What is the Secret of Jewish Success?

[John in Denver]

I cannot prove that Jewish success is not due to genetic, ethnic or hereditary factors. But, if we look at how racially heterogeneous the Jewish people have become -- Jews hardly agree on what constitutes Jewishness anymore -- it is hard to believe their success is primarily in the genes.

Some historical and cultural circumstances might give a better clue:

Whether Jews read the Talmud or not (modern people greatly underestimate the importance of oral transmission), the notion that non-Jews are ontologically inferior to Jews is ingrained to the point of being "instinctive" among Jews (religious and agnostic alike) and, surprisingly, even among non-Jews who ought to be unimpressed by such a claim. Nevertheless, people who in these days flatter themselves with even remote and dubious Jewish ancestry (whatever that means in racial terms) very quickly adopt the chosen-people attitude.

http://www.henrymakow.com/concerning_mark_twains_concern.html

[Turkophagos]

What is the Secret of Jewish Success?


Nationalism.

[Tabiti]

Preservation

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Media promotion

[Tabiti]

Hate of others.

[Murphy]

Money, a sense of cohesion within their community, contacts in all the major economic regions.. you name it.

[Loki]

What success? Peoples and empires come and go. The Jews had their moments of glory, and seem to be going into decline now.

But some of the reasons can be put towards a feeling of community cohesiveness, strong tribal religious roots, and the fact that Christianity - the world's major religion - has its roots in tribal Judaism. The latter fact is why there is such a large support for Jews in religious America. But, Jews as a powerful grouping will decline alongside America going forward. Both cases are inevitable.

[hereward]

Any organised ethnic minority can advance in a 'modern' western nation due to the ease of abuse they can employ. The Jews benefited by arriving before most.

[antonio]

I share many of your views. But at times I guess many nonbelievers (or/and English speakers) laughing at folllowing expression "God-elected people" so I usually made up a mental list:

Jesus, Dylan, Spinoza, ¿Marie Curie?, ¿Touring?, Kafka, Mann brothers, Einstein, Marx, Trotski, Freud, Chaplin, Woody Allen (once upon a time he was a great comediant).

That list is simple awesome. Specially by the number of first-time pioneers (true geniuses) of relevant fields. Just if it would contain Picasso or Baggage I would inmediately would think over natural causes.


Ps. Add fucking Soros to the list. He well deserved it.

[Agrippa]

They are a well organised ethnoreligious group which kept its identity and abused the European weakness to deal with money and credits themselves, while tolerating Jews as such and tolerating Jews to overtake that important field of economy and society.

[antonio]

You're right, the fact they were usually wealthy and their persistence and even resilience as an ethnic group has much to do. And I must not forget the level of miscigenation of many of the Jews above, being more an European-Semitical subrace that a pure Middle-Eastern one.

[RoyBatty]

I cannot prove that Jewish success is not due to genetic, ethnic or hereditary factors. But, if we look at how racially heterogeneous the Jewish people have become -- Jews hardly agree on what constitutes Jewishness anymore -- it is hard to believe their success is primarily in the genes.


It's a combination of factors.

- Some are certainly very intelligent.
- They have longstanding expertise in dealing with money related matters.
- Organising themselves along clan lines and around a "Jewish Identity" and then maintaining a support network for their group which promotes their interests over those of goyim helps.
- They have an extensive global network which works together and in a coordinated fashion to promote the interests of the group.

Perhaps the major difference for me between many "White" cultures and the Jews is that the Whites aren't working together towards a common cause. Whites don't care about fellow Whites. Whites only care about themselves.

One of the reasons for the growth and relative success of Islam (and of course Islam is a religion and does not refer to a *homogenous group) is that it also presents a common identity to its followers to rally around, much like Judaism. Many "Muslims" aren't even religious. They simply go to the Mosque because this is where they get to meet other Muslims for business and deals and this is where they can instantly call on and get support when disputes need to be settled.

Whites don't have this. Whites live according to "laws", "democracy", "humanitarianism" and such nonsense. This is our weakness.


*Thanks for pointing out the errors of my ways Osweo, I is getting intellektialy lazy

[Saruman]

A culture/religion backed up by assimilation of good quality people and traditional occupations which combined with culture/religion make a cohesive mutually helping group of people.
Culture is one of tribal self-worship. Tribal-racist Mysticism, "Hashem" has created universe for Jews, in fact in some areas of kabbalah basically god is non-active and his actions can be manipulated, one could almost conclude that the essence of Judaism is that God exists by means of Jews existing.

One of rare instances of death penalty for Jews is when they help non-jews studying torah ( R. Johanan said: A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death, for it is written, Moses commanded us a law for an inheritance it is our inheritance, not theirs. ), the number of judges necessary to convict a Jew or a non-Jew, penalties for crimes etc.
But you can see the attitude towards non-Jews in case of proselytes, where there is prohibition of proselytes to hold positions of authority (from Maimonides "not to even supervise the pond of water"), from talmud for ex. a proselyte can judge a proselyte but not a born Jew, proselytes judicial opinion cannot be binding for a "blood" jew in any way.
For example interpretation of
R. Hanina said: If a heathen smites a Jew, he is worthy of death, for it is written, And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian.(Exodus II, 12) R. Hanina also said: He who smites an Israelite on the jaw, is as though he had thus assaulted the Divine Presence; for it is written, one who smiteth man [I]attacketh the Holy One.
This is not some invention, there are many claims about talmud which are not true, things like these are, though a rabbi might defend that these are personal views of those rabbis, though probably every one will confirm the judgments about proselytes.

It's obviously very good to be of Jewish blood in Judaism.
Also Ashkenazim were breeding with Europeans to a degree, in combination with their traditional occupations and non-jews assimilated into the tribe, we could speak of higher intelligence of that group.
And combine that with such a religion and you have a success. Whether it's "moral" or not, it has been successful, and success is success, I must respect it.

Could others copy this mentality? Not likely as this has been in existence for over 2000 years and has that element of tradition, people are often scared into submission of an ancient text by the virtue of that text's age, but in the modern world full of skeptics that's almost impossible.

[Agrippa]

- Some are certainly very intelligent.
- They have longstanding expertise in dealing with money related matters.

Thats something which are more common in European based, Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews. Now I think they were racially more Armenid than Europeans, which is a corrupt trader, city dweller, sedentary people racial form. So almost "made" for that "occupations".

Now who came to Europe? Tradespeople to begin with primarily. But in Europe, they were very fortunate by two things:
- Christian laws against usury, reluctance to credits and money
- The rise of Islam.

Because before the Italian cities came up, the Jews played a huge part in organising the trade between Europe and Asia after Muslim expansions. They had their people on both sides of the religious spheres and could communicate perfectly.

That was a pretty good start, even then with speculation and the typical gold-silver margin, which was used by the Byzantines too.

After that, they established themselves in the occupations which Christians left for them, so they could concentrate even more on "their fields". As long as the Christian rulers could eliminate the privileges and the Jews were outlawed, the Europeans had still the control largely, even though the dependence grew. But when they were permitted lasting rights and tolerance, that was it, because with the right to their property and means, they were fixed on Europe.

Because usury and the usurers can mainly be used by the group, if they can be dispossed and expelled if their influence gets too strong.

That changed interestingly and finally at the same time with the ascent of the Rothschilds & Co.

Also in this situation of the Jews being mostly traders, bankers and simply bourgeois, that had an ethnoreligious tradition and social selection which made them more intelligent over time, that were selective pressures working on them, making them generally and especially socially more intelligent. You can see that this breeding process and endogamy was active also in the fact that certain Jewish groups got limited diversity and more inheritable diseases from inbreeding.

So that they are more intelligent is in the European Jews as much the result of their local development in Europe too, because of the selective pressures working on them here, inside their communities. Europeans on the other hand had a rather negative selection if its about intelligence, because intelligence and education was not associated with more reproductive success as often as in Jews, which was again a pity and is an Eugenic problem.

Also their education and socialisation made them more intelligent in a non-inherited way, since optimal advancement makes every subject more intelligent, inside of its genetic frame of course.

[Germanicus]

Judaism gave more right's for women, Roman Paganism primarily was ruled by men, for men.
The home of a Jew was ruled by the woman. In the house of Pagans the woman was controlled in all aspects of her life.
There is evidence that there was a lack of women in the latter part of the 3rd century, it has been found in sewers of major Roman cities foetuses of females.
The Jewish faith did not practice murder of baby females, by contrast the Jews by and large had more than one daughter, whereupon is was rare for the average Roman to have more than one, thus the female Jewess thrived to administer a healthy longer lasting family culture, thus again a healthy community of Judaism

[Grumpy Cat]

They stick together and their culture highly values education.

[Kanasyuvigi]

http://www.mrdowling.com/images/706princip.jpg
Gavrilo Princip... His shot gave them the chance for world domination and they didn't miss it.
Our weakness is their biggest strength. They are colectivists and we are individualists. They are nationalists and we're globalists. They are conservative and we're liberal. And so on.... Multiculturalism, pseudoliberalism, race mixing, national nichilism - they're all promoted from the jewish media.
It's simple - we live in a money era. And jews 'got the money.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

I cannot prove that Jewish success is not due to genetic, ethnic or hereditary factors. But, if we look at how racially heterogeneous the Jewish people have become -- Jews hardly agree on what constitutes Jewishness anymore -- it is hard to believe their success is primarily in the genes.

Some historical and cultural circumstances might give a better clue:

Whether Jews read the Talmud or not (modern people greatly underestimate the importance of oral transmission), the notion that non-Jews are ontologically inferior to Jews is ingrained to the point of being "instinctive" among Jews (religious and agnostic alike) and, surprisingly, even among non-Jews who ought to be unimpressed by such a claim. Nevertheless, people who in these days flatter themselves with even remote and dubious Jewish ancestry (whatever that means in racial terms) very quickly adopt the chosen-people attitude.

http://www.henrymakow.com/concerning_mark_twains_concern.html

They read the Torah and then they read the interpretation in the Talmud.
Similar to the LDS the Bible and the Mormon interpretation "The Book of Mormon>

[Austin]

All I know is that the reason most Americans are okay with Jews is because they want Israel in tact and to be friendly so when their savior comes back to Israel they can benefit from that.

This guy sums up the mentality of many Americans in that regard.IWMmVIAtHAU

[Agrippa]

Evangelicals are totally corrupted maniacs on the logical level of a child, what can anybody expect from them? Obviously they being manipulated to have a big mass which, in a Neoconservative sense, obey rules which the ruling class gives out and their preachers tell them - with a little bit of "god juice"....

[Austin]

Evangelicals are totally corrupted maniacs on the logical level of a child, what can anybody expect from them? Obviously they being manipulated to have a big mass which, in a Neoconservative sense, obey rules which the ruling class gives out and their preachers tell them - with a little bit of "god juice"....

lol yeah I know but dang I love hearing that Hagee guy speak he is a good speaker! I like his voice i dunno why

[Don]

Lack of moral restrictions when treating non-jews.

[Agrippa]

lol yeah I know but dang I love hearing that Hagee guy speak he is a good speaker! I like his voice i dunno why

Well, if those treacherous preachers wouldnt have speaking qualities, what we might call "charisma", they wouldnt be so successful in such a "show culture" like the USA - in which appearance comes before content anyway, even in religion.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Evangelicals are totally corrupted maniacs on the logical level of a child, what can anybody expect from them? Obviously they being manipulated to have a big mass which, in a Neoconservative sense, obey rules which the ruling class gives out and their preachers tell them - with a little bit of "god juice"....

I totally agree, people just have to cling to religion because it is the only source of their hope. I am quite sick of it and quite happy that people are getting more atheist these days.

[Saruman]

lol yeah I know but dang I love hearing that Hagee guy speak he is a good speaker! I like his voice i dunno why

Yeah Hagee is a charismatic speaker, I used to listen to him some time ago when I analyzed religions, and a man with charisma as usual can be persuasive especially to less educated or knowledgeable people.

[Sturmtiger]

I believe that there are several key aspects to jewish success:

Firstly; Finance and the jewish obsession with money, it is of course no coincidence that the usual portrayl of jews involves greed and the lust for money. With money comes.

Secondly; Power, they place themselves in positions of power, but not in the front line so to speak, behind the scenes like the puppet-master pulling the strings. Whether it is banking, politics or of course the media.

Thirdly; Self promotion, linking nicely from item two. With major players in the media world they influence the view the world has of the jew and israel. Through film and other media resources they integrate themselves into European/American culture portrayed as a natural and belonging entity.

Lastly; Preservation, they seek to preserve all that is jewish no-matter what the cost. Even alllowing the integration of what they call 'lesser peoples'. Assimilate and destroy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/images/nazi_propaganda_eternal_jew.jpg

[Matritensis]

It's because they are competitive as hell,even among themselves.

[RoyBatty]

All I know is that the reason most Americans are okay with Jews is because they want Israel in tact and to be friendly so when their savior comes back to Israel they can benefit from that.

This guy sums up the mentality of many Americans in that regard.IWMmVIAtHAU


Evangelicals are totally corrupted maniacs on the logical level of a child, what can anybody expect from them? Obviously they being manipulated to have a big mass which, in a Neoconservative sense, obey rules which the ruling class gives out and their preachers tell them - with a little bit of "god juice"....

Amen to what brother Agrippa said. Evangelicals are complete nutcases. The scary thing is that there are 10's of millions of them in the USA (from where they originated) alone.

They're spreading around the globe like cockroaches, infesting Africa, the Far East, Asia and South America. They are often also funded and assisted via so-called "NGO's" and the US State Department and related "charity" arms. Naturally "charity" is just a front. The real action is in infiltrating other countries, gaining access to the local population for brainwashing and money collecting purposes, political activism, spying / intelligence gathering and so forth.

The Evangelicals have become an integral part of the USA / Zionists' global destabilisation arm.


As far as Evangelicals and Israel are concerned, the game basically works as follows:

Evangelicals want the Jews to go to Israel because once the last Jew has entered the "Holy Land" the Rapture / ie second coming of Christ will commence. Therefore Evangelicals support Israeli causes and support Jews in whatever it is they get up to, no matter how good or bad the venture.

Evangelicals believe that once the "Rapture" kicks off, all the non-believers (including Jews of course) will die in the ensuing s*** storm. So basically, they're a quite hypocritical and nasty bunch but there you go.

The Zionists of course understand this facet of the Evangelical's nature but nevertheless they also understand what useful idiots they are. That's why Zionists + Evangelicals "love" one another the way they do.

Hallelujah and Praiiiise da Lord brothers! :D :thumb001:

[Bloodeagle]

They're spreading around the globe like cockroaches, infesting Africa, the Far East, Asia and South America. They are often also funded and assisted via so-called "NGO's" and the US State Department and related "charity" arms. Naturally "charity" is just a front. The real action is in infiltrating other countries, gaining access to the local population for brainwashing and money collecting purposes, political activism, spying / intelligence gathering and so forth.

This sounds like the ruse employed by the U.S. Peace Corps.

[Ibericus]

Perhaps it has a lot do with the fact that Christians were not allowed in money business, it was not considered correct at time, and speculation was persecuted, and thus only the Jews occupied thsoe jobs,

[Austin]

Amen to what brother Agrippa said. Evangelicals are complete nutcases. The scary thing is that there are 10's of millions of them in the USA (from where they originated) alone.

They're spreading around the globe like cockroaches, infesting Africa, the Far East, Asia and South America. They are often also funded and assisted via so-called "NGO's" and the US State Department and related "charity" arms. Naturally "charity" is just a front. The real action is in infiltrating other countries, gaining access to the local population for brainwashing and money collecting purposes, political activism, spying / intelligence gathering and so forth.

The Evangelicals have become an integral part of the USA / Zionists' global destabilisation arm.


As far as Evangelicals and Israel are concerned, the game basically works as follows:

Evangelicals want the Jews to go to Israel because once the last Jew has entered the "Holy Land" the Rapture / ie second coming of Christ will commence. Therefore Evangelicals support Israeli causes and support Jews in whatever it is they get up to, no matter how good or bad the venture.

Evangelicals believe that once the "Rapture" kicks off, all the non-believers (including Jews of course) will die in the ensuing s*** storm. So basically, they're a quite hypocritical and nasty bunch but there you go.

The Zionists of course understand this facet of the Evangelical's nature but nevertheless they also understand what useful idiots they are. That's why Zionists + Evangelicals "love" one another the way they do.

Hallelujah and Praiiiise da Lord brothers! :D :thumb001:



Yes Pastor Hagee has a piece of the Temple wall from Jerusalem that Sharon gave him when he visited Israel. Hagee has it sitting right out front his church as a testament to the tie with Israel.

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Hagee also has a program in Israel where you can go buy and live on land taken from the Arabs so as to quicken the coming of Christ. He also has a program to plant tree's there and send money to Christian/Jewish settlers.

https://www.jhm.org/ME2/Sites/dirmod.asp?sid=&type=forms&mod=Smart+Forms&sfid=6F4DB23E38E9408080AD6B7B0E05BE64&tier=1&SiteID=973F95B9970A4625AB045F5C8E33EF1C

[IMG]http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7577/exodusiinew.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/exodusiinew.jpg/)

[Great Dane]

Jews seem to have been most successful as a minority. Their own nation state seems to be a failure. Nearly all famous and wealthy Jews live outside Israel.

[RoyBatty]

Jews seem to have been most successful as a minority. Their own nation state seems to be a failure. Nearly all famous and wealthy Jews live outside Israel.

It's not really a viable state imo due to the enormous expenses incurred on military spending, being in a state of perpetual warfare with the neighbours, the harsh terrain etc.

However, since billions in assets looted from around the world get transferred there (on top of enormous US and German subsidies) their economy is secure. Without these parasitic relationships with donor host countries it would cease to exist.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

It's because they are competitive as hell,even among themselves.


And they are very very honest:p
Goldman and Sachs
Madoff

[RoyBatty]

Sheikh Nasrallah made an insightful observation of them around the time of the last skirmish between Israel and Hezbollah. He noted that Jews had the capability and culture to admit to, analyse and learn from their mistakes in order not to repeat them whilst Arabs didn't.

*PS, Imo Hezbollah aren't Arabs :D

[John in Denver]

IMO their success lies on two sides, deception on one side, the other is support of the deception.

[Puddle of Mudd]

Jew gold.....obviously.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Just being a Jew alone is a surefire way to enormous wealth.

[lei.talk]

Just being a Jew alone is a surefire way to enormous wealth.

"Just being an American Negro alone is a surefire way to be an NBA star."

why is one sentence an obvious non sequitur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization),
but, not the other?

how many negroes are there in america
compared to the national basketball association?

how many jews are millionnaires
compared to the total population of jews?

"An outlying observation, or outlier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier),
is one that appears to deviate markedly from other members of the sample in which it occurs."

compare the jews on this "Wealth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes#Lists)" list
to these population figures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population).

it would seem that being a jew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew)
is neither a sufficient
nor a necessary cause of wealth.



http://i43.tinypic.com/fdbtyx.jpg (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=918108#post918108)
to quote a friend of over-forty-years -
ken (http://web.archive.org/web/20121114111907/http://www.comic-con.org/common/ken_krueger.shtml) krueger (http://www.comic-con.org/frontpage/ken-krueger) - "Jesus may save, but, Moses invests. :swl"

[Nodens]

Marx had some interesting commentary (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Selected_Essays_by_Karl_Marx/On_The_Jewish_Question) on the subject.

[Austin]

my Jewish friend had this as his facebook pic I found it amusing

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1051/n6697673242976.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/n6697673242976.jpg/)