Who's whiter : Saudi Arabians or Pakistani people ?

[aleppo]

I think the average Saudi phenotype is "whiter" compared to the average Pakistani, at least based on what you frequently see in common media.
Saudi Arabia being an Arab country has a larger % of people who can sort of pass as white than Pakistan which has an Indid type population which is not considered white.

Saudi:
http://fanack.com/typo3temp/pics/sa_king-abdullah_318px_09_17d42e881e.jpg

Pakistani:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/image/754966/1378448105000/large16x9/768/432/pakistan-president-asif.jpg

[Dombra]

Saudis

[aleppo]

bump

[Tiberio]

I voted Saudi Arabia.

[Leto]

Saudis. Those who are not part African.

[Tiberio]

Saudis. Those who are not part African.

Most of the caucasoids gulf arabs are in the high class. I have noticed that too.

[Leto]

Saudi Arabia being an Arab country has a larger % of people who can sort of pass as white than Pakistan which has an Indid type population which is not considered white.
I believe 5-10% of Saudis at the most can pass as white.

[Manifest Destiny]

We need more than two pictures to make an accurate comparison.

[aleppo]

I believe 5-10% of Saudis at the most can pass as white.

I think that Pakistan have less white looking since there was no true mixing with Europeans, unlike Saudis who mixed with Levantines and Southern euros via levantines.

[StonyArabia]

Most of the caucasoids gulf arabs are in the high class. I have noticed that too.

No such thing, as high class. Anyways Ethnic Gulf Arabs are Caucasoids. Ethnic Saudis are usually lighter than Pakistanis for the most part. Hejaz region has a lot of non-ethnic Arabians who are Muslims living there, and some of areas of the Gulf are full of immigrants from somewhere else. They are both brown, but the Saudis are light brown with reddish tones, well Pakistanis have more of a different tone.

[jatt]

Prolly same skin color or Saudi bit lighter. Or richer Pakistanis lighter

[Sikeliot]

I voted Saudi Arabia.

I agree with this, based on what I have seen. I don't think Pakistanis differ much from Indians, despite people portraying them as radically different.

[aleppo]

We need more than two pictures to make an accurate comparison.

Just some random photos I found:

Saudi Arabians :

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4XMbo8Bae0Y/TQEWMzPBStI/AAAAAAAAAVk/5CpeOZbfNpE/s1600/soccer.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41804000/jpg/_41804100_ar.jpg
http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/worldfootball/nationalteams/01/34/65/38/1346538_full-lnd.jpg
http://www.people.com.cn/mediafile/pic/20110113/8/2405587100794748436.jpg
http://gulfnews.com/polopoly_fs/1.717042!/image/3890723173.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_640/3890723173.jpg
http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/worldfootball/nationalteams/01/90/07/49/1900749_full-lnd.jpg
http://www.alittihad.ae/assets/Events/2013-01/saudi-vs-iraq-fans-khaleeji21-2.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/7/10/1341947946069/The-Jeddah-Kings-United-S-008.jpg
http://alrroya.com/files/imagecache/NodeBig/rbimages/saudi_football_team.jpg
http://al-shorfa.com/shared/images/2013/01/16/Saudi-women-journalists-650_416.jpg
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51665000/jpg/_51665263_saudipolice_ap.jpg
http://nimg.sulekha.com/others/original700/mideast-saudi-arabia-hajj-2008-12-9-9-33-14.jpg

Pakistanis :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Pakistani_people.jpg
http://www.egyptindependent.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/highslide_full/photo/2010/09/11/4886/492375-01-02.jpg.crop_display.jpg
http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/coveringasia/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/a_wsharif_0924.jpg
http://images04.olx.com.pk/ui/18/62/89/1358538440_474335389_3-i-love-all-pakistani-people-Brides.jpg
http://images.china.cn/attachement/jpg/site1007/20080910/000cf1bdd03f0a315baf02.jpg
http://www.pakvisit.com/pakistan/shujaat_hussain.jpg
http://img.xcitefun.net/users/2008/11/15827,xcitefun-009259866.jpg
http://4hdwall.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/cool-wallpapers-pakistani-cricket-team.jpg

[Leto]

This Saudi woman looks very good

http://4.firepic.org/4/images/2014-12/18/z0kv0naqjyn1.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://4.firepic.org/4/images/2014-12/18/r7x7rdq5krn5.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://4.firepic.org/4/images/2014-12/18/24vbl076cw53.jpg (http://firepic.org/)

These Pakistanis too

http://4.firepic.org/4/images/2014-12/18/6p4ic7nyo7vd.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://4.firepic.org/4/images/2014-12/18/g8jqo7cvdiwp.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://4.firepic.org/4/images/2014-12/18/vbp73c8a0fde.jpg (http://firepic.org/)

But I'm sure the vast majority doesn't look like that. There is no need to whitewash them.

[aleppo]

This Saudi woman looks very good

http://4.firepic.org/4/images/2014-12/18/z0kv0naqjyn1.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://4.firepic.org/4/images/2014-12/18/r7x7rdq5krn5.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://4.firepic.org/4/images/2014-12/18/24vbl076cw53.jpg (http://firepic.org/)


But I'm sure the vast majority doesn't look like that. There is no need to whitewash them.

she is half american Irish (her mom is white american)

[jatt]

Y not open thread Saudi verses pakistani women. That would bebetteR

[Leto]

she is half american Irish (her mom is white american)
Source? I've not found such information.

[aleppo]

Source? I've not found such information.

she is born in Philadelphia/Pennsylvania, in USA to an american mother and saudi father.

http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D9%86%D9%89_%D8%A3%D8%A8%D9%88_%D8%B3%D9%84 %D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86#.D8.A7.D9.84.D8.B7.D9.81. D9.88.D9.84.D8.A9

ولدت بمدينة فبلادلفيا بولاية بنسلفينيا بالولايات المتحدة الأمريكية

[StonyArabia]

Just some random photos I found:

Saudi Arabians :

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4XMbo8Bae0Y/TQEWMzPBStI/AAAAAAAAAVk/5CpeOZbfNpE/s1600/soccer.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41804000/jpg/_41804100_ar.jpg
http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/worldfootball/nationalteams/01/34/65/38/1346538_full-lnd.jpg
http://www.people.com.cn/mediafile/pic/20110113/8/2405587100794748436.jpg
http://gulfnews.com/polopoly_fs/1.717042!/image/3890723173.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_640/3890723173.jpg
http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/worldfootball/nationalteams/01/90/07/49/1900749_full-lnd.jpg
http://www.alittihad.ae/assets/Events/2013-01/saudi-vs-iraq-fans-khaleeji21-2.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/7/10/1341947946069/The-Jeddah-Kings-United-S-008.jpg
http://alrroya.com/files/imagecache/NodeBig/rbimages/saudi_football_team.jpg
http://al-shorfa.com/shared/images/2013/01/16/Saudi-women-journalists-650_416.jpg
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51665000/jpg/_51665263_saudipolice_ap.jpg
http://nimg.sulekha.com/others/original700/mideast-saudi-arabia-hajj-2008-12-9-9-33-14.jpg

Pakistanis :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Pakistani_people.jpg
http://www.egyptindependent.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/highslide_full/photo/2010/09/11/4886/492375-01-02.jpg.crop_display.jpg
http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/coveringasia/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/a_wsharif_0924.jpg
http://images04.olx.com.pk/ui/18/62/89/1358538440_474335389_3-i-love-all-pakistani-people-Brides.jpg
http://images.china.cn/attachement/jpg/site1007/20080910/000cf1bdd03f0a315baf02.jpg
http://www.pakvisit.com/pakistan/shujaat_hussain.jpg
http://img.xcitefun.net/users/2008/11/15827,xcitefun-009259866.jpg
http://4hdwall.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/cool-wallpapers-pakistani-cricket-team.jpg

Hejazis are not representative of us Arabians, they are mixed with all kinds of Muslim immigrants. Only people in North, Central, East, and South Arabia are representative. A lot of the people in those pics look like immigrants from the Hejaz.

[aleppo]

Hejazis are not representative of us Arabians, they are mixed with all kinds of Muslim immigrants. Only people in North, Central, East, and South Arabia are representative. A lot of the people in those pics look like immigrants from the Hejaz.

I know very well Saudis and Arabians, these are not recent immigrants they're descendant of slaves and subsaharan african muslims tribes that moved to saudia, why should the north be rapprensentative when they're close to levantine ??

the east has a substantial iranian and south asian elements, the south (Yemenis and Omanis have clear ssa except some tribes) the centre could be rappresentative but they're very few.

Look at this map:

http://www.mappery.com/maps/Saudi-Arabia-Population-Density-Map.mediumthumb.jpg

Heejaz is the most dense region in Arabia.

North of Saudi Arabia is Empty.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Saudi_Arabia_population_density_2010.png

[Gustave H]

Saudis.

[Leto]

she is born in Philadelphia/Pennsylvania, in USA to an american mother and saudi father.

http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D9%86%D9%89_%D8%A3%D8%A8%D9%88_%D8%B3%D9%84 %D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86#.D8.A7.D9.84.D8.B7.D9.81. D9.88.D9.84.D8.A9

ولدت بمدينة فبلادلفيا بولاية بنسلفينيا بالولايات المتحدة الأمريكية
I still can't find any English site which would confirm that.

[Han Cholo]

Pakistanis. Pakistanis are Aryan Highlanders.

[jc6586]

Arabs are whiter that South Asians in general

[aleppo]

I still can't find any English site which would confirm that.

the informations about her in English are so rare. you can find more about her life in arabic than english.

[Leto]

it's because , there is a few informations about her in English. you can find more about her life in arabic than english.
Well, I've read the article from Arabic Wikipedia via Google Translate, there is nothing about her supposed Irish roots. Her father was an Islamic scholar, why should he have had sex with a white American woman? It doesn't sound moral at all.

[La C del bario]

Saudi

[aleppo]

....

[aleppo]

Well, I've read the article from Arabic Wikipedia via Google Translate, there is nothing about her supposed Irish roots. Her father was an Islamic scholar, why should he have had sex with a white American woman? It doesn't sound moral at all.

you should mention her american nationality after reading the article.

[aleppo]

bump

[Tooting Carmen]

They are roughly on par.

[aleppo]

bump

[Dani Cutie]

Saudi Arabians

[Falco subbuteo]

Saudi

[Gabi]

Saudi Arabians.

[zhaoyun]

Saudis.

[aleppo]

bump

[Foxy]

Neither, but I think that Pakistani have at least some IE input. For me none is white so I don't vote.

[aleppo]

Neither, but I think that Pakistani have at least some IE input. For me none is white so I don't vote.

and what so you think about saudi arabians?

[Foxy]

and what so you think about saudi arabians?

Semitic people.

[aleppo]

Semitic people.

Ethnic saudis (bedouin minority) or saudi arabians in general?

[aleppo]

bump

[Willem]

Ethnic Saudis are more Caucasoid on average.

Pakistanis are on average 20-30% ASI (Australoid). While Saudis are only about 10% Negroid.

[SupaThug]

Since none are white,I am not even voting!There's no thing such as being ''whiter'',you are white or not,there is no middle ground!But if you mean,who is lighter on average the saudis take the post!

[aleppo]

Ethnic Saudis are more Caucasoid on average.

Pakistanis are on average 20-30% ASI (Australoid). While Saudis are only about 10% Negroid.

Excuse me ! but according to Lazarids et al 2013, the ethnic saudis (bedouin minority =5% to 10% of saudi Population) are 100% South west asian , he didn't mentionned SSA or East Asian (mongoloid) in them.
I guess Pakistanis are more east asian influenced than Saudi arabians ?

[Porpolita]

WTF :icon_eyes: I am waiting for the day we get a thread asking "who is whiter, Nigerians or Senegalese?"

[Willem]

Excuse me ! but according to Lazarids et al 2013, the ethnic saudis (bedouin minority =5% to 10% of saudi Population) are 100% South west asian , he didn't mentionned SSA or East Asian (mongoloid) in them.
I guess Pakistanis are more east asian influenced than Saudi arabians ?

From that study:

Saudi / Bedouins vs Pakistanis

http://i.imgur.com/M550JX0.png

Not a huge difference, but clearly the Arabs have more blue [Caucasoid].

[aleppo]

From that study:

Saudi / Bedouins vs Pakistanis

http://i.imgur.com/M550JX0.png

Not a huge difference, but clearly the Arabs have more blue [Caucasoid].

wow!! Northren south asians groups look almost bi or tri racial !

[aleppo]

WTF :icon_eyes: I am waiting for the day we get a thread asking "who is whiter, Nigerians or Senegalese?"

it's because both populations see themselves as white , aryan for pakistanis and semitic for saudi arabians!

[aleppo]

Since none are white,I am not even voting!There's no thing such as being ''whiter'',you are white or not,there is no middle ground!But if you mean,who is lighter on average the saudis take the post!
both populations are diverse, the richest ones looks like southern europeans because of interracial marriages with white people.

[SupaThug]

both populations are diverse, the richest ones looks like southern europeans because of interracial marriages with white people.

Saudi+European marriages are not interracial marrieges!Could you show me some examples of those ''southern european looking'' wealthy saudis?

[aleppo]

Saudi+European marriages are not interracial marrieges!Could you show me some examples of those ''southern european looking'' wealthy saudis?

Aiysha Hart , Half saudi Half British

http://i2.cdnds.net/13/38/618x412/uktv-atlantis-aiysha-hart-2.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbCG8sokfEw

[SupaThug]

Aiysha Hart , Half saudi Half British

http://i2.cdnds.net/13/38/618x412/uktv-atlantis-aiysha-hart-2.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbCG8sokfEw

Do you think she looks southern european?

[aleppo]

Do you think she looks southern european?

to most of saudis yes she looks southern european !
but personally I no think so

[SupaThug]

to most of saudis yes she looks southern european !
but personally I no think so

But saudis opinions do not make her look like a southern euro!

[aleppo]

But saudis opinions do not make her look like a southern euro!

well saudis claim themselves like Lebanese or Like italians .
you can see this in their social Medias.

saudi opinions are supported by money and oil .

[SupaThug]

well saudis claim themselves like Lebanese or Like italians .
you can see this in their social Medias.

saudi opinions are supported by money and oil .

Some southern italians look simillar to her.

[aleppo]

Some southern italians look simillar to her.
Could you show me some examples of those ''southern italians look simillar to her"?

[SupaThug]

Could you show me some examples of those ''southern italians look simillar to her"?

I don't know any exemple of Southern italian who look simillar to her,but I know an italian from Rome who does

Frederica Nargi,from Rome
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/AC+Milan+v+Cagliari+Calcio+Serie+VPxiBKwrBRUl.jpg

[aleppo]

I don't know any exemple of Southern italian who look simillar to her,but I know an italian from Rome who does

Frederica Nargi,from Rome
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/AC+Milan+v+Cagliari+Calcio+Serie+VPxiBKwrBRUl.jpg

I don't see similarities except skin color !
the italian girl looks brunette alpine while aiycha looks west asian armenid+indid

[SupaThug]

I don't see similarities except skin color !
the italian girl looks brunette alpine while aiycha looks west asian armenid+indid

But I was referring to skin colour!When it comes to traits,they are both quite different!

[aleppo]

But I was referring to skin colour!When it comes to traits,they are both quite different!

remember she is half british :)

[Leto]

Aiysha Hart , Half saudi Half British
She is lighter in other pictures

http://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/aiysha-hart-international-star.jpg?w=670&h=377&crop=1
http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/5980443/600full-aiysha-hart.jpg

[Jana]

Important question :eek:

Some Saudis have SSA infulence due to slave trades, and other (not all) Gulf Arabs as well. Pakistanis on other hand have some ASI input, so none.....;)

[aleppo]

Important question :eek:

Some Saudis have SSA infulence due to slave trades, and other (not all) Gulf Arabs as well. Pakistanis on other hand have some ASI input, so none.....;)

ok but some minorities in Saudi arabia are likely 100% south west asian like Bedouins (they represent 5% of saudi population) and some richest families like the royal family of Saudi Arabia, indeed some pakistanis Like Kalash looks Europeans maybe they don't have ASI or East Asian admixture.
don't you think if those peoples are similarly comparable?

[SupaThug]

Important question :eek:

Some Saudis have SSA infulence due to slave trades, and other (not all) Gulf Arabs as well. Pakistanis on other hand have some ASI input, so none.....;)

Even if they hadn't those influences,they would never be white!

[Willem]

ok but some minorities in Saudi arabia are likely 100% south west asian like Bedouins (they represent 5% of saudi population) and some richest families like the royal family of Saudi Arabia, indeed some pakistanis Like Kalash looks Europeans maybe they don't have ASI or East Asian admixture.
don't you think if those peoples are similarly comparable?

The Kalash have 20% ASI just like all other Pakis.

[Leto]

Even if they hadn't those influences,they would never be white!
Because they are from a different civilization.

[Jana]

ok but some minorities in Saudi arabia are likely 100% south west asian like Bedouins (they represent 5% of saudi population) and some richest families like the royal family of Saudi Arabia, indeed some pakistanis Like Kalash looks Europeans maybe they don't have ASI or East Asian admixture.
don't you think if those peoples are similarly comparable?

Well than those Bedouins would be pure Caucasiod I guess. Kalash I heard have significant ASI although it doesn't show up in their phenotype. So out of these two Bedouins would be more Caucasoid. White=nonsense :p

[SupaThug]

Because they are from a different civilization.

A non-european civilization :)

[Shah-Jehan]

How would one know If ASI or ANI are "australoid components"? ASI is older, but both are very old and older than the reported time when "Aryans" allegedely came to India and subdued the natives.

[aleppo]

How would one know If ASI or ANI are "australoid components"? ASI is older, but both are very old and older than the reported time when "Aryans" allegedely came to India and subdued the natives.


maybe it's because australoids are the first people of continental India and Iran plus arabia.

[Shah-Jehan]

maybe it's because australoids are the first people of continental India and Iran plus arabia.

Yeah, right...these Australoids for sure have had no presence in either Iran/Arabia and their prescence in South Asia is a theory.

[Jana]

Yeah, right...these Australoids for sure have had no presence in either Iran/Arabia and their prescence in South Asia is a theory.

How would you explain Veddoid derived phenotypes in South India and among tribals? It's not same as Australolid, but related it is.

[Shah-Jehan]

How would you explain Veddoid derived phenotypes in South India and among tribals? It's not same as Austraolid, but related it is.

AND again, "Vedoid" is only present in India, Australian Aboriginals do not look anything like that, sure they may have similarities, but no they are not related people.

These tribal people are just a native South Asian isolates as much as for e.g. Arhaic Samis are in Europe. Plus, tribals in India are very unorganised and unruly, they used to wear only loincloth and pecualiar garments and do not seem organised enough to build civilizations such as that in Mohenjodaro and Harappa (Indus valley). If there was supposed Aryan (Caucasoid) conquest and linguistical assimilation of the native Dravidians presumably, then today all Caucasoid looking people in India would speak Indo-Aryan languages, but Dravidian speakers also look for the most part like Indo-Aryan speakers and Dravidian groups such as Brahui are lighter than many Indo-Aryan groups. Also, the presence of both ASI (minor but still present) and ANI (much of the major South Asian %) in Iranic groups like Pashtuns and Baloch are also indications that such classifications based on ASI/ANI being Australoid are not valid or proven.

[Jana]

AND again, "Vedoid" is only present in India, Australian Aboriginals do not look anything like that, sure they may have similarities, but no they are not related people.

These tribal people are just a native South Asian isolates as much as for e.g. Arhaic Samis are in Europe. Plus, tribals in India are very unorganised and unruly, they used to wear only loincloth and pecualiar garments and do not seem organised enough to build civilizations such as that in Mohenjodaro and Harappa (Indus valley). If there was supposed Aryan (Caucasoid) conquest and linguistical assimilation of the native Dravidians presumably, then today all Caucasoid looking people in India would speak Indo-Aryan languages, but Dravidian speakers also look for the most part like Indo-Aryan speakers and Dravidian groups such as Brahui are lighter than many Indo-Aryan groups. Also, the presence of both ASI (minor but still present) and ANI (much of the major South Asian %) in Iranic groups like Pashtuns and Baloch are also indications that such classifications based on ASI/ANI being Australoid are not valid or proven.

Thank you for sharing insider opinion. I've read native dravidians weren't exactly Weddoid anyway (more Caucasoid). But I belive in distant connection between SOME South Asians and Australoids. Just an opinion.

[Willem]

Australoid groups have been isolated from each other for 30 to 50 thousand years.

They really aren't a true genetic race. The term is just a lazy way to say 'black natives outside of Africa'.

[Harkonnen]

Australoid groups have been isolated from each other for 30 to 40 thousand years.

They really aren't a true genetic race. The term is just a lazy to way to say 'black natives outside of Africa'.

If it wasn't for their high Denisovan (tho I'm not completely sure whether the Denisovan admix of Melanesians reaches Australia) admix, they are among the purest Eurasians, and genetilly furthest population of SSAs.

I would also say that they are indeed one of the purest races out there. Meaning that they represent a very ancient lineage, without no admixture clines from the divergent lineages.

You understand that this very clearly, when yousee that Onge, Australoids, Melanesians, and East Asians are all genetically equally Eastern Non African, yet they are physically all very different from each other. They represent the Basal Eurasian variation so to say.

[aleppo]

Yeah, right...these Australoids for sure have had no presence in either Iran/Arabia and their prescence in South Asia is a theory.

but south asians and iranians got australoid admixture ?! it's clear here by purple color.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/10904366_10203596941545748_719103043_n.jpg?oh=28f3 144b6c23ed4d7a3dd9d63d051f3d&oe=54ABB25C&__gda__=1420538509_60c7a246ae1139f3a3cad8b9bd40a70 9
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[JeanClaude]

The Kalash have 20% ASI just like all other Pakis.

Wrong, South Indian component in Harappa project is half west Eurasian half ASi. Kalash are 10% ASI not 20, other South Asians like panjabis are 20 %

[Swarthy_Syndicate]

Ethnic Saudis are more Caucasoid on average.

Pakistanis are on average 20-30% ASI (Australoid). While Saudis are only about 10% Negroid.

That’s a load of crap. Pakistanis are no more Australoid than North Indian Punjabis (AKA are fully Caucasoid).

In fact they’re actually more likely to have Mongoloid admixture due to Turkic influence from Afghanistan than Australoid.

[Avicenna]

Pakistanis as a whole . Northern /western Pakistan alone is lighter than saudis, whilst average Saudis and east Pakistan is similar in pigmentation .

[Dr_Maul]

almost everyone in MENA and Central Asia (down to Pakistan) are born more or less white. But in certain areas, people become swarthy due to lifestyle and climate. If you look at this picture for example, you can see that these Bedouins look nearly Black next to this Pasha

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/JemalPasha.jpg

Nowadays, due to oil wealth and whatnot, many Saudis no longer work like Bedouins. Or work at all for that matter. These are the people who stay inside most of the time, due to wealth. You can see in their pics that these people are more or less white in complexion. But you see normal Saudis who are as you would expect brown. It is probably the same in Pakistan, except in the eastern part there are probably those who are more naturally dark at birth.

[lustermoo]

almost everyone in MENA and Central Asia (down to Pakistan) are born more or less white. But in certain areas, people become swarthy due to lifestyle and climate. If you look at this picture for example, you can see that these Bedouins look nearly Black next to this Pasha

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/JemalPasha.jpg

Nowadays, due to oil wealth and whatnot, many Saudis no longer work like Bedouins. Or work at all for that matter. These are the people who stay inside most of the time, due to wealth. You can see in their pics that these people are more or less white in complexion. But you see normal Saudis who are as you would expect brown. It is probably the same in Pakistan, except in the eastern part there are probably those who are more naturally dark at birth.

MENA can be born light-medium brown

[lustermoo]

MENA can be born light-medium brown

Also if it were the case that it’s only due to adaption then Pakistanis in England and various North Africans and ME’s in Central Europe/across Europe would be white skinned but many aren’t

[Petalpusher]

Pakistani as a whole, because they are more diverse. Seeing every summer a load of Saudi landing here, they are dark and significantly darker and more exotic than the North Africans.

[Dr_Maul]

Also if it were the case that it’s only due to adaption then Pakistanis in England and various North Africans and ME’s in Central Europe/across Europe would be white skinned but many aren’t

Yes MENA can be born light brown but its rather uncommon as opposed to South Asia where its the standard. As for your other point, there is still Sun in Northern Europe. Due to the fact that the majority of MENA have strong tanning genes for the reasons I stated before, they will still be more or less the same colored (but still much lighter than those pseudo-black skinned Bedouins)

[lustermoo]

Yes MENA can be born light brown but its rather uncommon as opposed to South Asia where its the standard. As for your other point, there is still Sun in Northern Europe. Due to the fact that the majority of MENA have strong tanning genes for the reasons I stated before, they will still be more or less the same colored (but still much lighter than those pseudo-black skinned Bedouins)

Yes South Asia is darker I agree with some of your points but I’d still say the ME/Pakistani standard skin colour is still around a brown spectrum

Also my grandfather probably is your description of Bedouins
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=11793&share_tid=329721&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etheapricity%2Ecom%2Fforum% 2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D329721&share_type=t&link_source=app

[Dr_Maul]

Yes South Asia is darker I agree with some of your points but I’d still say the ME/Pakistani standard skin colour is still around a brown spectrum

Outside of West/NW Pakistan, the standard skin for Pakis is the same as tanned ME.


Also my grandfather probably is your description of Bedouins
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=11793&share_tid=329721&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etheapricity%2Ecom%2Fforum% 2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D329721&share_type=t&link_source=app

He is definitely lighter than the ones i posted but otherwise yes pretty normal look

[Jaromir]

Moors, it's obvious

[Chaos One]

Pakistanis.

Interesting that on those situations you can put all kinds of South Asians who live in Pakistan (including those with high ASI numbers who aren't natives to the region, just immigrated there years before) but you cannot use Afro Arabs when doing the same calc for Gulf Arabs even they being there for centuries. All in All, if we put real natives from both regions, Pakistanis would still win.

[LittleDarkAge]

Whites are Europeans. Both listed are not Europeans, therefore not Whites.

[Hektor12]

almost everyone in MENA and Central Asia (down to Pakistan) are born more or less white. But in certain areas, people become swarthy due to lifestyle and climate. If you look at this picture for example, you can see that these Bedouins look nearly Black next to this Pasha

I admit there are some white people in MENA but your post would be an overstatement imo. Of course, pharaohs were r1b and many white ancestors can be found in MENA but in most part they have high level of black component (nubian and/or indian) which make them MIXED, for me.

[lustermoo]

I admit there are some white people in MENA but your post would be an overstatement imo. Of course, pharaohs were r1b and many white ancestors can be found in MENA but in most part they have high level of black component (nubian and/or indian) which make them MIXED, for me.

He doesn’t mean as in the white race, he meant skin tone

[Hektor12]

He doesn’t mean as in the white race, he meant skin tone

I also means skin tone. Even Kurds from Turkey have significantly darker skin than us on average. (We can predict Kurdish origin of person by skin color in most of the times)

[lustermoo]

I also means skin tone. Even Kurds from Turkey have significantly darker skin then us on average. (We can predict Kurdish origin of person by skin color in most of the times)

Yes, I agree with that, it all depends on the area, in the MENA spectrum you’ll find it rare to see a brown born skinned Kabyle or Lebanese, but it’s common in most of Libya, Oman, Yemen etc

[lustermoo]

Yes, I agree with that, it all depends on the area, in the MENA spectrum you’ll find it rare to see a brown born skinned Kabyle or Lebanese, but it’s common in most of Libya, Oman, Yemen etc

For a pure Kabyle it’s actually surely never that they’re born brown, they are the lightest region in North Africa for sure, might even be across the whole of the MENA spectrum

[Avicenna]

For a pure Kabyle it’s actually surely never that they’re born brown, they are the lightest region in North Africa for sure, might even be across the whole of the MENA spectrum

Are you saying that kabyle are the lightest across MENA? If so, I would humbly disagree .

[lustermoo]

Are you saying that kabyle are the lightest across MENA? If so, I would humbly disagree .

If you count Israel, then I’d put them as the lightest, maybe Lebanon? Idk I’d say they’re on a roughly similar level

[Dr_Maul]

I also means skin tone. Even Kurds from Turkey have significantly darker skin than us on average. (We can predict Kurdish origin of person by skin color in most of the times)


You are talking about grown people whereas I mean that people are born light, unlike in for example india, Africa, other areas where people are brown from birth.

[Hektor12]

You are talking about grown people whereas I mean that people are born light, unlike in for example india, Africa, other areas where people are brown from birth.

They dont?

https://i.imgur.com/UOoGta3.jpg

[TheMaestro]

None, it's like saying which is more a fruit rice or pasta.

[Dr_Maul]

They dont?

https://i.imgur.com/UOoGta3.jpg

Well, overall no I would say.

[Avicenna]

If you count Israel, then I’d put them as the lightest, maybe Lebanon? Idk I’d say they’re on a roughly similar level

Counting Israel wouldnt be reasonable since many have recent euro ancestry . What regions do you consider MENA? Also the lightest levantines are Syrians not Lebanese imo

[Jon96]

almost everyone in MENA and Central Asia (down to Pakistan) are born more or less white.

White people are noticeably lighter. Even North East Asians have lighter skin than Pakistanis and MENAs.

[Jon96]

Saudis are definitely lighter on average. And I don't get the obsession people here have with Western Pakistan. Punjabis are probably lighter than the Baluch.

[Avicenna]

Saudis are definitely lighter on average. And I don't get the obsession people here have with Western Pakistan. Punjabis are probably lighter than the Baluch.

They are not darker than Punjabis , are you serious ? Also western Pakistan is synonymous with southern kpk, balochistan would be southwest Pakistan .

[chinshen]

White people are noticeably lighter. Even North East Asians have lighter skin than Pakistanis and MENAs.

North East Asians are not lighter than MENAs or even Pakistanis for that matter.

[Dr_Maul]

White people are noticeably lighter. Even North East Asians have lighter skin than Pakistanis and MENAs.

Well, literal white people (Euros) are obviously lighter yes. But I meant that the majority of swarthy MENA were not born that way

[Jon96]

They are not darker than Punjabis , are you serious ? Also western Pakistan is synonymous with southern kpk, balochistan would be southwest Pakistan .

Well similar skin tone. Baluchistan is the hottest place on earth so diaspora Baluchis and Omani Baluchis are lighter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwmUlAelBTw
Arabs (gulfie from Dubai) along with Muslim (most likely Pakistani) Punjabis as well as Sikh Punjabis.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAfyk9120ao
Lahoris


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4AnLUhO5QA
Iran Baluchestan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilmVLps17sg
Quetta (Quetta also has a large Pashtun population).

[Jon96]

Well, literal white people (Euros) are obviously lighter yes. But I meant that the majority of swarthy MENA were not born that way

Women get lighter after puberty usually and males darker. I was much lighter than my sister when I was born, now she is almost the same skin colour as me. I think there are studies on this as well.

[Jon96]

North East Asians are not lighter than MENAs or even Pakistanis for that matter.

Um yes they are. Very noticeably so as well ( compared to Pakistanis especially). I'm talking about skin tone not "Caucasoidness". Let's agree to disagree.

North Koreans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHypiQpL2yQ

Karachi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fn9ZVZi4i8

[Hamilcar]

What's the point of such topic honestly ? For which reason someone would be interested in knowing which population is lighter ?

[chinshen]

Um yes they are. Very noticeably so as well ( compared to Pakistanis especially). I'm talking about skin tone not "Caucasoidness". Let's agree to disagree.

North Koreans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHypiQpL2yQ

Karachi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fn9ZVZi4i8

I was not talking about "Caucasoidnes", whatever that is.

[Chocolate_Hound]

both populations are diverse, the richest ones looks like southern europeans because of interracial marriages with white people.

Southern Euros aren't that white though...