Is Julian Le Play an ethnic Austrian or does he have foreign ancestry?

[RighNick]

According to Wikipedia, his birth name is Julian Heidrich and I see no mention of foreign ancestry but he doesn't really resemble the other Austrians I have met. What do the experts think?

http://www.news.at/_storage/asset/4394025/storage/newsat:content-center/file/59301286/julian-le-play.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Julian_le_Play_-_Amadeus_Awards_2013_b.jpg
http://www.stpaulslifestyle.com/uploads/828865_3_440_0008_5327903_stp02_25_Julian_le_Play_ 3sp.jpg
http://www.news.at/_storage/asset/4394082/storage/newsat:key-visual/file/59305532/julian-le-play.jpg
http://webmisc.oe24.at/society24/fotos/7831_665353.jpg

[Also]

He reminds me of that french teacher English Rose posted. But Austrians can have dark hair and brown eyes.

[Gooding]

Alpinid.

[RighNick]

He reminds me of that french teacher English Rose posted. But Austrians can have dark hair and brown eyes.

I agree, but he also seems to be quite the Chameleon. In a few pictures, he even looks like he might be part Asian but in others he just looks like a Brunette Central Euro.

[Antimage]

i think he doesn't have foreign ancestry. maybe he has some jewish ancestry... but I've seen some austrians and germans that had dark features

Mats Hummels, 100% german from germany
http://imworld.aufeminin.com/dossiers/D20120816/mats-hummels-165416_L.jpg

his brother, jonas hummels
http://mediadb.kicker.de/2012/fussball/spieler/xl/54951_38_2011715125754331.jpg

[Leto]

i think he doesn't have foreign ancestry. maybe he has some jewish ancestry... but I've seen some austrians and germans that had dark features
Hansi Müller is also German, yet he is a wog.
http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/79648059-sport-football-pic-circa-1981-hansi-muller-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=Z0zsWpN2ukUDXYqF4boPJRKRXAmdtrPpkETrvs%2BwoKgUxY RftMctXfbG4dKj8%2Bnq
http://www.yaoheng.info/autos/germany/M/Muller,Hansi.jpg

[Ulla]

There are Austrians like him.

[Corvus]

I am Vienna now and I am kind of amused of this threads: "Is he ethnic Austrian because he is dark"
Plenty of swarthies here. More than in Budapest.

But again, Vienna does not represent Austrians. Its a Slavic-Hungarain-German-Jewish
mix

[Tiberio]

Another similar austrian is Karl Wendlinger, i don't know if he is 100% ethnic though.

[Antimage]

Another similar austrian is Karl Wendlinger, i don't know if he is 100% ethnic though.

he's very likely to be 100% ethnic austrian. his phenotype isn't foreign to austria

[Cristiano viejo]

he's very likely to be 100% ethnic austrian. his phenotype isn't foreign to austria
lol
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkZRnBYkMWtEOvgKf4hSqvlexHr-R3XqZLc3LFDG3x15eK4l7v2w

[Antimage]

lol
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkZRnBYkMWtEOvgKf4hSqvlexHr-R3XqZLc3LFDG3x15eK4l7v2w

what lol? he looks austrian to me.i have been to austria. not all austrians are blonde haired blue eyed. that's only a stereotype

[Tooting Carmen]

In the third photo he looks almost Mestizo, but in the others he looks kind of Alpine-Med. Austria is next to Italy and Slovenia, after all, so there must be some darker and more Mediterranean-looking people here and there.

[Corvus]

In the third photo he looks almost Mestizo, but in the others he looks kind of Alpine-Med. Austria is next to Italy and Slovenia, after all, so there must be some darker and more Mediterranean-looking people here and there.

Slovenian genetical influx does not darken Austrians. Slovenians are in general Baltid or Nordid looking. More the Hungarian, Jewish in the east and in the west Italian influence is causing the Pontid/Mediterranian appearance of some South Germans

[Ivan Kramskoï]

He could, his features are not alien at all.
I've been only to Vienna but it seems that in males dark brown hair is the norm.
And dark eyes are relatively common there (35-40 % seems right).

[Corvus]

He could, his features are not alien at all.
I've been only to Vienna but it seems that in males dark brown hair is the norm.
And dark eyes are relatively common there (35-40 % seems right).

Indeed Vienna is regarding the population almost South European, but bear in mind that there are lots of immigrants
and what matters even more it does not represent the rest of Austria. On the countryside (no matter in which direction you go)
people look far more German/Celtic and occasionally Slavic.

[TheForeigner]

He has a French surname, in case no one noticed. Actor Maximilian Schmell from Austria should also be considered.

[Corvus]

He has a French surname, in case no one noticed. Actor Maximilian Schmell from Austria should also be considered.

Its not his real name

[finþaų]

He has a French surname, in case no one noticed. Actor Maximilian Schmell from Austria should also be considered.

In case you didn't notice his birth name was given as "Heidrich".

[TheForeigner]

Slovenian genetical influx does not darken Austrians. Slovenians are in general Baltid or Nordid looking. More the Hungarian, Jewish in the east and in the west Italian influence is causing the Pontid/Mediterranian appearance of some South Germans

Why would so many Italians and Hungarians have been assimilated by Austrians or other southern Germans? And people, as is usual, are responding with the ''not all are blond and blue eyed'' routine , but this man is a bit dark skinned too and not just brunet. I think his swartiness caused him to look less Germanic to the OP and certainly not his dark eyes and hair, which must be very common among Germans.

[TheForeigner]

Looks like an Iberian, Italian or Greek to me. Very southern looking.

[Corvus]

Why would so many Italians and Hungarians have been assimilated by Austrians or other southern Germans? And people, as is usual, are responding with the ''not all are blond and blue eyed'' routine , but this man is a bit dark skinned too and not just brunet. I think his swartiness caused him to look less Germanic to the OP and certainly not his dark eyes and hair, which must be very common among Germans.

Well Austria is in the heart of Europe. It has been a crossroad of many ethnicities since prehistory. And during the time of the Austro Hungarian empire an enormous number of people immigrated esp. to Vienna because it offered the highest chances to find labour. this is also reflected by lots of Slavic, Jewish (esp. from Gallicia and Bohemia) and Hungarian surnames. You do not even have to go through the telephone register. A walk through the streets with a glimpse at shopping owners is enough.
And in the West you have some Italian genetical impact, esp. in the province of Tyrol.

Regarding this guy and his dark skin complexion. Well he is obviously into tanning in summer....

[TheForeigner]

Well Austria is in the heart of Europe. It has been a crossroad of many ethnicities since prehistory. And during the time of the Austro Hungarian empire an enormous number of people immigrated esp. to Vienna because it offered the highest chances to find labour. this is also reflected by lots of Slavic, Jewish (esp. from Gallicia and Bohemia) and Hungarian surnames. You do not even have to go through the telephone register. A walk through the streets with a glimpse at shopping owners is enough.
And in the West you have some Italian genetical impact, esp. in the province of Tyrol.

Regarding this guy and his dark skin complexion. Well he is obviously into tanning in summer....

Why would Slavs or Hungarians bring darker types? And Italian influence why or how and when it came?

[Corvus]

Why would Slavs or Hungarians bring darker types? And Italian influence why or how and when it came?

This can be debated, but Jews do and Gypsies too

[TheForeigner]

This can be debated, but Jews do and Gypsies too

Hm have Austrian intermarried much with Jews and Gypsies too? Well some South Slavs would also be on the more brunet side, but from where Italian influence?

[Corvus]

Hm have Austrian intermarried much with Jews and Gypsies too? Well some South Slavs would also be on the more brunet side, but from where Italian influence?

I guess so. You have to refer to scientific studies to find sth. about the Italian influence in the West. I assume it dates back to Roman times.
About the rest. Come to Vienna yourself to witness the "Non German" phenotypes of most inhabitants.

[WOOHP]

Hungarians, Italians claiming him to be an ethnic Austiran when infact he's without any doubt not purely ethnic Austrian but an assimilated Italian/Hungarian. Deal with it.

[WOOHP]

Why would Slavs or Hungarians bring darker types? And Italian influence why or how and when it came?

Because they are darker?

[TheForeigner]

Because they are darker?

Only South Slavs you mean and maybe not Slovenes or Hungarians(not Slavic I know) and North Croats either.

[Longbowman]

In the third picture he looks much more like a turtle than a person.

[Ulla]

Hungarians, Italians claiming him to be an ethnic Austiran when infact he's without any doubt not purely ethnic Austrian but an assimilated Italian/Hungarian. Deal with it.

You have no idea of what is an ethnic Austrian.

[Also]

He's a tr00 austrian, with a certificate of aryaness. Close topic.

[Ulla]

I guess so. You have to refer to scientific studies to find sth. about the Italian influence in the West. I assume it dates back to Roman times. About the rest. Come to Vienna yourself to witness the "Non German" phenotypes of most inhabitants.

I guess before Roman times and it has little to do with an Italian influence but more with some tribes living in the Alps since prehistoric times (example the Raeti-Räter).

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Looks a bit Indid or triracial but he definitely has west european mix as well.

[Cristiano viejo]

what lol? he looks austrian to me.i have been to austria. not all austrians are blonde haired blue eyed. that's only a stereotype
Perfect, perfect :thumb001:

[FeederOfRavens]

He looks YugoSlav or Italian.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Mats Hummels, 100% german from germany
Whereas his pigmentation is southern European influenced, in features he is clearly Northern.

[FeederOfRavens]

i think he doesn't have foreign ancestry. maybe he has some jewish ancestry... but I've seen some austrians and germans that had dark features

Mats Hummels, 100% german from germany
http://imworld.aufeminin.com/dossiers/D20120816/mats-hummels-165416_L.jpg

his brother, jonas hummels
http://mediadb.kicker.de/2012/fussball/spieler/xl/54951_38_2011715125754331.jpg

Both look like Hunnish leftovers.

[Ctwentysevenj]

A light Austrian Stefan Koubek, he is from the southern province of Carinthia
http://www.atpworldtour.com/~/media/D36DFB6A77D44C138F9EEA8091450FD4.ashx?w=148&h=198
http://www.tennisserver.com/turbo/images/pilotpen05/waite/Koubek4.jpg

[Ulla]

A light Austrian Stefan Koubek, he is from the southern province of Carinthia


Koubek seems a Czech surname.

[Antimage]

Hungarians, Italians claiming him to be an ethnic Austiran when infact he's without any doubt not purely ethnic Austrian but an assimilated Italian/Hungarian. Deal with it.

there are swarthy austrians and germans without foreign ancestry. get over it

[Antimage]

Why would Slavs or Hungarians bring darker types? And Italian influence why or how and when it came?

Zita Szucsánszki, hungarian handball player, the surname has slavic origins


http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQu8rbwvEjQNvnwX4hqKGHsXzTYiDaic M7eYZ_KPw76qxu3HBaDBw
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/AUqkqonLRHU/hqdefault.jpg

[Styrian Mujo]

I am Vienna now and I am kind of amused of this threads: "Is he ethnic Austrian because he is dark"
Plenty of swarthies here. More than in Budapest.

But again, Vienna does not represent Austrians. Its a Slavic-Hungarain-German-Jewish
mix

Viennese are definetly mongrels.

[Styrian Mujo]

I think he must have Jewish ancestry. If he had partial Italian,Hungarian or Slavic ancestry it wouldn't reflect in his phenotype as much as if has Jewish ancestry IMO.

[RighNick]

I don't care about how "Aryan" or Germanic or "pure" he is. I didn't mean to disparage him or suggest that he wasn't a true Austrian. He simply has an interesting look and since I'm not too familiar with Austrians I was wondering whether there were many others there who looked like him.

[special]

he looks south asian in the 3rd pic

[Ctwentysevenj]

He looks different to this Austrian, the Austrian Foreign Minister. I would consider this as a standard look for an Austrian male
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/2012-05-31_0007_Wien20_Di-Tech_Sebastian_Kurz.JPG/800px-2012-05-31_0007_Wien20_Di-Tech_Sebastian_Kurz.JPG

[Ctwentysevenj]

Looking at the third pictures, looks like he may have some gypsy in him.