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Grace O'Malley

02-10-2015, 01:02 PM

I'm debating though if it's worth paying 20 bucks for a similar result that you can get on GEDmatch.

This is far more accurate than Gedmatch. Davidski also said it might not be suitable to put on Gedmatch.

Altaylardan Tunaya

02-11-2015, 10:22 PM

The results are attached. You cluster with some Turks and also Azeris.

ANE 0.176056
South_Eurasian 0.04013
Near_Eastern 0.652199
East_Eurasian 0.053969
WHG 0.066005
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.006514
Sub-Saharan 0.005116

Lowe bound NE

ANE 0.175308
South_Eurasian 0.039438
Near_Eastern 0.645966
East_Eurasian 0.053338
WHG 0.075357
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.006438
Sub-Saharan 0.004146

Danishmend

02-11-2015, 11:17 PM

The results are attached. You cluster with some Turks and also Azeris.

ANE 0.176056
South_Eurasian 0.04013
Near_Eastern 0.652199
East_Eurasian 0.053969
WHG 0.066005
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.006514
Sub-Saharan 0.005116

Lowe bound NE

ANE 0.175308
South_Eurasian 0.039438
Near_Eastern 0.645966
East_Eurasian 0.053338
WHG 0.075357
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.006438
Sub-Saharan 0.004146

What was your WHG in K7?

Altaylardan Tunaya

02-11-2015, 11:33 PM

What was your WHG in K7?

K7 results
Population
ANE 16.72%
ASE 3.85%
WHG-UHG 14.15%
East_Eurasian 5.06%
West_African 0.32%
East_African 1.00%
ENF 58.90%

Grace O'Malley

02-12-2015, 03:53 AM

K7 results
Population
ANE 16.72%
ASE 3.85%
WHG-UHG 14.15%
East_Eurasian 5.06%
West_African 0.32%
East_African 1.00%
ENF 58.90%

The ANE in the K8 is usually a little lower than the K7.

Altaylardan Tunaya

02-12-2015, 01:32 PM

The ANE in the K8 is usually a little lower than the K7.

I'm not European/white :D

Grace O'Malley

02-12-2015, 01:56 PM

I'm not European/white :D

I never mentioned white. Not sure what you mean.

Equilibrium

02-12-2015, 02:06 PM

I never mentioned white. Not sure what you mean.

He means that the trend of lower ANE in K8 that you have observed might only apply to Europeans. The average Turkish ANE has slightly increased from the previous K7.

Altaylardan Tunaya

02-12-2015, 02:11 PM

I never mentioned white. Not sure what you mean.

K7 was not accurate that's why Davidski came up with K8. This time it's accurate.

I was actually referring to differences in population structure. A west asian person has different results than a west-european. I have authentic east asian and central asian genes(something you lack).It's not for nothing this test is called West Eurasia K8

Altaylardan Tunaya

02-12-2015, 03:02 PM

He means that the trend of lower ANE in K8 that you have observed might only apply to Europeans. The average Turkish ANE has slightly increased from the previous K7.

This.

Grace O'Malley

02-12-2015, 03:09 PM

K7 was not accurate that's why Davidski came up with K8. This time it's accurate.

I was actually referring to differences in population structure. A west asian person has different results than a west-european. I have authentic east asian and central asian genes(something you lack).It's not for nothing this test is called West Eurasia K8

Ah thanks. I was not on your wavelength. :)

Grace O'Malley

02-12-2015, 03:11 PM

K7 results
Population
ANE 16.72%
ASE 3.85%
WHG-UHG 14.15%
East_Eurasian 5.06%
West_African 0.32%
East_African 1.00%
ENF 58.90%

Yes it is the opposite with me. My K7 was higher than my K8.

Nyx

02-16-2015, 04:00 AM

Musso

02-16-2015, 04:17 AM

But clustering with a certain population doesn't mean you are close with that population. For example, a half English, half Lebanese person may cluster with Italians because that's how it averages out, but he has nothing to do with Italians...

Graham

02-16-2015, 03:07 PM

Added biotronic, Was only using North West Europe to keep a small map. But you are with the French samples that are North(I only used french samples that were closer to South England)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=55163&d=1424102820

Graham

02-16-2015, 05:45 PM

Only using the high value ancient sample plus some of the closer central to East Europeans...

If you flip the figure two on the latest study you can get an idea where others may be..
http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2015/02/10/013433.full.pdf

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/map_zpscptdrw9a.jpg

Jackson

02-16-2015, 06:41 PM

Shuffle

02-16-2015, 08:10 PM

Just got my results:

"You basically cluster with northern French"

ANE 0.119095
South_Eurasian 1E-005
Near_Eastern 0.449575
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.419683
Oceanian 0.003776
Pygmy 0.001393
Sub-Saharan 0.006457

Lower Bound NE

ANE 0.117483
South_Eurasian 5.8E-005
Near_Eastern 0.413872
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.454081
Oceanian 0.005253
Pygmy 0.001482
Sub-Saharan 0.007761

http://i58.tinypic.com/344th6p.jpg

Interesting, we plot very close to each other, I am just slightly in the east of you, if my point were on your chart I would fill the white space on your right, also our values are similar, I am South-German.

ANE 0.119815
South_Eurasian 0.006743
Near_Eastern 0.446784
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.414859
Oceanian 0.01177
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Lower bound NE

ANE 0.118135
South_Eurasian 0.00904
Near_Eastern 0.411639
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.448426
Oceanian 0.01273
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Graham

02-16-2015, 08:35 PM

It'll be awesome when those new samples from the Haak paper can be added. :D
Was looking for why the IA Briton could be with Norway & how more samples might change that.

Was looking into when you split up the Hunter Gatherer & it starts to change. The WHG stays stronger in Britain & that is probably consistent in the Iron Age Brit.

Perhaps Eurogenes needs to be budged up a wee bit.

N=3
France EN: 63.4%: WHG: 19.5% EHG: 17.2%
England EN: 57.5% WHG: 23.9% EHG: 18.6%
------------------------------
Scotland EN: 42.8% WHG: 35.2% EHG: 22%
Norway EN: 46.6% WHG: 28.9% EHG: 24.5%

N=4
France EN: 75.9% WHG: 5.4% EHG: 15.8% Nganasan: 2.8%
England EN: 63.8% WHG: 16.9% EHG: 17.9% Nganasan 1.4%
------------------------------
Scotland EN: 56.2% WHG: 20.3% EHG: 20.5% Nganasan: 3%
Norway EN: 63.8% WHG: 9.6% EHG: 22.7% Nganasan: 3.9%

Danishmend

02-27-2015, 07:19 PM

The results are attached. You cluster with some Turks and also Azeris.

ANE 0.176056
South_Eurasian 0.04013
Near_Eastern 0.652199
East_Eurasian 0.053969
WHG 0.066005
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.006514
Sub-Saharan 0.005116

Least square method = 100(Xn-Xr)^2

Using 1 population approximation:

1 Turkish 2,895690182
2 Azeri 4,238616015
3 Ossetian 6,972049744
4 North_Ossetian 8,519939957
5 Iranian 8,587589131
6 Adygei 8,625848781
7 Balkar 8,634927489
8 Kabardin 9,236284934
9 Kurdish 9,352118593
10 Abkhasian 9,648143729
11 Kumyk 9,700347764
12Chechen 12,00672091
13 Georgian_Laz 12,56593168
14 Georgian_Imer 12,64420309
15 Lezgin 13,5701243
16 Armenian 14,1910807
17 Lebanese_Muslim 15,20326977
18 Georgian_Jewish 15,286697
19 Syrian 15,65916339
20 Tabassaran 15,70768006

Graham

03-03-2015, 09:01 AM

One of the Yamnaya K8

ANE 38.13
South_Eurasian 3.56
ENF 22.88
East_Eurasian 0
WHG 34.5
Oceanian 0
Pygmy 0.01
Sub-Saharan 0.93

Vasconcelos

03-03-2015, 09:26 AM

One of the Yamnaya K8

Sub-Saharan 0.93

Impossibru

Graham

03-03-2015, 10:06 AM

Using some of the closer Populations.

Yamnya Similarity -- Euclidean
Yamnya 0
mordovia11 0.20272955
mordovia4 0.21573108
mordovia7 0.218343
mordovia1 0.21857592
mordovia15 0.21921809
mordovia3 0.21998934
mordovia13 0.21999103
mordovia9 0.22099414
mordovia10 0.22296005
mordovia8 0.22678679
mordovia12 0.22879946
mordovia6 0.22895258
mordovia5 0.23013824
mordovia14 0.23276379
chuvash16 0.24560826
tatars14 0.24767484
tatars6 0.24973381
chuvash10 0.25090753
tatars11 0.25140823

PCA plot
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=55567&d=1425381061

Iron Sheik

03-03-2015, 10:32 AM

Impossibru

is not negro... is aboriginal Eurasia element.

Vasconcelos

03-03-2015, 10:38 AM

is not negro... is aboriginal Eurasia element.

I know, hence why I said "impossibru" instead of "impossible".

Iron Sheik

03-03-2015, 10:49 AM

I know, hence why I said "impossibru" instead of "impossible".

You watch read too many internet meme, play too match warkraft morkraft. Why not speak like Aryan person, well spoken and good language, no US culture degeneration. Study and mak span a proud county.

Not a Cop

03-03-2015, 10:57 AM

One of the Yamnaya K8

ANE 38.13
South_Eurasian 3.56
ENF 22.88
East_Eurasian 0
WHG 34.5
Oceanian 0
Pygmy 0.01
Sub-Saharan 0.93

Sourse?

Hevo

03-03-2015, 11:04 AM

Sourse?

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/ancient-r1a1-and-n1c-from-western-russia.html?commentPage=3

Scroll down to the bottom or page end.xD

Btw, here are some German samples.

ANE South_Eurasian Near_Eastern East_Eurasian WHG Oceanian Pygmy Sub-Saharan
German German10 0.152514 0.007139 0.388142 0.00001 0.450977 0.001198 0.00001 0.00001
German German13 0.132251 0.013622 0.454778 0.00001 0.389173 0.008844 0.001311 0.00001
German German16 0.140803 0.005277 0.433148 0.005855 0.414886 0.00001 0.00001 0.00001
German German2 0.134323 0.00001 0.424928 0.00001 0.419275 0.012665 0.00001 0.008778
German German3 0.150677 0.002561 0.363277 0.00001 0.469445 0.012098 0.001921 0.00001
German German6 0.126588 0.009981 0.440914 0.00001 0.41997 0.00001 0.002517 0.00001
German German9 0.144877 0.007158 0.423305 0.00001 0.421045 0.003134 0.000462 0.00001

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wzcImfh0kFzIjDZ8pquShHXHwMhde_ZcZDhjhu7LufI/edit#gid=211033397

Not a Cop

03-03-2015, 11:19 AM

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/ancient-r1a1-and-n1c-from-western-russia.html?commentPage=3

Scroll down to the bottom or page end.xD

Btw, here are some German samples.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wzcImfh0kFzIjDZ8pquShHXHwMhde_ZcZDhjhu7LufI/edit#gid=211033397

Thanks, that's interesting, but german smaples still don't have regional differentiation.

Hevo

03-03-2015, 11:30 AM

Thanks, that's interesting, but german smaples still don't have regional differentiation.

German3 and German10 are probably some sort of Northern Germans.
The rest are probably South/SouthWest Germans. However one of them appears to be Austrian or has some Balkan ancestry. I guess it is German13.

Not a Cop

03-03-2015, 11:42 AM

German3 and German10 are probably some sort of Northern Germans.
The rest are probably South/SouthWest Germans. However one of them appears to be Austrian or has some Balkan ancestry. I guess it is German13.

May as well be Eastern Germans, German 13 is indeed very high in N. East, interesting results for Karelians and Vepses, very similar to Finns.

Graham

03-03-2015, 11:50 AM

Thanks Hevo. The German Average sits with Jackson.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/German_zpsoif8583p.jpg

Not a Cop

03-03-2015, 12:23 PM

Thanks Hevo. The German Average sits with Jackson.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/German_zpsoif8583p.jpg

Looked at Utah german average, seems to be different from new samples:

ANE NE WHG
14,1 38,5 45,6 - Utah
14 41,8 42,6 - New

Shuffle

03-03-2015, 06:49 PM

I am South-German, with Bavarian ancestry and ancestry from the Rhine-Valley (Baden, Alsace, Palatinate, Sarre, Lorraine), I got a little less ANE than the German samples there, but I am in line with the French, I also plot with the East-French. I think this makes sense, it were regions were roman rule and romance languages lasted longer than in other parts of Germany and David told me, that even some of the Austrians plotted with the French, which probably (we can't know of course) are Western-Austrians, Tyrol, Vorarlberg, Salzburg, which share the same history, also probably in terms of population, too.

Graham

03-07-2015, 02:26 PM

First look at Bell Beaker, Corded Ware and Yamnaya genomes (http://eurogenes.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/first-look-at-bell-beaker-corded-ware.html)
Tuesday, March 3, 2015

It's usually not a good idea to try and force people who've been dead for thousands of years into analyses based on modern genetic variation. However, I'm going to do just that here, and run 20 of what I consider the most interesting samples from the freshly published

Haak et al. 2015 paper (http://eurogenes.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/nature14317) with the Eurogenes K15 and 4A Oracle.

K15 ancestry proportions + other data (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QPTmyarOBBEZfXnLI5L64ueJNG34jgy4QgQ_1nSYtnM/edit?usp=sharing)

K15 4A Oracle results (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQdnBjb0Myb3F0Nk0/view?usp=sharing)

More.. http://eurogenes.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/first-look-at-bell-beaker-corded-ware.html

Giovanni Carli

03-07-2015, 07:10 PM

ANE 0.092115
South_Eurasian 0.008414
Near_Eastern 0.55965
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.329281
Oceanian 0.005839
Pygmy 0.004681
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Lower bound NE

ANE 0.090867
South_Eurasian 0.009607
Near_Eastern 0.531805
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.356408
Oceanian 0.00634
Pygmy 0.004953
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

55755

55756

Graham

03-07-2015, 07:20 PM

Graham

03-08-2015, 08:44 PM

Created this for Europe. If EHG is added with K9. Reckon a movement South West for Iron Age Briton & the Bell Beaker would bring it closer in line with K15..
France & French/Spanish Basque are the light ones. If you struggle to read that.
Neighbour_Joining_Clustering
http://s23.postimg.org/pbu7zywvf/Neighbour_Joining_Clustering.jpg

Longbowman

03-08-2015, 08:54 PM

ius semper

03-08-2015, 08:58 PM

There's a K9 now?

Just a question, would you classify yourself as gracile mediterranean or atlanto-med? thanks

Graham

03-08-2015, 09:08 PM

There's a K9 now?

Polako is trying it out, there's a spreadsheet in comments. But I think it's only for trial & error.

Like I said a few weeks back. WHG & EHG could be better split as in the study paper. Which might nudge Ukraine Lviv from West Scotland for example. Both score decent hunter gatherer.

The graphic I made shows the Hunter-gather Yamnaya transitional mix well. Also Mid-Neolthic Iberians to Basque/Spain.

edit: credit due for making the averages Longowman. Thank you.

I would have added Ashkenazis, but forgot.

Longbowman

03-08-2015, 09:18 PM

Polako is trying it out, there's a spreadsheet in comments. But I think it's only for trial & error.

Like I said a few weeks back. WHG & EHG could be better split as in the study paper. Which might nudge Ukraine Lviv from West Scotland for example. Both score decent hunter gatherer.

The graphic I made shows the Hunter-gather Yamnaya transitional mix well. Also Mid-Neolthic Iberians to Basque/Spain.

edit: credit due for making the averages Longowman. Thank you.

I would have added Ashkenazis, but forgot.

Curse you. We will not forget this slight. I suppose I could look up the Russians but I don't really plot with them. You've omitted the majority of my ancestry.

Np for the averages :thumb001:

Will Polako make this test available for the public?

Longbowman

03-08-2015, 09:19 PM

Just a question, would you classify yourself as gracile mediterranean or atlanto-med? thanks

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?144375-Classify-bearded-Longbowman

Atlanto-Med.

Black Wolf

03-08-2015, 09:24 PM

Curse you. We will not forget this slight. I suppose I could look up the Russians but I don't really plot with them. You've omitted the majority of my ancestry.

Np for the averages :thumb001:

Will Polako make this test available for the public?

I have been in contact with Polako about this. He says he is running some tests now and he might end up making a new calculator/test. It all depends on how good the tests he is running now turn out.

ius semper

03-08-2015, 09:29 PM

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?144375-Classify-bearded-Longbowman

Atlanto-Med.

Cool thanks

Graham

03-12-2015, 11:55 AM

Polako is bringing out a new run very shortly, based on new samples/evidence.

In the comments he mentioned a difference in the Yamnaya & West Asian from different runs, in a population like the Basque who score next to nothing in West Asian(ANE/Near East mix) but do well on ANE or Yamanya.

Think it'll be to do with WHG being in R1b Yamnaya brought West. But WHG or EHG lacks in West Asian. Hence why ANE scores more Estonian/Lithuanian to the North but dips on West Asian in comparison to the Ukrainians further South.

Longbowman

03-12-2015, 01:18 PM

Graham

03-12-2015, 01:28 PM

Will it be available to customers? Will it cost?

You'll have to ask polako or wait and see..

Hope it can be done on the DIY calculator.

Longbowman

03-12-2015, 01:29 PM

You'll have to ask polako or wait and see..

Hope it can be done on the DIY calculator.

I'll leave it as a surprise, but for someone of my ancestry I'm all a-quiver.

Era

03-12-2015, 02:18 PM

So they removed K8 now? I don't see it there. And what the difference between K9 and K9B

Longbowman

03-12-2015, 02:22 PM

So they removed K8 now? I don't see it there. And what the difference between K9 and K9B

http://eurogenes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/crowdfunding-for-2015-new-test.html?showComment=1421375271838#c1678178965447 245508

K8 is here.

Era

03-12-2015, 02:24 PM

http://eurogenes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/crowdfunding-for-2015-new-test.html?showComment=1421375271838#c1678178965447 245508

K8 is here.

It's not on Gedmatch. I don't see it on this page you provided.

Longbowman

03-12-2015, 02:25 PM

It's not on Gedmatch. I don't see it on this page you provided.

It was never on GEDmatch.

K9 and K9b are older, less accurate runs.

To get your K8 done you need to mail Davidski your 23andme or FTDNA scores and pay him $20.

Graham

03-12-2015, 02:27 PM

Take the older K9 & K9b and grenade them tae fuck. That is all.

Longbowman

03-12-2015, 02:30 PM

Davidski seems to be using my averages. He already linked some of my maps. That's pretty cool.

Graham

03-12-2015, 02:35 PM

You can see where that the WHG is in ANE. If you look at the Baltics.

ANE K8
http://i57.tinypic.com/23w2vr8.png
West Asian K15
http://s16.postimg.org/xlelit7ed/West_Asian_K15.png

Longbowman

03-12-2015, 02:49 PM

You can see where that the WHG is in ANE. If you look at the Baltics.

ANE K8
http://i57.tinypic.com/23w2vr8.png

Who made this sexy map?

Here's an arguably sexier one though:

WHG:
http://i58.tinypic.com/2m7zy8l.png

And another:

ANE:
http://i60.tinypic.com/vobofk.png

Hevo

03-12-2015, 03:28 PM

Davidski seems to be using my averages. He already linked some of my maps. That's pretty cool.

Can i have your signature please?

Not a Cop

03-12-2015, 08:44 PM

Davidski seems to be using my averages. He already linked some of my maps. That's pretty cool.

His samples are not very accurate, there are few samples from Moldova, Lithuania and Utah German look very odd.

Longbowman

03-12-2015, 08:58 PM

His samples are not very accurate, there are few samples from Moldova, Lithuania and Utah German look very odd.

Utah German looks good from what I remember, but there was one AJ that looked very, VERY atypical, probably not AJ.

Graham

03-12-2015, 09:02 PM

Utah German is American. I'd bin Utahns permanently. New world Utahns be gone. Hevo had the real German results a few pages back..

Longbowman

03-12-2015, 09:03 PM

Utah German is American. I'd bin that permanently. New worlders be gone. Hevo had the real German results a few pages back..

To be honest Germany is too big to produce just one sample.

However, Utah German is specifically enumerated as 'Utah German,' both on the raw data and my spreadsheet, so I see no issue with it.

Gaston

03-12-2015, 09:06 PM

Utah German looks good from what I remember, but there was one AJ that looked very, VERY atypical, probably not AJ.

The one that clusters between Chypriots and Levantines?

Longbowman

03-12-2015, 09:10 PM

The one that clusters between Chypriots and Levantines?

Yeah, one of them has, from memory, 13% WHG when the others averaged 19%, 73% Near East when the others averaged 66%, etc. The population size was about 20 so he pulled them about 5% closer to the Levant.

Graham

03-12-2015, 09:15 PM

Uploaded a map with both Utah German & German.. The Utah German being that colour doesn't mean anything, hadn't bothered to match it with the cluster.

Let's say German clusters with South Netherlands( I'd bet on North France also) & Utah German with Britain.

http://s8.postimg.org/ndx2kc2v9/europe.jpg

Black Wolf

03-12-2015, 10:28 PM

Black Wolf

03-13-2015, 07:41 PM

I have been in contact with David from Eurogenes about the origins of the EHG component from the latest Yamnaya paper and he had this to say about it. It looks like I was right when I predicted a while back that EHG is just a mixture of WHG and ANE.

''I can't create an EHG cluster separate from WHG and ANE.

EHG just looks like a mixture of WHG and ANE to me. Any claims to the contrary look like total BS to be honest.

That doesn't mean that WHG and ANE aren't mixtures of older components. They probably are. But the existence of EHG doesn't change anything, as far as I can see.''

Longbowman

03-13-2015, 07:46 PM

Catkin

03-15-2015, 08:41 PM

My parents' results for K8:

Mum:
ANE 15.33%
South_Eurasian 0.83%
Near_Eastern 38.77%
East_Eurasian 0%
WHG 44.32%
Oceanian 0.29%
Pygmy 0.46%
Sub-Saharan 0%

Lower bound NE:
ANE 15.15%
South_Eurasian 1.07%
Near_Eastern 35.02%
East_Eurasian 0%
WHG 47.83%
Oceanian 0.38%
Pygmy 0.54%
Sub-Saharan 0%

Dad:
ANE 15.41%
South_Eurasian 0%
Near_Eastern 39.24%
East_Eurasian 0%
WHG 44.85%
Oceanian 0.50%
Pygmy 0%
Sub-Saharan 0%

Lower bound NE:
ANE 15.27%
South_Eurasian 0.23%
Near_Eastern 35.59%
East_Eurasian 0%
WHG 48.29%
Oceanian 0.62%
Pygmy 0%
Sub-Saharan 0%

Graham

03-15-2015, 08:55 PM

Catkin

03-15-2015, 09:10 PM

You and your parents are all very close. Not much difference at all.

Yes, but I find it odd considering my parents have different known ancestries, my dad should really be more south-east :confused:. It was his quite NW scores on K13 and K15 that made me want to try him with this. I still have gaps in his family tree, I need to do more research. He was from London afterall, they might have come from anywhere.

Hevo

05-09-2015, 08:54 PM

half Sicilian, half North Italian.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_Abruzzo @ 1,608936
2 Central_Greek @ 2,560166
3 Greek @ 2,628369
4 West_Sicilian @ 2,685227
5 East_Sicilian @ 4,029935
6 Central_Sicilian @ 4,632853
7 South_Italian @ 6,387857
8 Ashkenazi @ 6,757522
9 Tuscan @ 6,801871
10 Greek_Thessaly @ 6,8725
11 Kosovar @ 9,477597
12 Sephardic_Jewish @ 11,801261
13 Neolithic_Hungary @ 12,527437
14 Stuttgart @ 12,765276
15 North_Italian @ 13,299689
16 Sardinian @ 14,262698
17 Bulgarian @ 15,301359
18 Macedonian @ 16,109499
19 Romanian @ 16,258659
20 Spanish_Murcia @ 16,439135
165 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 French+Lebanese_Christian @ 1,245952
2 Greek+West_Sicilian @ 1,300765
3 Central_Greek+West_Sicilian @ 1,432182
4 Greek_Thessaly+South_Italian @ 1,544422
5 East_Sicilian+Greek @ 1,567739
6 Samaritan+Utah_USA @ 1,582717
7 Ashkenazi+Tuscan @ 1,603617
8 Italian_Abruzzo+Italian_Abruzzo @ 1,608936
9 Central_Sicilian+Greek @ 1,6271
10 Samaritan+SW_English @ 1,649634
11 Samaritan+SE_English @ 1,682831
12 Greek+Italian_Abruzzo @ 1,709621
13 Kosovar+Sephardic_Jewish @ 1,713407
14 Central_Greek+Italian_Abruzzo @ 1,723253
15 Central_Sicilian+Greek_Thessaly @ 1,760452
16 Cyprian+Montenegrin @ 1,767615
17 Central_Greek+East_Sicilian @ 1,795892
18 Ashkenazi+Greek_Thessaly @ 1,837351
19 Samaritan+Utah_German @ 1,848925
20 Central_Greek+Central_Sicilian @ 1,864404
13695 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Christian +25% Hinxton4 +25% North_Italian @ 1,133722
2 50% Lebanese_Christian +25% Spanish_Baleares +25% North_Dutch @ 1,157663
3 50% Lebanese_Christian +25% Spanish_Andalucia +25% North_Dutch @ 1,235211
4 50% Cyprian +25% Montenegrin +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1,238041
5 50% Central_Sicilian +25% Greek +25% Greek_Thessaly @ 1,238487
6 50% French +25% Lebanese_Christian +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 1,245952
7 50% Central_Sicilian +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Kosovar @ 1,259619
8 50% Central_Sicilian +25% Lebanese_Christian +25% North_Dutch @ 1,263066
9 50% West_Sicilian +25% Samaritan +25% North_Dutch @ 1,264555
10 50% South_Italian +25% Hinxton4 +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 1,270212
11 50% Central_Sicilian +25% Central_Greek +25% Greek_Thessaly @ 1,271263
12 50% Cyprian +25% Hinxton4 +25% West_Sicilian @ 1,281824
13 50% Sephardic_Jewish +25% Macedonian +25% Tuscan @ 1,283323
14 50% Greek +25% Central_Sicilian +25% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1,286316
15 50% Central_Sicilian +25% Croatian +25% Cyprian @ 1,291758
16 50% Central_Sicilian +25% Cyprian +25% South_Dutch @ 1,292535
17 50% Kosovar +25% Sephardic_Jewish +25% South_Italian @ 1,295142
18 50% Tuscan +25% Lebanese_Muslim +25% Tuscan @ 1,295635
19 50% Lebanese_Christian +25% Orcadian +25% Spanish_Baleares @ 1,298279
20 50% Greek +25% West_Sicilian +25% West_Sicilian @ 1,300765
1195388 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Hinxton4+Lebanese_Christian+Lebanese_Christian+Nor th_Italian @ 1,133722
2 Lebanese_Christian+Lebanese_Christian+Spanish_Bale ares+North_Dutch @ 1,157663
3 Central_Sicilian+Italian_Abruzzo+Samaritan+North_D utch @ 1,176017
4 Greek+Samaritan+South_Italian+North_Dutch @ 1,202204
5 Central_Sicilian+Cyprian+South_Italian+South_Dutch @ 1,211637
6 Central_Sicilian+Lebanese_Christian+South_Italian+ North_Dutch @ 1,219663
7 Cyprian+Hinxton4+Lebanese_Christian+Tuscan @ 1,22275
8 Hinxton4+Italian_Abruzzo+Samaritan+South_Italian @ 1,22662
9 Central_Sicilian+Greek+Lebanese_Christian+South_Du tch @ 1,226676
10 French+Greek+Lebanese_Christian+West_Sicilian @ 1,227559
11 Greek+Lebanese_Muslim+North_Italian+Tuscan @ 1,227645
12 Cyprian+Sephardic_Jewish+South_Italian+North_Dutch @ 1,228863
13 Lebanese_Christian+Lebanese_Christian+Spanish_Anda lucia+North_Dutch @ 1,235211
14 Cyprian+Cyprian+Montenegrin+Spanish_Extremadura @ 1,238041
15 Central_Sicilian+Central_Sicilian+Greek+Greek_Thes saly @ 1,238487
16 Cyprian+Lebanese_Christian+North_Italian+Utah_USA @ 1,239295
17 Central_Sicilian+Italian_Abruzzo+Macedonian+Sephar dic_Jewish @ 1,239341
18 Italian_Abruzzo+Samaritan+West_Sicilian+North_Dutc h @ 1,239689
19 East_Sicilian+Italian_Abruzzo+Samaritan+North_Dutc h @ 1,244718
20 Central_Sicilian+Cyprian+Macedonian+Tuscan @ 1,245787
21 Lebanese_Christian+Sephardic_Jewish+Tuscan+Utah_US A @ 1,245804
22 French+French+Lebanese_Christian+Lebanese_Christia n @ 1,245952
23 Samaritan+Sephardic_Jewish+Tuscan+North_Dutch @ 1,247988
24 Greek+Italian_Abruzzo+Kosovar+Sephardic_Jewish @ 1,248033
25 Italian_Abruzzo+Montenegrin+Sephardic_Jewish+South _Italian @ 1,250104
26 Central_Sicilian+Cyprian+Sephardic_Jewish+North_Du tch @ 1,25115
27 Croatian+Lebanese_Christian+North_Italian+Sephardi c_Jewish @ 1,252072
28 Cyprian+Montenegrin+North_Italian+Sephardic_Jewish @ 1,258668
29 Central_Sicilian+Central_Sicilian+Italian_Abruzzo+ Kosovar @ 1,259619
30 Central_Sicilian+Greek+Samaritan+North_Dutch @ 1,25964
31 Central_Sicilian+Greek_Thessaly+Kosovar+Sephardic_ Jewish @ 1,260166
32 Central_Sicilian+Central_Sicilian+Lebanese_Christi an+North_Dutch @ 1,263066
33 Lebanese_Christian+Sephardic_Jewish+SW_English+Tus can @ 1,263167
34 Samaritan+West_Sicilian+West_Sicilian+North_Dutch @ 1,264555
35 Central_Sicilian+Greek+Samaritan+SE_English @ 1,268557
36 Cyprian+North_Italian+Samaritan+North_Dutch @ 1,268763
37 Hinxton4+Lebanese_Christian+South_Italian+South_It alian @ 1,270212
38 Central_Sicilian+Lebanese_Christian+Montenegrin+No rth_Italian @ 1,2709
39 Central_Greek+Central_Sicilian+Central_Sicilian+Gr eek_Thessaly @ 1,271263
40 Italian_Abruzzo+Lebanese_Christian+West_Sicilian+S outh_Dutch @ 1,271788
5694714 iterations.

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,676116

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_Abruzzo @ 4,212702
2 West_Sicilian @ 4,2868
3 South_Italian @ 4,592763
4 Central_Sicilian @ 4,61844
5 East_Sicilian @ 4,672631
6 Greek @ 4,706893
7 Central_Greek @ 4,722307
8 Tuscan @ 4,81384
9 Greek_Thessaly @ 5,177937
10 Ashkenazi @ 5,456937
11 Kosovar @ 5,503091
12 North_Italian @ 5,826321
13 Sephardic_Jewish @ 6,336533
14 Spanish_Baleares @ 6,539299
15 Macedonian @ 6,875219
16 Spanish_Andalucia @ 6,878702
17 Spanish_Murcia @ 7,006768
18 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7,020346
19 Bulgarian @ 7,021521
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 7,226594
165 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Samaritan+North_Dutch @ 3,919989
2 Central_Sicilian+Tuscan @ 3,962368
3 Cyprian+North_Italian @ 3,963818
4 Greek+West_Sicilian @ 3,968914
5 Central_Sicilian+Greek @ 3,977136
6 Central_Sicilian+Kosovar @ 3,996272
7 Tuscan+West_Sicilian @ 4,001321
8 North_Italian+Sephardic_Jewish @ 4,007811
9 South_Italian+Tuscan @ 4,015514
10 Central_Greek+West_Sicilian @ 4,049065
11 Kosovar+South_Italian @ 4,049235
12 Hinxton4+Samaritan @ 4,065703
13 Samaritan+South_Dutch @ 4,066039
14 Italian_Abruzzo+West_Sicilian @ 4,075153
15 Kosovar+West_Sicilian @ 4,076125
16 Central_Greek+Central_Sicilian @ 4,080059
17 Cyprian+Spanish_Valencia @ 4,080145
18 North_Italian+South_Italian @ 4,080859
19 LBA_Hungary+Lebanese_Christian @ 4,086117
20 Cyprian+Spanish_Baleares @ 4,089059
13695 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +25% Hinxton4 +25% Stuttgart @ 3,640763
2 50% Cyprian +25% Hinxton4 +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 3,660708
3 50% Cyprian +25% Stuttgart +25% North_Dutch @ 3,674993
4 50% Cyprian +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% North_Dutch @ 3,676658
5 50% Stuttgart +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% North_Dutch @ 3,681321
6 50% Stuttgart +25% Hinxton4 +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 3,700592
7 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3,703386
8 50% Stuttgart +25% Hinxton4 +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 3,728596
9 50% Kosovar +25% Sephardic_Jewish +25% Stuttgart @ 3,730457
10 50% Stuttgart +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3,744769
11 50% Stuttgart +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% North_Dutch @ 3,74529
12 50% Kosovar +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3,782511
13 50% Stuttgart +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% West_Scottish @ 3,788915
14 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% North_Dutch @ 3,791841
15 50% Cyprian +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% West_Scottish @ 3,793031
16 50% North_Italian +25% Central_Sicilian +25% Cyprian @ 3,794164
17 50% Macedonian +25% Lebanese_Christian +25% Stuttgart @ 3,797957
18 50% Kosovar +25% Druze +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 3,798383
19 50% Cyprian +25% Stuttgart +25% West_Scottish @ 3,798414
20 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3,798918
1827166 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cyprian+Sephardic_Jewish+Stuttgart+North_Dutch @ 3,634824
2 Greek+Samaritan+Stuttgart+North_Dutch @ 3,636062
3 Cyprian+Cyprian+Hinxton4+Stuttgart @ 3,640763
4 Central_Sicilian+Georgian_Laz+Stuttgart+North_Dutc h @ 3,647011
5 Greek+Hinxton4+Samaritan+Stuttgart @ 3,647631
6 Central_Sicilian+Iraqi_Jewish+Stuttgart+North_Dutc h @ 3,647696
7 Iraqi_Jewish+Stuttgart+West_Sicilian+North_Dutch @ 3,656485
8 Central_Sicilian+Cyprian+Stuttgart+North_Dutch @ 3,65714
9 Cyprian+Cyprian+Hinxton4+Neolithic_Hungary @ 3,660708
10 Georgian_Laz+Sephardic_Jewish+Stuttgart+North_Dutc h @ 3,664197
11 Greek+Lebanese_Christian+Stuttgart+North_Dutch @ 3,664342
12 Italian_Abruzzo+Lebanese_Christian+Stuttgart+North _Dutch @ 3,66476
13 Lebanese_Christian+South_Italian+Stuttgart+North_D utch @ 3,669385
14 Central_Sicilian+Iraqi_Jewish+Neolithic_Hungary+No rth_Dutch @ 3,669663
15 Lebanese_Christian+Stuttgart+West_Sicilian+North_D utch @ 3,674984
16 Cyprian+Cyprian+Stuttgart+North_Dutch @ 3,674993
17 Cyprian+Cyprian+Neolithic_Hungary+North_Dutch @ 3,676658
18 Central_Greek+Samaritan+Stuttgart+North_Dutch @ 3,677677
19 Georgian_Laz+Neolithic_Hungary+Sephardic_Jewish+No rth_Dutch @ 3,678084
20 Cyprian+Neolithic_Hungary+Sephardic_Jewish+North_D utch @ 3,679284
21 Central_Sicilian+Lebanese_Christian+Stuttgart+Nort h_Dutch @ 3,679434
22 Iranian_Jewish+Stuttgart+Stuttgart+North_Dutch @ 3,681321
23 Central_Greek+Lebanese_Christian+Stuttgart+North_D utch @ 3,682356
24 Italian_Abruzzo+Samaritan+Stuttgart+North_Dutch @ 3,685169
25 Greek+Neolithic_Hungary+Samaritan+North_Dutch @ 3,685306
26 Armenian+Central_Sicilian+Stuttgart+North_Dutch @ 3,688165
27 Hinxton4+Italian_Abruzzo+Samaritan+Stuttgart @ 3,688862
28 Iraqi_Jewish+Neolithic_Hungary+West_Sicilian+North _Dutch @ 3,691068
29 Kosovar+Samaritan+Stuttgart+North_Dutch @ 3,69193
30 Central_Sicilian+Georgian_Laz+LBA_Hungary+Stuttgar t @ 3,697297
31 Lebanese_Christian+Neolithic_Hungary+South_Italian +North_Dutch @ 3,69924
32 Hinxton4+Iranian_Jewish+Stuttgart+Stuttgart @ 3,700592
33 Georgian_Laz+Kosovar+Spanish_Extremadura+Stuttgart @ 3,701029
34 Central_Greek+Hinxton4+Samaritan+Stuttgart @ 3,701286
35 Georgian_Imer+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+ Spanish_Extremadura @ 3,703386
36 Central_Sicilian+Georgian_Laz+Neolithic_Hungary+No rth_Dutch @ 3,707801
37 Cyprian+Hinxton4+Sephardic_Jewish+Stuttgart @ 3,708151
38 Georgian_Laz+North_Italian+Spanish_Extremadura+Stu ttgart @ 3,710817
39 Hinxton4+Italian_Abruzzo+Lebanese_Christian+Stuttg art @ 3,711621
40 Greek+Hinxton4+Lebanese_Christian+Stuttgart @ 3,712543
17214879 iterations.

Highlands

05-09-2015, 08:58 PM

I've donated $20 and sent my raw data but still haven't got my results?

Longbowman

05-09-2015, 08:59 PM

I've donated $20 and sent my raw data but still haven't got my results?

How long ago?

Highlands

05-09-2015, 09:00 PM

How long ago?

3 days ago.

Longbowman

05-09-2015, 09:00 PM

3 days ago.

You could send him a message asking for them, reminding him to speed up, if you wanted.

Alessio

05-09-2015, 09:02 PM

To be honest Germany is too big to produce just one sample.

However, Utah German is specifically enumerated as 'Utah German,' both on the raw data and my spreadsheet, so I see no issue with it.

These are simply descendants from Germans (from various places) that live in Utah right ?

Longbowman

05-09-2015, 09:03 PM

These are simply descendants from Germans (from various places) that live in Utah right ?

Yep.

Not a Cop

05-09-2015, 09:05 PM

3 days ago.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Kxwl-YImL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Sikeliot

05-09-2015, 09:06 PM

Interesting a half Sicilian, half North Italian still gets half "Lebanese" and "Samaritan"... their other half is just something more northern than a Sicilian's second half.

Highlands

05-09-2015, 09:06 PM

Ok I'll wait longer :p

Black Wolf

05-12-2015, 09:38 PM

Ok I'll wait longer :p

For your results?

Graham

05-16-2015, 09:33 AM

Catkin

05-16-2015, 09:49 AM

Using only these 4 populations for other Brits/Irish if interested. You can download the 4 way oracle on Eurogenes.

Graham = 5% SW_English + 95% Orcadian + 0% West_Scottish + 0% SE_English @ D = 0.0195
Catkin = 0% SW_English + 0% Orcadian + 62% West_Scottish + 38% SE_English @ D = 0.0075
Jackson = 100% SW_English + 0% Orcadian + 0% West_Scottish + 0% SE_English @ D = 0.0316
Grace = 0% SW_English + 0% Orcadian + 100% West_Scottish + 0% SE_English @ D = 0.0087

Nice! If you think of West Scottish as being the closest of these to Irish, that also makes quite a bit of sense. You being most northern, Grace being all Irish, me being a mix of Irish and southern English, and Jackson being more southern English. Interesting he's more to the SW than SE.

Jackson

05-16-2015, 09:53 AM

Nice! If you think of West Scottish as being the closest of these to Irish, that also makes quite a bit of sense. You being most northern, Grace being all Irish, me being a mix of Irish and southern English, and Jackson being more southern English. Interesting he's more to the SW than SE.

I think it's because i'm more southern than the average and SW is the most southern. Although looking at the relatively high distance, probably adding in French or something like that would make a much closer fit. :)

Going to give it a go, with ancient populations and also with modern ones. Managed to get a fit of like 0.006 on the K9 which is quite close i think.

Graham

05-16-2015, 10:04 AM

The difference between South West England & South East England is very small. Just don't let the Cornish Celtic Nationalists know. lol

Catkin

05-16-2015, 10:28 AM

Graham

05-16-2015, 10:37 AM

Could keep trying combinations forever! :P I've tried loads and only managed to get a tiny smidge closer:

0% SW_English + 5% French + 76% West_Scottish + 19% SE_English @ D = 0.0072
4% Hinxton4 + 8% French + 76% West_Scottish + 12% SE_English @ D = 0.0072

Instead of Hinxton4 or French. Try South Dutch or North Dutch. Or Swedish for Hinxton4. You may get closer.

South Dutch

ANE 0.1325
South_Eurasian 0.0038
Near_Eastern 0.4305
East_Eurasian 0.0054
WHG 0.426
Oceanian 0
Pygmy 0.0018
Sub-Saharan 0

North Dutch

ANE 0.1496
South_Eurasian 0.0044
Near_Eastern 0.378
East_Eurasian 0
WHG 0.468
Oceanian 0
Pygmy 0
Sub-Saharan 0

Jackson

05-16-2015, 10:38 AM

Just a few for me and my family:

Me:

Target = 13% Bell_Beaker_LN + 21% Spain_MN + 18% Esperstedt_MN + 48% Corded_Ware_LN @ D = 0.0113

Target = 39% Yamnaya + 45% Stuttgart + 16% Loschbour + 0% Samara_HG @ D = 0.0166

Target = 79% German + 10% French + 11% West_Scottish + 0% SE_English @ D = 0.006

Mother:

Target = 0% Bell_Beaker_LN + 11% Spain_MN + 30% Esperstedt_MN + 59% Corded_Ware_LN @ D = 0.0117

Target = 40% Yamnaya + 45% Stuttgart + 15% Loschbour + 0% Samara_HG @ D = 0.0179

Target = 99% German + 1% French + 0% West_Scottish + 0% SE_English @ D = 0.0102

Paternal Grandfather:

Target = 88% Bell_Beaker_LN + 12% Spain_MN + 0% Esperstedt_MN + 0% Corded_Ware_LN @ D = 0.0141

Target = 40% Yamnaya + 40% Stuttgart + 20% Loschbour + 0% Samara_HG @ D = 0.0181

Target = 0% German + 0% French + 52% West_Scottish + 48% SE_English @ D = 0.0059

Paternal Grandmother:

Target = 82% Bell_Beaker_LN + 18% Spain_MN + 0% Esperstedt_MN + 0% Corded_Ware_LN @ D = 0.0147

Target = 34% Yamnaya + 43% Stuttgart + 21% Loschbour + 2% Samara_HG @ D = 0.0059 (Lol quite a good fit)

Target = 0% German + 0% French + 0% West_Scottish + 100% SE_English @ D = 0.0189

Graham

05-16-2015, 10:56 AM

Another population to try for Brits would be Unetice_EBA. This population seems to have an influence.

Hinxton Iron Age Briton = 50% Unetice_EBA + 36% HungaryGamba_IA + 8% HungaryGamba_BA + 6% West_Scottish = 0.0047

Jackson

05-16-2015, 11:00 AM

Our distances from a few nearby pops:

Me:
German: 0.0066
South_Dutch: 0.0168
SE_English: 0.0328
French: 0.0477
West_Scottish: 0.0483
North_Dutch: 0.0577

Mother:
German: 0.0102
South_Dutch: 0.0192
SE_English: 0.0411
French: 0.0476
West_Scottish: 0.0541
North_Dutch: 0.0645

Paternal Grandfather:
West_Scottish: 0.0126
SE_English: 0.0133
North_Dutch: 0.0155
German: 0.044
South_Dutch: 0.0543
French: 0.0849

Paternal Grandmother:
SE_English: 0.0189
North_Dutch: 0.0288
West_Scottish: 0.0308
German: 0.0491
South_Dutch: 0.0559
French: 0.0819

Catkin

05-16-2015, 11:14 AM

Instead of Hinxton4 or French. Try South Dutch or North Dutch. Or Swedish for Hinxton4. You may get closer.

Thanks, I missed Dutch before as a single population, I added those to the spreadsheet and:

56% North_Dutch + 0% SE_English + 18% West_Scottish + 26% German @ D = 0.0054

Super-Germanic :). Though North Dutch often seems close to Irish.

or quite strangely:

77% North_Dutch + 0% SE_English + 0% West_Scottish + 23% Hungarian @ D = 0.0055

Graham

05-16-2015, 11:34 AM

You can try these too.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c_0QqzmqS8M5qGPYx3Q8q64r0LVrmwU1RLO9uRYsfqk/edit#gid=1199641803

Catkin

05-16-2015, 11:48 AM

You can try these too.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c_0QqzmqS8M5qGPYx3Q8q64r0LVrmwU1RLO9uRYsfqk/edit#gid=1199641803

Boom :D

48% Hinxton1 + 18% Hinxton2 + 29% West_Scottish + 5% North_Dutch @ D = 0.0037

49% Hinxton1 + 21% Hinxton2 + 30% West_Scottish + 0% SE_English @ D = 0.0037

Ejder

05-16-2015, 11:50 AM

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 28.45
2 East_Med 26.64
3 West_Med 13.69
4 South_Asian 5.68
5 Baltic 5.57
6 North_Atlantic 5.44
7 Red_Sea 4.42
8 Siberian 4.35
9 East_Asian 4.16
10 Amerindian 1.42

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish @ 5.212664
2 Azeri @ 10.023810
3 Armenian @ 15.659476
4 Kurdish @ 15.760011
5 Georgian_Jewish @ 15.811346
6 Assyrian @ 16.342001
7 Iranian @ 16.422731
8 Turkmen @ 16.566177
9 Lebanese_Muslim @ 17.655796
10 Syrian @ 18.345984
11 Kumyk @ 18.885759
12 Iranian_Jewish @ 19.083614
13 Kurdish_Jewish @ 19.284100
14 Cyprian @ 19.919498
15 Central_Greek @ 21.302526
16 South_Italian @ 21.859934
17 East_Sicilian @ 21.964365
18 Balkar @ 22.532526
19 Adygei @ 23.474152
20 Jordanian @ 23.497812

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Turkish +50% Turkish @ 5.212664

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% South_Italian +25% Uzbeki @ 2.730661

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Tadjik + Balkar + Cyprian + Cyprian @ 2.619272
2 Armenian + Armenian + South_Italian + Uzbeki @ 2.730661
3 Afghan_Tadjik + Algerian_Jewish + Balkar + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.782060
4 Armenian + Armenian + East_Sicilian + Uzbeki @ 2.831214
5 Armenian + Armenian + Central_Greek + Uzbeki @ 2.856481
6 Aghan_Hazara + Cyprian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 2.872223
7 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + South_Italian + Uzbeki @ 2.981275
8 Afghan_Tadjik + Cyprian + Cyprian + Kumyk @ 3.002697
9 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Central_Greek + Georgian_Jewish @ 3.056540
10 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + South_Italian @ 3.101972
11 Afghan_Tadjik + Cyprian + Cyprian + Kabardin @ 3.114366
12 Afghan_Tadjik + Algerian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Ossetian @ 3.128655
13 Afghan_Tadjik + Algerian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + North_Ossetian @ 3.146245
14 Adygei + Aghan_Hazara + Cyprian + Cyprian @ 3.155289
15 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + East_Sicilian + Georgian_Jewish @ 3.170663
16 Afghan_Tadjik + Cyprian + Turkish + Turkish @ 3.172228
17 Afghan_Tadjik + Balkar + Lebanese_Christian + South_Italian @ 3.189244
18 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Armenian + East_Sicilian @ 3.193127
19 Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Hazara + South_Italian @ 3.205809
20 Afghan_Tadjik + Balkar + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.207120

Jackson

05-16-2015, 12:54 PM

You can try these too.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c_0QqzmqS8M5qGPYx3Q8q64r0LVrmwU1RLO9uRYsfqk/edit#gid=1199641803

Interesting, using 1,2,3 and 5. Was 1 the other Iron Age one?:

Me:
Target = 0% Hinxton5 + 0% Hinxton3 + 0% Hinxton2 + 100% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0252 (Not so close)

Target = 7% Hinxton5 + 10% Hinxton3 + 6% Turkish + 77% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0057 (Better)

Target = 17% Hinxton5 + 4% Hinxton3 + 6% Kurdish + 73% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0053

Target = 0% Hinxton5 + 26% Hinxton3 + 4% Saudi + 70% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0045 (Better still)

Target = 0% Hinxton5 + 24% Hinxton3 + 5% Syrian + 71% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0026 (Wow, closest fit I've seen anyone have)

Mother:
Target = 0% Hinxton5 + 0% Hinxton3 + 0% Hinxton2 + 100% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.033 (Not so close)

Target = 0% Hinxton5 + 22% Hinxton3 + 6% Syrian + 72% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0087 (Quite a bit closer)

Target = 0% Hinxton5 + 23% Hinxton3 + 8% Turkish + 69% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0062 (Better)

Target = 1% Hinxton5 + 24% Hinxton3 + 7% Kurdish + 68% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0055 (Even better)

Paternal Grandfather:
Target = 12% Hinxton5 + 0% Hinxton3 + 31% Hinxton2 + 57% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0048

Target = 12% Hinxton5 + 0% Hinxton3 + 18% Russian_Smolensk + 70% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0035

Target = 12% Hinxton5 + 0% Hinxton3 + 20% Polish + 68% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0032

Paternal Grandmother:

Target = 57% Hinxton5 + 0% Hinxton3 + 0% Hinxton2 + 43% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0079

Target = 62% Hinxton5 + 0% Hinxton3 + 2% Sardinian + 36% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0059

Clearly my Dad's side is basically just British, but my Mum's side cannot be :P, just my grandfather has an eastern pull and my grandmother a south-western one, but their results are pretty normal so i doubt it's related to anything in particular.

Looking at this i guess my Mum's side basically Iron Age northwest Europeans + a little extra Near Eastern, guess it's from Turkey, Syria or somewhere around there if it it came directly. Given that my Aunt usually comes out with less near-eastern influence than my Mum, and i'm closest to my mother, i guess in genealogical terms it slightly overestimates it for me but is probably about right for my mother.

Looks kinda like Turkish or Kurdish for my mum, but i think Syrian fits better for me as i have a little lower ANE.

Jackson

05-16-2015, 01:09 PM

Even closer one for my mother:
Target = 8% Hinxton2 + 15% Hinxton3 + 7% Kurdish + 70% Hinxton1 @ D = 0.0048

Not a Cop

05-16-2015, 03:01 PM

Clearly my Dad's side is basically just British, but my Mum's side cannot be :P, just my grandfather has an eastern pull and my grandmother a south-western one, but their results are pretty normal so i doubt it's related to anything in particular.

Looking at this i guess my Mum's side basically Iron Age northwest Europeans + a little extra Near Eastern, guess it's from Turkey, Syria or somewhere around there if it it came directly. Given that my Aunt usually comes out with less near-eastern influence than my Mum, and i'm closest to my mother, i guess in genealogical terms it slightly overestimates it for me but is probably about right for my mother.

Looks kinda like Turkish or Kurdish for my mum, but i think Syrian fits better for me as i have a little lower ANE.

Have you tried Armenians? That's basicly only NE group i know which has a long story of presence in Europe.

Jackson

05-16-2015, 03:06 PM

Have you tried Armenians? That's basicly only NE group i know which has a long story of presence in Europe.

I did actually, it was quite a good fit, i think actually a better one - good shout. I've got to go somewhere now but i'll be back in a few hours so i'll run it again and see what it was, i think it was 0.004 something as well though if i remember correctly. That is interesting because she does have quite a bit extra 'West Asian' on all calculators, and it peaks around that region in most calculators iirc. I'm pretty sure i know what part of the family it is from but i have no useful genealogical records, will require more research i'm sure.

Äijä

05-16-2015, 03:07 PM

How old can that Middle East be?

Sikeliot

05-16-2015, 03:10 PM

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish @ 5.212664
2 Azeri @ 10.023810
3 Armenian @ 15.659476
4 Kurdish @ 15.760011
5 Georgian_Jewish @ 15.811346
6 Assyrian @ 16.342001
7 Iranian @ 16.422731
8 Turkmen @ 16.566177
9 Lebanese_Muslim @ 17.655796
10 Syrian @ 18.345984
11 Kumyk @ 18.885759
12 Iranian_Jewish @ 19.083614
13 Kurdish_Jewish @ 19.284100
14 Cyprian @ 19.919498
15 Central_Greek @ 21.302526
16 South_Italian @ 21.859934
17 East_Sicilian @ 21.964365
18 Balkar @ 22.532526
19 Adygei @ 23.474152
20 Jordanian @ 23.497812

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Turkish +50% Turkish @ 5.212664

Interesting, you're not too far off genetically from some southern Italians, Greeks, Sicilians etc. Must be a lot of ancient mixing back and forth between the three regions, all of which have a strong Anatolian base.

Catkin

05-16-2015, 03:28 PM

Best match I've found for myself:

75% Hinxton1 + 5% Hinxton2 + 15% Unetice_EBA + 5% Corded_Ware_LN @ D = 0.0016 :)

Dropping the Hinxton2 boosts the others and still gives 0.0017.
Yamnaya instead of Corded_Ware_LN gives 0.0018.

Graham

05-17-2015, 02:52 PM

Graham = 75% Bell Beaker Late Neolithic + 10% Corded Ware Late Neolithic + 15% Baalberge Middle Neolithic = 0.001

Using the Bell Beakers individually. Best fit I can knowingly get.

Catkin

05-17-2015, 02:59 PM

Graham = 75% Bell Beaker Late Neolithic + 10% Corded Ware Late Neolithic + 15% Baalberge Middle Neolithic = 0.001

Using the Bell Beakers individually. Best fit I can knowingly get.

Wow! :D Well that's the end of that game! Haha

Lock

05-17-2015, 08:42 PM

Which EU test are you guys using to see all that?

Longbowman

05-17-2015, 08:46 PM

Which EU test are you guys using to see all that?

One that isn't on GEDmatch but is much better.

Go to Eurogenes, donate $20, mail them your downloaded DNA, what you put into GEDmatch, and they'll give you the results + PCA charts, etc

Lock

05-17-2015, 08:51 PM

Oh ok, I will have to do it asap.

Longbowman

05-17-2015, 08:53 PM

Oh ok, I will have to do it asap.

Best $20 you'll ever spend.

Lock

05-17-2015, 08:53 PM

Best $20 you'll ever spend.

Yeah $20 is nothing lol

♥ Lily ♥

05-21-2015, 02:40 PM

The difference between South West England & South East England is very small. Just don't let the Cornish Celtic Nationalists know. lol

That's true! Some Cornish people get agitated if they're referred to as 'English'. They have their own Celtic Cornish language there and there's Cornish people wanting independence which is understandable due to the gentrification happening there with house prices being too high for the locals who are forced to move into neighbouring Somerset, whilst the wealthy city-slickers buy second homes in Cornwall, with little respect for the Cornish culture, language, ancient religion, etc. The Cornish fishing industry is harmed by the EU laws.

English is one of the most spoken languages in the world, yet in the small British Isles there's English, Welsh, Gaelic, Cornish and Manx languages. The Celtic languages are endangered, especially Cornish. I read that the National Heritage Foundation opened and promoted language centres to try to encourage local people to learn and save both the endangered Welsh and Cornish languages. Cumbric and Devonian Celtic languages recently went extinct in England.

The Manx people on the Isle of Man have their own Celtic language too. The Manx people have the worlds oldest parliament and they still keep a very old Viking style parliament and Viking customs on the Isle of Man to this day.
http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A7x9UnFZ9V1Vel0AhBN3Bwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBs YWhiN2NvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2lyMgR2dGlkAw--?_adv_prop=image&fr=yhs-iry-fullyhosted_003&va=viking+parliament+isle+of+man&hspart=iry&hsimp=yhs-fullyhosted_003
https://www.gov.im/categories/business-and-industries/iom-key-facts-guide/island-facts/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tynwald
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmtqn8wANLY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwhbNgM9tE0

Longbowman

05-21-2015, 04:45 PM

Manx has about 20 speakers and Cornish, 300. They're not real community languages.

Jackson

05-21-2015, 05:26 PM

Manx has about 20 speakers and Cornish, 300. They're not real community languages.

Well the fact that they were in the relatively recent past and that this is known, it warrants some level of recognition.

Longbowman

05-21-2015, 05:42 PM

Well the fact that they were in the relatively recent past and that this is known, it warrants some level of recognition.

I absolutely refuse to consider them community languages.

Cornish hasn't been one for 3 or 4 centuries. Manx for one or two.

Welsh and Scottish Gaelic are different.

Jackson

05-21-2015, 05:57 PM

I absolutely refuse to consider them community languages.

Cornish hasn't been one for 3 or 4 centuries. Manx for one or two.

Welsh and Scottish Gaelic are different.

Well two things:

What number of people do you consider a community? Even 20 people can be a community.

Also, as it was known that they were much more widely spoken within a community the language should still be recognized at such - languages are born out of community anyway.

I'm not going to try and change your mind, and it's only a relatively small issue anyway but that is my opinion.

Longbowman

05-21-2015, 06:02 PM

Well two things:

What number of people do you consider a community? Even 20 people can be a community.

Also, as it was known that they were much more widely spoken within a community the language should still be recognized at such - languages are born out of community anyway.

I'm not going to try and change your mind, and it's only a relatively small issue anyway but that is my opinion.

It could be - but it isn't. That's 20 spread out over the island, not 20 in a village.

Those communities are now English speaking and have been for centuries. If and when Cornwall has tens of thousands (that's still only 5% of the population) of first language Cornish speakers, and not only a couple of hundred, I will accede to the wasting of time and money and the fomentation of independentism therein.

What next? Pictish? Neolithic British? Old Mercian? Cumbric? Give me strength.

Graham

05-21-2015, 06:14 PM

If you identity in a different way, don't see reason to argue against it. As long as there are historical reasons behind it.

Orkney & Shetland have more difference to Scotland than Cornwall has to England.

Jackson

05-21-2015, 07:12 PM

It could be - but it isn't. That's 20 spread out over the island, not 20 in a village.

Those communities are now English speaking and have been for centuries. If and when Cornwall has tens of thousands (that's still only 5% of the population) of first language Cornish speakers, and not only a couple of hundred, I will accede to the wasting of time and money and the fomentation of independentism therein.

What next? Pictish? Neolithic British? Old Mercian? Cumbric? Give me strength.

I'm not saying that they should receive precedence over English, but that they are living languages associated with a people.

Longbowman

05-21-2015, 08:18 PM

I'm not saying that they should receive precedence over English, but that they are living languages associated with a people.

'Associated with a people' is irrelevant. They're not living, they're reconstructed hobbyist languages with only a dozen or so native speakers between them. A good linguistic classification would be 'moribund.' If they were living then they'd be community language with thousands of speakers and we wouldn't be arguing this.

Norman French, Jackson? Should we be wasting our resources on that, in an era wherein barely an integer percentage of native-born Britons speak a foreign language? Perhaps this is my relict nationalism talking, but I strongly oppose all money wasted on breathing life into the corpse of a language whose existence would only fracture our already disunited country.

I mentioned 'Cumbric.' There's actually movement to revive it (http://www.cumbraek.co.uk/ab_intro.html). Where does this end? Will there be an England to speak of, or are you relying on the failure or only limited successes of these movements?

These are not community languages. They are projects for bored hobbyists. If you want to learn a community language, British, that of your ancestors, Celtic, here you go (http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/learning/learnwelsh/).

If you identity in a different way, don't see reason to argue against it. As long as there are historical reasons behind it.

I'm not attacking those 20 people, I'm saying there aren't enough of them for me to care at the moment, nor to consider Manx a vernacular, which it isn't.

Even if there aren't historical reasons, idc. Self determination.

♥ Lily ♥

05-21-2015, 08:23 PM

Between 1000 and 2000 people speak Manx on the Isle of Man. The Celtic languages are very endangered and Cumbric and Devonian are now extinct.
http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_on_earth_speak_manx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxvQm4E9dug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nde-TEfsS9E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIq8ixPXA4c

Jackson

05-21-2015, 08:30 PM

'Associated with a people' is irrelevant. They're not living, they're reconstructed hobbyist languages with only a dozen or so native speakers between them. A good linguistic classification would be 'moribund.' If they were living then they'd be community language with thousands of speakers and we wouldn't be arguing this.

Norman French, Jackson? Should we be wasting our resources on that, in an era wherein barely an integer percentage of native-born Britons speak a foreign language? Perhaps this is my relict nationalism talking, but I strongly oppose all money wasted on breathing life into the corpse of a language whose existence would only fracture our already disunited country.

I mentioned 'Cumbric.' There's actually movement to revive it (http://www.cumbraek.co.uk/ab_intro.html). Where does this end? Will there be an England to speak of, or are you relying on the failure or only limited successes of these movements?

These are not community languages. They are projects for bored hobbyists. If you want to learn a community language, British, that of your ancestors, Celtic, here you go (http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/learning/learnwelsh/).

I'm not attacking those 20 people, I'm saying there aren't enough of them for me to care at the moment, nor to consider Manx a vernacular, which it isn't.

Even if there aren't historical reasons, idc. Self determination.

Ahh you're such a miserable bugger. :P

It wouldn't fracture the country much more, after all... they are only 'reconstructed hobbyist languages with only a dozen or so native speakers between them'. Yeah you'll get groups like the Cornish nationalists and all that but they're not exactly going to go the way of Scotland now haha.

Longbowman

05-21-2015, 08:33 PM

Between 1000 and 2000 people speak Manx on the Isle of Man. The Celtic languages are very endangered and Cumbric and Devonian are now extinct.

As a first language the number is in the tens. Ethnologue says 'around 100.' Knowing a few words does not make you a speaker. This is special snowflakes pretending to be all Native when 2/3 of Manx are recent English immigrants. Christ the Lord.

However the Isle of Mann isn't technically in the UK, it's a crown dependency only, so I don't really care what they do. Cornwall, on the other hand, can revive languages on its own time with its own money.

Cornish has 20 native speakers and less than 600 people who claimed to speak it. Out of 500,000. They're hobbies. Not vernaculars.

Longbowman

05-21-2015, 08:33 PM

Ahh you're such a miserable bugger. :P

It wouldn't fracture the country much more, after all... they are only 'reconstructed hobbyist languages with only a dozen or so native speakers between them'. Yeah you'll get groups like the Cornish nationalists and all that but they're not exactly going to go the way of Scotland now haha.

Not now. Scotland was Conservative in the 50s and they're as Anglo-Saxon as we are. Give them time.

Neon Knight

05-21-2015, 09:45 PM

Not now. Scotland was Conservative in the 50s and they're as Anglo-Saxon as we are. Give them time.Cornwall is like a sock that hasn't been pulled on properly.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTlZxXlTn5u1XOqk_e_jK0ydVfz0y267 8DgSVm8jPmCK-sq3dLvtA

Not a Cop

06-10-2015, 08:29 AM

ANE 0.19129
South_Eurasian 0.014492
Near_Eastern 0.318345
East_Eurasian 0.023111
WHG 0.448266
Oceanian 0.003757
Pygmy 0.00073
Sub-Saharan 0

jtoml3

06-10-2015, 08:34 AM

ANE 0.124664
South_Eurasian 0.009161
Near_Eastern 0.426452
WHG 0.427455
Oceanian 0.012238