POLL: Which other (Northwest) South Asian ethnicity are Pashtuns the closest to genetically?

[Truthbetold]

70% of the Pashtuns live in Pakistan. The 2nd largest group lives in Afghanistan and form the largest ethnic group there.


Regions with significant populations
1) Pakistan 29,342,892 (2012)[4]
2) Afghanistan 12,776,369 (2012)[5]

So the question is; which other Northwestern South Asian population are the Pashtuns the closest to GENETICALLY?
NO DISCUSSION ABOUT OTHER STUFF, JUST VOTE.
YOU CAN CHOOSE BETWEEN

- Punjabi Jatts
- Kashmiris
- High Caste Himachali's (Himachal Pradesh)
- Sindhi's
- Burusho
- other High Caste Northern Hindu Indians



According to a 2012 study:


"MDS and Barrier analysis have identified a significant affinity between Pashtun, Tajik, North Indian, and West Indian populations, creating an Afghan-Indian population structure that excludes the Hazaras, Uzbeks, and the South Indian Dravidian speakers. In addition, gene flow to Afghanistan from India marked by Indian lineages, L-M20, H-M69, and R2a-M124, also seems to mostly involve Pashtuns and Tajiks. This genetic affinity and gene flow suggests interactions that could have existed since at least the establishment of the region's first civilizations at the Indus Valley and the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex."

source: Haber M, Platt DE, Ashrafian Bonab M, Youhanna SC, Soria-Hernanz DF et al. (2012). "Afghanistan's Ethnic Groups Share a Y-Chromosomal Heritage Structured by Historical Events". PLoS ONE 7 (3): e34288. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0034288. PMC 3314501. PMID 22470552.

World plots/PCA's.

http://i62.tinypic.com/e0qqtx.png

Analysis from the paper the graph is from:


(...) Pashtun are close to the Indo-Aryan cluster, and Hazara are, as expected, near to the Altaic cluster.

http://www.cell.com/cms/attachment/2008137066/2030915790/gr1.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3074/eumescalabeled.jpg

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7303/carousel/nature09103-f3.2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HwyKjFcicAQ/T3Nbet3odMI/AAAAAAAAEtc/9Le5g_dLfuc/s1600/journal.pone.0034288.g001.png

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0076748


As compared to West Asia/European/Eurasia plots

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UCP5T1pduGU/TzpBa9QbK3I/AAAAAAAAEe4/_uWuqnnb1zQ/s1600/1_2.png

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_6XAIk6ygtg/Tcqj7WCS_jI/AAAAAAAADsU/WJDG6R2XnH0/s1600/waeu.png

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6945/neareast13labeled.png

http://pichoster.net/images/2014/02/13/Eurasia%20PCA.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TBDgV2r3hxI/AAAAAAAACck/sYi1shNB8bc/s1600/westeurasianpca.jpg

I would probably go with Kashmiris myself.

[Hadouken]

Kashmiris I would say

[jatt]

Kashmiris. Or maybe himachali N patohari punjabis. In short other mountain People

[scytsar]

literally obsessed, and for the millionth time, pathans from pakistan and india are clearly different from pashtuns in afghanistan (aside from the tribal ones in pakistan living along the durand)

Genetic studies do show that pathans of india and pakistan are essentially ~20% south indian and 80% a mix of predominantly west asian and whatever else, and the same genetic studies show that the afghan pashtuns are anywhere from 5-10% south asian with the rest being not south asian, why is this so hard for you to understand? Genetically distinct from north indians, culturally distinct from north indians, linguistically distinct from north indians, phenotypically distinct from north indians aside from SOME overlap that occurs.

We don't consider ourselves south asian, and neither does anybody else aside from retards like yourself, we consider ourselves to be central asian if anything with a shift to west asian and a shift to south asian, none of us are denying there is a bit of south asian in our gene pool, what we're denying is we're a south asian people and that's more than definitely a fair point - virtually everyone in pakistan and india sees pashtuns as hard headed barbaric invaders with a history of pillaging india, our contribution to south india is basically killing and enslaving them, completely foreign to them other than a dozen of bollywood actors in india whose parent(s) have been from afghanistan.

I doubt you'll even read this, jatt, since you type like an 8 year old.

[scytsar]

Kashmiris I would say
you afghan too bro?

[FacetheTruth]

literally obsessed, and for the millionth time, pathans from pakistan and india are clearly different from pashtuns in afghanistan (aside from the tribal ones in pakistan living along the durand)

Genetic studies do show that pathans of india and pakistan are essentially ~20% south indian and 80% a mix of predominantly west asian and whatever else, and the same genetic studies show that the afghan pashtuns are anywhere from 5-10% south asian with the rest being not south asian, why is this so hard for you to understand? Genetically distinct from north indians, culturally distinct from north indians, linguistically distinct from north indians, phenotypically distinct from north indians aside from SOME overlap that occurs.

We don't consider ourselves south asian, and neither does anybody else aside from retards like yourself, we consider ourselves to be central asian if anything with a shift to west asian and a shift to south asian, none of us are denying there is a bit of south asian in our gene pool, what we're denying is we're a south asian people and that's more than definitely a fair point - virtually everyone in pakistan and india sees pashtuns as hard headed barbaric invaders with a history of pillaging india, our contribution to south india is basically killing and enslaving them, completely foreign to them other than a dozen of bollywood actors in india whose parent(s) have been from afghanistan.

I doubt you'll even read this, jatt, since you type like an 8 year old.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_holocaust_of_1762 Massacre by afghan forces on Sikhs, the durranis defeated thr sikh empire, maybe that's why hate is coming from South asians?

[zhaoyun]

OP, another Indian posing as another nationality.

Begs the question, why are there so many such lunatics coming from the dark nation?

[FacetheTruth]

OP, another Indian posing as another nationality.

Begs the question, why are there so many such lunatics coming from the dark nation?

Look at my comment above. Maybe that's why? Butthurt? I've been reading the other thread, and it's preposterous. Afghans are clearly different, genetically, phenotypically and culturally. But it does beg the question....why?

[FacetheTruth]

Hold on...the PCA plots don't even show the afghan people. What the hell? The OP is just posting random pca plots just so he could seem he knows everything about genealogy.

[jatt]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_holocaust_of_1762 Massacre by afghan forces on Sikhs, the durranis defeated thr sikh empire, maybe that's why hate is comng from South asians?
N who were ur masters before British n whose name afghan mothers use to pacify errand kids N who is genociding afghans in waziristan n afghanistan u are slaves of our punjabi brothers of pKistan be in Ur liMits
It's or ur punjabi master will not give food for a week

[FacetheTruth]

N who were ur masters before British n whose name afghan mothers use to pacify errand kids N who is genociding afghans in waziristan n afghanistan u are slaves of our punjabi brothers of pKistan be in Ur liMits
It's or ur punjabi master will not give food for a week

I'm sorry but wasnt India part of the britidh raj, where they took orders from their white masters?

[jatt]

literally obsessed, and for the millionth time, pathans from pakistan and india are clearly different from pashtuns in afghanistan (aside from the tribal ones in pakistan living along the durand)

Genetic studies do show that pathans of india and pakistan are essentially ~20% south indian and 80% a mix of predominantly west asian and whatever else, and the same genetic studies show that the afghan pashtuns are anywhere from 5-10% south asian with the rest being not south asian, why is this so hard for you to understand? Genetically distinct from north indians, culturally distinct from north indians, linguistically distinct from north indians, phenotypically distinct from north indians aside from SOME overlap that occurs.

We don't consider ourselves south asian, and neither does anybody else aside from retards like yourself, we consider ourselves to be central asian if anything with a shift to west asian and a shift to south asian, none of us are denying there is a bit of south asian in our gene pool, what we're denying is we're a south asian people and that's more than definitely a fair point - virtually everyone in pakistan and india sees pashtuns as hard headed barbaric invaders with a history of pillaging india, our contribution to south india is basically killing and enslaving them, completely foreign to them other than a dozen of bollywood actors in india whose parent(s) have been from afghanistan.

I doubt you'll even read this, jatt, since you type like an 8 year old.
noone sees u anything but serveNt or labourer working i.Cleaning oilets
It was not afghans who invade inDia it was turkiks u were their doormat race. They would use Afghanistan as doormat before invading India
N none of the Bollywood actors r from Afghanistan Typing is difficult on phone will get u when I reach home mr snowhite

[scytsar]

noone sees u anything but serveNt or labourer working i.Cleaning oilets
It was not afghans who invade inDia it was turkiks u were their doormat race. They would use Afghanistan as doormat before invading India
N none of the Bollywood actors r from Afghanistan Typing is difficult on phone will get u when I reach home mr snowhite

You've demonstrated more than once that you're a person of low intellect, your comment just now only serves to prove your lack of knowledge in general history and you do seem to be completely incapable of having a rational argument in any manner of discussion so whatever I say from this point I assume will fall on deaf ears but I'll just reiterate that your inferiority complex is shining like the turd you are once again.

Both of what you said regarding invaders and bollywood actors are completely incorrect and serve only as an indicator for everybody else to stop taking your mindless ramblings seriously in case they were taking you seriously.

[back_up]

party pics from a nightclub in punjab (thanks be real from anthro) very beutifull people no doubt but i don't think pashtuns (even Pakistani ones) have anything to do with them. Remember punjabis are whitest people in whole India. :) punjabis look like bihari types, biharis are are Indians so it make sense.

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1395397_612815298783229_2092088223_n.jpg?oh=0bca54 be85b28480201016d7f4ad88ae&oe=5502E052

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[jatt]

[QUOTE=back_up;3236550]party pics from a nightclub in punjab (thanks be real from anthro) very beutifull people no doubt but i don't think pashtuns (even Pakistani ones) have anything to do with them. Remember punjabis are whitest people in whole India. :)
QUOTE]

o boy o boy you stoop so low just to score points you putting up picz of non Punjabis and saying they are Punjabis.. guys like b real or other non south Asians do that is understandable they dunno who we are but a Pakistani pushtoon dunno about their masters is too much... look dude I aint here to show off how much better we are from pushtoons. I said you guys look like kashmiris and nepalis and I stand by that.. and whats bad in looking like biharis mate.. neha sharma is one of my favorate Bollywood actress n she is bihari

http://www.celebritysizes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Neha-Sharma.jpg wow what beutifull eyes... show me pashtoon one as pretty as her if u can

now let me educate you about Punjabi phenotype


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cP73TFginB0/0.jpg

some Punjabi dudes

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5Bg3AQKhsto/Tk6lL1xI0NI/AAAAAAAAAEk/Y9H8IVSrAOc/s1600/282588_10150732928035099_686400098_19542979_395369 9_n.jpg

crowd from chandigarh.. some white and Chinese types are also there as its multicultural city one of the richest in india

http://photogallery.indiatimes.com/photo/19830668.cmshttp://newcanadianmedia.ca/images/Baltej%20Pannu%20addresses%20crowd2.jpghttp://www.e-paolive.net/galleries/images/AFPSA/2012/Sharmila_Chd_11/Sharmila_Chd_201211_9.jpg http://www.freevisuals4u.com/photos/2012/01/Balbir-Sidhu.jpg

Punjabis from cities.. mongoloid ones are tibbetans who fled china to live in india.

[back_up]

[QUOTE=back_up;3236550]party pics from a nightclub in punjab (thanks be real from anthro) very beutifull people no doubt but i don't think pashtuns (even Pakistani ones) have anything to do with them. Remember punjabis are whitest people in whole India. :)
QUOTE]

o boy o boy you stoop so low just to score points you putting up picz of non Punjabis and saying they are Punjabis.. guys like b real or other non south Asians do that is understandable they dunno who we are but a Pakistani pushtoon dunno about their masters is too much... look dude I aint here to show off how much better we are from pushtoons. I said you guys look like kashmiris and nepalis and I stand by that.. and whats bad in looking like biharis mate.. neha sharma is one of my favorate Bollywood actress n she is bihari

http://www.celebritysizes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Neha-Sharma.jpg wow what beutifull eyes... show me pashtoon one as pretty as her if u can

now let me educate you about Punjabi phenotype


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cP73TFginB0/0.jpg

some Punjabi dudes

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5Bg3AQKhsto/Tk6lL1xI0NI/AAAAAAAAAEk/Y9H8IVSrAOc/s1600/282588_10150732928035099_686400098_19542979_395369 9_n.jpg

crowd from chandigarh.. some white and Chinese types are also there as its multicultural city one of the richest in india

http://photogallery.indiatimes.com/photo/19830668.cmshttp://newcanadianmedia.ca/images/Baltej%20Pannu%20addresses%20crowd2.jpghttp://www.e-paolive.net/galleries/images/AFPSA/2012/Sharmila_Chd_11/Sharmila_Chd_201211_9.jpg http://www.freevisuals4u.com/photos/2012/01/Balbir-Sidhu.jpg

Punjabis from cities.. mongoloid ones are tibbetans who fled china to live in india.

Are you blind or something? Why are you distancing your self from upper class punjabis i posted? They are not even poor people, your pics are also similar to the ones i posted. And nepalis and himchelis wished they looked like pashtuns lol

[jatt]

http://media2.intoday.in/indiatoday/images/stories//2013december/shop-till-you-drop_122613044005.jpghttp://www.shortguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/bollywood-flash-mob-at-union-squ.jpg

n now village Punjabis

http://www.sikhnet.com/files/news/2008/August/kabaddi-3.jpghttp://d2528966.u52.surftown.dk/images/Kabaddi%201.jpghttp://www.kabaddicrazy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/kabaddi-da-randy-ortan%E2%86%92-Pala-jalalpuria.jpghttp://files.prokerala.com/news/photos/imgs/800/indian-kabaddi-players-after-winning-the-final-133543.jpghttp://www.brecorder.com/images/stories/pics2011/october/kabaddi_1.jpghttp://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01351/DE04-P03_4COL_G_DE_1351902f.jpghttp://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gujaratsamachar.com/20120216/images/photogallery/na2-1.gif

rural Punjabis at rural games

[jatt]

now lets check pashtoons ... very beutifull people but not like jatts.. they look like kashmiris.

http://blogs.msf.org/sites/blogs/files/afghanistan/files/2013/04/IMG_3234_530.jpg

young men from Kabul

http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/800-7/photos/1318320066-protest-against-pakistan-in-kabul-_867897.jpg

Kabul crowd .. looks good

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1655000/images/_1656274_pgafghanmusic.jpg

Kabul men..whiter one is mongoloid influenced.. good looking sweet folks

http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/800_jsjrysue64taztvwyypby0yagc1bymeb.jpg

police baton charging handsome pashtoons

http://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2014/03/27/8e5cfedc-4ae9-432b-a11f-0e46caf9261c/8e5cfedc-4ae9-432b-a11f-0e46caf9261c_16x9_600x338.jpg

beutifull mountaneous Kashmiri type people

[jatt]

You've demonstrated more than once that you're a person of low intellect, your comment just now only serves to prove your lack of knowledge in general history and you do seem to be completely incapable of having a rational argument in any manner of discussion so whatever I say from this point I assume will fall on deaf ears but I'll just reiterate that your inferiority complex is shining like the turd you are once again.

Both of what you said regarding invaders and bollywood actors are completely incorrect and serve only as an indicator for everybody else to stop taking your mindless ramblings seriously in case they were taking you seriously.

buddy it seems you aint aware of your own history or invent history to make pashtoons something which they aint.. heres Afghanistan history in nutshell.. here it goes

The story of Afghanistan is in so many ways a very tragic one. Afghanistan is one of the most impoverished nations of the world. It is one of the most war-torn, most ravaged, and most beleaguered of nations. It is a nation that has been beset by invasion, external pressure and internal upheaval since before the time of Alexander the Great. Its people are a people who have endured more than most of us can ever imagine. In fact, for many Afghanis, all that has changed in the last one thousand years are the weapons which have been used against so many of them.

ch ch ch sad really


First of all, who are the Afghanis? Afghanistan has historically been the link between Central Asia, the Middle East and the Indian sub-continent. It is therefore a nation made up of many different nationalities – the result of innumerable invasions and migrations. Within its current borders there are at least a dozen major ethnic groups – Baluch, Chahar Aimak, Turkmen, Hazara, Pashtun, Tajik, Uzbek, Nuristani, Arab, Kirghiz, Pashai and Persian.

Historically the Pashtun nationality has been the most dominant. The term Afghan, for example, generally is viewed by other peoples in the country to refer to the Pashtuns. The royal families of the country were Pashtun, and today the Pashtun represent about 50% of the total population. Tajiks come in second with 25%, and the rest make up considerably smaller percentages.

Within the country there are tiny Hindu, Sikh and Jewish communities, but the vast majority of this people are Muslims – and in fact many ethnic groups consider Islam to be one of the defining aspects of their ethnic identity. This is true of the Pashtun for example.

Islam was brought to Afghanistan during the eight and ninth century by the Arabs. Prior to that the nation had been ruled by various Persian, Greek, Sassasian and Central Asian empires. Following a subsequent break down in Arab rule, semi-independent states began to form. These local dynasties and states however were overwhelmed and crushed during the Mongolian invasions of the 1200s – conquerors who were to remain in control of part or all of the country until the 1500s, despite much resistance and internal strife. Following the collapse of Mongol rule, Afghanistan found itself in a situation much like what has continued into modern times – caught between the vice of two great powers. During this time it was the Mughals of northern India and the Safavids of Iran that fought over the mountains and valleys of Afghanistan. Armies marched to and fro devastating the land and murdering the people, laying siege to city after city, and destroying whatever had been left by the invading army that preceded it.

It was not until 1747 that Afghanistan was able to free itself. This was the year that Nadir Shah, an empire builder from Iran, died and left a vacuum in central Asia that a former Afghan bodyguard, named Ahmed Shah, was able to fill. Ahmad was a Pashtun, and his Pashtun clan was to rule Afghanistan, in one form or another, for the next 200 years.

Ahmad was able to unify the different Afghan tribes, and went on to conquer considerable parts of what are today eastern Iran, Pakistan, northern India and Uzbekistan. His successors though proved unable to hold his vast empire together, and within 50 years much of it had been seized by rival regional powers. Within the country there were numerous bloody civil wars for the throne, and for many Afghanis it meant little that their lives were now being uprooted and destroyed by ethnic kin, as opposed to foreign invaders.

Beginning in the 1800s Afghanistan’s internal affairs became dramatically aggravated by the increasing intervention by two new imperialist powers – the British Empire and Czarist Russia. The British were expanding and consolidating their colonial holdings on the India sub-continent, and were looking at the Hindu Kush mountains of Afghanistan as a natural barrier to prevent invasion by rival imperialists. The Russians, for their part, were expanding south and east, swallowing up several formerly independent sultanates and emirates in Central Asia. The two great powers essentially engaged in a race for Afghanistan, and their fiendish seizures of land, overthrow of indigenous nations and reckless interference into the affairs of the remaining independent states in the region became known as “the Great Game.”

Imperialists often give such trivial, and even humorous, sounding names to their interventionist schemes, but don’t be fooled into thinking that the peoples of the region experienced the consequences of these actions in a manner that they in any way would have interpreted as a game. For them the consequences were devastating. The arrival of European imperialism into the region simply accelerated, and made more devastating, the wars, poverty and material destruction that had already wracked the region.

During this time, on two separate occasions, British armies from India outright invaded Afghanistan in attempts to install puppet governments amenable to British economic interests, and that would oppose the economic interests of Czarist Russia.

The first, which became known as the First Anglo-Afghan War, took place in 1838. Outraged by the presence of a single Russian diplomat in Kabul, the British demanded that Afghanistan shun any contact with Russia or Iran, and that it hand over vast tracts of Pashtun inhabited land to British India (regions that are today party of Pakistan). Dost Mohammad, the Afghan ruler, agreed to these humiliating demands, but the British still invaded the country. The British seized most of the major cities in Afghanistan with little resistance, but their heavy handed rule soon resulted in a popular uprising by the people which resulted in the massacre of the entire British army of 15,000, save one.

British outrage over the uninvited arrival of a Russian diplomatic envoy in Kabul in 1878 resulted in the Second Anglo-Afghan War. Again the British were able to occupy all of the major cities, but unlike the last time, the British got wind of an impending rebellion against their occupation, and brutally crushed it in a pre-emptive move. They did subsequently withdraw, but not before they set up a puppet ruler and forced the country to hand over control of its foreign affairs to Britain.

Afghanistan would remain a British protectorate until 1919. Then, following the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 and the wave of popular rebellions that rippled through Asia subsequently, the then king of Afghanistan, Amanullah, declared his country’s full independence by singing a treaty of aid and friendship with Lenin, and declaring war on Britain. After a brief period of border skirmishes, and the bombing of Kabul by the Royal Air Force, Britain conceded Afghanistan’s independence. Stung by this turn of events though, Britain conspired with conservative religious and land owning elements with the country who were unhappy with Amanullah’s attempts to secularize and reform the country. The outbreak of an uprising and civil war forced him to abdicate in 1929. Different warlords contended for power until a new king, Muhammad Nadir Shah took power. He was assassinated four years later by the son of a state execution victim, and was succeeded by Muhammad Zahir Shah, who was to be Afghanistan’s last king, and who would rule for the next 40 years.

Zahir Shah’s rule, like the kings before him, was one of almost total autocratic power. The word of the king was the word of law. And while advisory councils and assemblies were sometimes called to advise the king, these bodies had no power, and in no way represented the people of Afghanistan. These bodies were made up of the country’s tribal elders – a nice sounding term that in reality referred to the brutal land owners and patriarchs. And while some history books refer to this time of Afghanistan’s history as one where attempts were made to “modernize” the country – all this really meant was newer rifles for the army, the purchase a few airplanes for a token air force, the creation of a tiny airline to shuttle the ruling elite around, and some telegraph wires to allow the king to collect this taxes more promptly. Under his rule political parties were outlawed, and students were shot and killed when they protested.

In 1973, the king was overthrown and a republic was declared. But this in reality represented very little. For the king had simply been overthrown by a prominent member of his own family, Daoud, who decided to title himself president instead of king.

Under Daoud a certain liberalization took place, meaning that some of the most draconian realities of the monarchy were rolled back, but by and large whatever hopes and expectations arose among the people – little was done to satisfy them.

Daoud had seized power with the help of an underground party named the Peoples Democratic Party of Afghanistan – a pro-Moscow communist party. The PDPA had aided and collaborated with Daoud in exchange for government posts. Once he had consolidated power though and felt he no longer needed these controversial allies, he ditched them, and ordered a crack down upon the party.

In 1978 the PDPA seized power from Daoud in a military coup. After seizing power they began a series of limited reforms, such as declaring, more or less, a secular state, and that women were deserving of equal treatment of men. They sought to curtail the practice of purchasing brides, and tried to implement a land reform program. They quickly met with fierce opposition from many sections of the deeply religious population though. The PDPA’s response to this was very heavy-handed, aggravating the situation. Soon several rural areas rose in open armed rebellion against the new government.

At the same time, the party’s long history of factionalism came to a bloody head as the more radical wing of the party sought to wipe out the more moderate leaning wing.

Immediately following the PDPA coup, the Soviet Union took an active interest in the so-called socialist revolution unfolding in its backyard. Dismayed by the clumsiness of the radical faction of the PDPA, the Soviet Union invaded in 1979 and handed power over a man named Karmal, who was the leader of the more moderate faction of the PDPA.

Though perhaps this was not the Soviets original intent, once inside Afghanistan, they found themselves forced to commit more and more troops and material to prop up the unpopular PDPA government. Several Islamic fundamentalist groups sprang up and began waging guerilla warfare, many of them operating from camps set up by the CIA and Pakistani Intelligence within Pakistan, from which they could strike into Afghanistan, and then beat a hasty retreat over a guarded border.

For its part, the United States government initially paid little attention to the PDPA coup in Afghanistan; its attention was instead focused to the west, where a popular revolution has overthrown their most valuable Middle East ally, the brutal and autocratic Shah of Iran. This changed of course once the Soviet Union sent troops into Afghanistan.

At that point the United States took an active interest in the Islamic fundamentalists waging war on the PDPA and the Soviets. The CIA began providing military training to the Mujahadeen – the name the Islamic guerillas came to be called. They provided what in the end amounted to billions of dollars worth of weapons, including sophisticated anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles that allowed the guerillas to take out modern Soviet tanks and jet planes.

After offensive after offensive, year after year, gradually the Soviet military became discouraged. They were able to occupy and hold all of the major cities, just at the British imperialists had been able to the century before, but they were unable to subjugate the countryside. Soviet causalities began to mount dramatically, and with the CIA’s providing the Mujahadeen with Stinger missiles, even their control of the air was becoming a costly affair.

At the same time the CIA kept increasing and updating the Mujahadeen’s supply of weaponry, the Saudis and Persian Gulf Emirates contributed billions of dollars to their coffers, and thousands of Arabs responded to the Mujahadeen’s call for jihad, or holy war, against the secular Soviets – including the wealthy Saudi playboy, Osama bin Laden – who quickly became one of the CIA’s most important operatives in its proxy war against communism.

In 1989 the Soviets withdrew, leaving the PDPA government to fend for itself. The CIA soon lost interest in its mercenary forces now that they had accomplished their mission of bleeding the Soviets white. The misc. Mujahadeen factions began fighting as much with themselves as with the PDPA forces, resulting in increased suffering and bloodshed. It wasn’t until 1992 that Mujahadeen fighters were able to topple the remnants of the PDPA government – ending the Stalinists attempts to bring revolution to the people of Afghanistan at the point of a gun.

Different Mujahadeen warlords occupied different cities and regions of the country. Burhanuddin Rabbani, the same Northern Alliance warlord who recently took Kabul from the Taliban, was the warlord who ruled over the city from 1992 until his ouster in 1996. During his reign over 60,000 people were murdered and thousands of women were raped. Current Northern Alliance warlord Rashid Dostum who is in control of the city of Mazar –E – Sharif, also ruled over it from 1992 until his ouster in 1997. Similarly the warlord Ismail Khan again rules the city of Heart, which he also ruled from 1992 to 1995; and warlord Yunis Khalis is back in control of Jalabad, which he ruled from 1992 to 1996.

The collapse of the PDPA government did not mark the end of Afghanistan’s civil war. The Mujahadeen warlords continued to bring death and destruction upon the country as they fought over the spoils, and sought to enlarge their new fiefdoms at the expense of their neighboring rivals.

While the CIA, after having done such a fine job of instigating unrest and warfare in the 1980s, could care less about the aftermath, Pakistani Intelligence forces maintained their interest. Seeking to end the civil war which threatened the stability of their own country – itself a prison house of many nationalities – Pakistani Intelligence aided in the creation of a new Islamic fundamentalist movement, the Taliban. The Taliban was born in the Islamic schools that had sprung up inside the Afghan refugee camps inside Pakistan. Its leadership and the bulk of its initial ranks, were made up of young religious students, primarily Pashtuns, motivated by the zeal of religion and the belief that they were ordained to bring stability and the ways of Allah back to their war torn land. They railed against the corruption, greed and factionalism of the contending Mujahadeen factions inside Afghanistan, and when they mounted a military push to conquer the country, they were initially well received by certain sections of the weary population. Their ranks were filled by rank and file Mujahadeen fighters and young idealists from inside the country, and city-by-city they were able to occupy most of the country. In 1996 they captured the capital city of Kabul, and had forced most of the remaining warlords into a small pocket in the far north of the country. These warlords subsequently formed a defensive alliance termed the Northern Alliance. By the time of the start of the current war, Taliban offensives had reduced their enclave to a mere 10% of the country.

Once in power the Taliban sought to create a theocratic state based on their interpretations of the Koran. Though already severely repressed by the various Mujahadeen warlords, the plight of Afghanistan’s women was made even worse under the new regime. The veil became the law of the land, and women were forbidden from attending school or holding employment outside of the home. Television was banned and an effort was made to purge the country of any signs or remnants of secular or Western influence. The country became politically and diplomatically isolated.

Then came the current war. Following the September 11 World Trade Center bombings the United States accused Osama Bin Laden of the crime. Bin Laden, who had left Afghanistan following the defeat of the Soviets, had returned after falling out of favor in Saudi Arabia, and being pressured to leave his first nation of refuge, the Sudan.

The U.S. government demanded that the Taliban hand over Bin Laden. The Taliban’s response was to demand proof of Bin Laden’s guilt, and after receiving none, they refused to hand him over.

Within a few weeks the United States began bombing the impoverished country, as well as providing active support to the Northern Alliance warlords. Following weeks of devastating bombing, and several failed offensives, the Northern Alliance succeeded in breaking out of its northern enclave, seizing the city of Mazar – E – Sharif, and then moving on to take Kabul. This set in motion a series of defeats for the Taliban, which began surrendering and abandoning almost every major city in the country, and retreating into the mountains. The U.S. meanwhile has continued its bombing campaign, and now has Marines on the ground hunting for Bin Laden. All the while the people of Afghanistan continue to suffer.

The United Nations, hardly a radical source of information, has estimated that up to 8 million Afghanis may starve this winter due to a shortage of food, made all the more severe by the intentional U.S. disruption of humanitarian aid, and bombing of Red Cross and other humanitarian aid facilities inside the country. At least hundreds, and more likely thousands, have been killed by U.S. bombs, and many more are dieing as the Northern Alliance and Taliban warlords fight it out. Hundreds of thousands of land mines and unexploded cluster bombs lay scattered across the nation’s landscape. And there is no end in sight to the misery.

It’s hard to say how much longer the Taliban will continue to fight, or when the U.S. will end its war. Afghanistan’s future, like its past, looks very dark indeed. Currently Northern Alliance warlords, southern Pashtun warlords, opportunistic émigré politicians, and even supporters of the aging deposed autocrat King Zahir Shah, are arguing about who will be the exploiter-in-chief of the devastated land. Most likely they will come up with some sort of coalition government – that will perhaps hold the different factions together, perhaps not. In the end it matters little, since none of the figures involved represent the people of this country, and none of them seem to have ever had their interests at heart.

What is the solution for Afghanistan? What will end the suffering of its people? lets hope one day United States will stop bombing and Pakistani Punjabi stop playing games with ur people

[jatt]

now about Bollywood stars being afghanis...can u tell which one are from current Afghanistan and do they look like afghanis .... lol lier lier pants on fire...

[Arhat]

now lets check pashtoons ... very beutifull people but not like jatts.. they look like kashmiris.

http://blogs.msf.org/sites/blogs/files/afghanistan/files/2013/04/IMG_3234_530.jpg

young men from Kabul

http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/800-7/photos/1318320066-protest-against-pakistan-in-kabul-_867897.jpg

Kabul crowd .. looks good

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1655000/images/_1656274_pgafghanmusic.jpg

Kabul men..whiter one is mongoloid influenced.. good looking sweet folks

http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/800_jsjrysue64taztvwyypby0yagc1bymeb.jpg

police baton charging handsome pashtoons

http://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2014/03/27/8e5cfedc-4ae9-432b-a11f-0e46caf9261c/8e5cfedc-4ae9-432b-a11f-0e46caf9261c_16x9_600x338.jpg

beutifull mountaneous Kashmiri type people

this obsession of some indians for pashtuns is really creepy. Why you want to be associated with us so much? I really dont get it. Pashtuns are diverse looking people like every ethnic group and nobody is denying that some have visible south asian influences but they are still dominated by west asian genes and phenotypes. I could cherrypick some pics of very light atypical pashtuns and then argue that pashtuns are europeans because they have 10-17% european admixture( afghan pashtuns have almost as much as european admixture as south asian admixture) .Of course this would be bullshit but you and other people try to argue the same kind of bullshit here again and again.

[jatt]

this obsession of some indians for pashtuns is really creepy. Why you want to be associated with us so much? I really dont get it. Pashtuns are diverse looking people like every ethnic group and nobody is denying that some have visible south asian influences but they are still dominated by west asian genes and phenotypes. I could cherrypick some pics of very light atypical pashtuns and then argue that pashtuns are europeans because they have 10-17% european admixture( afghan pashtuns have almost as much as european admixture as south asian admixture) .Of course this would be bullshit but you and other people try to argue the same kind of bullshit here again and again.

I didn't cherry picked pashtoons or Punjabis... that's why I posted crowd pictures ... If I wanted to cherry pick I would been posted hritik roshan types.. anyways I don't know what is obsession of pashtoons to deny they look like kashmiris... there is suble difference in phenotype but they can pass in each others lands... while west Asians are different vastly

[scytsar]

buddy it seems you aint aware of your own history or invent history to make pashtoons something which they aint.. heres Afghanistan history in nutshell.. here it goes

The story of Afghanistan is in so many ways a very tragic one. Afghanistan is one of the most impoverished nations of the world. It is one of the most war-torn, most ravaged, and most beleaguered of nations. It is a nation that has been beset by invasion, external pressure and internal upheaval since before the time of Alexander the Great. Its people are a people who have endured more than most of us can ever imagine. In fact, for many Afghanis, all that has changed in the last one thousand years are the weapons which have been used against so many of them.

ch ch ch sad really


First of all, who are the Afghanis? Afghanistan has historically been the link between Central Asia, the Middle East and the Indian sub-continent. It is therefore a nation made up of many different nationalities – the result of innumerable invasions and migrations. Within its current borders there are at least a dozen major ethnic groups – Baluch, Chahar Aimak, Turkmen, Hazara, Pashtun, Tajik, Uzbek, Nuristani, Arab, Kirghiz, Pashai and Persian.

Historically the Pashtun nationality has been the most dominant. The term Afghan, for example, generally is viewed by other peoples in the country to refer to the Pashtuns. The royal families of the country were Pashtun, and today the Pashtun represent about 50% of the total population. Tajiks come in second with 25%, and the rest make up considerably smaller percentages.

Within the country there are tiny Hindu, Sikh and Jewish communities, but the vast majority of this people are Muslims – and in fact many ethnic groups consider Islam to be one of the defining aspects of their ethnic identity. This is true of the Pashtun for example.

Islam was brought to Afghanistan during the eight and ninth century by the Arabs. Prior to that the nation had been ruled by various Persian, Greek, Sassasian and Central Asian empires. Following a subsequent break down in Arab rule, semi-independent states began to form. These local dynasties and states however were overwhelmed and crushed during the Mongolian invasions of the 1200s – conquerors who were to remain in control of part or all of the country until the 1500s, despite much resistance and internal strife. Following the collapse of Mongol rule, Afghanistan found itself in a situation much like what has continued into modern times – caught between the vice of two great powers. During this time it was the Mughals of northern India and the Safavids of Iran that fought over the mountains and valleys of Afghanistan. Armies marched to and fro devastating the land and murdering the people, laying siege to city after city, and destroying whatever had been left by the invading army that preceded it.

It was not until 1747 that Afghanistan was able to free itself. This was the year that Nadir Shah, an empire builder from Iran, died and left a vacuum in central Asia that a former Afghan bodyguard, named Ahmed Shah, was able to fill. Ahmad was a Pashtun, and his Pashtun clan was to rule Afghanistan, in one form or another, for the next 200 years.

Ahmad was able to unify the different Afghan tribes, and went on to conquer considerable parts of what are today eastern Iran, Pakistan, northern India and Uzbekistan. His successors though proved unable to hold his vast empire together, and within 50 years much of it had been seized by rival regional powers. Within the country there were numerous bloody civil wars for the throne, and for many Afghanis it meant little that their lives were now being uprooted and destroyed by ethnic kin, as opposed to foreign invaders.

Beginning in the 1800s Afghanistan’s internal affairs became dramatically aggravated by the increasing intervention by two new imperialist powers – the British Empire and Czarist Russia. The British were expanding and consolidating their colonial holdings on the India sub-continent, and were looking at the Hindu Kush mountains of Afghanistan as a natural barrier to prevent invasion by rival imperialists. The Russians, for their part, were expanding south and east, swallowing up several formerly independent sultanates and emirates in Central Asia. The two great powers essentially engaged in a race for Afghanistan, and their fiendish seizures of land, overthrow of indigenous nations and reckless interference into the affairs of the remaining independent states in the region became known as “the Great Game.”

Imperialists often give such trivial, and even humorous, sounding names to their interventionist schemes, but don’t be fooled into thinking that the peoples of the region experienced the consequences of these actions in a manner that they in any way would have interpreted as a game. For them the consequences were devastating. The arrival of European imperialism into the region simply accelerated, and made more devastating, the wars, poverty and material destruction that had already wracked the region.

During this time, on two separate occasions, British armies from India outright invaded Afghanistan in attempts to install puppet governments amenable to British economic interests, and that would oppose the economic interests of Czarist Russia.

The first, which became known as the First Anglo-Afghan War, took place in 1838. Outraged by the presence of a single Russian diplomat in Kabul, the British demanded that Afghanistan shun any contact with Russia or Iran, and that it hand over vast tracts of Pashtun inhabited land to British India (regions that are today party of Pakistan). Dost Mohammad, the Afghan ruler, agreed to these humiliating demands, but the British still invaded the country. The British seized most of the major cities in Afghanistan with little resistance, but their heavy handed rule soon resulted in a popular uprising by the people which resulted in the massacre of the entire British army of 15,000, save one.

British outrage over the uninvited arrival of a Russian diplomatic envoy in Kabul in 1878 resulted in the Second Anglo-Afghan War. Again the British were able to occupy all of the major cities, but unlike the last time, the British got wind of an impending rebellion against their occupation, and brutally crushed it in a pre-emptive move. They did subsequently withdraw, but not before they set up a puppet ruler and forced the country to hand over control of its foreign affairs to Britain.

Afghanistan would remain a British protectorate until 1919. Then, following the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 and the wave of popular rebellions that rippled through Asia subsequently, the then king of Afghanistan, Amanullah, declared his country’s full independence by singing a treaty of aid and friendship with Lenin, and declaring war on Britain. After a brief period of border skirmishes, and the bombing of Kabul by the Royal Air Force, Britain conceded Afghanistan’s independence. Stung by this turn of events though, Britain conspired with conservative religious and land owning elements with the country who were unhappy with Amanullah’s attempts to secularize and reform the country. The outbreak of an uprising and civil war forced him to abdicate in 1929. Different warlords contended for power until a new king, Muhammad Nadir Shah took power. He was assassinated four years later by the son of a state execution victim, and was succeeded by Muhammad Zahir Shah, who was to be Afghanistan’s last king, and who would rule for the next 40 years.

Zahir Shah’s rule, like the kings before him, was one of almost total autocratic power. The word of the king was the word of law. And while advisory councils and assemblies were sometimes called to advise the king, these bodies had no power, and in no way represented the people of Afghanistan. These bodies were made up of the country’s tribal elders – a nice sounding term that in reality referred to the brutal land owners and patriarchs. And while some history books refer to this time of Afghanistan’s history as one where attempts were made to “modernize” the country – all this really meant was newer rifles for the army, the purchase a few airplanes for a token air force, the creation of a tiny airline to shuttle the ruling elite around, and some telegraph wires to allow the king to collect this taxes more promptly. Under his rule political parties were outlawed, and students were shot and killed when they protested.

In 1973, the king was overthrown and a republic was declared. But this in reality represented very little. For the king had simply been overthrown by a prominent member of his own family, Daoud, who decided to title himself president instead of king.

Under Daoud a certain liberalization took place, meaning that some of the most draconian realities of the monarchy were rolled back, but by and large whatever hopes and expectations arose among the people – little was done to satisfy them.

Daoud had seized power with the help of an underground party named the Peoples Democratic Party of Afghanistan – a pro-Moscow communist party. The PDPA had aided and collaborated with Daoud in exchange for government posts. Once he had consolidated power though and felt he no longer needed these controversial allies, he ditched them, and ordered a crack down upon the party.

In 1978 the PDPA seized power from Daoud in a military coup. After seizing power they began a series of limited reforms, such as declaring, more or less, a secular state, and that women were deserving of equal treatment of men. They sought to curtail the practice of purchasing brides, and tried to implement a land reform program. They quickly met with fierce opposition from many sections of the deeply religious population though. The PDPA’s response to this was very heavy-handed, aggravating the situation. Soon several rural areas rose in open armed rebellion against the new government.

At the same time, the party’s long history of factionalism came to a bloody head as the more radical wing of the party sought to wipe out the more moderate leaning wing.

Immediately following the PDPA coup, the Soviet Union took an active interest in the so-called socialist revolution unfolding in its backyard. Dismayed by the clumsiness of the radical faction of the PDPA, the Soviet Union invaded in 1979 and handed power over a man named Karmal, who was the leader of the more moderate faction of the PDPA.

Though perhaps this was not the Soviets original intent, once inside Afghanistan, they found themselves forced to commit more and more troops and material to prop up the unpopular PDPA government. Several Islamic fundamentalist groups sprang up and began waging guerilla warfare, many of them operating from camps set up by the CIA and Pakistani Intelligence within Pakistan, from which they could strike into Afghanistan, and then beat a hasty retreat over a guarded border.

For its part, the United States government initially paid little attention to the PDPA coup in Afghanistan; its attention was instead focused to the west, where a popular revolution has overthrown their most valuable Middle East ally, the brutal and autocratic Shah of Iran. This changed of course once the Soviet Union sent troops into Afghanistan.

At that point the United States took an active interest in the Islamic fundamentalists waging war on the PDPA and the Soviets. The CIA began providing military training to the Mujahadeen – the name the Islamic guerillas came to be called. They provided what in the end amounted to billions of dollars worth of weapons, including sophisticated anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles that allowed the guerillas to take out modern Soviet tanks and jet planes.

After offensive after offensive, year after year, gradually the Soviet military became discouraged. They were able to occupy and hold all of the major cities, just at the British imperialists had been able to the century before, but they were unable to subjugate the countryside. Soviet causalities began to mount dramatically, and with the CIA’s providing the Mujahadeen with Stinger missiles, even their control of the air was becoming a costly affair.

At the same time the CIA kept increasing and updating the Mujahadeen’s supply of weaponry, the Saudis and Persian Gulf Emirates contributed billions of dollars to their coffers, and thousands of Arabs responded to the Mujahadeen’s call for jihad, or holy war, against the secular Soviets – including the wealthy Saudi playboy, Osama bin Laden – who quickly became one of the CIA’s most important operatives in its proxy war against communism.

In 1989 the Soviets withdrew, leaving the PDPA government to fend for itself. The CIA soon lost interest in its mercenary forces now that they had accomplished their mission of bleeding the Soviets white. The misc. Mujahadeen factions began fighting as much with themselves as with the PDPA forces, resulting in increased suffering and bloodshed. It wasn’t until 1992 that Mujahadeen fighters were able to topple the remnants of the PDPA government – ending the Stalinists attempts to bring revolution to the people of Afghanistan at the point of a gun.

Different Mujahadeen warlords occupied different cities and regions of the country. Burhanuddin Rabbani, the same Northern Alliance warlord who recently took Kabul from the Taliban, was the warlord who ruled over the city from 1992 until his ouster in 1996. During his reign over 60,000 people were murdered and thousands of women were raped. Current Northern Alliance warlord Rashid Dostum who is in control of the city of Mazar –E – Sharif, also ruled over it from 1992 until his ouster in 1997. Similarly the warlord Ismail Khan again rules the city of Heart, which he also ruled from 1992 to 1995; and warlord Yunis Khalis is back in control of Jalabad, which he ruled from 1992 to 1996.

The collapse of the PDPA government did not mark the end of Afghanistan’s civil war. The Mujahadeen warlords continued to bring death and destruction upon the country as they fought over the spoils, and sought to enlarge their new fiefdoms at the expense of their neighboring rivals.

While the CIA, after having done such a fine job of instigating unrest and warfare in the 1980s, could care less about the aftermath, Pakistani Intelligence forces maintained their interest. Seeking to end the civil war which threatened the stability of their own country – itself a prison house of many nationalities – Pakistani Intelligence aided in the creation of a new Islamic fundamentalist movement, the Taliban. The Taliban was born in the Islamic schools that had sprung up inside the Afghan refugee camps inside Pakistan. Its leadership and the bulk of its initial ranks, were made up of young religious students, primarily Pashtuns, motivated by the zeal of religion and the belief that they were ordained to bring stability and the ways of Allah back to their war torn land. They railed against the corruption, greed and factionalism of the contending Mujahadeen factions inside Afghanistan, and when they mounted a military push to conquer the country, they were initially well received by certain sections of the weary population. Their ranks were filled by rank and file Mujahadeen fighters and young idealists from inside the country, and city-by-city they were able to occupy most of the country. In 1996 they captured the capital city of Kabul, and had forced most of the remaining warlords into a small pocket in the far north of the country. These warlords subsequently formed a defensive alliance termed the Northern Alliance. By the time of the start of the current war, Taliban offensives had reduced their enclave to a mere 10% of the country.

Once in power the Taliban sought to create a theocratic state based on their interpretations of the Koran. Though already severely repressed by the various Mujahadeen warlords, the plight of Afghanistan’s women was made even worse under the new regime. The veil became the law of the land, and women were forbidden from attending school or holding employment outside of the home. Television was banned and an effort was made to purge the country of any signs or remnants of secular or Western influence. The country became politically and diplomatically isolated.

Then came the current war. Following the September 11 World Trade Center bombings the United States accused Osama Bin Laden of the crime. Bin Laden, who had left Afghanistan following the defeat of the Soviets, had returned after falling out of favor in Saudi Arabia, and being pressured to leave his first nation of refuge, the Sudan.

The U.S. government demanded that the Taliban hand over Bin Laden. The Taliban’s response was to demand proof of Bin Laden’s guilt, and after receiving none, they refused to hand him over.

Within a few weeks the United States began bombing the impoverished country, as well as providing active support to the Northern Alliance warlords. Following weeks of devastating bombing, and several failed offensives, the Northern Alliance succeeded in breaking out of its northern enclave, seizing the city of Mazar – E – Sharif, and then moving on to take Kabul. This set in motion a series of defeats for the Taliban, which began surrendering and abandoning almost every major city in the country, and retreating into the mountains. The U.S. meanwhile has continued its bombing campaign, and now has Marines on the ground hunting for Bin Laden. All the while the people of Afghanistan continue to suffer.

The United Nations, hardly a radical source of information, has estimated that up to 8 million Afghanis may starve this winter due to a shortage of food, made all the more severe by the intentional U.S. disruption of humanitarian aid, and bombing of Red Cross and other humanitarian aid facilities inside the country. At least hundreds, and more likely thousands, have been killed by U.S. bombs, and many more are dieing as the Northern Alliance and Taliban warlords fight it out. Hundreds of thousands of land mines and unexploded cluster bombs lay scattered across the nation’s landscape. And there is no end in sight to the misery.

It’s hard to say how much longer the Taliban will continue to fight, or when the U.S. will end its war. Afghanistan’s future, like its past, looks very dark indeed. Currently Northern Alliance warlords, southern Pashtun warlords, opportunistic émigré politicians, and even supporters of the aging deposed autocrat King Zahir Shah, are arguing about who will be the exploiter-in-chief of the devastated land. Most likely they will come up with some sort of coalition government – that will perhaps hold the different factions together, perhaps not. In the end it matters little, since none of the figures involved represent the people of this country, and none of them seem to have ever had their interests at heart.

What is the solution for Afghanistan? What will end the suffering of its people? lets hope one day United States will stop bombing and Pakistani Punjabi stop playing games with ur people

You literally copy pasted this, fuck off

[scytsar]

I didn't cherry picked pashtoons or Punjabis... that's why I posted crowd pictures ... If I wanted to cherry pick I would been posted hritik roshan types.. anyways I don't know what is obsession of pashtoons to deny they look like kashmiris... there is suble difference in phenotype but they can pass in each others lands... while west Asians are different vastly

You're cherry picking quite a lot, posting old people and poor people for us whereas you're posting westernized, in western clothing people for yourself.

No matter what I do when I post normal pashtuns you'll keep denying it, just go back to sitting on the ground and eating your dal m8 and while you're doing that take a few moments to reflect on how obsessed you are, I'm glad I know many indians in real life that aren't retarded so gladly they don't share your opinion. You're taking your wacko opinion over mine, an afghan who's met shittons of afghans, who's been to kabul a few times and who's definitely is more well read and literate than you. I'll remind you once again your inferiority complex shines more and more with every post you make.

In fact I just went through some of your posts, you whole character and objective on this site is "hurr durr we jats r so cool and gud lukng x-Ddd" if that doesn't scream inferiority complex then what does?

You're out of your mind, in the other thread you were saying how pashtuns are mongoloid, how tajiks are mongoloid when clearly it seems you've never met any one of us.

[back_up]

now lets check pashtoons ... very beutifull people but not like jatts.. they look like kashmiris.

http://blogs.msf.org/sites/blogs/files/afghanistan/files/2013/04/IMG_3234_530.jpg

young men from Kabul

http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/800-7/photos/1318320066-protest-against-pakistan-in-kabul-_867897.jpg

Kabul crowd .. looks good

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1655000/images/_1656274_pgafghanmusic.jpg

Kabul men..whiter one is mongoloid influenced.. good looking sweet folks

http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/800_jsjrysue64taztvwyypby0yagc1bymeb.jpg

police baton charging handsome pashtoons

http://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2014/03/27/8e5cfedc-4ae9-432b-a11f-0e46caf9261c/8e5cfedc-4ae9-432b-a11f-0e46caf9261c_16x9_600x338.jpg

beutifull mountaneous Kashmiri type people

[back_up]

now lets check pashtoons ... very beutifull people but not like jatts.. they look like kashmiris.

http://blogs.msf.org/sites/blogs/files/afghanistan/files/2013/04/IMG_3234_530.jpg

young men from Kabul

http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/800-7/photos/1318320066-protest-against-pakistan-in-kabul-_867897.jpg

Kabul crowd .. looks good

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1655000/images/_1656274_pgafghanmusic.jpg

Kabul men..whiter one is mongoloid influenced.. good looking sweet folks

http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/800_jsjrysue64taztvwyypby0yagc1bymeb.jpg

police baton charging handsome pashtoons

http://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2014/03/27/8e5cfedc-4ae9-432b-a11f-0e46caf9261c/8e5cfedc-4ae9-432b-a11f-0e46caf9261c_16x9_600x338.jpg

beutifull mountaneous Kashmiri type people

Since i am not self hater like you, i will not deny any of them. They are pashtuns just like the ones i posted are punjabis. The fact that you hate how your kind look should be enough to know who is self hater...

[scytsar]

Since i am not self hater like you, i will not deny any of them. They are pashtuns just like the ones i posted are punjabis. The fact that you hate how your kind look should be enough to know who is self hater...

he's an absolute moron, the last picture he posted isn't even from kashmir but from afghanistan, just take a look at the banner they're holding up, a picture of zalmay rassoul, ahmad zia massoud and habiba sarabi - and I don't deny that a bunch of kashmiris look like pashtuns

It's safe to say this guy's a complete idiot

[zarzian]

Pashtuns are a hardy central Asian Iranic type as is proven by looking at the majority of them and their background as great warriors, but there is an undeniable South Asian infusion into said population, increasing as one goes further south east into the region, but this is totally expected as the Pashtuns are the most eastern Iranic people, so they should plot somewhat close to South Asian while still retaining their Iranic core.

IT is obvious the OP is got a personal agenda against Pashtuns or is a troll.

[jatt]

You're cherry picking quite a lot, posting old people and poor people for us whereas you're posting westernized, in western clothing people for yourself.

No matter what I do when I post normal pashtuns you'll keep denying it, just go back to sitting on the ground and eating your dal m8 and while you're doing that take a few moments to reflect on how obsessed you are, I'm glad I know many indians in real life that aren't retarded so gladly they don't share your opinion. You're taking your wacko opinion over mine, an afghan who's met shittons of afghans, who's been to kabul a few times and who's definitely is more well read and literate than you. I'll remind you once again your inferiority complex shines more and more with every post you make.

In fact I just went through some of your posts, you whole character and objective on this site is "hurr durr we jats r so cool and gud lukng x-Ddd" if that doesn't scream inferiority complex then what does?

You're out of your mind, in the other thread you were saying how pashtuns are mongoloid, how tajiks are mongoloid when clearly it seems you've never met any one of us.
you are now making false accusations. I know lot of afghans and if you so desire I can give you their phone numbers, they aint like internet afghans. the afghans I know are confident and proud south Asians. even though they speak dari or Pashto which is closer to Persian they don't show same comradrie with them and Pakistanis as internet afghans. many of you keep on harping about how some of the pashtoon get mistaken for westerners or west Asians..what u think it is only you who get mistaken.. heck we Punjabi sometimes mistook Punjabis. have you ever worked in place where you gotta interact with lot of people. you say you are learned person then howco,me you denying this simple logic that pashtoons as majority of them live in south asia are south Asian. middle easterners are all various grop of p[eople whom live in middle east. lets agree to disagree pashtoons are iranic then so what you live in south asia.
ask your expatriate community in middle eastern nations do people view them middle easterns..being proud about your nationalily is not inferiority complex but denying and associating with others reeks nferioty complex .. hope you my learned friend will get this..stop claiming foolishly u are lost tribe or jews, west Asian n shit .... I m not hating on afghans I hate the sense of low self confidence n self respect among internet afghans..don't hate on me for being blunt and truthfull. I am friend of afghan and we Sikhs don't care about historical enemities we look forward.

[Arhat]

you are now making false accusations. I know lot of afghans and if you so desire I can give you their phone numbers, they aint like internet afghans. the afghans I know are confident and proud south Asians. even though they speak dari or Pashto which is closer to Persian they don't show same comradrie with them and Pakistanis as internet afghans. many of you keep on harping about how some of the pashtoon get mistaken for westerners or west Asians..what u think it is only you who get mistaken.. heck we Punjabi sometimes mistook Punjabis. have you ever worked in place where you gotta interact with lot of people. you say you are learned person then howco,me you denying this simple logic that pashtoons as majority of them live in south asia are south Asian. middle easterners are all various grop of p[eople whom live in middle east. lets agree to disagree pashtoons are iranic then so what you live in south asia.
ask your expatriate community in middle eastern nations do people view them middle easterns..being proud about your nationalily is not inferiority complex but denying and associating with others reeks nferioty complex .. hope you my learned friend will get this..stop claiming foolishly u are lost tribe or jews, west Asian n shit .... I m not hating on afghans I hate the sense of low self confidence n self respect among internet afghans..don't hate on me for being blunt and truthfull. I am friend of afghan and we Sikhs don't care about historical enemities we look forward.

hahahahaha are you serious? in my whole life i have never met one (real) afghan/pashtun who has a south asian identity or considers himself as south asian/desi. I dont care about the south asian identity of sikhs and hindus who lived in afghanistan and you met .They are not afghans and they all came as slaves or merchants to afghanistan in the last 200 years. No real afghan has a south asian identity. You are even not funny anymore and just creepy now. Afghans are muslims,speak an eastern iranic language,look not like dark desis,are dominated by non-south asian genes and have an mentality and culture which is as far as possible away from the mentality and culture of south asians .Afghans are eastern iranic and not desis like some obsessed indians dream in their wet dreams.

[jatt]

hahahahaha are you serious? in my whole life i have never met one (real) afghan/pashtun who has a south asian identity or considers himself as south asian/desi. I dont care about the south asian identity of sikhs and hindus who lived in afghanistan and you met .They are not afghans and they all came as slaves or merchants to afghanistan in the last 200 years. No real afghan has a south asian identity. You are even not funny anymore and just creepy now. Afghans are muslims,speak an eastern iranic language,look not like dark desis,are dominated by non-south asian genes and have an mentality and culture which is as far as possible away from the mentality and culture of south asians .Afghans are eastern iranic and not desis like some obsessed indians dream in their wet dreams. Look dude Sikhs were your masters before British that's y some of them were in Afghanistan just like we have pashtoons in Amritsar. Don't be an idiot spreading stupid illogical shit. When did I said I met Hindus and Sikhs of Afghanistan. There are many afghan tow truck drivers n taxi drivers here. I told them ur countrymen claiming Jews tribes n west Asian shit n he face palmed. Lol anyways whatever floats ur boat. Live in ur world of fantasies mental musterbatng about Sikh Being afghan slaves. Lol.

[Arhat]

Look dude Sikhs were your masters before British that's y some of them were in Afghanistan just like we have pashtoons in Amritsar. Don't be an idiot spreading stupid illogical shit. When did I said I met Hindus and Sikhs of Afghanistan. There are many afghan tow truck drivers n taxi drivers here. I told them ur countrymen claiming Jews tribes n west Asian shit n he face palmed. Lol anyways whatever floats ur boat. Live in ur world of fantasies mental musterbatng about Sikh Being afghan slaves. Lol.

no place in modern afghanistan was ever under sikh control and unlike you we were not the colony of the british empire.Actually we saved our independence.Sorry but even today indians are submissive to most europeans because of that and want to be white like them because of their inferiority complex.

[scytsar]

Look dude Sikhs were your masters before British that's y some of them were in Afghanistan just like we have pashtoons in Amritsar. Don't be an idiot spreading stupid illogical shit. When did I said I met Hindus and Sikhs of Afghanistan. There are many afghan tow truck drivers n taxi drivers here. I told them ur countrymen claiming Jews tribes n west Asian shit n he face palmed. Lol anyways whatever floats ur boat. Live in ur world of fantasies mental musterbatng about Sikh Being afghan slaves. Lol.

err buddy, under various muslim dynasties you were ruled by either pashtuns or tajiks (both my ancestors by the way). Pashtuns literally holocausted your people, not once but twice. Even your precious ranjit singh only made it as far as he did because durrani appointed him as the governor of one of the areas he ruled rather than appointing a muslim like he usually did. It's mostly because of british help that you were able to carve away the pakistani pashtun areas but honestly I don't even care about them. The reverse of my people ruling, enslaving and killing yours for centuries is far greater in magnitude than yours mine.

No afghan considers himself south asian, you were probably bullied by an afghan or two during highschool for being a FOB.

[scytsar]

Honestly I'm just going to stop replying, this guy was dropped on his head as a child and then was bullied at school which is why he's got the inferiority complex he does now.

[scytsar]

you are now making false accusations. I know lot of afghans and if you so desire I can give you their phone numbers, they aint like internet afghans. the afghans I know are confident and proud south Asians. even though they speak dari or Pashto which is closer to Persian they don't show same comradrie with them and Pakistanis as internet afghans. many of you keep on harping about how some of the pashtoon get mistaken for westerners or west Asians..what u think it is only you who get mistaken.. heck we Punjabi sometimes mistook Punjabis. have you ever worked in place where you gotta interact with lot of people. you say you are learned person then howco,me you denying this simple logic that pashtoons as majority of them live in south asia are south Asian. middle easterners are all various grop of p[eople whom live in middle east. lets agree to disagree pashtoons are iranic then so what you live in south asia.
ask your expatriate community in middle eastern nations do people view them middle easterns..being proud about your nationalily is not inferiority complex but denying and associating with others reeks nferioty complex .. hope you my learned friend will get this..stop claiming foolishly u are lost tribe or jews, west Asian n shit .... I m not hating on afghans I hate the sense of low self confidence n self respect among internet afghans..don't hate on me for being blunt and truthfull. I am friend of afghan and we Sikhs don't care about historical enemities we look forward.

Listen, I'll agree pakistani pashtuns, most of them living in the cities will say they are south asian the same way a balochi will say they're south asian. No afghan however will say he's south asian since that's literally incorrect.

And claiming jewishness? m8 you need to learn a little about academia and see that various groups claim various bullshit ancestors and that it's academia and research that seeks to validate these claims, jatts claim to be scythians which is a big joke since there are sources saying their closest ancestors are literally gypsies, but do you see me bringing that up?

Don't bother responding by the way.

[jatt]

Listen, I'll agree pakistani pashtuns, most of them living in the cities will say they are south asian the same way a balochi will say they're south asian. No afghan however will say he's south asian since that's literally incorrect.

And claiming jewishness? m8 you need to learn a little about academia and see that various groups claim various bullshit ancestors and that it's academia and research that seeks to validate these claims, jatts claim to be scythians which is a big joke since there are sources saying their closest ancestors are literally gypsies, but do you see me bringing that up?

Don't bother responding by the way. No jatt even care about Scythian Pythian theory actually. Never knew anyone who cared but there could be truth to it. Regarding gypsies they are ok people their only problem is they steal and bet etc. ever seen a jatt begging in life

[jatt]

Honestly I'm just going to stop replying, this guy was dropped on his head as a child and then was bullied at school which is why he's got the inferiority complex he does now.
Do u know the meaning of inferiority complex. It seems u dont. Inferiority complex is living in South Asia but aiming to be something else. Refuting bogus claims ain't thT.

[jatt]

err buddy, under various muslim dynasties you were ruled by either pashtuns or tajiks (both my ancestors by the way). Pashtuns literally holocausted your people, not once but twice. Even your precious ranjit singh only made it as far as he did because durrani appointed him as the governor of one of the areas he ruled rather than appointing a muslim like he usually did. It's mostly because of british help that you were able to carve away the pakistani pashtun areas but honestly I don't even care about them. The reverse of my people ruling, enslaving and killing yours for centuries is far greater in magnitude than yours mine.

No afghan considers himself south asian, you were probably bullied by an afghan or two during highschool for being a FOB. lol you know what I have met many liers like you in net... you people work as lobourers in brick kilns n your women n kids are beggers at traffic lights ...you are coming in droves in Pakistani cities which later on you will claim you conquered.. lol lol lol lol dude come out of fantasy land you afghans never had any empires...you people are majority Islamic n you know how you became muslims from budhist.... bunch of talibaboons with AK47 doing insurgency against democracy and modern way of living is what you people capable...even today you have no proper army n Pakistani army is doing operation arab e zarb on you..lol.... you got stomach to stop genocide of your brothers and take pashunkhwa from Pakistan... nopes you are only capable of putting bombs on school and killing inncocents.... in front of proper army you shit in pants just like your forefathers....

[Arhat]

lol you know what I have met many liers like you in net... you people work as lobourers in brick kilns n your women n kids are beggers at traffic lights ...you are coming in droves in Pakistani cities which later on you will claim you conquered.. lol lol lol lol dude come out of fantasy land you afghans never had any empires...you people are majority Islamic n you know how you became muslims from budhist.... bunch of talibaboons with AK47 doing insurgency against democracy and modern way of living is what you people capable...even today you have no proper army n Pakistani army is doing operation arab e zarb on you..lol.... you got stomach to stop genocide of your brothers and take pashunkhwa from Pakistan... nopes you are only capable of putting bombs on school and killing inncocents.... in front of proper army you shit in pants just like your forefathers....

seriously this post tells us more about your own inferiority complex than about afghans.I am just bored by all this indian trolls who invade all kind of forums and try to spread their typical bullshit about superior south asians and how "pure" they are,when nobody in the world has any respect for them and just sees them as submissive,ugly and annoying. Sorry but you can not change the past and how afghans holoucausted your people various times. All this crap about south asian afghans is just about the inferiority complex of some indian trolls who feel better when they believe that they were holoucasted by "south asians" .

[jatt]

seriously this post tells us more about your own inferiority complex than about afghans.I am just bored by all this indian trolls who invade all kind of forums and try to spread their typical bullshit about superior south asians and how "pure" they are,when nobody in the world has any respect for them and just sees them as submissive,ugly and annoying. Sorry but you can not change the past and how afghans holoucausted your people various times. All this crap about south asian afghans is just about the inferiority complex of some indian trolls who feel better when they believe that they were holoucasted by "south asians" . Indians have Much better image in world than afghans who r seen as terrorists living in 18 century. As I said we don't have to ride on other peoples bandwagon to feel proud unlike burger afghans like you who have nothing of their own to be proud off. Ur language is iranic ur religion is Arabic I mean howcome u have the audacity to compare to indians when we have given so much to world n ur contribution is zero. Tell me something u afghans invented. Lol

[jatt]

Afghans were bitches of Mongol hordes later the turkik took over after them sikhs then russiansand later on u become whore of Pakistanis and now Americans n Europeans doing a gang bang on ur people. First learn to stand on ur own feet then talk about empires lol

[Highlands]

If it helps anyone, there are threads created for genetics in this region (Eurogenes K13 averages). Have a look at these threads:

South and South-Central Asia
(http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136431-Eurogenes-K13-South-Asia-South-Central-Asia)
And other regions:

Middle East
(http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136424-Eurogenes-K13-Middle-East)Balkans and Italy (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136416-Eurogenes-K13-for-Balkans-amp-Italy)
Iberia (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136648-Eurogenes-K13-Iberia)
Northern Europe (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136539-Eurogenes-K13-North-Europe)

[DonCorleone]

If it helps anyone, there are threads created for genetics in this region (Eurogenes K13 averages). Have a look at these threads:

South and South-Central Asia
(http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136431-Eurogenes-K13-South-Asia-South-Central-Asia)
And other regions:

Middle East
(http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136424-Eurogenes-K13-Middle-East)Balkans and Italy (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136416-Eurogenes-K13-for-Balkans-amp-Italy)
Iberia (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136648-Eurogenes-K13-Iberia)
Northern Europe (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136539-Eurogenes-K13-North-Europe)

The South Asian is actually half western eurasian and half eastern eurasian. Thought I should add that btw. In this case it's actually more Western eurasuan, the South asian increased by more than 10% in afghans.

[Sher Shah Suri]

PASHTUNS are closest to pamiri tajiks, go look them up, we are central asian, this thread is fucking BS man wtf


a better question is what happened to the azerbaijani language? LMAO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Azeri_language

[Myanthropologies]

Kashmiris

[Kamal900]

Kashmiris.From what I've seen, they look the most middle eastern in south Asia.

[StonyArabia]

Burusho and Kashmiris they look quite similar