_Med 2.45
8 Red_Sea 1.9
9 Siberian 0.88
10 Amerindian 0.78
11 Northeast_African 0.74
12 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 5.03
2 North_Dutch 6.78
3 South_Dutch 7
4 West_German 7.18
5 Danish 7.38
6 East_German 7.39
7 Swedish 7.63
8 Norwegian 8.21
9 Southwest_English 8.26
10 Southeast_English 8.28
11 Irish 8.39
12 West_Scottish 9.12
13 North_Swedish 9.32
14 West_Norwegian 10.23
15 Orcadian 10.52
16 French 11.2
17 Hungarian 11.25
18 Southwest_Finnish 11.56
19 Austrian 11.91
20 Finnish 14.43




# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.74
2 Baltic 30.99
3 West_Med 10.43
4 East_Med 6.31
5 West_Asian 4.44
6 South_Asian 1.23
7 Siberian 0.81
8 Oceanian 0.69
9 Red_Sea 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population Distance
1 North_German 4.97
2 Swedish 5.63
3 Danish 6.64
4 North_Dutch 7.16
5 Norwegian 7.35
6 North_Swedish 7.54
7 East_German 7.75
8 Austrian 8.28
9 Orcadian 9.08
10 West_German 9.15
11 Southeast_English 9.19
12 South_Dutch 9.38
13 Irish 10.29
14 West_Scottish 10.95
15 Southwest_English 11.4
16 Hungarian 11.8
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.28
18 French 15.22
19 South_Polish 15.77


Not too far off of mine..

[Reith]

Looks like I am a little more Baltic and you are more west med...

IN single pop.... looks like you are more W German and Dutch and I am more Scando...

[Figaro]

And now, the Eurogenes k36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 4.36%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.35%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.92%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.73%
East_Med 0.74%
Eastern_Euro 3.08%
Fennoscandian 16.50%
French 4.57%
Iberian 4.05%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 9.39%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 1.56%
North_Atlantic 15.37%
North_Caucasian 4.41%
North_Sea 13.70%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.25%

[Catkin]

The Fennoscandian looks high, though I don't remember what I scored.

It's interesting seeing all the results :) Seems predominantly German, but even the closest populations on K13 and K15 are still quite a long way away.

[Figaro]

bump

[Sehnsucht]

Wouldn't mind connecting with someone on here and seeing how closely we plot.

How do you plot your results?

[Figaro]

How do you plot your results?

Not sure what you're asking. Might be interesting to see how I compare with folks on Global Similarity Map.

[Figaro]

For shits and giggles, the EUtest with Oracle.

Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 24.86
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 23.78
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 18.21
4 EAST_EURO 11.39
5 WEST_MED 10.52
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.59
7 EAST_MED 4.24
8 MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.49
9 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.46
10 SIBERIAN 0.46


# Population (source) Distance
1 West_&_Central_German 4.93
2 NL 5.73
3 AT 7.06
4 Cornish 7.42
5 Orcadian 7.43
6 English 7.74
7 South_&_Central_Swedish 7.81
8 NO 8.21
9 DK 8.26
10 IE 8.45
11 Scottish 9.18
12 North_Swedish 10.16
13 HU 11.43
14 FR 11.92
15 Serbian 15.4
16 PL 16.74
17 South_Finnish 16.84
18 RO 18.2
19 PT 18.59
20 UA 18.59

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% Orcadian + 38.6% HU @ 2.45
2 55.8% Scottish + 44.2% HU @ 2.58
3 72.8% Cornish + 27.2% UA @ 2.8
4 70.7% Cornish + 29.3% PL @ 2.86
5 58.2% IE + 41.8% HU @ 2.94
6 51.6% AT + 48.4% Orcadian @ 3.12
7 78.6% Cornish + 21.4% LIT @ 3.17
8 57.7% AT + 42.3% Scottish @ 3.17
9 75.8% Cornish + 24.2% Belorussian @ 3.25
10 73.9% Cornish + 26.1% West_Russian @ 3.31
11 75.2% Cornish + 24.8% Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.33
12 62.3% Cornish + 37.7% HU @ 3.38
13 55.6% AT + 44.4% IE @ 3.41
14 78.2% Cornish + 21.8% Northwest_Russian @ 3.42
15 87.4% West_&_Central_German + 12.6% LIT @ 3.43
16 82.8% West_&_Central_German + 17.2% PL @ 3.57
17 61.3% English + 38.7% HU @ 3.58
18 87.5% West_&_Central_German + 12.5% Northwest_Russian @ 3.61
19 73.8% Orcadian + 26.2% UA @ 3.63
20 84.9% West_&_Central_German + 15.1% West_Russian @ 3.63

[Dani Cutie]

And now, the Eurogenes k36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 4.36%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.35%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.92%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.73%
East_Med 0.74%
Eastern_Euro 3.08%
Fennoscandian 16.50%
French 4.57%
Iberian 4.05%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 9.39%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 1.56%
North_Atlantic 15.37%
North_Caucasian 4.41%
North_Sea 13.70%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.25%

23 and me did this?

[Figaro]

23 and me did this?

Nope, plugged in the raw data I got from 23andme on Eurogenes, on Gedmatch.com.

[Sehnsucht]

Not sure what you're asking. Might be interesting to see how I compare with folks on Global Similarity Map.

Want to connect at 23andme website?

[Figaro]

Want to connect at 23andme website?

Sure. PM me a name that I can search up on there.

[Figaro]

Still waitin' on 'dem final results from 23andme.

[Figaro]

Just got "countries of ancestry" feature unlocked from 23andme. Percentage to the right of the name of the country is the genome covered percentage.

My old man's, from greatest to least:

Ireland (1.1%)
United Kingdom (.6%)
Poland (.4%)
Brazil (.4%)
Germany (.3%)
Denmark (.3%)
Chile (.2%)
Sweden (.1%)
Montenegro (.1%)
Italy (.1%)
France (.1%)

Being the top ones and as much of the genome covered as they are, he probably is some part Irish and/or other British Islander. I notice names common in Cornwall on the relative finder coming up and he gets cornish and Iberian/Basque percentages on eurogenes often, so It's likely there's some S.W English/Cornish. German is established...Danish can either account for part of the German (we do have German lineage from just around the northern elbe)...Sweden is probably something into that Poland probably is East/Northeast German. Latin American stuff is probably some slight resemblance to the genomes of Latin American users of mainly to all European ancestry.

Final three are probably something like "noise".

[Oneeye]

Excellent, what are the predicted CoA on your ancestry home page? Ireland, UK, Poland, Germany, and Denmark?

[Not a Cop]

Just got "countries of ancestry" feature unlocked from 23andme. Percentage to the right of the name of the country is the genome covered percentage.

My old man's, from greatest to least:

Ireland (1.1%)
United Kingdom (.6%)
Poland (.4%)
Brazil (.4%)
Germany (.3%)
Denmark (.3%)
Chile (.2%)
Sweden (.1%)
Montenegro (.1%)
Italy (.1%)
France (.1%)

Being the top ones and as much of the genome covered as they are, he probably is some part Irish and/or other British Islander. I notice names common in Cornwall on the relative finder coming up and he gets cornish and Iberian/Basque percentages on eurogenes often, so It's likely there's some S.W English/Cornish. German is established...Danish can either account for part of the German (we do have German lineage from just around the northern elbe)...Sweden is probably something into that Poland probably is East/Northeast German. Latin American stuff is probably some slight resemblance to the genomes of Latin American users of mainly to all European ancestry.

Final three are probably something like "noise".

Try Show advanced controls - 4 grandparent, 5CM.

[Figaro]

Try Show advanced controls - 4 grandparent, 5CM.

Adjusted to those specifications.

United Kingdom- 3.5%

Ireland- 3.0%

Germany- 1.9%

Poland- 1.4%

Netherlands- 1.2%

Denmark- 1.0%

Russia- 0.9%

Norway- 0.9%

Sweden- 0.7%

France- 0.7%

Ukraine- 0.6%

Spain- 0.5%

Finland- 0.5%

Yeah and so on...

[Not a Cop]

Adjusted to those specifications.

United Kingdom- 3.5%

Ireland- 3.0%

Germany- 1.9%

Poland- 1.4%

Netherlands- 1.2%

Denmark- 1.0%

Russia- 0.9%

Norway- 0.9%

Sweden- 0.7%

France- 0.7%

Ukraine- 0.6%

Spain- 0.5%

Finland- 0.5%

Yeah and so on...

Interesting, i considering your results and higher Baltic score i would say that your Dad was a of Norhtern\North-Western German backgound+some standart american British mix and likely some Polish or East-German blood.

[Figaro]

Interesting, i considering your results and higher Baltic score i would say that your Dad was a of Norhtern\North-Western German backgound+some standart american British mix and likely some Polish or East-German blood.

My thoughts exactly. Ty.

[Figaro]

Just got his 23andme AC today. Those who I am sharing with on there, feel free to gander.

Dissapointingly, he gets a whole lot of "broadly northern european"- around half, with all three modes.

[Figaro]

BUMP

[Figaro]

Interestingly, on 23andme on Global Similarity, he leans closer to the Basque than any of my folks I share with.

[Stanley]

Just got his 23andme AC today. Those who I am sharing with on there, feel free to gander.

Dissapointingly, he gets a whole lot of "broadly northern european"- around half, with all three modes.

That is quite a lot of Broadly Northern European. I took a look at his AC and I'm thinking it supports the notion that your grandmother's mother was Danish. 23andMe typically undercounts its Scandinavian component in actual Scandinavians (while giving like 1-4% to non-Scandinavian NW Europeans), instead putting most of it in broadly northern euro, so his 9.4% is significant. And plus he seems to share well with Danes in the ancestry finder tool, although that could perhaps alternatively be from northern German ancestry. 'French & German' is another population 23andMe doesn't like to assign much towards, meaning his 18.2% is still consistent with his dad being German.
So, considering he's likely mostly German + Danish, the high amount of Broadly Northern European in his AC isn't surprising.

The 3.4% Eastern European is pretty indicative of German ancestry from the eastern parts, as you already expected.
I don't know exactly what to make of the 12.7% British & Irish. Most likely your grandmother's father was Anglo-American? If he were Irish, I would expect the British & Irish % to be higher—the Irish people I share with seem to always get at least 90%, whereas for the English results I've seen it's more ambiguous.

I don't want to assume too much, but to me it looks like your dad is 50% German, 25% Danish, 25% colonial. What do you think?

[Figaro]

That is quite a lot of Broadly Northern European. I took a look at his AC and I'm thinking it supports the notion that your grandmother's mother was Danish. 23andMe typically undercounts its Scandinavian component in actual Scandinavians (while giving like 1-4% to non-Scandinavian NW Europeans), instead putting most of it in broadly northern euro, so his 9.4% is significant. And plus he seems to share well with Danes in the ancestry finder tool, although that could perhaps alternatively be from northern German ancestry. 'French & German' is another population 23andMe doesn't like to assign much towards, meaning his 18.2% is still consistent with his dad being German.
So, considering he's likely mostly German + Danish, the high amount of Broadly Northern European in his AC isn't surprising.

The 3.4% Eastern European is pretty indicative of German ancestry from the eastern parts, as you already expected.
I don't know exactly what to make of the 12.7% British & Irish. Most likely your grandmother's father was Anglo-American? If he were Irish, I would expect the British & Irish % to be higher—the Irish people I share with seem to always get at least 90%, whereas for the English results I've seen it's more ambiguous.

I don't want to assume too much, but to me it looks like your dad is 50% German, 25% Danish, 25% colonial. What do you think?

This sounds incredibly logical. I suppose I cannot just ignore the one hint of something that Was given (even if a maybe) about her bio family- and then there is this?

[Figaro]

bump?

[Figaro]

It's looking relatively clear that my dad's mother was some kind of Scando-British Isles mix. I assume the 12.7% British and Irish on 23andme cannot be noise- sure if it was a percent or so, it would perhaps be...but that seems entirely too high to not be reflecting some amount of descent from there. Now where exactly?

Well, I get all or basically all British Isles type names coming up as frequent ones on the DNA Relatives- all fourth cousins and more distant, mind you. Still interesting, nevertheless. Here are his top 10 on that-

Higgins
Cole
Norman
Boyd
Ellis
Holland
Gallagher
Adams
Hopkins
Walker

Some are Irish, and some can be Irish, or easily Scottish septs of historically Hebridean clans. Some CAN also be English.

Makes a lot of logical sense, as there is a genetic continuum particularly tightly so with west isles Scots and the Irish.

Higgins in Ireland is considered to be an O'Neal sept. Kin close to those folks would have been spearheading the Dal Riata folks

[Catkin]

Higgins
Cole
Norman
Boyd
Ellis
Holland
Gallagher
Adams
Hopkins
Walker



Yes, you'd find lots of those names in England too. I went to school with a Higgins, a Cole, an Ellis, and an Adams. The others are very familiar names as well.

And I agree, that is too high a percentage to just be noise :)

[Figaro]

Yes, you'd find lots of those names in England too. I went to school with a Higgins, a Cole, an Ellis, and an Adams. The others are very familiar names as well.

And I agree, that is too high a percentage to just be noise :)

ty. Now that I think about it, English Higgins' are generally believed to have West Country roots. and Cole is distinctly Cornish (unless I am mistaken). I forget which Eurogenes, but he scored some kind of percentage on the "Cornish"-based sample...(could be reflecting general pre-iron age invader DNA from all over the isles, or something else- maybe Welsh?). Maybe just a bit of food for thought.

[Figaro]

Paste from his Eutest Oracle:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_&_Central_German 4.93
2 NL 5.73
3 AT 7.06
4 Cornish 7.42
5 Orcadian 7.43
6 English 7.74
7 South_&_Central_Swedish 7.81
8 NO 8.21
9 DK 8.26
10 IE 8.45
11 Scottish 9.18
12 North_Swedish 10.16
13 HU 11.43
14 FR 11.92
15 Serbian 15.4
16 PL 16.74
17 South_Finnish 16.84
18 RO 18.2
19 PT 18.59
20 UA 18.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% Orcadian + 38.6% HU @ 2.45
2 55.8% Scottish + 44.2% HU @ 2.58
3 72.8% Cornish + 27.2% UA @ 2.8
4 70.7% Cornish + 29.3% PL @ 2.86
5 58.2% IE + 41.8% HU @ 2.94
6 51.6% AT + 48.4% Orcadian @ 3.12
7 78.6% Cornish + 21.4% LIT @ 3.17
8 57.7% AT + 42.3% Scottish @ 3.17
9 75.8% Cornish + 24.2% Belorussian @ 3.25
10 73.9% Cornish + 26.1% West_Russian @ 3.31
11 75.2% Cornish + 24.8% Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.33
12 62.3% Cornish + 37.7% HU @ 3.38
13 55.6% AT + 44.4% IE @ 3.41
14 78.2% Cornish + 21.8% Northwest_Russian @ 3.42
15 87.4% West_&_Central_German + 12.6% LIT @ 3.43
16 82.8% West_&_Central_German + 17.2% PL @ 3.57
17 61.3% English + 38.7% HU @ 3.58
18 87.5% West_&_Central_German + 12.5% Northwest_Russian @ 3.61
19 73.8% Orcadian + 26.2% UA @ 3.63
20 84.9% West_&_Central_German + 15.1% West_Russian @ 3.63

[Oneeye]

Yes, you'd find lots of those names in England too. I went to school with a Higgins, a Cole, an Ellis, and an Adams. The others are very familiar names as well.

And I agree, that is too high a percentage to just be noise :)



I also have an Ellis that came from England according to records.

[Figaro]

bump

[Stanley]

I wouldn't take your top surnames results too literally. Which ones appear on it is mostly a function of who happens to take the test (i.e. Americans for the most part, and Americans are more British than anything). Also, keep in mind, it's not directly indicating that you have those surnames in your family tree but rather that you share a piece of DNA, however far back, with someone who lists that surname in their their family tree, in any odd part of it that you may have zero connection to. This is why you see weird stuff like Balkanites having Anglo surnames as the bulk of their lists.

Trying to pinpoint your grandmother's Isles heritage is probably best done through other means. What kind of matches does your dad get above, say, 10 cM in ancestry finder?

[Figaro]

I wouldn't take your top surnames results too literally. Which ones appear on it is mostly a function of who happens to take the test (i.e. Americans for the most part, and Americans are more British than anything). Also, keep in mind, it's not directly indicating that you have those surnames in your family tree but rather that you share a piece of DNA, however far back, with someone who lists that surname in their their family tree, in any odd part of it that you may have zero connection to. This is why you see weird stuff like Balkanites having Anglo surnames as the bulk of their lists.

Trying to pinpoint your grandmother's Isles heritage is probably best done through other means. What kind of matches does your dad get above, say, 10 cM in ancestry finder?

COA, you mean?

5 cm-

United Kingdom (3.5)
Ireland (3.0)
Germany (1.9)
Poland (1.4)
Netherlands (1.2)

10 cm-

Brazil (.4)
Ireland (.3)
Poland (.2)
Denmark (.2)
Chile (.2)

No results at 15 cm...

[Figaro]

Incidentally, when is eurogenes k37 coming out? I heard some whisper of it a bit back...

[Figaro]

I keep thinking about his closest clusterings in the different eurogenes tests. Like a lot of North and West German, some East German, and then BAM...places like S.W. England (least Germanic genetically in England), Ireland, etc. Obviously his mother had to do with the British ISlander parts...I'd eat my shorts if any of that comes from my paternal grandfather. Also, going back to the German samples-

What samples from where exactly where taken to add up to the categories of "North" and "West" Germany?

West Germany, going far north, can skirt the Netherlands and include some very genetically Germanic folks of likely Frankish descent. Go south, and West Germany can include Kelto-alpine folk from the Saarland and Swabia.

For what it's worth- my ydna is R1a1a. My very northern and some Eastern as given by 23andme and reflected some by eurogenes adds up. I have one picture of my great grandfather (furthest I can go northward in terms of father-son males up my surname) and he, surprisingly, looks super Kelto-Nordid. Perhaps N.W German background? Luxembourger maybe?

[Figaro]

I keep hearing folk say his results scream all North German, yet 23andme has him at 12.7% British and Irish. And a Huge Atlantic score with nearly all eurogenes tests. Surely there is British Islander input?

[Figaro]

Hmm, things have changed a bit. Dad's "Irish" at the #1 spot cuts out a tad before 10 cm's. Greece actually comes up as #1 from then on out.

his Balkan score on AC however is only at .2%.

[Figaro]

Interesting- Sweden has moved up to fifth place on my dad's COA. With somewhat higher centimeters, Sweden surpasses his Denmark. Might make sense grandma was part Swedish. Would explain some of those gedmatch results.

[de Burgh II]

Scandinavian/Germanic strong! :clap2: