slovak vegan bodybuilder

[revealman]

our slovak shepherd ancestors were vegetarians anyway, they ate meat very sparingly and mostly ate fruits, vegetables, milk and oats..

http://www.pramen.info/c/1192/strava-nasich-predkov.htm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcf_x_TYCjk

http://s21.postimg.org/5s37oexzb/KOLAC.jpg

[Antimage]

hungarian surname

[revealman]

haha you magyar nomads are ridiculous.. your fantasy and pathetic behaviour is endless..

(Dudáš): occupational name for a piper, from Slavic dude ‘bagpipes’.

you magyars need some medication for your syndrome..

[revealman]

The yurt was a practical ‘house’ of the wandering nomadic tribes, thus the Hungarian as well. Due to the lifestyle of holding a huge livestock has this tent-like build-up evolved, with trussed walls, dome-like rooftop, covered in felt. The yurts’ most important feature, the highest possible mobility it has granted due to its built-up, was essential on the steppes ruled by the change of seasons, when it came to pack and move to new habitable fields. http://www.nomadcamp.eu/?/1/2/en

here you have your architecture trolls..

[blogen]

haha you magyar nomads are ridiculous.. your fantasy and pathetic behaviour is endless..
(Dudáš): occupational name for a piper, from Slavic dude ‘bagpipes’.
you magyars need some medication for your syndrome..

dudás = duda (bagpipe)* + "s" suffix = piper

*from the South Slavic duda (reed) in the Hungarian language

And this name is Hungarian origin in the Slovak, Roman, etc. languages, since the Slovakian name is Gajdoš onto the piper (gajdy = bagpipe).

Sorry. :D

[Antimage]

haha you magyar nomads are ridiculous.. your fantasy and pathetic behaviour is endless..

(Dudáš): occupational name for a piper, from Slavic dude ‘bagpipes’.

you magyars need some medication for your syndrome..

Dudás is a hungarian surname, but it's normal for slovaks to have hungarians surnames, cuz top10 surnames in slovakia are hungarian
so, slovaks are slavicized magyars

[Fakirbakir]

slovaks are slavicized magyars

Due to the thousand years old common history, it's impossible to make distinction between a Slovak and a Hungarian person. The only difference is the language spoken.

[Fakirbakir]

The yurt was a practical ‘house’ of the wandering nomadic tribes, thus the Hungarian as well. Due to the lifestyle of holding a huge livestock has this tent-like build-up evolved, with trussed walls, dome-like rooftop, covered in felt. The yurts’ most important feature, the highest possible mobility it has granted due to its built-up, was essential on the steppes ruled by the change of seasons, when it came to pack and move to new habitable fields. http://www.nomadcamp.eu/?/1/2/en

here you have your architecture trolls..

There is no proof that the Hungarians ever used Yurts.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Just more proof bodybuilder = ghey

[revealman]

hey magyars do not spam my threads with you chauvinistic nonsense fantasy, every sane historian knows you adopted slavic culture and customs and there is no evidence of any magyar settlement/kingdom before you came to great moravia/nitra principality in 10th century.. your vocabulary is full of slavic words and the magyars did not have bagpipes, dudy is a slavic word..

http://www.opusztaszerimenes.hu/en/oldal/jurtaszallas

troll around in hungarian forum, you get boring with your fantasy history

Once again: "Dudel" in the German word "Dudelsack" comes from the slavic word for Bagpipe ("Duda", "Dude", "Dudy" a.s.o.). I

hungary is not a magyar country, 60% is slavic genetics, 30% germanic and the rest is vlach, romanian and just a small percentage is magyar(haplogroup N, Q), so you cannot be ugrofinns or huns because genetics tells otherwise!! you are mostly magyarised slavs and germans... languages change but genetics stay and always tell the truth! thats why you have surnames such as nemeth(german)and names as laszlo(ladislav)

[revealman]

Slavs were your teachers you adopted all from us:



bujný, čistý, čudo, drahý, hrubý, chyba, kŕč, nemý, pustý, riedky, štípať, štrbavý, tupý - buja, tista, drága, goromba, hiba, görč, néma, pusta, ritka, čípni, čorba, tompa




family, householding:



baba (pôrodná), dojka, plienka, povíjadlo, pletka, kmotor, vnuk, sluha, sused, čeľaď, obrus, pivnica, podlaha, povala, pokrovec, pitvor, dvor, smeti, pohár, črepina, čaša, kľúč, kľučka – bába, dajka, pelenka, póľa, pleťka, koma, unoka, solga, somséd, čeléd, abros, pince, padló, padláš, pakróc, pitvar, udvar, semét, pohár, čerép, čése, kuľč, kilinč



Zaujímavou výpoveďou o základnom usporiadaní ugorskej nomádskej spoločnosti je, že maďarčina nepozná výrazy „dcéra“ a „syn“ a neprevzala ich ani zo slovanských jazykov – nahrádza ich popisným „moje dievča“ (lányom) a „môj chlapec“ (fiam).




Nature, landscape:



potok, močiar, skala, rovina, chrastie, raždie, iskra, víchor – patak, močár, sikla, rónaság, harast, röže, sikra, vihar




Animals:



baran, býk, byvoľ, kapún, kanec, kačica, medveď, pavúk, potkan, rak, pijavica, hlísta, svrček, moľ – báráň, bivaľ, kappan, kan, kača, medve, pók, patkáň, rák, pijóca, gilista, tüčök, moľ




Birds:



bažant, cíbik, čížik, holub, hrdlička, kaňa, pinka, sluka, sojka, stehlík, straka, vrabec – fácán, bibic, galamb, gerlice, káňa, pinť, salonka, sajkó, štiglic, sarka, veréb




Fish:



karas, mrena, pstruh, šťuka – kárás, márna, pistráng, čuka




Trees and plants:



baza, brečtan, buk, čerešňa, cer (dub cerový), javor, slivka, tis, hlohyňa, kalina, orgován, malina, šípka, huba, mach, tekvica, dyňa, mak, repa, cvikla, kapusta, bôb, brekyňa, reďkovka, raž, uhorka, kúkoľ – bodza, borošťán, bükk, čeresne, čerfa, jávor, silva, tisafa, galagoňa, káňa, orgonafa, málna, čipke, gomba, moha, tök, diňňe, mák, répa, cékla, káposta, bab, berekňe, retek, rož, uborka, konkoľ




Agriculture:



cepy, brány, klas, slama, seno, sečka, obrok, brázda, stoh, kozol, hnoj, plevy, črieda, jarmo - čép, borona, kalás, salma, séna, sečka, abrak, barázda, astag, kazal, ganaj, peľva, čorda, járom








skilled crafts and trades:



kováč, kovať, podkova, sekerka, kosa, hrable, vidly, čakan, lopata, obruč, britva – kováč, kováčolni, patkó, sekerce, kasa, gereble, villa, čákáň, lapát, abronč, borotva; kotol, kanva, džber – katlan, kanna, čöbör; stolár, doska, klietka, polica, skriňa, stôl – astaloš, deska, kalitka, polc, sekréň, astal;



debnár, dieža, kaďa, vedro, táčky, taligy, sane, člnok, loďka – bodnár, déža, kád, vödör, talička, taliga, sán čónak, ladik; mlynár, mlyn – molnár, malom;



sito – sita;



kôš – košár;



mäsiar, mäsiarstvo - mésároš , mésársék (12)




and many more:



brloh, búda, šiator, temnica, izba, guľa, kocka, škatuľa, kresťan, pohan, peklo, kráľ, nádvorník, komorník, komorná, kľúčiar, tlmočník, rab, jarmo, palica, korbáč, pečať, peniaze, kupec, merať, mierka, žoch, záloh, úžerník, úžera, čiapka, šál, šuba, kepeň, kabát, obed, večera, halušky, kaša, koláč, pečienka, slanina, klobása, tvaroh, soľ, ocot, med, cesto, kvas, pleseň, atď. a z dní v týždni stredný, štvrtý a piaty deň – barlang, bódé, šátor, tömnöc, goľó, kocka, škatoľa, keresťén, pogáň, pokol, kiráľ, nádor, komorňik, komorna, kulčár, tolmáč, rab, járom, pálca, korbáč, pečét, pénz, mérni, mérce, žák, zálog, užoráš, užora, šapka, šál, šuba, köpeň, kabát, ebéd, vačora, galuška, káša, kaláč, pečeňe, salonna, kolbás, túró, šó, ecet, méz, tésta, kovás, penés, serda, čütörtök a péntek.

all stolen from slavs.. you are not huns or ugrofinns look at the gentics map of hungary, slavic genes dominate your dna, there are 5% haplogroup N (ugrofinnic) and 3% haplogroup Q (huns protomagyars onogurs) 90% is slavic R1a !!! learn real history and stop trolling around.

[Antimage]

hey magyars do not spam my threads with you chauvinistic nonsense fantasy, every sane historian knows you adopted slavic culture and customs and there is no evidence of any magyar settlement/kingdom before you came to great moravia/nitra principality in 10th century.. your vocabulary is full of slavic words and the magyars did not have bagpipes, dudy is a slavic word..

http://www.opusztaszerimenes.hu/en/oldal/jurtaszallas

troll around in hungarian forum, you get boring with your fantasy history

Once again: "Dudel" in the German word "Dudelsack" comes from the slavic word for Bagpipe ("Duda", "Dude", "Dudy" a.s.o.). I

hungary is not a magyar country, 60% is slavic genetics, 30% germanic and the rest is vlach, romanian and just a small percentage is magyar(haplogroup N, Q), so you cannot be ugrofinns or huns because genetics tells otherwise!! you are mostly magyarised slavs and germans... languages change but genetics stay and always tell the truth! thats why you have surnames such as nemeth(german)and names as laszlo(ladislav)

Dudás is a hungarian surname, it has no meaning in slovkian languge. In hungarian it means a 'person with bagpipes' or 'piper'. Duda=pipe
s=suffix

7 out 10 most common surnames in slovakia are hungarian. and 1 is a slovakian surname but has hungarian origins(Balaz). That is really embarassing for mad slovak nationalists


1 30,813 Horváth "Croat" (hungarian surname)
2 29,079 Kováč "Blacksmith" (from Slavic, from Indo-European)
3 21,650 Varga "Leatherworker, cobbler" (from Hungarian, from Ugric)[27]
4 21,604 Tóth "Slovak (Slav)" (hungarian surname)[27][45]
5 19,341 Nagy "Large/Tall" (from Hungarian, from Ugric)[27]
6 14,114 Baláž "Blessed" (slovak surname but hungarian origin)
7 13,998 Szabó "Tailor" (from Hungarian, from Ugric)[27]
8 12,632 Molnár "Miller" (hungarian surname)[27]
9 10,872 Balog "Left-handed" (from Ugric (Hungarian),[27] or from Slavic "marsh", or both)
10 9,718 Lukáč "Luke" (from Latin Lucas, from Greek)

[Antimage]

r1a has nothing to do with slavicness. north germany and norway has more r1a than countries like serbia, croatia and bulgaria. also it has high frequency i kyrgyzistan and tajikistan

[Fakirbakir]

hungary is not a magyar country, 60% is slavic genetics, 30% germanic and the rest is vlach, romanian and just a small percentage is magyar(haplogroup N, Q), so you cannot be ugrofinns or huns because genetics tells otherwise!! you are mostly magyarised slavs and germans... languages change but genetics stay and always tell the truth! thats why you have surnames such as nemeth(german)and names as laszlo(ladislav)

Really? 60/30? Then pls provide sources to back up your assertions. Why do you think that Y-DNA Q and N are "Hungarian" haplogroups?

[Fakirbakir]

90% is slavic R1a !!!
???
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/R1a._Info-19.05.2014.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/R1a-map.JPG/400px-R1a-map.JPG

[revealman]

i guess you can read yourself! there is absolutely nothing magyar or hunic or ugrofinnic in hungarians eccept their adopted language they are slavs,celts and germans by dna! R1a and R1b!!! http://www.jowsey.com/genealogy/genetic/europe-haplogroups.png

hungarian nationalists are living in delusions and deceptions..

[revealman]

Dudás is a hungarian surname, it has no meaning in slovkian languge. In hungarian it means a 'person with bagpipes' or 'piper'. Duda=pipe
s=suffix

first of all, a bagpipe is the instrument used by slovak and polsih shepherds, not hungarian nomads they did not know what is a window so how could they know what is a bagpipe there is no evidence of any magyar culture and settlement before you came to great moravia/nitra principality!!! show me evidence for your lies... dudas is from slavic piper! dudy = bagpipes, http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dudziarz#Polish

by the way slovaks are brothers with polish people we were separated by you magyar savage nomads in 10th century before we were part of great moravia (kingdom of slavs)

7 out 10 most common surnames in slovakia are hungarian. and 1 is a slovakian surname but has hungarian origins(Balaz). That is really embarassing for mad slovak nationalists


1 30,813 Horváth "Croat" (hungarian surname) wrong it is from slavic = hrvat = croatian
2 29,079 Kováč "Blacksmith" (from Slavic, from Indo-European) wrong it is from slavic kovac = smith
3 21,650 Varga "Leatherworker, cobbler" (from Hungarian, from Ugric)[27]
4 21,604 Tóth "Slovak (Slav)" (hungarian surname)[27][45]
5 19,341 Nagy "Large/Tall" (from Hungarian, from Ugric)[27]
6 14,114 Baláž "Blessed" (slovak surname but hungarian origin) wrong it is slavic from blažený = blessed
7 13,998 Szabó "Tailor" (from Hungarian, from Ugric)[27]
8 12,632 Molnár "Miller" (hungarian surname)[27] wwrong it is from slavic mlynár = miller
9 10,872 Balog "Left-handed" (from Ugric (Hungarian),[27] or from Slavic "marsh", or both)
10 9,718 Lukáč "Luke" (from Latin Lucas, from Greek) wrong it is from slavic lúka = field

again you magyars are full of lies and fantasy ..

[revealman]

r1a has nothing to do with slavicness. north germany and norway has more r1a than countries like serbia, croatia and bulgaria. also it has high frequency i kyrgyzistan and tajikistan
are you borderline? slavs have 90% R1a!!! celts have 90% R1b and germanics are originally haplogrouop I1!!!

learn real history and genetics and do not spread chauvinistic lies and fantasy!!! your claims are based on wishfull thinking and beliefs mine are based on real genetics and history!!!

[revealman]

as for your claims slovaks lokk like "mongols" (while magyars are cousins to mansi, khanty, lanki, turkmens, uyghurs)

here are you magyars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxVz1cZYnMU

[revealman]

we slavs have more european blood than you we are R1a cousins of celts r1b we make up 90% of european dna haplogroup R!!!
we are also brothers of nordics haplogroup I1 just look how much viking blood poland has!!!! wolin was once a wiking city and harbour! skol ravens !!! ignore those hungarian trolls fools and liars...

magyars = turkic ugric uyghur kazakh turkmen nomads...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxVz1cZYnMU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inQrMmIodC0

[revealman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7wxm7xBDgA

[revealman]

who is more european?? fools..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irkLhvHCrc8

[Antimage]

wrong it is from slavic lúka = field

again you magyars are full of lies and fantasy ..
horváth is croatian in hungarian language. What it means doesn't matter at all. It is a hungarian word. U think every person with that surname is croatian? It is hungarian surname

Balaz come from Balázs which is hungarian surname and given name
Molnár is hungarian too, it means nothing n sovakian

Slovaks with surnames like horváth, molnár, balog etc are assimilated hungarians


are you really claiming that ethnic slovakians use hungarian words as their surnames? don't make me laugh

[revealman]

who is more european?? fools..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irkLhvHCrc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBs3MP90hJE

[Antimage]

are you borderline? slavs have 90% R1a!!! celts have 90% R1b and germanics are originally haplogrouop I1!!!

learn real history and genetics and do not spread chauvinistic lies and fantasy!!! your claims are based on wishfull thinking and beliefs mine are based on real genetics and history!!!

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[revealman]

you magyar nomad savages spread your chauvinistic bullshit since you arrived here in 10th century and wonder you are hated throughout all slavic nations and romanians and chorvats and we separated from you after monarchy because you are sociopathic chauvinistic megalomaniacs?!!!..

slavic pride


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bwHpP5nP4

[Antimage]

and how the fuck is Q haplogroup is a "magyar haplogroup"? It has higher frequency in germany ,slovakia, sweden than in hungary

also i don't understand why you clam N is a magyar haplogroup too.

[Antimage]

you magyar nomad savages spread your chauvinistic bullshit since you arrived here in 10th century and wonder you are hated throughout all slavic nations and romanians and chorvats and we separated from you after monarchy because you are sociopathic chauvinistic megalomaniacs?!!!..

slavic pride


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bwHpP5nP4

stop spreading bullshit, i have been both to slovakia and croatia and didn't experience any kind of hatred. i have been treated well. about romania i dunno, maybe they hate us. there are a lot of hungarian-slovak interethnic marriages in slovakia.

[revealman]

we are really mongols as you hungarian chauvinists claim it is obvious... :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lik4Sqx0ZQs

[blogen]

stop spreading bullshit, i have been both to slovakia and croatia and didn't experience any kind of hatred. i have been treated well. about romania i dunno, maybe they hate us. there are a lot of hungarian-slovak interethnic marriages in slovakia.

Why do you talk to this dumb neo-nazi kiddo? This is your level too? There is a reason why the majority here do not argue with Stears & others...

[Antimage]

we are really mongols as hungarians claim it is obvious... :D

[video=youtube;Lik4Sqx0Z[/video]

stop derailing the thread with videos that nobody care about. better reply to my posts

[revealman]

you magyars are completely out of your mind.. you falsify history to feel better about yourselves while the truth is you are nothing but magyarized slavs.. the original magyar nomads are 3% of your dna

you need a reality pill and come down from your trip..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuACNYyQehI

[Cern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bwHpP5nP4



Croats and Hungarians friends. Unfortunately the Slovaks inferiority complex about the Hungarians but not so much different from the way people think.

[Antimage]

you magyars are completely out of your mind.. you falsify history to feel better about yourselves while the truth is you are nothing but magyarized slavs.. the original magyar nomads are 3% of your dna

you need a reality pill and come down from your trip..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuACNYyQehI

hungarian-turkish brotherhood has no scientific basis. it's a fantasy. We are not related to turks nor linguistically neither genetically

[revealman]

Why do you talk to this dumb neo-nazi kiddo? This is your level too? There is a reason why the majority here do not argue with Stears & others...
haha idiot you forgot you are the one who started to mock slovakians in this forum!!! chauvinist troll

[revealman]

hungarian-turkish brotherhood has no scientific basis. it's a fantasy. We are not related to turks nor linguistically neither genetically
really lets have a look..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY2_KPptKO8

[Antimage]

slovaks have higher frequency of siberian N haplogroup than hungarians.

[revealman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y9rrzYREgA

[Antimage]

really lets have a look..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY2_KPptKO8

so this is a scientific source to you?

as i said, hungarians aren't related to turks nor linguistically neither genetically. ugric languages and altaic languages aren't proven to have a common genetic ancestor

[revealman]

slovaks have higher frequency of siberian N haplogroup than hungarians.
because you nomads raped our slavic women..

i repeat all genetic evidence proofs hungarians are magyarised assimilated slavs from great moravia and balaton principality!!!

[Cern]

Why do you talk to this dumb neo-nazi kiddo? This is your level too? There is a reason why the majority here do not argue with Stears & others...

Illes not even a "hungarian nationalist". This kid immediately behaves like a chauvinist idiot.

[Antimage]

really lets have a look..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY2_KPptKO8

so this is a scientific source to you?

as i said, hungarians aren't related to turks nor linguistically neither genetically. ugric languages and altaic languages aren't proven to have a common genetic ancestor

i can also upload videos to youtube about slovakin-turkish brotherhood but that doesn't prove that slovaks and turks are related

[Antimage]

because you nomads raped our slavic women..

i repeat all genetic evidence proofs hungarians are magyarised assimilated slavs from great moravia and balaton principality!!!
so slovaks have more ancient magyar blood than the hungarians themselves? it seems slovaks are indeed slavicized magyars. it's also the reason why most frequent surnames in slovakia are hungarian.

[Antimage]

R1a has higher frequency in Tajiks, Kyrgyz than in any slavic nations. It has also high frequency in north india... Not to mention Norway has higher R1a than balkan slavs... so this idea that "R1a= slavic blood" is an absolute bullshit

[Antimage]

Kyrgyz people, they have 63% R1a(higher than any slavic country), must be so slavic!



http://www.hansrossel.com/fotos/fotografie/kyrgistan/kyr_x15_std.jpg
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/images/stories/large/2010/10/11/PHOTO3-105130008-WEB.jpg

[Cern]

http://i59.tinypic.com/nn33tu.png

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups_by_region.shtml

[Fakirbakir]

because you nomads raped our slavic women..

If it was true the Hungarian language couldn't have survived

[revealman]

Kyrgyz people, they have 63% R1a(higher than any slavic country), must be so slavic!



http://www.hansrossel.com/fotos/fotografie/kyrgistan/kyr_x15_std.jpg
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/images/stories/large/2010/10/11/PHOTO3-105130008-WEB.jpg
they are mixed! who can you compare mongols to white poeple?! since the udssr there are so many mixed people there, they are a mix between turkic and slavic people from former udssr

[revealman]

hungarians are closely related to estonians and finns, and guess what, they both are haplogroup N dominant..


If they had allotted a little bit more time to acquaint themselves to Finnish-Hungarian vocabulary comparisons resulting from linguistical research, they had noticed, in addition to those astonishingly close similarities, that there are even a bigger number of related words which are not right away recognized as such, e.g., Hung. k é z (hand) = Finn. k ä s i , Hung. v é r (blood) = Finn. v e r i, Hung. m é z (honey) = Finn. m e s i, Hung. s z a r v (horn) = Finn. s a r v i, Hung. v a j (butter) = Finn. v o i, Hung. e l e v e n (alive) = Finn. e l ä v ä, Hung. m e n n i (to go) = Finn. m e n n ä, Hung. r e p e d (to be torn) = Finn. r e p e ä ä etc.. which give a direct hint to a common origin. To notice similarities between Hung. f e j (head) = Finn. p ä ä, Hung. f é s z e k (nest) = Finn. p e s ä, Hung. f é l (to be afraid) = Finn. p e l k ä ä, Hung. f a k a d (to become fulfilled) = Finn. p a k a h t u a and other words is considerably more difficult, if you are not aware that the letter f in the beginning of the word regularly match the Finnish p. Or, the letter n in Finnish is often replaced by ny in Hungarian, as in Finn. n i e l l ä (swallow) = Hung. n y e l n i, Finn. m i n i ä (daughter-in-law) = Hung. m e n y.http://www.histdoc.net/sounds/hungary.html
here is how ugrofinns look like:
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9722/cba41a7bed9736852.jpg
http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f2/14826d1194470493-8-people-killed-shooting-incident-high-school-jokela-finland-natural-selector-0..jpg

language proofs you came here from finnland and mixed with original slavic population!!!

as i said at the time when slovaks had their nitra and pannonian principality you were still nomads, show me one proof you did not live in yurtas and had an own advanced culture before you came here in 10th century!!! there is none..

the fact you use our word for window proofs you did not know windows before you came here..
also you have hundreds more slavic words in hungarian language

[revealman]

http://i59.tinypic.com/nn33tu.png

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups_by_region.shtml
wow!!! 3% so much.. it is a leftover from your ugrofinnic invasions because haplogroup N = ugrofinns not slavs! R1a is slavic, the largest culture with R1a are slavs!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)#mediaviewer/File:Europe_Y-DNA..jpg

balkan slavs are haplogroup I2 and R1a, an exception are serbs they have more african dna haplogroup E3b, croats and bosnians and serbs are haplogroup I2 they are more related genetically to scandinavians I1!

R1a = slavs, R1b = celts, J2 = romans, greeks, I1 = germanics..

think logically not chauvinistically, if on the territory of todays slovakia and hungary there was a slavic great moravian empire before arrival of magyars in 10th century you think the slavic population magically disappeared after you came here?!... makes no sense
this only futher proofs hungarians must be magyarised slavs because you carry more R1a then your ugrofinnic brothers who are dominated by haplogroup N!!!

slavs are R1a and slavic language is closely related to sanskrit!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixkd9phZX4g

[blogen]

Haplogroup N1 is a Slavic marker in Central Europe.

http://img.ie/cgohq.jpg

The J between the Hungarians are mostly a steppic origin strain, the Alanian/Kabar/Jassic peoples were the carriers:
http://img.ie/3y223.jpg

Haplogroup R1 is an Eastern European marker without ethnical designation, since the R1 was the basic haplogroup of the Iranian steppic peoples too. The Hungarian strains are mostly the Eastern European steppe related strains.

The R1b was the basic marker of the non-Indoeuropean Bellbeaker colonists.

[Antimage]

hungarians are closely related to estonians and finns, and guess what, they both are haplogroup N dominant..


hungarians aren't related to finns and estonians at all, we have totally different genetics than them. only our language is similar.
have you heard about language shift? black americans speak germanic language and they're racially african. you are a fool to think language=ethicity/race

[revealman]

turn it around with lies and wishfull thinking as much as you want, the fact that slovaks and hungarians have both dominat haplogroup R1a proofs we are brothers by blood and only difference is language and the only conflict is cultural not genetic..

http://s9.postimg.org/4me08ksv3/slovaci_madari.png

i dont give a shit about culture and language because both change over time but only dna proofs who is really related to each other not culture...

as far as haplogroup N and Q go, both hungary and slovakia have only about 3 percent which is peanuts..

we have both the same dna, should we now make war because our language is different?! this is idiotic

[Duke]

dudás = duda (bagpipe)* + "s" suffix = piper

*from the South Slavic duda (reed) in the Hungarian language

And this name is Hungarian origin in the Slovak, Roman, etc. languages, since the Slovakian name is Gajdoš onto the piper (gajdy = bagpipe).

Sorry. :D
no no we say gajde, or diple, depends on a type of bagpipes, duda is this (https://www.onlinebabystore.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/n/tn_hb1.jpg)
Diple, Dalmatian type
http://hrvati.ch/images/stories/slike/velike/koncerti/080503_bulic_zecic/080503_diple.jpg

Gajde, Slavonian type
http://www.gajde.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/stjepan1.png

Dudaš translated from Croatian would be something like suckler, or even sucker :P

[revealman]

hungarians aren't related to finns and estonians at all, we have totally different genetics than them. only our language is similar.
have you heard about language shift? black americans speak germanic language and they're racially african. you are a fool to think language=ethicity/race
i agree!!!, this is why i tell you hungarians are more related to slavs than to huns or ugrofinns..

this nicely fits into the theory that the original great moravian population was magyarised by ugrofinnic language but genetically remained slavic..

[blogen]

no no we say gajde, or diple, depends on a type of bagpipes, duda is this (https://www.onlinebabystore.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/n/tn_hb1.jpg)
Diple, Dalmatian type
Dudaš translated from Croatian would be something like suckler

Then this type of duda, but finnaly the South-Slavic origin is the important, because of the word's form.

[Duke]

Then this type of duda, but finnaly the South-Slavic origin is the important, because of the word's form.

To me it sounds more in spirit of Slovakian than Croatian, maybe Slovenian

[revealman]

http://nsstraightedgeslovakia.blogspot.co.at/2012/08/spolu-proti-sovinizmu.html


Together against chauvinism NS Straight Edge movement as drugs, alcohol and smoking is also against chauvinism. Chauvinism is a belief in the superiority of their own nation or country, preaching nationalist exclusivity and incitement to hatred of other nations. Today we have bigger problems in Europe that we can only solve together. Together with other nations, we achieve more than if we were sharing. Chauvinism is also in Slovakia and Hungary as did, and it extended throughout Europe. Brothers and sisters have to fight together and not against sebe.Už never against brothers and sisters, if only together! Chauvinism is our enemy, let us fight against chauvinism.

[Cern]

i agree!!!, this is why i tell you hungarians are more related to slavs than to huns or ugrofinns..

this nicely fits into the theory that the original great moravian population was magyarised by ugrofinnic language but genetically remained slavic..

Why are you calling us mongoloid?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?153933-slovak-vegan-bodybuilder&p=3276676&viewfull=1#post3276676

[Antimage]

i agree!!!, this is why i tell you hungarians are more related to slavs than to huns or ugrofinns..

this nicely fits into the theory that the original great moravian population was magyarised by ugrofinnic language but genetically remained slavic..

what's the proof that R1a in hungarians come from slovaks/slavs? I really don't see how r1a is an exclusively slavic trait

"These peoples originated from different parts of the Eurasian steppes, anywhere between Eastern Europe and Central Asia, which is why such high STR diversity is found within Balkanic R1a nowadays. It is not yet possible to determine the ethnic origin for each variety of R1a, apart from the fact that about any R1a is associated with tribes from Eurasian steppe at one point in history."

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml

[revealman]

Why are you calling us mongoloid?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?153933-slovak-vegan-bodybuilder&p=3276676&viewfull=1#post3276676
it was just a reaction to the ridiculous claims of illes and stears who said slavs are mongoloid! and it is partially true that a portion of hungarians are asiatic because some of those tribes which comprised the old magyars were asian.. you should know this it is your history

the original asiatic huns are bulgarians, it is not a coincidence bulgarian and hungarian flags are smiliar..

original magyars are related to bulgars and there is a difference between hungarians and magyars, magyars were hunnic asiatic tribes while hungarians are slavs speaking ugrofinnic language..

look here: http://kurultaj.hu/english/

you think the coat of arms of nitra(former nitra principality) is a slavic knight treading on a magyar asiatic hunnic warrior?! this is how your hunnic ancestors looked like when you came her 10th century..
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Erb_Nitrianskeho_samosprávneho_kraja.jpg

[blogen]

To me it sounds more in spirit of Slovakian than Croatian, maybe Slovenian

The Northwestern Slavonic word was dude and this is the reason, why the Hungarian duda was the consequence a South-Slavonic duda form.

[Duke]

The Northwestern Slavonic word was dude and this is the reason, why the Hungarian duda was the consequence a South-Slavonic duda form.

nope

You dont understand our language enough

Even if it was dude, which is plural, it would still be dudaš

There are some people with that surname In Croatia, and Serbia, of Slovak or Rusin ancestry

[Antimage]

they are mixed! who can you compare mongols to white poeple?! since the udssr there are so many mixed people there, they are a mix between turkic and slavic people from former udssr

no way they got the r1a from russians, because they have much higher r1a than the russians themselves. besides, there wasn't much intermarriages between russians and central asians.

"The Indo-Iranian migrations have resulted in high R1a frequencies in southern Central Asia, Iran and the Indian subcontinent. The highest frequency of R1a (about 65%) is reached in a cluster around Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and northern Afghanistan. In India and Pakistan, R1a ranges from 15 to 50% of the population, depending on the region, ethnic group and caste. R1a is generally stronger is the North-West of the subcontinent, and weakest in the Dravidian-speaking South (Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh) and from Bengal eastward. Over 70% of the Brahmins (highest caste in Hindusim) belong to R1a1, due to a founder effect. "

And yeah, hindi language is related to slavic languages, as much as it is related to all other indo european languages

[revealman]

The idea of establishing Kurultaj, the meeting of the Hungarian tribes, came about as a result of one of scientific expeditions to Kazakhstan organized by Zsolt Andras Biro, a Hungarian anthropologist and researcher at the Department of Anthropology of the Hungarian Natural History Musem. During a study in 2006, he collected DNA samples used to analyzing the Y chromosome. The results show that the connection between the Kazakh tribe called Madjar and the Hungarians of the Carpathian Basin (the Magyars) is not just in the name (pronunciation of Madjar and Magyar is identical), but are also linked via genetics. The results of this research have been published in one of the most prestigious (anthropological) scientific journals in the world the American Journal of Physical Anthropology. This work has prompted considerable international interest and brought members of the research group world recognition. In 2008, Zsolt Andras Biro was awarded recognition by the Minister of Culture of Kazakhstan, Mr. Ermuhamet Ertysbayev.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t9qH0eHnA0

[Duke]

wow!!! 3% so much.. it is a leftover from your ugrofinnic invasions because haplogroup N = ugrofinns not slavs! R1a is slavic, the largest culture with R1a are slavs!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)#mediaviewer/File:Europe_Y-DNA..jpg

balkan slavs are haplogroup I2 and R1a, an exception are serbs they have more african dna haplogroup E3b, croats and bosnians and serbs are haplogroup I2 they are more related genetically to scandinavians I1!

R1a = slavs, R1b = celts, J2 = romans, greeks, I1 = germanics..

think logically not chauvinistically, if on the territory of todays slovakia and hungary there was a slavic great moravian empire before arrival of magyars in 10th century you think the slavic population magically disappeared after you came here?!... makes no sense
this only futher proofs hungarians must be magyarised slavs because you carry more R1a then your ugrofinnic brothers who are dominated by haplogroup N!!!

slavs are R1a and slavic language is closely related to sanskrit!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixkd9phZX4g

I1=/=germanics, because germanics are indoeuropeans

[Insuperable]

nope

You dont understand our language enough

Even if it was dude, which is plural, it would still be dudaš

There are some people with that surname In Croatia, and Serbia, of Slovak or Rusin ancestry

I don't know about Serbia, but in Croatia non-Croats who have that name are equally Rusyns and Hungarians.

[Rugevit]

dudás = duda (bagpipe)* + "s" suffix = piper

*from the South Slavic duda (reed) in the Hungarian language

And this name is Hungarian origin in the Slovak, Roman, etc. languages, since the Slovakian name is Gajdoš onto the piper (gajdy = bagpipe).

Sorry. :D

Slavic name for instrument Bagpipe known as Duda exists in many Slavic languages including Belarusian , which did not have contacts with Hungarians. There is a verb 'dudzieć' (Belarusian) or dudet' (Russian) - to play a pipe. There is also a simple instrument 'dudka' (reedpipe). The term Duda is closely related to Lithuanian *daudà, daudýtė (reedpipe) or dūdénti (playing a reedpipe) or Latvian dudinât (making soft sounds or talking quietly). Turkic düdük is a coincidental consonance. Duda is Slavic name.

The information comes from Vasmer's dictionary of etymology.

дуда дуда́ уменьш. ду́дка, диал. также "волынка", "тот, кто пьет много воды", дуди́ть "много пить (особенно воды)", укр. ду́да, ду́дка – то же, ду́ди мн. "бычьи легкие", ду́дла мн. "волынка", словен. dúda, также dúde мн. "волынка", чеш., слвц. dudy, польск. dudy, в.-луж. duda. Родственно лит. *daudà, daudýtė "свирель", dūdénti "дудеть не переставая", лтш. dudinât "издавать негромкие звуки, тихо разговаривать"; см. Буга, РФВ 67, 237; 70, 105; М. – Э. 1, 510; Траутман, BSW 46 и сл. Сюда же Брюкнер (102 и сл.; KZ 48, 190 и сл.) относит польск. ani dudu "ни гугу" odudzieć "умолкнуть", dudnić "греметь". Чистой случайностью является созвучие с чагат., тур. düdük "свирель" – см. Брюкнер ("Slavia" 3, 211) против Бернекера (1, 233), кото...

[blogen]

nope
You dont understand our language enough
Even if it was dude, which is plural, it would still be dudaš
There are some people with that surname In Croatia, and Serbia, of Slovak or Rusin ancestry

This is the situation in the Hungarian.

duda = singular (one bagpipe)
dudák = plural (many bagpipe)
dudás = bagpiper

The plural dude is irrevelant here, since the singular duda had a Slavonic ancestor, that was a Slavonic word.

[Duke]

I don't know about Serbia, but in Croatia non-Croats who have that name are equally Rusyns and Hungarians.

Its still a slavic surname that didnt come from us, it could be that is actually originally rusyn and ended up in slovakia, serbia, hungary, and croatia

[Duke]

duda = singular (one bagpipe)
dudás = bagpiper

The plural dude is irrevelant here.

if its about bagpipes, they are always written in plural, even in English language

Diple, gajde are both written in plural

[revealman]

Slavic name for instrument Bagpipe known as Duda exists in many Slavic languages including Belarusian , who did not have contacts with Hungarians. There is a verb 'dudzieć' (Belarusian) or dudet' (Russian) - to play a pipe. There is also a simple instrument 'dudka' (reedpipe). The term Duda is closely related to Lithuanian *daudà, daudýtė (reedpipe) or dūdénti (playing a reedpipe) or Latvian dudinât (making soft sounds or talking quietly). Turkic düdük is a coincidental consonance. Duda is Slavic name.

The information comes from Vasmer's dictionary of etymology.

дуда дуда́ уменьш. ду́дка, диал. также "волынка", "тот, кто пьет много воды", дуди́ть "много пить (особенно воды)", укр. ду́да, ду́дка – то же, ду́ди мн. "бычьи легкие", ду́дла мн. "волынка", словен. dúda, также dúde мн. "волынка", чеш., слвц. dudy, польск. dudy, в.-луж. duda. Родственно лит. *daudà, daudýtė "свирель", dūdénti "дудеть не переставая", лтш. dudinât "издавать негромкие звуки, тихо разговаривать"; см. Буга, РФВ 67, 237; 70, 105; М. – Э. 1, 510; Траутман, BSW 46 и сл. Сюда же Брюкнер (102 и сл.; KZ 48, 190 и сл.) относит польск. ani dudu "ни гугу" odudzieć "умолкнуть", dudnić "греметь". Чистой случайностью является созвучие с чагат., тур. düdük "свирель" – см. Брюкнер ("Slavia" 3, 211) против Бернекера (1, 233), кото...
the hungarians do this with everything! there is no evidence for any hungarian culture before they came to great moravia 10th century but they claim they invented everything from sumerian culture to slavic dudy while the reality is they adopted foreign cultures and claim them to be their own inventions :D i find them amusing..


koláč kalács
lekvár lekvár
slanina szalonna (salonna)
šunka sonka (šonka)
žemľa zsemle (žemle)
kanva kanna
ocot ecet
obrus abrosz
olej olaj
soľ só
tácňa tálca
vidlička villa (skoro ako vidla)
uhorka uborka
klobása kolbász
rak rák
ustrice osztriga
huba, gamba (kedysi goMba) gomba
hlavátka galóca
pstruh (kedysi pstroNg) pisztráng
úhor (kedysi oNgr) angolna
holub (kedysi goloMb) galamb
kačica kacsa
kapún kappan
sluka (kedysi sloNka) salonka
guľáš (zo slovenského guľa, črieda) gulyás
roštenka rostélyos
kapusta káposzta
cvikľa cékla
repa répa
špargľa spárga
čerešne cseresznye
egreš egres
maliny málna
mirabelky (slivky) mirabel (szliva)
burčiak burcsák
borovička borovicska
pálenka pálinka (maď. nár. špiritus)
slivovica szlivapálinka
Rôzne
oblok ablak
stĺp oszlop
ulica utca
peniaze pénz
tabak, doháň dohány
kabát kabát
klobúk kalap
sukňa szoknya
podlaha padló
kľúč kulcs
galoše kalocsni
papuče papucs
skala sikla
tancovať táncolni
kováč kovács
mäsiar mészáros
tkáč takács
mlynár molnár
chlm (kopec obtekaný riekou) halma
Mená
Ladislav László
Zlatan Zoltán
Blatno Balaton

all hungarian words for sure all invented by the allmighty magyar übermenschen :D :D :D

[blogen]

if its about bagpipes, they are always written in plural, even in English language
Diple, gajde are both written in plural

Now yes or mostly or whatever is the present form, but originally exist a duda form. There was a singular.

[revealman]

More than just this. Kingdom of Hungary was direct successor of Great Moravia. Teritorial organization including terminology is the same in KoH as it used to be in GM. Magyar name for county "Megye" is from Slovak "Medza", leader of the county in Magyar is "ispán" a that is as well from Slovak "župan" and thus I can continue with Slovak words in Magyar into infinity.

Interesting is also the comparation of development of settlements in different parts of former GM. When Czechs annexed western part of GM wich is now south-east region Morava of Czech republic, they let the settlements of former GM abandoned, and founded new settlements. These new settlement are here till today, cities like Brno or Olomouc. The former GM settlement now we are discovering as archeological sites.

On contrary, the proces in eastern part of GM (including also pannonia) was different. When nomadic Magyars came into the carpathian basin, they did not destroy settlements here, they just infiltrated them. That is basically because Magyars were nomads and simply didnt know how to build a settlement. Thus the old settlements of GM in Slovakia and in Hungary are still present today. Cities like Nitra (Nitrava) or Bratislava (Preslava) in SVK or Veszprém (Bezprín), Budapest (Budín) and Esztergom (Strägom) in Hun.

Magyars tend to claim, that they were the builders of Hungarian towns, that they came ito blank area and many more. But seriously, when they learned how to build cities, when they spent 100 years (since their arrival till foundation of KoH) by looting, pillaging and slaughterring of half of Europe? Magyars only over time learned how to lead a settled life, majority of them were nomadic up to 13th ct. And Magyar chauvinists know it. They also know very well, that everything important for settled life they learned from us. Just look at Magyar vocabulary related to agriculture, housing, cuisine and you will find that so called Magyar expressions are nothing more just deformed Slovak words. This is the reason, why Magyars hate us - Slovaks most in whole world. Because they ceated a wonderfull story about glorious victors ("vitéz" in Magyar, wich is another Slovak word "výťaz"), that stood down from horseback and started to build stone castles and cathedrals. And when they are confrontated with reality, their unconscious can not accept it. So if there is any evidence, that can undermine their version of history, they must destroy it. Therefore Magyarisation, therefore thousands Magyar coments about nonexistent Slovaks and their history on every video, that has something to do with us on youtube, therefore hatefull replies on Slovaks in every forum you can find.

As Slovak writer Jerguš Ferko said, "It is a rebellion of cultural copy, against its original and effort to replace it".

And I also can mention here genetics, by wich you can see how close are present Magyars and Slovaks to each other. Both are very close to Czech, Poles or Ukrainians and therefore Slavic. That just show enormous nuber of Slovaks, that have been assimilated into Magyars.

[Antimage]

the hungarians do this with everything! there is no evidence for any hungarian culture before they came to great moravia 10th century but they claim they invented everything from sumerian culture to slavic dudy while the reality is they adopted foreign cultures and claim them to be their own inventions :D i find them amusing..



all hungarian words for sure all invented by the allmighty magyar übermenschen :D :D :D


what are you trying to prove? everyone knows hungarian language has lot of slavic words.

[revealman]

what are you trying to prove? everyone knows hungarian language has lot of slavic words.
i am not the one trying to prove something from beginning i only react to your provocations! it started with your chauvinistic trolling in this slovak section of forum, i am just reacting! you hungarians do this everywhere look at youtube in every slovak video there are hundreds of hungarian trolls provoking hatred.. show me where there are slovaks commenting hungarian videos by hundreds of hate comments.. you are the one with inferiority complex! you sunconsciously know well that you adopted our culture not the other way around, there is hundreds of facts proving slavs had their own culture and kingdoms before you came here, there is not a single proof of a magyar culture before you came here!!! so who is the liar?

[Rugevit]

the hungarians do this with everything! there is no evidence for any hungarian culture before they came to great moravia 10th century but they claim they invented everything from sumerian culture to slavic dudy while the reality is they adopted foreign cultures and claim them to be their own inventions :D i find them amusing..



all hungarian words for sure all invented by the allmighty magyar übermenschen :D :D :D



Ancestors of Hungarians and Slovaks lived in the same state for centuries borrowing many things from each other including linguistic terms. The situation is common across much of Europe.

[Antimage]

iam not the one trying to prove something from beginning i only react to your provocations! it started with your chauvinistic trolling in this slovak section of forum, i am just reacting! ouy hungarians do this everywhere look at youtube in every slovak video there are hundreds of hungarian trolls provoking hatred..

quote the comment where i am chauvinistic/provoking

[Cern]

you think the coat of arms of nitra(former nitra principality) is a slavic knight treading on a magyar asiatic hunnic warrior?! this is how your hunnic ancestors looked like when you came her 10th century..
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Erb_Nitrianskeho_samosprávneho_kraja.jpg


X. century hungarian ruling class 30-40% europomongoloids and 20-25% asia genetics. (Considering the research archaeogenetics they are not the ancestors of today's Hungarians.)
The common people europids genetically and skull shape. Ancient Hungarians mostly europoids.


I think the coat of arms Slovak nationalists done it, not too long ago.

[revealman]

X. century hungarian ruling class 30-40% europomongoloids and 20-25% asia genetics. (Considering the research archaeogenetics they are not the ancestors of today's Hungarians.)
The common people europids genetically and skull shape. Ancient Hungarians mostly europoids.


I think the coat of arms Slovak nationalists done it, not too long ago.
yes! this is why i say the modern hungarians are not magyars huns but hungarized slavs by dna!!! so you are fighting your own brothers by blood!

[revealman]

what are you trying to prove? everyone knows hungarian language has lot of slavic words.
you should know by yourself!

i did not spam and troll around in apricity hungary section you hungarians come here en masse to troll around! you are the one with inferiority complex, because your culture and vocabulary is nothing else than slavic culture copy, your subconscious knows this.. any evidence of magyar culture before you came here? i am curious..

[Rugevit]

One example of Slavic Duda


http://s3.postimg.org/z00wo4ijn/1243934341_low2.jpg







The sound of Duda - http://www.staryolsa.com/mp3/2-11.mp3

[blogen]

X. century hungarian ruling class 30-40% europomongoloids and 20-25% asia genetics. (Considering the research archaeogenetics they are not the ancestors of today's Hungarians.)
The common people europids genetically and skull shape. Ancient Hungarians mostly europoids.

What is not true, since the ancestors of the contemporary Hungarians were these groups:

- conqueror elite
- conqueror common peoples
- conquered peoples
- various settlers

The contemporary proportion of the smally but measurable Europo-Mongoloid heritage would be impossible without the contribution of the conqueror ruling class.

[revealman]

What is not true, since the ancestors of the contemporary Hungarians were these groups:

- conqueror elite
- conqueror common peoples
- conquered peoples
- various settlers

The contemporary proportion of the smally but measurable Europo-Mongoloid heritage would be impossible without the contribution of the conqueror ruling class.
you mean this original mongoloid magyars? you think it is coincidence old slovak tales speak of mongoloid huns invaders who raped our women and pillaged the carpathian basin?!..

http://kurultaj.hu/english/

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-InywdASakOw/Ur8CHpsQ_zI/AAAAAAAAABA/JgIE1B-nWVM/s1600/Csukás+István.jpg


Jordanes - The Roman historian, wrote a book on the history of the Goths called "Getica" (circa 551 A.D). In his book, he describes the Huns as: They made their foes flee in horror because their swarthy (black skinned) aspect was fearful, and they had, if I may call it so, a sort of hideous lump, not a head, with pinholes rather than eyes.

[Cern]

yes! this is why i say the modern hungarians are not magyars huns but hungarized slavs by dna!!! so you are fighting your own brothers by blood!

I do not think the Slovaks my enemy. :)
It's just an unfortunate historical situation. There are those who feel: Hungarians are alone and in europe and surrounds the enemy. Is it because "we are asian". This results in a kind of "Turan defiance". Slovaks-Hungarians nationalists hate each other while the strongest economic relations and a lot of mixed marriages, cultural, genetic similarity, etc. I think this "Turan defiance" harm us a lot.

[Rugevit]

The contemporary proportion of the smally but measurable Europo-Mongoloid heritage would be impossible without the contribution of the conqueror ruling class.

The state began with a small group of people expanding in the last 1,000 years hundred times over. Think of the original place in which English was spoken s in northern Germany and southern Denmark. Now, many people of the world speak the language natively. The ruling Hungarian class of the 9th century left little if any genetic impact on the modern population of Hungary.

[Cern]

What is not true, since the ancestors of the contemporary Hungarians were these groups:

- conqueror elite
- conqueror common peoples
- conquered peoples
- various settlers

The contemporary proportion of the smally but measurable Europo-Mongoloid heritage would be impossible without the contribution of the conqueror ruling class.

Very minimal, if at all....

[Stears]

The state began with a small group of people expanding in the last 1,000 years hundred times over. Think of the original place in which English was spoken s in northern Germany and southern Denmark. Now, many people of the world speak the language natively. The ruling Hungarian class of the 9th century left little if any genetic impact on the modern population of Hungary.

I'm not sure that Árpáds conqueror tribes could speak the ancestor of modern Hungarian language. Read about this here: http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_14203741736288&key=0da3f17dd3d3d8e710fb25246bc6e80c&libId=3899221a-0efe-4710-abf5-6fd4822ab8c5&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fhistorum.com%2Fmedieval-byzantine-history%2F70353-arpad-s-people-vs-real-hungarians.html&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fahea.net%2Fe-journal%2Fvolume-6-2013%2F6%3F%26request%3Dmodules%2Fjournals%2Fjourn alarticleattachments%26download%3D240%26ajax%3D1&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.hu%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rc t%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26 ved%3D0CB8QFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fhistoru m.com%252Fmedieval-byzantine-history%252F70353-arpad-s-people-vs-real-hungarians.html%26ei%3DgzCpVK3XEcm3UYr9grAL%26usg% 3DAFQjCNFWitOjCorhDcb56ysbDUttxIVpAw%26sig2%3D_za8 i6hLNkSVPTaa0GXl8w%26bvm%3Dbv.82001339%2Cd.d24&title=%22Arpad%27s%20people%22%20vs%20%22real%20Hu ngarians%22%20-%20Historum%20-%20History%20Forums&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fahea.net%2Fe-journal%2Fvolume-6-2...oad%3D240%26amp%3Bajax%3D1 (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_14203741736288&key=0da3f17dd3d3d8e710fb25246bc6e80c&libId=3899221a-0efe-4710-abf5-6fd4822ab8c5&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fhistorum.com%2Fmedieval-byzantine-history%2F70353-arpad-s-people-vs-real-hungarians.html&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fahea.net%2Fe-journal%2Fvolume-6-2013%2F6%3F%26request%3Dmodules%2Fjournals%2Fjourn alarticleattachments%26download%3D240%26ajax%3D1&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.hu%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rc t%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26 ved%3D0CB8QFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fhistoru m.com%252Fmedieval-byzantine-history%252F70353-arpad-s-people-vs-real-hungarians.html%26ei%3DgzCpVK3XEcm3UYr9grAL%26usg% 3DAFQjCNFWitOjCorhDcb56ysbDUttxIVpAw%26sig2%3D_za8 i6hLNkSVPTaa0GXl8w%26bvm%3Dbv.82001339%2Cd.d24&title=%22Arpad%27s%20people%22%20vs%20%22real%20Hu ngarians%22%20-%20Historum%20-%20History%20Forums&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fahea.net%2Fe-journal%2Fvolume-6-2...oad%3D240%26amp%3Bajax%3D1)

[revealman]

I'm not sure that Árpáds conqueror tribes could speak the ancestor of modern Hungarian language. Read about this here: http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_14203741736288&key=0da3f17dd3d3d8e710fb25246bc6e80c&libId=3899221a-0efe-4710-abf5-6fd4822ab8c5&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fhistorum.com%2Fmedieval-byzantine-history%2F70353-arpad-s-people-vs-real-hungarians.html&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fahea.net%2Fe-journal%2Fvolume-6-2013%2F6%3F%26request%3Dmodules%2Fjournals%2Fjourn alarticleattachments%26download%3D240%26ajax%3D1&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.hu%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rc t%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26 ved%3D0CB8QFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fhistoru m.com%252Fmedieval-byzantine-history%252F70353-arpad-s-people-vs-real-hungarians.html%26ei%3DgzCpVK3XEcm3UYr9grAL%26usg% 3DAFQjCNFWitOjCorhDcb56ysbDUttxIVpAw%26sig2%3D_za8 i6hLNkSVPTaa0GXl8w%26bvm%3Dbv.82001339%2Cd.d24&title=%22Arpad%27s%20people%22%20vs%20%22real%20Hu ngarians%22%20-%20Historum%20-%20History%20Forums&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fahea.net%2Fe-journal%2Fvolume-6-2...oad%3D240%26amp%3Bajax%3D1 (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_14203741736288&key=0da3f17dd3d3d8e710fb25246bc6e80c&libId=3899221a-0efe-4710-abf5-6fd4822ab8c5&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fhistorum.com%2Fmedieval-byzantine-history%2F70353-arpad-s-people-vs-real-hungarians.html&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fahea.net%2Fe-journal%2Fvolume-6-2013%2F6%3F%26request%3Dmodules%2Fjournals%2Fjourn alarticleattachments%26download%3D240%26ajax%3D1&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.hu%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rc t%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26 ved%3D0CB8QFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fhistoru m.com%252Fmedieval-byzantine-history%252F70353-arpad-s-people-vs-real-hungarians.html%26ei%3DgzCpVK3XEcm3UYr9grAL%26usg% 3DAFQjCNFWitOjCorhDcb56ysbDUttxIVpAw%26sig2%3D_za8 i6hLNkSVPTaa0GXl8w%26bvm%3Dbv.82001339%2Cd.d24&title=%22Arpad%27s%20people%22%20vs%20%22real%20Hu ngarians%22%20-%20Historum%20-%20History%20Forums&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fahea.net%2Fe-journal%2Fvolume-6-2...oad%3D240%26amp%3Bajax%3D1)
who do you think brought it here? when in fact before their invasion there were slavs living here..

[blogen]

The state began with a small group of people expanding in the last 1,000 years hundred times over. Think of the original place in which English was spoken s in northern Germany and southern Denmark. Now, many people of the world speak the language natively. The ruling Hungarian class of the 9th century left little if any genetic impact on the modern population of Hungary.

The Magyar conquerors were the only population in the great part of the plains. Their population boom was the base of the Hungarian majority. This was the situation directly before the Hungarian conquest:
http://s21.postimg.org/fqs7u5oab/before2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/fqs7u5oab/)

Based on the 11th century toponym map:
http://s21.postimg.org/tyhwit0z7/kniezsa_EN.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/tyhwit0z7/)

[Insuperable]

you magyar nomad savages spread your chauvinistic bullshit since you arrived here in 10th century and wonder you are hated throughout all slavic nations and romanians and chorvats and we separated from you after monarchy because you are sociopathic chauvinistic megalomaniacs?!!!..

slavic pride


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-bwHpP5nP4

Hungarians and Croats are friends. There is no hate.

[revealman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravia#mediaviewer/File:Great_Moravia-eng.png
The Magyar conquerors were the only population in the great part of the plains. Their population boom was the base of the Hungarian majority. This was the situation directly before the Hungarian conquest:
http://s21.postimg.org/fqs7u5oab/before2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/fqs7u5oab/)

Based on the 11th century toponym map:
http://s21.postimg.org/tyhwit0z7/kniezsa_EN.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/tyhwit0z7/)
slavic great moravian, nitra, pannonian principality territory of hungary and slovakia before magyars invasion!

http://www.palba.cz/newspage.php?news=3806

http://s11.postimg.org/jqi3caezn/mapa.png

[Rugevit]

The Magyar conquerors were the only population in the great part of the plains. Their population boom was the base of the Hungarian majority. This was the situation directly before the Hungarian conquest:
http://s21.postimg.org/fqs7u5oab/before2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/fqs7u5oab/)

Based on the 11th century toponym map:
http://s21.postimg.org/tyhwit0z7/kniezsa_EN.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/tyhwit0z7/)

It is not possible to determine the age of hydronyms and many toponyms. Modern Hungarians are genetically similar to their immediate neighbours more than anyone else. You will be kidding yourself thinking otherwise.

[blogen]

It is not possible to determine the age of hydronyms and many toponyms.

Possible, because of the historical sources. These are the Árpád-age topo and hydronyms, mostly from the contemporary documents.


Modern Hungarians are genetically similar to their immediate neighbours more than anyone else. You will be kidding yourself thinking otherwise.

What is an urban legend only. The modern Hungarians are not similar with their neighbours genetically.

[revealman]

Possible, because of the historical sources. These are the Árpád-age topo and hydronyms, mostly from the contemporary documents.



What is an urban legend only. The modern Hungarians are not similar with their neighbours genetically.
bs, both have R1a dominance!

i ask the same question 10th time, show me one evidence of magyar culture(other than yurts) before you came to great moravia! guess you have none..

what you call hungarian culture today is a slavic copy.. genetically you are not huns or magyars majority either..

[TIGERZZZ]

bodybuilder? he doesn't look that big..

[Rugevit]

Possible, because of the historical sources. These are the Árpád-age topo and hydronyms, mostly from the contemporary documents.

If certain hydronyms were documented in the 15th century first, does it mean the age of the hydronyms is since 15th century? Of course, not.




What is an urban legend only. The modern Hungarians are not similar with their neighbours genetically.

These claims are based on scientific studies.

This is autosomal DNA study on western Balkans which included Hungarians published last year. There were no Slovak, Czechs, but there were Croats to which Hungarians showed a clear genetic affinity. : http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0105090


http://oi57.tinypic.com/fbw48l.jpg





This is Y-chromosome study which included modern and ancient Hungarian populations showing clear distinction between modern and ancient Hungarian populations: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18373723


The Hungarian population belongs linguistically to the Finno-Ugric branch of the Uralic family. The Tat C allele is an interesting marker in the Finno-Ugric context, distributed in all the Finno-Ugric-speaking populations, except for Hungarians. This question arises whether the ancestral Hungarians, who settled in the Carpathian Basin, harbored this polymorphism or not. 100 men from modern Hungary, 97 Szeklers (a Hungarian-speaking population from Transylvania), and 4 archaeologically Hungarian bone samples from the 10(th) century were studied for this polymorphism. Among the modern individuals, only one Szekler carries the Tat C allele, whereas out of the four skeletal remains, two possess the allele. The latter finding, even allowing for the low sample number, appears to indicate a Siberian lineage of the invading Hungarians, which later has largely disappeared. The two modern Hungarian-speaking populations, based on 22 Y-chromosomal binary markers, share similar components described for other Europeans, except for the presence of the haplogroup P*(xM173) in Szekler samples, which may reflect a Central Asian connection, and high frequency of haplogroup J in both Szeklers and Hungarians. MDS analysis based on haplogroup frequency values, confirms that modern Hungarian and Szekler populations are genetically closely related, and similar to populations from Central Europe and the Balkans.

[KawaiiKawaii]

What is an urban legend only. The modern Hungarians are not similar with their neighbours genetically.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/13/science/figure1a_600.jpg
http://blog.23andme.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/novembreblogpostfig.jpg

[blogen]

If certain hydronyms were documented in the 15th century first, does it mean the age of the hydronyms is since 15th century? Of course, not.

The Kniezsa map based on the hydro and toponyms from the pre 13th century documents.


These claims are based on scientific studies.
This is autosomal DNA study on western Balkans

And what was the base of the Hungarian aDNA sample? This: "HUNG - Hungarians from Budapest"?

[Rugevit]

And what was the base of the Hungarian aDNA sample? This: "HUNG - Hungarians from Budapest"?

I doubt a sample from a cosmopolitan city will be included in a decent study. The study should describe the Hungarian sample. See supplementary material, and cross-references, if necessary.

[Stears]

It is not possible to determine the age of hydronyms and many toponyms. Modern Hungarians are genetically similar to their immediate neighbours more than anyone else. You will be kidding yourself thinking otherwise. We are not genetically similar to orthodox romanians and serbians.

[Borna]

I have never seen Hungarians insulting Croats here on this site. And I am very thankful for that.
Hungarians were first nation to aid our struggle during 90's, avoid embargo and risk welfare of their own country. As well in Osijek there were many Hungarian volunteers, after fall of Laszlovo. I understand Magyar quarrels with Slovaks, and i do not approve it, but please keep Croats out of this, Hungarians might be only friends we ever had in our surrounding.

http://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/Friendship-Pins/Hungary/Flag-Pins-Hungary-Croatia.jpg

[Rugevit]

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[blogen]

I doubt a sample from a cosmopolitan city will be included in a decent study. The study should describe the Hungarian sample. See supplementary material, and cross-references, if necessary.

19 Hungarian, based on the table 1. What is clearly a cherrypicked joke (presumably from Budapest) and this was the source:

Behar DM, Yunusbayev B, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, et al. (2010) The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7303/full/nature09103.html)

[Rugevit]

19 Hungarian, based on the table 1. What is clearly a cherrypicked joke (presumably from Budapest) and this was the source:

Behar DM, Yunusbayev B, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, et al. (2010) The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7303/full/nature09103.html)


A large sample will produce more accurate results. But why would the authors cherry-pick 19 individuals from Budapest? There is no conspiracy against Hungarians. Look how well the Hungarian sample is spread . Some are as southern as Bosniaks, while one sample is as northern as southern Pole & Ukrainians.

PS You know there're tensions between Estonians and Russians? Few years ago an Estonian scholar Tõnu Esko wrote a thesis for his PhD finding Estonians are genetically more similar to Russians and Latvians than to Finns. He obtained a large sample proportionally sampling all regions of Estonia. He knew his finding will make many Estonians unhappy who grew up believing their immediate cousins are Finns, who are similar to Estonians in many ways. The scholar chose science over an urban legend to make certain individuals happy making a public statement about his findings. If you want to know the truth about the origins of Hungarians, then start gathering relevant published studies on the subject instead of searching one-sided information that will tickle your fancy.

[blogen]

A large sample will produce more accurate results. But why would the authors cherry-pick 19 individuals from Budapest? There is no conspiracy against Hungarians.

19 individual is not a sample. Minimum two or three hundred people radomly from the country is a sample is we talking about a fourteen million size community. And that is a very minimum in the biological anthropology, since when I talk about the Hungarians racial makeup, then a thirtythousand size sample is the source.

These small size samples are basically the peoples from the lab's passageway.


PS You know there're tensions between Estonians and Russians? Few years ago an Estonian scholar Tõnu Esko wrote a thesis for his PhD finding Estonians are genetically more similar to Russians and Latvians than to Finns. He obtained a large sample proportionally sampling all regions of Estonia. He knew his finding will make many Estonians unhappy who grew up believing their immediate cousins are Finns, who are similar to Estonians in many ways. The scholar chose science over an urban legend to make certain individuals happy making a public statement about his findings. If you want to know the truth about the origins of Hungarians, then start gathering relevant published studies on the subject instead of searching one-sided information that will tickle your fancy.

I do not have political agenda.

[Rugevit]

19 individual is not a sample. Minimum two or three hundred people radomly from the country is a sample is we talking about a fourteen million size community. And that is a very minimum in the biological anthropology, since when I talk about the Hungarians racial makeup, then a thirtythousand size sample is the source.

These small size samples are basically the peoples from the lab's passageway.



19 is a sample, although a smaller one. Some insights on sampling for you:


Central Limit Theorem
The central limit theorem states that the sampling distribution of any statistic will be normal or nearly normal, if the sample size is large enough.

How large is "large enough"? As a rough rule of thumb, many statisticians say that a sample size of 30 is large enough. If you know something about the shape of the sample distribution, you can refine that rule. The sample size is large enough if any of the following conditions apply.

The population distribution is normal.
The sampling distribution is symmetric, unimodal, without outliers, and the sample size is 15 or less.
The sampling distribution is moderately skewed, unimodal, without outliers, and the sample size is between 16 and 40.
The sample size is greater than 40, without outliers.

http://stattrek.com/sampling/sampling-distribution.aspx



Do I need to explain how the size of the sample will affect the results in details? In a nutshell, larger sample size will narrow confidence interval and increase the power of a test.


I do not have political agenda.

Are you sure ? ;)

[Jana]

Guy looks like some robust baltid/Borreby intermidiate perhaps.

Speaking about similarities of Hungarians with their neighbours, seems Croats and Hungarians are closest genetic match according to this (taken from other thread) I am pretty suprised.

Early Neolithic farmer: Hungary 43 %, Croatia 44%
Western hunters-gatherers: Hungary 41%, Croatia 40%
Ancestral North Eurasian: Hungary 14.5%, Croatia 14%

Hungary has minor additional South Eurasian (1%) which Croatia lacks. No East Eurasian on those maps, although every map is different.

[Stears]

The largest genetic database of European populations: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml Deal with it blogen. Your europo mongoloid turan tales are not supported by genetic researches.

[Stears]

You are from that part of alföld which is historically the less Hungarian ares of the country. Can you understand it jassic blogen?

[blogen]

19 is a sample, although a smaller one. Some insights on sampling for you:

This is your problem. There was a debate when Henkey presented the data of his surveys, that a 30 000 size sample is quite big or not. The conclusion was this: minimally enough. He worked on his survey through decades, since he was an oldschool scientist.

So I do not care, how lazy are the contemporary pricks. There is not an easy road in the science. Since 19 is not sample but failure. Even a thousand size sample would be too small onto a 14 million size population! And I insist on the serious science, because I want firm facts.


Are you sure ? ;)

Yes.

[Neanderthal]

You think he got big eating strawberries? :lmao

[Rugevit]

This is your problem. There was a debate when Henkey presented the data of his surveys, that a 30 000 size sample is quite big or not. The conclusion was this: minimally enough. He worked on his survey through decades, since he was an oldschool scientist.

So I do not care, how lazy are the contemporary pricks. There is not an easy road in the science. Since 19 is not sample but failure.

My problem is that I am addressing a someone who talks about things he has no clue. It can be shown mathematically and empirically that certain sample sizes of a given confidence interval and power are sufficient. The central limit theorem to which I linked you above as well as the law of large numbers are at the core of most data analyses. Next time you take a pill or injection, you can be certain that a sample in clinical trials on which a pill or injection was tried was no larger than a couple of hundreds. This has nothing to do with laziness.


Even a thousand size sample would be too small onto a 14 million size population! And I insist on the serious science, because I want firm facts.


Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. A sample of 1,000 randomly chosen from a population of 14 million will be more than sufficient to make inferences on many statistics such as averages, proportions, variances of the population for a given interval. This has bee proven mathematically and shown empirically in computer simulations.




Yes.

I doubt.

[blogen]

I doubt.

If you have an agenda and 19 individual is a sample (onto a 14 million size population) for you because of this, than that is your serious problem.

[Rugevit]

If you have an agenda and 19 individual is a sample (onto a 14 million size population) for you because of this, than that is your serious problem.

Did you read what I wrote above at all? I am a someone who has gone through old school, which are still around in some countries of eastern Europe. ;) 19 individuals is a small sample, but it was a randomly selected sample from different regions of Hungary. The results based even on a small sample are millions times better than someone's wild guess.

[blogen]

Did you read what I wrote above at all? I am a someone who has gone through old school, which are still around in some countries of eastern Europe. ;) 19 individuals is a small sample, but it was a randomly selected sample from different regions of Hungary. The results based even on a small sample are millions times better than someone's wild guess.

The average margin of error in the representative samples:

100/5%
200/3,5%
500/2,2%
1000/1,6%
1500/1,3%
2000/1,1%
2500/1%
3000/0,9% <-- this is the optimal sample in Hungary in the polls for example.
3500/0,8%
4000/0,8%
4500/0,7%
5000/0,7%

The margin of error is so huge in a 19 individual case, that is an error and not a reliable result. If you do not understand this, because of your agenda, then that is your problem.

[Rugevit]

The average margin of error in the representative samples:

100/5%
200/3,5%
500/2,2%
1000/1,6%
1500/1,3%
2000/1,1%
2500/1%
3000/0,9% <-- this is the optimal sample in Hungary in the polls for example.
3500/0,8%
4000/0,8%
4500/0,7%
5000/0,7%

The margin of error is so huge in a 19 individual case, that is an error and not a reliable result. If you do not understand this, because of your agenda, then that is your problem.



No pal! You don't understand how statistical experiments are designed. We are not dealing with the polls or surveys. We're are dealing with a stratified random design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratified_sampling). I provided you with a theory and I gave you an example with medical trials which involve random sampling often of several hundred subjects. Then medication is administered to billions of people based on a results obtained from that sample of several hundreds. Moreover, there are certain techniques such as multiple imputation (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16220515) used in a situation of small samples by researchers.

For a margin of error of 5% one needs a sample of 384 given sampling distribution is normal, which is it is for a sample size of 20 or above See the map of SE. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Marginoferror95.PNG/1024px-Marginoferror95.PNG) Margin of errors of 5% is a standard size used in data analyses; this covers 95% of the population within 2 standard deviations .

For a sample size of 19 , the margin of error is 23%. Yes, 19 is a small sample, but it's much better than someone's guess. On this forum, I've seen genetic results of a guy putting them on a PCA plot , who was not all that different from western Ukrainians and Slovaks.

I don't need to lecture you on basics of statistics, but man, I cannot understand why you are arguing about things you have little knowledge. Here's some information on sample size determination. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination

And stop your political agenda selectively choosing outdated studies, while scrutinising new research, and start reading published studies on the subject. ;)

[blogen]

An error is not better than the nothing. And I am honest, I don't know what is the Hungarian aDNA situation, since a proper survey to this do not exists.

[Rugevit]

An error is not better than the nothing. And I am honest, I don't know what is the Hungarian aDNA situation, since a proper survey to this do not exists.

The whole idea behind sampling is to draw inferences about the population for a given margin of error. If you find a proper study with 100 subjects randomly selected from different regions of Hungary, you can be pretty sure the results are accurate given about 10% margin error.

[Fakirbakir]

R1b = celts

Then the Bashkirs are Celts :)

[Borna]

How the hell we ended up here from SLOVAK VEGAN BODY BUILDER?

[Fakirbakir]

there is a difference between hungarians and magyars, magyars were hunnic asiatic tribes while hungarians are slavs speaking ugrofinnic language..

:picard2:

The early ethnonym of the Hungarian people is dubious. We don't know if the "Magyar" word was only the name of the most prominent tribe ("Megyer") or it referred to the whole people in the early Middle Ages. The Hungarians were called "Hungarians" (Ungri, Ungari) in written sources !before! the Hungarian conquest of the Carpathian Basin (e.g. in 837 or in 862).

[Stears]

X. century hungarian ruling class 30-40% europomongoloids and 20-25% asia genetics. (Considering the research archaeogenetics they are not the ancestors of today's Hungarians.)
The common people europids genetically and skull shape. Ancient Hungarians mostly europoids.


I think the coat of arms Slovak nationalists done it, not too long ago.

You forget to mention that it is not clear that the conquerors spoke the ancestor of Hungarian language.

[Óttar]

Gotta hand it to that dude for making a Slavic SWASTIKA out of blueberries and strawberries...

[revealman]

http://s17.postimg.org/vtp4ci1i7/481257_152673994865724_1327095984_n.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MHcmL03Htk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxN7QMi2Uwk

[revealman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0mtXAq18B0