Classify two Gypsy Females

[Mortimer]

http://s23.postimg.org/3m8q7m3nv/Biljana.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s23.postimg.org/dxl309vd7/Natasa.jpg (http://postimage.org/)


Bilder hochladen (http://postimage.org/index.php?lang=german)

[Tooting Carmen]

Pseudo-Mulatta, Indid.

[Mortimer]

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[Antimage]

where are they from? they look very different than hungarian gypsies.

both look latin american mixed race,so i can't classify them

[Sikeliot]

First looks Ethiopian, second looks actually Indian.

[Mortimer]

where are they from? they look very different than hungarian gypsies.

both look latin american mixed race,so i can't classify them

serbia and they look average for gypsies

[Mortimer]

here are the two in a TV show i think they are related, but im not sure


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knYyuoiwXKE

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I'm not good with classifying Gypsies that don't look very mixed with European but I say her phenotype is Indid with Euro influence. she don't really look so mixed with European like some Gypsies so I can't say if I see some Mediterranid influence in her or Dinaric etc.

What I do say she looks like a dark Indian.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

She don't look like some Gypsies of Spain etc, that look mixed with Euro, She looks from India.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

She don't look like some Gypsies of Spain etc, that look mixed with Euro, She looks from India.

I see it's two Gypsie females, so they* lol I thought it was the same xD

[Mortimer]

She don't look like some Gypsies of Spain etc, that look mixed with Euro, She looks from India.

she looks average for balkan gypsies, never been in spain.

[TheForeigner]

Yes, most Gypsies are this dark and not like the ones posted by ButlerKing, although a minority look like those, since they have considerable European admixture. Why is the first one in such an agressive pose and seemingly snarling or shouting something vulgar and threatening?:confused:

[Baldur]

Yes, most Gypsies are this dark and not like the ones posted by ButlerKing, although a minority look like those, since they have considerable European admixture. Why is the first one in such an agressive pose and seemingly snarling or shouting something vulgar and threatening?:confused:

There's a big difference between the Finnish Kale Romas and the Kalderash Romas for example. People are very ignorant about the Romas and think they all look the same. When there is a very big difference among some of them.

For example here are two Romas from Hungary
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-d05Zwl1DSc/maxresdefault.jpg
http://www.sztarklikk.hu/image/?database_name=articles&database_id=64626&th=n

Three from Romania
http://imagini3.bestmusic.ro/image/1/640/0/60078919/Loredana-Fieraru-Romanii-au-talent-lanseaza-un-videoclip-nou-poze.jpg
http://www.gsp.ro/usr/imagini/2012/09/22//523295-petre-marin.jpg
http://img.20mn.fr/L9knrlkVT2q8zuiRbTM-tQ/648x415_nicolita-entame-plan-relance

and some from Finland
http://www.pohjois-suomenromanit.fi/@Bin/159049/P4260113.jpeg
http://www.pohjois-suomenromanit.fi/@Bin/120460/P2220093.jpeg

[Antimage]

There's a big difference between the Finnish Kale Romas and the Kalderash Romas for example. People are very ignorant about the Romas and think they all look the same. When there is a very big difference among some of them.

For example here are two Romas from Hungary
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-d05Zwl1DSc/maxresdefault.jpg
http://www.sztarklikk.hu/image/?database_name=articles&database_id=64626&th=n

Three from Romania
http://imagini3.bestmusic.ro/image/1/640/0/60078919/Loredana-Fieraru-Romanii-au-talent-lanseaza-un-videoclip-nou-poze.jpg
http://www.gsp.ro/usr/imagini/2012/09/22//523295-petre-marin.jpg
http://img.20mn.fr/L9knrlkVT2q8zuiRbTM-tQ/648x415_nicolita-entame-plan-relance

and some from Finland
http://www.pohjois-suomenromanit.fi/@Bin/159049/P4260113.jpeg
http://www.pohjois-suomenromanit.fi/@Bin/120460/P2220093.jpeg

the ones from romania and hungary you posted are avarage here and they don't look indian

[Baldur]

the ones from romania and hungary you posted are avarage here and they don't look indian

Yes I never claimed they look Indian :) I think many Romas look more West Asian than south Asian today.

[TheForeigner]

the ones from romania and hungary you posted are avarage here and they don't look indian

Yes, but they don't look European either. More like Middle Eastern or lightest Indian types maybe. Anyway I was surprised to read that Robert Plant, the blond and blue eyed former singer of Led Zeppelin has a Gypsy mother.

[Antimage]

Yes, but they don't look European either. More like Middle Eastern or lightest Indian types maybe. Anyway I was surprised to read that Robert Plant, the blond and blue eyed former singer of Led Zeppelin has a Gypsy mother.

gypsies from UK and USA sometimes look 100% white

[Baldur]

gypsies from UK and USA sometimes look 100% white

The travellers from the UK are just inbred brits. Not Romas.

[TheForeigner]

The travellers from the UK are just inbred brits. Not Romas.

I think he meant an actual Romany Gypsy. GQ: After all these years, how on earth have you managed to keep your hair like that?
Robert Plant: Well, I don't know. We could be quite serious about it. I just have been very lucky. My mother was a gypsy, and she had a lot of dark blood in her, and her hair was very, very thick—she couldn't even get a brush through it. So I have been very fortunate. And every time I go to cut it off, hairdressers refuse to do it. http://www.gq.com/entertainment/music/201111/robert-plant-gq-music-issue

[Baldur]

I think he meant an actual Romany Gypsy. GQ: After all these years, how on earth have you managed to keep your hair like that?
Robert Plant: Well, I don't know. We could be quite serious about it. I just have been very lucky. My mother was a gypsy, and she had a lot of dark blood in her, and her hair was very, very thick—she couldn't even get a brush through it. So I have been very fortunate. And every time I go to cut it off, hairdressers refuse to do it. http://www.gq.com/entertainment/music/201111/robert-plant-gq-music-issue

Yeah he could be. The Finnish Kale came to Sweden and Finland from the UK very long time ago.

[Fakirbakir]

There's a big difference between the Finnish Kale Romas and the Kalderash Romas for example. People are very ignorant about the Romas and think they all look the same. When there is a very big difference among some of them.

For example here are two Romas from Hungary
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-d05Zwl1DSc/maxresdefault.jpg
http://www.sztarklikk.hu/image/?database_name=articles&database_id=64626&th=n

Three from Romania
http://imagini3.bestmusic.ro/image/1/640/0/60078919/Loredana-Fieraru-Romanii-au-talent-lanseaza-un-videoclip-nou-poze.jpg
http://www.gsp.ro/usr/imagini/2012/09/22//523295-petre-marin.jpg
http://img.20mn.fr/L9knrlkVT2q8zuiRbTM-tQ/648x415_nicolita-entame-plan-relance

and some from Finland
http://www.pohjois-suomenromanit.fi/@Bin/159049/P4260113.jpeg
http://www.pohjois-suomenromanit.fi/@Bin/120460/P2220093.jpeg

In Hungary we have to distinguish between three Romani groups;

About 70 percent of the Hungarian Romani population belongs to the "Romungro" group. They have been living with the Hungarians since medieval times. They are well integrated into the society, their mother tongue is Hungarian.

The second group is named "Olah" gypsies. "Olah" is the old name for Romanians in Hungary, but Olah gypsies have nothing to do with Romanians. They are called "olah" because they came to Hungary from Wallachia (it was one of the Romanian principalities) in the 18th century. This group is very fragmented, their vernacular is Romani and Hungarian. They make up 20 percent of the Hungarian Romani population.

The third group is called "Beas" gypsies. Their mother tongue is an archaic Romanian dialect and make up 10 percent of the Hungarian Romani population. They were refugees, they escaped from slavery from Romania in the 19th century.

[Antimage]

In Hungary we have to distinguish between three Romani groups;

About 70 percent of the Hungarian Romani population belongs to the "Romungro" group. They have been living with the Hungarians since medieval times. They are well integrated into the society, their mother tongue is Hungarian.

The second group is named "Olah" gypsies. "Olah" is the old name for Romanians in Hungary, but Olah gypsies have nothing to do with Romanians. They are called "olah" because they came to Hungary from Wallachia (it was one of the Romanian principalities) in the 18th century. This group is very fragmented, their vernacular is Romani and Hungarian. They make up 20 percent of the Hungarian Romani population.

The third group is called "Beas" gypsies. Their mother tongue is an archaic Romanian dialect and make up 10 percent of the Hungarian Romani population. They were refugees, they escaped from slavery from Romania in the 19th century.

so what? non of those groups look indian or european

[Fakirbakir]

The travellers from the UK are just inbred brits. Not Romas.

There are different Romani and Traveller groups in the UK.

Romanichals are definitely Romanis.

How do you explain that about ten percent of the Irish Traveller vocabulary comes from Romani?

[Baldur]

There are different Romani and Traveller groups in the UK.

Romanichals are definitely Romanis.

How do you explain that about ten percent of the Irish Traveller vocabulary comes from Romani?

Well I was told this on another forum about the Travellers.

The historical origins of Irish Travellers as an ethnic group has been a subject of academic and popular debate. Such discussions have been difficult as Irish Travellers left no written records of their own.[22][23] They may be of Romani extraction, although this theory is disputed by some, and theories of pre-Celt origin also exist.[24][25] Ten percent of the Gammon language comes from Romani; however, the majority of its words derive from Celtic.

In 2011 an analysis of DNA from 40 Travellers was undertaken at the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin and the University of Edinburgh. The study provided evidence that Irish Travellers are a distinct Irish ethnic minority, who separated from the settled Irish community at least 1000 years ago; the claim was made that they are distinct from the settled community as Icelanders are from Norwegians.[27] Even though all families claim ancient origins, not all families of Irish Travellers date back to the same point in time; some families adopted Traveller customs centuries ago, while others did so more recently.[28] It is unclear how many Irish Travellers would be included in this distinct ethnic group at least from a genetic perspective.

There has been a wide range of theories speculating on their origins such as that they were descended from those Irish who were made homeless by Oliver Cromwell's military campaign in Ireland in the 1650s, or possibly from the people made homeless in the 1840s famine due to eviction, or the descendants of aristocratic nomads the Clan Murtagh O'Connors in the Late Middle Ages. Their nomadism was based on cattle-herds or creaghts.

[Antimage]

irish travellers aren't really gypsy ethnically, only by lifestyle.

but there are real gypsies in england and usa, their name is romanichal and they are mixed to the point that some of them look 100% white

[Fakirbakir]

so what? non of those groups look indian or european

I just wanted to point out that their ethnic background is dissimilar.

[Antimage]

romanichal gypsies

http://www.channelguidemagblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/my-big-fat-american-gypsy-wedding-season-2-tommy.jpghttp://www.channelguidemagblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/my-big-fat-american-gypsy-wedding-season-2-teddy.jpghttp://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Shyanne_fiance_Michael_Gypsy_Wedding.jpghttp://s10.postimage.org/vrmb46vd5/phpejg5_In.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_Tqa1xjcBw0/UARpGad7QkI/AAAAAAAABBA/yiTQIxhk3Io/s1600/My+Big+Fat+Gypsy+Wedding+-+Tues+May+22.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_us-_jXpQvnQ/R9GM8CkkowI/AAAAAAAAAdU/e3Tmgn-yUeY/s320/Billy+Joe+Saunders.jpg

[Baldur]

romanichal gypsies

http://www.channelguidemagblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/my-big-fat-american-gypsy-wedding-season-2-tommy.jpghttp://www.channelguidemagblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/my-big-fat-american-gypsy-wedding-season-2-teddy.jpghttp://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Shyanne_fiance_Michael_Gypsy_Wedding.jpghttp://s10.postimage.org/vrmb46vd5/phpejg5_In.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_Tqa1xjcBw0/UARpGad7QkI/AAAAAAAABBA/yiTQIxhk3Io/s1600/My+Big+Fat+Gypsy+Wedding+-+Tues+May+22.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_us-_jXpQvnQ/R9GM8CkkowI/AAAAAAAAAdU/e3Tmgn-yUeY/s320/Billy+Joe+Saunders.jpg

Sicilians ? :D

[Antimage]

I just wanted to point out that their ethnic background is dissimilar.

i live in hungary, and they are quite similar to each other, i can't tell the difference

also, most of them(70%) are from the same group

wikipedia overstates the differences

[Fakirbakir]

Well I was told this on another forum about the Travellers.

The historical origins of Irish Travellers as an ethnic group has been a subject of academic and popular debate. Such discussions have been difficult as Irish Travellers left no written records of their own.[22][23] They may be of Romani extraction, although this theory is disputed by some, and theories of pre-Celt origin also exist.[24][25] Ten percent of the Gammon language comes from Romani; however, the majority of its words derive from Celtic.

In 2011 an analysis of DNA from 40 Travellers was undertaken at the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin and the University of Edinburgh. The study provided evidence that Irish Travellers are a distinct Irish ethnic minority, who separated from the settled Irish community at least 1000 years ago; the claim was made that they are distinct from the settled community as Icelanders are from Norwegians.[27] Even though all families claim ancient origins, not all families of Irish Travellers date back to the same point in time; some families adopted Traveller customs centuries ago, while others did so more recently.[28] It is unclear how many Irish Travellers would be included in this distinct ethnic group at least from a genetic perspective.

There has been a wide range of theories speculating on their origins such as that they were descended from those Irish who were made homeless by Oliver Cromwell's military campaign in Ireland in the 1650s, or possibly from the people made homeless in the 1840s famine due to eviction, or the descendants of aristocratic nomads the Clan Murtagh O'Connors in the Late Middle Ages. Their nomadism was based on cattle-herds or creaghts.

I think the origin of the Irish Travellers has to do something with medieval Romani migration. Perhaps a Romani group arrived to Ireland in the Middle Ages and mixed with the Gammon speaking majority.They adopted the Celtic language however were able to preserve some Romani words. 10 percent isn't just a couple of words. (IMHO)

[Baldur]

I think the origin of the Irish Travellers has to do something with medieval Romani migration. Perhaps a Romani group arrived to Ireland in the Middle Ages and mixed with the Gammon speaking majority.They adopted the Celtic language however were able to preserve some Romani words. 10 percent isn't just a couple of words. (IMHO)

Yeah could be.

[Fakirbakir]

wikipedia overstates the differences

I cited from Bekesi.

http://www.hhrf.org/kisebbsegkutatas/kk_2008_04/cikk.php?id=1621

[Antimage]

I cited from Bekesi.

http://www.hhrf.org/kisebbsegkutatas/kk_2008_04/cikk.php?id=1621

i have never heard anyone say that "those gypsies are romungro gypsies", "these guys are olah gypsies". nobody uses those terms. For hungarians there's 1 group of gypsy: gypsy. Also gypsies always refer to themselves as gypsies, not lovári, oláh, romungro whatever.

[Stears]

In Hungary we have to distinguish between three Romani groups;

About 70 percent of the Hungarian Romani population belongs to the "Romungro" group. They have been living with the Hungarians since medieval times. They are well integrated into the society, their mother tongue is Hungarian.

The second group is named "Olah" gypsies. "Olah" is the old name for Romanians in Hungary, but Olah gypsies have nothing to do with Romanians. They are called "olah" because they came to Hungary from Wallachia (it was one of the Romanian principalities) in the 18th century. This group is very fragmented, their vernacular is Romani and Hungarian. They make up 20 percent of the Hungarian Romani population.

The third group is called "Beas" gypsies. Their mother tongue is an archaic Romanian dialect and make up 10 percent of the Hungarian Romani population. They were refugees, they escaped from slavery from Romania in the 19th century.

Wrong. Both groups remained nomadic until the 20th century.

[Stears]

Oláh means ethnic romanian and also gypsy in Hungarian language. It was caused by the dark pigmentation of romanians and gypsies.

[special]

unmixed Gypsies