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Proto-Shaman
01-05-2015, 07:12 PM
The Scytho-Turkic Z2125 branch:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=54078&d=1420471326

compare with all Z93 branches + the non-correlating Indo-Aryan migration theory:
http://i023.radikal.ru/1407/59/cd24245b498a.png

The Andronovo culture is much too late for an Indo-Iranian identification since chariot-wielding "aR1ans" appear in Mitanni by the 15th to 16th century BC.

And last but not least compare Indo-Iranian autosomal dna:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QKR7A_zu-MY/UFtElAEysSI/AAAAAAAAD1Q/ajahtf-3HUA/s1600/MDLPindoiranian.jpg

Artek
01-09-2015, 04:48 PM
So who invaded India? Ancient Turks?

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 04:50 PM
Bullcrap. The Altaic languages are related to the C haplogroup, not the R1a, no matter what the Turkics say...

Duke
01-09-2015, 04:58 PM
https://faculty.unlv.edu/jmstitt/Eng414A/Graphics/CentumSatemMap.gif

Artek
01-09-2015, 04:59 PM
Bullcrap. The Altaic languages are related to the C haplogroup, not the R1a, no matter what the Turkics say...
They surely suffer from identity crisis, since many of them are R1a-Z93, J2 etc, so a clades that have nothing to do with emergence of their language.

Some hypocrisies are summed up by internet lolcontent, like this one

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10404193_737458926332501_2276645459614783000_n.png ?oh=6bddcc7a71defb10067164c6b15bf6c6&oe=556D670E&__gda__=1433231928_00476cf8e8d8cd55de65ec6be45e0de 8

gültekin
01-09-2015, 05:01 PM
yet another, "Golden Woman" Scythian princess found in Kazahstan Terekti
description on the comb shows a war between Scythians and Iranians. so that's a big evidence, Scythians can't be fucking iranians
http://onturk.org/2014/08/20/altin-giysili-kadin/#more-4639
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/2287.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/2379.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1

http://vimeo.com/109364371

Duke
01-09-2015, 05:03 PM
yet another, "Golden Woman" Scythian princess found in Kazahstan Terekti
description on the comb shows a war between Scythians and Iranians. so that's a big evidence, Scythians can't be fucking iranians
http://onturk.org/2014/08/20/altin-giysili-kadin/#more-4639
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/2287.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/2379.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1

http://vimeo.com/109364371


Scythians/sarmatians, is an old name for Slavs before Slaven word existed

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 05:04 PM
They surely suffer from identity crisis, since many of them are R1a-Z93, J2 etc, so a clades that have nothing to do with emergence of their language.

Some hypocrisies are summed up by internet lolcontent, like this one

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10404193_737458926332501_2276645459614783000_n.png ?oh=6bddcc7a71defb10067164c6b15bf6c6&oe=556D670E&__gda__=1433231928_00476cf8e8d8cd55de65ec6be45e0de 8

They are suffering from an identity crisis because no Turks has ever done anything useful in the course of the entire history. Few Greeks belong to the R1b haplogroup which brought the Greek language to Greece either, but at least we can pride of something...

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 05:05 PM
yet another, "Golden Woman" Scythian princess found in Kazahstan Terekti
description on the comb shows a war between Scythians and Iranians. so that's a big evidence, Scythians can't be fucking iranians
http://onturk.org/2014/08/20/altin-giysili-kadin/#more-4639
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/2287.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/2379.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1

http://vimeo.com/109364371

Never heard of civil wars?

Instinct
01-09-2015, 05:07 PM
I think Turkic ethnicity is a result of a Mongol women and an Aryan men. This is why Turks get highly r1a and r1b in Central Asia.

gültekin
01-09-2015, 05:07 PM
http://s28.postimg.org/uznbxb8il/pca12.png
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2012/24/1339372923-e1.png

KawaiiKawaii
01-09-2015, 05:08 PM
Bullcrap. The Altaic languages are related to the C haplogroup, not the R1a, no matter what the Turkics say...

There is no such thing as Altaic languages.

Artek
01-09-2015, 05:14 PM
They are suffering from an identity crisis because no Turks has ever done anything useful in the course of the entire history. Few Greeks belong to the R1b haplogroup which brought the Greek language to Greece either, but at least we can pride of something...
That's obviously not true ;)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10402043_725380717540322_9009787866938617375_n.jpg ?oh=3854b324d2df47a7a7538ea712e8c6a4&oe=553702D0&__gda__=1433301096_61125300ac5386d77d386f9a50b6583 0

Alphawolf
01-09-2015, 05:24 PM
Agzi olan konusuyor.

Duke
01-09-2015, 05:30 PM
scythians are not turkic

They were light haired Indoeuropean people
http://modrodnovery.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Rod-Scythian-Warriors.gif
This pattern on scythian vase is same pattern we use, look at Croat below my forum name, its national pattern for us

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YilS2WjHzX0/T13z2zdaHGI/AAAAAAAAAHg/Pn7PSzcY6sM/s1600/Scythians.jpg


this reconstruction looks similar to me
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CS%5CC%5CScythian%20man%20from%20Nikopol%20ku rhan%20%28reconstruction%29.jpg


BTW, oldest records of our history, Roman bishop called us Sarmatians, this is before Sclaven word existed, and lists our people names, which are typical Slavic, therefore what was before Scythian/Sarmatian, now is Slavonic

gültekin
01-09-2015, 05:48 PM
http://tengrinews.kz/userdata/9(185).jpg
http://en.tengrinews.kz/science/Reconstruction-shows-how-ancient-Scythian-Princess-discovered-in-Kazakhstan-255482/
crystal clear Turkic patterns, Turkic dress and Turkic symbol "ram" on top of her hood. There is nothing to discuss anymore...
http://turkkazak.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/kazak-bayanlar.jpg
http://www.nethabercilik.com/images/other/kazak-sanatcilardan-tesekkur-ziyareti-IHA-20111017AY475518-01.jpg

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 05:50 PM
There is no such thing as Altaic languages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages


Altaic / (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)æ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)l (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)t (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)eɪ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɨ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)k (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) is a proposed language family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_family) of central Eurasia. Various versions include the Turkic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages), Mongolic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolic_languages), Tungusic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungusic_languages), Koreanic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreanic_languages), and Japonic languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japonic_languages).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages#cite_note-1) These languages are spoken in a wide arc stretching from northeast Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia) through Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia) to Anatolia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia) and eastern Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages#cite_note-2) The group is named after the Altai Mountains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_Mountains), a mountain range in Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia).
The Altaic language families share numerous characteristics. The debate is over the origin of their similarities. One camp, often called the "Altaicists", views these similarities as arising from common descent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_relationship_%28linguistics%29) from a proto-Altaic language spoken several thousand years ago. The other camp, often called the "anti-Altaicists", views these similarities as arising from areal interaction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_contact) between the language groups concerned. Some linguists believe the case for either interpretation is about equally strong; they have been called the "skeptics".[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages#cite_note-3)
Another view accepts Altaic as a valid family but includes in it only Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic. This view was widespread prior to the 1960s, but has almost no supporters among specialists today.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages#cite_note-4) The expanded grouping, including Korean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_language) and Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language), came to be known as "Macro-Altaic", leading to the designation of the smaller grouping as "Micro-Altaic" by retronymy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retronym). Most proponents of Altaic continue to support the inclusion of Korean and Japanese.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages#cite_note-China_2008-5)
Micro-Altaic includes about 66 living languages,[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages#cite_note-6) to which Macro-Altaic would add Korean, Japanese, and the Ryukyuan languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryukyuan_languages) for a total of about 74. (These are estimates, depending on what is considered a language and what is considered a dialect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_or_dialect). They do not include earlier states of languages, such as Middle Mongol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Mongol_language) or Old Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Japanese).)



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Lenguas_altaicas.png/300px-Lenguas_altaicas.png

Duke
01-09-2015, 05:52 PM
http://tengrinews.kz/userdata/9(185).jpg
http://en.tengrinews.kz/science/Reconstruction-shows-how-ancient-Scythian-Princess-discovered-in-Kazakhstan-255482/
crystal clear Turkic patterns, Turkic dress and Turkic symbol "ram" on top of her hood. There is nothing to discuss anymore...
http://turkkazak.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/kazak-bayanlar.jpg
http://www.nethabercilik.com/images/other/kazak-sanatcilardan-tesekkur-ziyareti-IHA-20111017AY475518-01.jpg

Those are turkic people, scythian people subdued them, like for instance, in Russia, you have lots of turkic people, but the "horde", are russians themselves

Early slavs
croats

http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz257/matija191/konjanik.jpg
http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz257/matija191/10.jpg

Russians
http://s424.photobucket.com/user/thrashing_mad2/media/2_zps39ff6e8f.gif.html
http://s1.hubimg.com/u/8637108_f520.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/mitchtanz/dukemichael1.jpg
http://weaponsandwarfare.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/boyar1-500x492.jpg

Ukrainians(Kievan Rus)
http://www.afield.org.ua/mod3/img/mod64_1_7.jpg
http://www.amr-museum.ru/images/news/news8.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/rogday_rosomaha/25180123/131981/131981_900.jpg


Polish-Lithuanian
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-09VgEX1uH9g/UG6LvdEiTAI/AAAAAAAAB6w/WlnVIYq80Xo/s1600/eques+ex+Lithuanie.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Polish_Hussar_half-armour_Winged_Riders.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.roosterteeth.com/images/Batpez4a1c0849c49f3.jpg

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 05:54 PM
Bullcrap. The Altaic languages are related to the C haplogroup, not the R1a, no matter what the Turkics say...

Most common haplogroups among Turkic peoples are R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N. Fucking idiot.




They surely suffer from identity crisis, since many of them are R1a-Z93, J2 etc, so a clades that have nothing to do with emergence of their language.


The same can be said about Scythian/Sarmatian-wannabe Slavs. Neither your culture/language, nor your dna have anything to do with Scythians/Sarmatians and other nomadic horse peoples (Even North Caucasians have more ANE Admixture than Slavs). Slavs originate from Pripet Marshes, they were never really part of the Great Steppe (their language, military tactics, culture etc were alien to steppe) , yet they do view themselves as descendants of Scythian tribes, which is one of the funniest anthrofora myths if you ask me. Connecting Slavs to Scythians just because of R1a* is beyond idiotic.

Everything steppe-influenced in their culture & language is due to Cumans, Tatars and other Turkic peoples. Scythians and other tribes of the steppe were already absorbed into Turkic identity & culture when Slavs first stepped out of their marshes. Which is why Anna Comnena of Byzantium called the Pecheneg invaders and their language "Scythian", and other Byzantine Historians called Oghuz Turks "descendants of ancient Massagetae". They were Turanist too, right?

The Cossacks were only steppe-influenced Slavic people. Their dress, military fashion, tactics, arms, armor etc was heavily influenced from neighboring Turk-Tatar, and later from North Caucasian peoples. Even the word "Cossack" is derived from Turkic "Kozak" or "Kazak". Slavs are not steppe people, never were, even though they live in the former lands of steppe peoples.
http://i.hizliresim.com/A0yg7L.png (http://hizliresim.com/A0yg7L)
http://i.hizliresim.com/ay10zg.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/ay10zg)

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 05:55 PM
So who invaded India? Ancient Turks?
Genetically Bashkirs and Kyrgyz to be exact (see A. Klyosov). Any further questions?

KawaiiKawaii
01-09-2015, 05:58 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Lenguas_altaicas.png/300px-Lenguas_altaicas.png

I know, but the theory is not accepted by most linguists. All these languages do have a relation to each other, not on a genetical level (with a common ancestor called Proto-Altaic), but on an areal level: they lived close to each other and developed some common features.
Just like Greek, Bulgarian, Romanian and Albanian form what is called the Balkan Sprachbund for example in your case.

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 06:01 PM
I know, but the theory is not accepted by most linguists. All these languages do have a relation to each other, not on a genetical level (with a common ancestor called Proto-Altaic), but on an areal level: they lived close to each other and developed some common features.
Just like Greek, Bulgarian, Romanian and Albanian form what is called the Balkan Sprachbund for example in your case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Lenguas_altaicas.png/300px-Lenguas_altaicas.png
Here is some food for thought:

“However, we may look upon the Altaic taxon from the other angle. That is, from the point of view of the degree of the dispersion of the Indo-European family, whose dispersion is greater (V= 223.79%), than that of the Altaic (V= 207.76%) taxon. This speaks for the Altaic theory. Really, if the majority of linguists support the idea of the Indo-European family, then one should think twice before rejecting the Altaic taxon as a family, because the compactness of Altaic is greater.”

Yuri Tambovtsev. Novosibirsk Pedagogical University. Novosibirsk, Russia. “Language Taxons and the Naturalness of their Classification”. California Linguistic Notes. Volume XXX No. 2 Fall, 2005. (http://english.fullerton.edu/publications/cln/clnarchives/2005fall/Tam-CompLanguage-rda.pdf)

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 06:06 PM
Genetically Bashkirs and Kyrgyz to be exact (see A. Klyosov). Any further questions?

Nonsense. Bashkirs & Kyrgyz may be genetically related to them, but that doesn't make them the same people.

gültekin
01-09-2015, 06:07 PM
Most common haplogroups among Turkic peoples are R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N. Fucking idiot.





The same can be said about Scythian/Sarmatian-wannabe Slavs. Neither your culture/language, nor your dna have anything to do with Scythians/Sarmatians and other nomadic horse peoples (Even North Caucasians have more ANE Admixture than Slavs). Slavs originate from Pripet Marshes, they were never really part of the Great Steppe (their language, military tactics, culture etc were alien to steppe) , yet they do view themselves as descendants of Scythian tribes, which is one of the funniest anthrofora myths if you ask me. Connecting Slavs to Scythians just because of R1a* is beyond idiotic.

Everything steppe-influenced in their culture & language is due to Cumans, Tatars and other Turkic peoples. Scythians and other tribes of the steppe were already absorbed into Turkic identity & culture when Slavs first stepped out of their marshes. Which is why Anna Comnena of Byzantium called the Pechenegs and their language "Scythian", and other Byzantine Historians called Oghuz Turks "descendants of ancient Massagetae". They were Turanist too, right?

The Cossacks were only steppe-influenced Slavic people. Their dress, military fashion, tactics, arms, armor etc was heavily influenced from neighboring Turk-Tatar, and later from North Caucasian peoples. Even the word "Cossack" is derived from Turkic "Kozak" or "Kazak". Slavs are not steppe people, never were, even though they live in the former lands of steppe peoples.
http://i.hizliresim.com/A0yg7L.png (http://hizliresim.com/A0yg7L)
http://i.hizliresim.com/ay10zg.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/ay10zg)
even some surnames, for example Shevchenko. Shevchen is a noble well known Circassian familie. -ko means son like -ov -sson - oglu etc. Shevchenko means son of Shevchen

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 06:10 PM
here is some more food for thought:

Prof. Tuna said in his last days: “We have likely worked in vain to reconstruct the Proto-Altaic;
what we have done was to reconstruct the Proto-Turkic.”

KawaiiKawaii
01-09-2015, 06:11 PM
even some surnames, for example Shevchenko. Shevchen is a noble well known Circassian familie. -ko means son like -ov -sson - oglu etc. Shevchenko means son of Shevchen

Shevchenko (alternative spellings Schevchenko, Ševčenko, Shevcenko, Szewczenko; Ukrainian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language): Шевченко), a family name of Ukrainian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians) origin. It is derived from the Ukrainian word shvets (Ukrainian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language): швець), "cobbler/shoemaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoemaking)", and the suffix -enko, denoting descent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shevchenko
:thumb001:

When you have an idea, try first to verify if it's not retarded.

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 06:12 PM
Most common haplogroups among Turkic peoples are R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N. Fucking idiot.

Irrelevant, fucking idiot. The Hungarians speak a language spoken by a far away people whose common haplogroup is the N haplogroup: The Uralic languages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages


The Uralic languages / (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)j (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ʊ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)r (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)æ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)l (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɨ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)k (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) (sometimes called Uralian / (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)j (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ʊ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)r (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)eɪ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)l (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)i (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ə (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)n (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) languages) constitute a language family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_family) of some 38[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages#cite_note-2) languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language) spoken by approximately 25 million people. The Uralic languages with the most native speakers are Hungarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language), Finnish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_language), and Estonian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_language), which are official languages of Hungary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary), Finland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland), and Estonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia), respectively, and of the European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union). Other Uralic languages with significant numbers of speakers are Erzya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erzya_language), Moksha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moksha_language), Mari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mari_language), Udmurt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udmurt_language), and Komi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komi_language), which are officially recognized languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Russia) in various regions of Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia).
The name "Uralic" derives from the fact that areas where the languages are spoken spread on both sides of the Ural Mountains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural_Mountains). Also, the original homeland (Urheimat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urheimat)) is commonly hypothesized (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Uralic_homeland_hypotheses) to lie in the vicinity of the Urals.
Finno-Ugric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages) is sometimes used as a synonym for Uralic, though Finno-Ugric is widely understood to exclude the Samoyedic languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoyedic_languages).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages#cite_note-3)



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Fenno-Ugrian_languages.png/300px-Fenno-Ugrian_languages.png

Yet the Hungarians have a measly 1% N haplogroup! Nevertheless, it is more than certain that the N haplogroup generated the Uralic languages, because all of the Uralic speakers share a common haplogroup ONLY, the N haplogroup.

In a similar fashion, the Altaic speaking people might be majority R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N, but the only haplogroup present in all of the Altaic speaking countries (from Turkey to Japan) is the C haplogroup... And its' maximum concentration is in Khazakstan, which is pretty close to the place where the Altaic languages were originally spoken...






The same can be said about Scythian/Sarmatian-wannabe Slavs. Neither your culture/language, nor your dna have anything to do with Scythians/Sarmatians and other nomadic horse peoples (Even North Caucasians have more ANE Admixture than Slavs). Slavs originate from Pripet Marshes, they were never really part of the Great Steppe (their language, military tactics, culture etc were alien to steppe) , yet they do view themselves as descendants of Scythian tribes, which is one of the funniest anthrofora myths if you ask me. Connecting Slavs to Scythians just because of R1a* is beyond idiotic.

All satem Indo-European languages have a common haplogroup: R1a, just as all R1b Indo-European languages have a common haplogroup: R1b.


Everything steppe-influenced in their culture & language is due to Cumans, Tatars and other Turkic peoples. Scythians and other tribes of the steppe were already absorbed into Turkic identity & culture when Slavs first stepped out of their marshes. Which is why Anna Comnena of Byzantium called the Pecheneg invaders and their language "Scythian", and other Byzantine Historians called Oghuz Turks "descendants of ancient Massagetae". They were Turanist too, right?

The Cossacks were only steppe-influenced Slavic people. Their dress, military fashion, tactics, arms, armor etc was heavily influenced from neighboring Turk-Tatar, and later from North Caucasian peoples. Even the word "Cossack" is derived from Turkic "Kozak" or "Kazak". Slavs are not steppe people, never were, even though they live in the former lands of steppe peoples.
http://i.hizliresim.com/A0yg7L.png (http://hizliresim.com/A0yg7L)
http://i.hizliresim.com/ay10zg.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/ay10zg)

Duke
01-09-2015, 06:14 PM
you turks are retarded, in east europe and steppe ,horsmen were main type of warrior, but you are not Indo europeans, early turks are mongoloid, and you guys today are primarily anatolian, with minor mongol admix

Scythians were light haired people with Indoeuropan genes, and as study has shown they were not similar to Caucasus people

Ancient Y-DNA data was finally provided by Keyser et al in 2009. They studied the haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area in Siberia were dated from between the middle of the 2nd millennium BC and the 4th century AD (Scythian and Sarmatian timeframe). Nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R-M17. The authors suggest that their data shows that between Bronze and Iron Ages the constellation of populations known variously as Scythians, Andronovians, etc. were blue- (or green-) eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people who might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization. Moreover, this study found that they were genetically more closely related to modern populations of eastern Europe than those of central and southern Asia.[38] The ubiquity and utter dominance of R1a Y-DNA lineage

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 06:15 PM
Nonsense. Bashkirs & Kyrgyz may be genetically related to them, but that doesn't make them the same people.
Bashkirs & Kyrgyz have the only haplotypes which are reasonably similar to that people who migrated 3400 years ago into India. This shows just the fallacy of the eurocentrics trying to own ancient Central Asians.

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 06:17 PM
I know, but the theory is not accepted by most linguists. All these languages do have a relation to each other, not on a genetical level (with a common ancestor called Proto-Altaic), but on an areal level: they lived close to each other and developed some common features.
Just like Greek, Bulgarian, Romanian and Albanian form what is called the Balkan Sprachbund for example in your case.

Well, even if they have a relation in an areal level, this is enough proof enough to suggest that the speakers of Japanese and Koreans once lived close to the speakers of Turkish. This happened somewhere in Siberia, and the languages were moved from Japan and Korea all the way to Turkey by a small number of the C haplogroup nobility...

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 06:19 PM
Here is some food for thought:

“However, we may look upon the Altaic taxon from the other angle. That is, from the point of view of the degree of the dispersion of the Indo-European family, whose dispersion is greater (V= 223.79%), than that of the Altaic (V= 207.76%) taxon. This speaks for the Altaic theory. Really, if the majority of linguists support the idea of the Indo-European family, then one should think twice before rejecting the Altaic taxon as a family, because the compactness of Altaic is greater.”

Yuri Tambovtsev. Novosibirsk Pedagogical University. Novosibirsk, Russia. “Language Taxons and the Naturalness of their Classification”. California Linguistic Notes. Volume XXX No. 2 Fall, 2005. (http://english.fullerton.edu/publications/cln/clnarchives/2005fall/Tam-CompLanguage-rda.pdf)

What the authors says is that if Indo-European is accepted as a language family, then he/she should also accept an Altaic language family.

Indo-European is as much spread as Altaic in area anyway...

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 06:21 PM
here is some more food for thought:

Prof. Tuna said in his last days: “We have likely worked in vain to reconstruct the Proto-Altaic;
what we have done was to reconstruct the Proto-Turkic.”

Reconstructions of proto-languages are not proving anything. Much of the Altaic languages vanished, and as a result the reconstruction could be impossible...

Duke
01-09-2015, 06:23 PM
once agian

Ancient Y-DNA data was finally provided by Keyser et al in 2009. They studied the haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area in Siberia were dated from between the middle of the 2nd millennium BC and the 4th century AD (Scythian and Sarmatian timeframe). Nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R-M17. The authors suggest that their data shows that between Bronze and Iron Ages the constellation of populations known variously as Scythians, Andronovians, etc. were blue- (or green-) eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people who might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization. Moreover, this study found that they were genetically more closely related to modern populations of eastern Europe than those of central and southern Asia.[38] The ubiquity and utter dominance of R1a Y-DNA lineage

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 06:24 PM
Bashkirs & Kyrgyz have the only haplotypes which are reasonably similar to that people who migrated 3400 years ago into India. This shows just the fallacy of the eurocentrics trying to own ancient Central Asians.

The IndoEuropeans have some roots in Western Asia, not much in Central Asia. The only proof of early Indo-Europeans in Central Asia are the Tokharians, and they are relatively late as well...

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 06:25 PM
Shevchenko (alternative spellings Schevchenko, Ševčenko, Shevcenko, Szewczenko; Ukrainian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language): Шевченко), a family name of Ukrainian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians) origin. It is derived from the Ukrainian word shvets (Ukrainian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language): швець), "cobbler/shoemaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoemaking)", and the suffix -enko, denoting descent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shevchenko
:thumb001:

When you have an idea, try first to verify if it's not retarded.

Gultekin is by definition retarded. He is a Turk of the highest order!!!

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 06:27 PM
What the authors says is that if Indo-European is accepted as a language family, then he/she should also accept an Altaic language family.

Indo-European is as much spread as Altaic in area anyway...

think more in the Nostratic way, then the world becomes easier... :)

Arhat
01-09-2015, 06:27 PM
Most common haplogroups among Turkic peoples are R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N. Fucking idiot.


The same can be said about Scythian/Sarmatian-wannabe Slavs. Neither your culture/language, nor your dna have anything to do with Scythians/Sarmatians and other nomadic horse peoples (Even North Caucasians have more ANE Admixture than Slavs). Slavs originate from Pripet Marshes, they were never really part of the Great Steppe (their language, military tactics, culture etc were alien to steppe) , yet they do view themselves as descendants of Scythian tribes, which is one of the funniest anthrofora myths if you ask me. Connecting Slavs to Scythians just because of R1a* is beyond idiotic.

Everything steppe-influenced in their culture & language is due to Cumans, Tatars and other Turkic peoples. Scythians and other tribes of the steppe were already absorbed into Turkic identity & culture when Slavs first stepped out of their marshes. Which is why Anna Comnena of Byzantium called the Pecheneg invaders and their language "Scythian", and other Byzantine Historians called Oghuz Turks "descendants of ancient Massagetae". They were Turanist too, right?

The Cossacks were only steppe-influenced Slavic people. Their dress, military fashion, tactics, arms, armor etc was heavily influenced from neighboring Turk-Tatar, and later from North Caucasian peoples. Even the word "Cossack" is derived from Turkic "Kozak" or "Kazak". Slavs are not steppe people, never were, even though they live in the former lands of steppe peoples.
http://i.hizliresim.com/A0yg7L.png (http://hizliresim.com/A0yg7L)
http://i.hizliresim.com/ay10zg.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/ay10zg)

slavs have more to do with scythians than altaic turks because both are at least indoeuropean people but turks were orginally just mongols and they still speak a non-indoeuropean language. The scythians spoke northeastern iranic languages like modern ossetians and they were genocided by turks so please stop to claim the heritage of them

gültekin
01-09-2015, 06:28 PM
Shevchenko (alternative spellings Schevchenko, Ševčenko, Shevcenko, Szewczenko; Ukrainian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language): Шевченко), a family name of Ukrainian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians) origin. It is derived from the Ukrainian word shvets (Ukrainian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language): швець), "cobbler/shoemaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoemaking)", and the suffix -enko, denoting descent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shevchenko
:thumb001:

When you have an idea, try first to verify if it's not retarded.
:) so and what means -ko :D
funny guy, there is also an Shovgen-ovsky rajon in Adigeya

Территория Русские Адыгейцы Армяне Украинцы Курды
г. Майкоп 72,6 % 16,7 % 3,0 % 2,5 % 0,0 %
г. Адыгейск 18,1 % 78,4 % 0,4 % 0,6 % -
Сельская местность
г. Майкопа 79,9 % 6,0 % 2,3 % 2,6 % 0,8 %
Гиагинский р-н 86,7 % 2,8 % 3,1 % 2,1 % 0,1 %
Кошехабльский р-н 43,0 % 49,4 % 2,0 % 0,8 % -
Красногвардейский р-н 63,0 % 17,3 % 1,8 % 1,7 % 10,3 %
Майкопский р-н 81,2 % 1,5 % 10,0 % 2,8 % 0,1 %
Тахтамукайский р-н 54,7 % 34,7 % 2,6 % 1,8 % 0,1 %
Теучежский р-н 27,2 % 68,4 % 1,0 % 0,8 % 0,1 %
Шовгеновский р-н 33,6 % 62,5 % 0,4 % 0,7 % 0,0 %
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B4%D1%8B%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%8F

Arhat
01-09-2015, 06:30 PM
The IndoEuropeans have some roots in Western Asia, not much in Central Asia. The only proof of early Indo-Europeans in Central Asia are the Tokharians, and they are relatively late as well...

indoeuropeans didnt orginated in west asia, they orginated somewhere in the pontic-caspian steppe and central asia was very early populated by them also because it is not far away from the eastern european steppe

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 06:31 PM
Reconstructions of proto-languages are not proving anything. Much of the Altaic languages vanished, and as a result the reconstruction could be impossible...
I recently had an eye at the article on Altaic at wiki and saw that Ainu was included. I never heard of that theory. Ainu are known to carry the y-haplogroup D which is also common in Tibet.

gültekin
01-09-2015, 06:32 PM
slavs have more to do with scythians than altaic turks because both are at least indoeuropean people but turks were orginally just mongols and they still speak a non-indoeuropean language. The scythians spoke northeastern iranic languages like modern ossetians and they were genocided by turks so please stop to claim the heritage of them
cool story bro. do you hear them what they spoke?

Arhat
01-09-2015, 06:35 PM
cool story bro. do you hear them what they spoke?

you just have no arguments like every retarded pan-turanian. We can all see this inferiority complex of pan-turanians because they are just descendants of people who were the slaves of the real tuco-mongolian elite.

gültekin
01-09-2015, 06:36 PM
you just have no arguments like every retarded pan-turanian. We can all see this inferiority complex of pan-turanians because they are just descendants of people who were the slaves of the real tuco-mongolian elite.
do you have arguments, you much more mr. retarded? tell me do you hear what they spoke ha?

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 06:40 PM
Yet the Hungarians have a measly 1% N haplogroup! Nevertheless, it is more than certain that the N haplogroup generated the Uralic languages, because all of the Uralic speakers share a common haplogroup ONLY, the N haplogroup.

In a similar fashion, the Altaic speaking people might be majority R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N, but the only haplogroup present in all of the Altaic speaking countries (from Turkey to Japan) is the C haplogroup... And its' maximum concentration is in Khazakstan, which is pretty close to the place where the Altaic languages were originally spoken...

I'm talking to an idiot.

1. The classification of the Korean and Japanese language is heavily disputed.
2. Haplogroup C is far from being shared/ancestral HG for Altaic-speaking peoples. Even haplogroup Q and R1a sounds more plausible.
3. R1a peaks in Altai people, C doesn't.





All satem Indo-European languages have a common haplogroup: R1a, just as all R1b Indo-European languages have a common haplogroup: R1b.

R1b is not even Indo-European.

Duke
01-09-2015, 06:41 PM
slavs have more to do with scythians than altaic turks because both are at least indoeuropean people but turks were orginally just mongols and they still speak a non-indoeuropean language. The scythians spoke northeastern iranic languages like modern ossetians and they were genocided by turks so please stop to claim the heritage of them

Caucasus people have nothing to do with Scythians, as study shows, they are Slavs, but probably some of the Caucasus people later on joined the horde, and today we can see that they share some similarities with Russians.

Antic Greeks called them speakers of "european type of iranic", however protoslavic language to a greeks would sound iranic, because they are similar

https://faculty.unlv.edu/jmstitt/Eng414A/Graphics/CentumSatemMap.gif

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 06:43 PM
turks were orginally just mongols.
The scythians spoke northeastern iranic languages like modern ossetians and they were genocided by turks

Moron. :picard2:

gültekin
01-09-2015, 06:44 PM
Moron. :picard2:
give him for his Iranianess that ahmedinejad offspring

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 06:50 PM
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/rogday_rosomaha/25180123/131981/131981_900.jpg
That fantasy guy on the right looks like textbook Kiphak btw.

Duke
01-09-2015, 06:50 PM
So turks think they are descendant from people from east Europe and Russians, nice!
Before they all had truly dominating "arian" genes for light hair and eyes, but now that is just superficial way of looking at it...

So what is next?

You are aliens, and shapeshifters

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 06:52 PM
So turks think they are descendant from people from east Europe and Russians, nice!
Before they all had "arian" genes for light hair and eyes, but now that is just superficial way of looking at it...

So what is next?

You are aliens
Well, no.

Duke
01-09-2015, 06:54 PM
Well, no.

well yes, you have just proclaimed slavs as turkic, that is basically what you are saying, except the last part about alien shapeshifters, i am still waiting on that.

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 06:55 PM
Before interacting with Turkic peoples (such as Cumans); classic steppe tactics/weapons such as horse-archery, Parthian shot, composite bow etc were unknown to Slavs. Scythians my ass.

Slavic homeland
http://global.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/477144/Pripet-Marshes

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 06:55 PM
well yes, you have just proclaimed slavs as turkic, that is basically what you are saying, except the last part about alien shapeshifters, i am still waiting on that.
lol what? black is white? and day is night?

gültekin
01-09-2015, 06:56 PM
Well, no.
they hunted still frogs in their marsh during time, if they even exist, what a funny guy...

Arhat
01-09-2015, 06:58 PM
Turks are pure mongolians who are arabic looking aryans and have west asian genes :bored: I wonder why this trolls are not banned yet

Duke
01-09-2015, 07:00 PM
Before interacting with Turkic peoples (such as Cumans); classic steppe tactics/weapons such as horse-archery, composite bows etc were unknown to Slavs.

Slavic homeland
http://global.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/477144/Pripet-Marshes

you know what is problem with that?

Genetic research disproves that theory, and it lacks common sense, since slavs are much more wide spread and numerus than that

As for comment of not knowing to use bow and arrow, i can just laugh at that, tho, we preferred good armor, and old fashioned lance impaling a turk, its much more visceral

gültekin
01-09-2015, 07:01 PM
Turks are pure mongolians who are arabic looking aryans and have west asian genes :bored: I wonder why this trolls are not banned yet
why you do not go back to your Ahmedinejadistan and be rich with your Nikāḥ al-Mutʿah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%E2%80%98ah) you irano-gypo troll?

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 07:03 PM
Turks are pure mongolians who are arabic looking aryans and have west asian genes :bored: I wonder why this trolls are not banned yet
Too bad then that a 24.000 year old guy with the name Mal'ta was a pure Mongolia ancestor of many modern Europeans. Normally people like you are banned. You will not survive in TA if you keep your trollish skills.

Pennywise
01-09-2015, 07:05 PM
Turks are pure mongolians who are arabic looking aryans and have west asian genes :bored: I wonder why this trolls are not banned yet

As far as I see, you're the only Iranian troll scum in here.

Arhat
01-09-2015, 07:06 PM
why you do not go back to your Ahmedinejadistan and be rich with your Nikāḥ al-Mutʿah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%E2%80%98ah) you irano-gypo troll?

haha i am neither iranian nor persian and i am just amazed to see how people which ancestors were 100 years ago ordinary kurds, armenians or greeks, think now they are pure mongolians and also pure aryans. You are just wannabe turks and a bunch of people with a stockholm syndrom.

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 07:07 PM
well yes, you have just proclaimed slavs as turkic, that is basically what you are saying, except the last part about alien shapeshifters, i am still waiting on that.
So bananas are shapeshifting apples in reality? now I... understand... :rolleyes:

Duke
01-09-2015, 07:09 PM
So bananas are shapeshifting apples in reality? now I... understand... :rolleyes:

when you speak, anything is possible, even bananas who are actually shapeshifitin apples

gültekin
01-09-2015, 07:09 PM
http://www.sikhnet.com/files/news/2011/2-February/Lt%20General%20Jagjit%20Singh%20Aurora.jpg

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 07:14 PM
when you speak, anything is possible, even bananas who are actually shapeshifitin apples
Oh, I was just reflecting your words.

Pennywise
01-09-2015, 07:15 PM
you know what is problem with that?

Genetic research disproves that theory, and it lacks common sense, since slavs are much more wide spread and numerus than that

As for comment of not knowing to use bow and arrow, i can just laugh at that, tho, we preferred good armor, and old fashioned lance impaling a turk, its much more visceral

lol, wtf is going on here. slavic-scythian relation theory (it's not even a theory anymore) is even weaker than turkic one. no one mentioned it since last 100 years. you're truely idiot that trying to show himself as a scythian descented.

Duke
01-09-2015, 07:16 PM
These turks are retarded to the core

http://culture.karelia.ru/files/photo/p_file_big/569.jpg
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CS%5CK%5CSkhilouros%20from%20Neapolis_Reconst ruction.jpg
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CS%5CA%5CSarmatian%20warriors%20%28reconstruc tion%29.jpg

to think thise people are one in the same as these

http://i48.tinypic.com/2cz4nwz.jpg

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 07:18 PM
These turks are retarded to the core

http://culture.karelia.ru/files/photo/p_file_big/569.jpg
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CS%5CK%5CSkhilouros%20from%20Neapolis_Reconst ruction.jpg
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CS%5CA%5CSarmatian%20warriors%20%28reconstruc tion%29.jpg

to think thise people are one in the same as these

http://i48.tinypic.com/2cz4nwz.jpg
Did you know I hate cherry picking?

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 07:18 PM
you know what is problem with that?

Genetic research disproves that theory, and it lacks common sense, since slavs are much more wide spread and numerus than that

As for comment of not knowing to use bow and arrow, i can just laugh at that, tho, we preferred good armor, and old fashioned lance impaling a turk, its much more visceral

Genetic researches also disprove the theory of Slavs being Scythian.

Bow was one of the main weapons used by steppe peoples, it's normal for marsh-folks (Slavs) to underestimate the powerful combination of bow & horse.

Arhat
01-09-2015, 07:20 PM
These turks are retarded to the core

http://culture.karelia.ru/files/photo/p_file_big/569.jpg
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CS%5CK%5CSkhilouros%20from%20Neapolis_Reconst ruction.jpg
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CS%5CA%5CSarmatian%20warriors%20%28reconstruc tion%29.jpg

to think thise people are one in the same as these

http://i48.tinypic.com/2cz4nwz.jpg

they are losers who have nothing to be proud of so they create their own fantasy world, where mongolians and scythians are the same. It is hopeless to discuss with them

Duke
01-09-2015, 07:21 PM
Did you know I hate cherry picking?

thats gokturk, fucking cherry piciking, yea

Arhat
01-09-2015, 07:22 PM
Genetic researches also disprove the theory of Slavs being Scythian.

Bow was one of the main weapons used by steppe peoples for thousands of years, it's normal for marsh-folks (Slavs) to underestimate the powerful combination of bow & horse.

slavs are not direct descendants of scythians but they are indoeuropeans and have much indoeuropean blood so they are indeed related to scythians unlike mongolians and wannabe turks of anatolia

Alphawolf
01-09-2015, 07:24 PM
These turks are retarded to the core

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CS%5CK%5CSkhilouros%20from%20Neapolis_Reconst ruction.jpg


He looks like this Turk.

http://i.imgur.com/CoFxfxS.jpg

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 07:27 PM
thats gokturk, fucking cherry piciking, yea
yea

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=42849&d=1388851352

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 07:29 PM
haha i am neither iranian nor persian and i am just amazed to see how people which ancestors were 100 years ago ordinary kurds, armenians or greeks, think now they are pure mongolians and also pure aryans. You are just wannabe turks and a bunch of people with a stockholm syndrom.

It's difficult to find a Turk without East Asian/Siberian admixture, which is absent in ordinary Greeks & Armenians. You can't even know the difference between a Turk and a Mongol you moron.

Insuperable
01-09-2015, 07:29 PM
Did you know I hate cherry picking?

http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/imagecache/Node_Page/images/1310564987331.jpg

Duke
01-09-2015, 07:32 PM
slavs are not direct descendants of scythians but they are indoeuropeans and have much indoeuropean blood so they are indeed related to scythians unlike mongolians and wannabe turks of anatolia

Genetic has shown scythians are eastern europeans, i.e. Slavs

We Croats were called sarmatian in the begining by the Romans, its just old name for Slavs

scythian mummy
http://newobserveronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sythian-mummy01.jpg

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 07:32 PM
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/HomerFacePalm.jpg

Iranian people's heritage and history keep getting plagurized and stolen by pan-turanists much like afrocentrics steal Egypt from the real Egyptians. Have you ever seen an Ossetian, Pashtun, Pamiri, Yaghnobi, and other eastern iranian people? Turkic people have NOTHING do to with the ancient iranian people in central, south and west asia, and anyone who believe that the Saka, Sarmatian, Scythian and other nomadic Aryans(Indo-Iranians) were somehow Turkic turnaid really needs a smack on the head really hard.
Ossetians:
http://thefamilywithoutborders.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-08-16_georgia-refugees-camp/04_Georgia_Refugee_Camp.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Refugees_from_south_ossetia-alagir.jpg
http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/128449/three_graces.jpg

In a study conducted in 2014 by VV Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 12 Alanic burials on the Don River, 6 samples turned out belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 samples belonging to mtDNA I. This is a strong argument for direct Alan ancestry of Ossetians and against the hypothesis that Ossetians are alanized Caucasic Speakers, since the major Haplogroup among Ossetians is G2*
https://www.academia.edu/7061155/%D0%90%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%B5%D 0%B2_%D0%93.%D0%95._%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE %D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_% D0%9C.%D0%92._%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE %D0%B2_%D0%94.%D0%A1._%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%88%D0%B5%D1% 82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%98.%D0%9A._%D0%9E_%D0%BA% D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0 %B9_%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0% BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE %D0%B9_%D0%B8_%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8 %D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BF% D0%B5%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D 0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0 %B0%D0%BD_%D0%95.%D0%98._%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF% D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B8_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2% D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B5%D 0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0 %B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%9A%D0% B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0._%D0%9C._2014._%D 0%A1._312-315

Pan-Turanism, like any other ethnocentric groups, is a myth based on lies and hate. Iranian peoples had nothing to do with Turkic peoples, and really, its the Iranians were the ones who had greatly influenced Turkic peoples in their culture and etc rather than vice versa. The Seljuk Turks were heavily persianied in their literature, culture, architecture and etc.

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 07:33 PM
http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/imagecache/Node_Page/images/1310564987331.jpg

embrace the Mongol cowboy in you

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/228/451323682_7b44a9705d_b.jpg

Arhat
01-09-2015, 07:36 PM
It's difficult to find a Turk without East Asian/Siberian admixture, which is absent in ordinary Greeks & Armenians. You can't even know the difference between a Turk and a Mongol you moron.

anatolian turks are genetically closer to kurds, armenians and anatolian greeks than to other turks. The only difference is that turks have few percentage more east asian admixture but is is very low and some turks have no. You are of course still turks because you speak a altaic language and identify as such but genetically you have not much to do with real turks. It is just funny to see that the most annoying pan-turanians are always the turks who have the lowest percentages of east asian blood. Real turks like kazakh dont care about pan-turanism

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 07:38 PM
anatolian turks are genetically closer to kurds, armenians and anatolian greeks than to other turks. The only difference is that turks have few percentage more east asian admixture but is is very low and some turks have no. You are of course still turks because you speak a altaic language and identify as such but genetically you have not much to do with real turks. It is just funny to see that the most annoying pan-turanians are always the turks who have the lowest percentages of east asian blood. Real turks like kazakh dont care about pan-turanism
Anatolian Turks: 28% Turkic
Armenians: 42% Turkic
Kurds: very close to Turkic like Armenian

Pennywise
01-09-2015, 07:39 PM
Iranian people's heritage and history keep getting plagurized and stolen by pan-turanists much like afrocentrics steal Egypt from the real Egyptians. Have you ever seen an Ossetian, Pashtun, Pamiri, Yaghnobi, and other eastern iranian people? Turkic people have NOTHING do to with the ancient iranian people in central, south and west asia, and anyone who believe that the Saka, Sarmatian, Scythian and other nomadic Aryans(Indo-Iranians) were somehow Turkic turnaid really needs a smack on the head really hard.
Ossetians:
In a study conducted in 2014 by VV Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 12 Alanic burials on the Don River, 6 samples turned out belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 samples belonging to mtDNA I. This is a strong argument for direct Alan ancestry of Ossetians and against the hypothesis that Ossetians are alanized Caucasic Speakers, since the major Haplogroup among Ossetians is G2*
https://www.academia.edu/7061155/%D0%90%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%B5%D 0%B2_%D0%93.%D0%95._%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE %D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_% D0%9C.%D0%92._%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE %D0%B2_%D0%94.%D0%A1._%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%88%D0%B5%D1% 82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%98.%D0%9A._%D0%9E_%D0%BA% D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0 %B9_%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0% BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE %D0%B9_%D0%B8_%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8 %D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BF% D0%B5%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D 0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0 %B0%D0%BD_%D0%95.%D0%98._%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF% D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B8_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2% D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B5%D 0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0 %B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%9A%D0% B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0._%D0%9C._2014._%D 0%A1._312-315

Pan-Turanism, like any other ethnocentric groups, is a myth based on lies and hate. Iranian peoples had nothing to do with Turkic peoples, and really, its the Iranians were the ones who had greatly influenced Turkic peoples in their culture and etc rather than vice versa. The Seljuk Turks were heavily persianied in their literature, culture, architecture and etc.

before you open your mouth; first, learn the meaning of pan-turkism, turanism.

Duke
01-09-2015, 07:40 PM
Acording to turks, this are gokturk to the core
http://ukrmap.su/program2009/uh7/7_03/165.jpg

Recostruction of scythian vase etching

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 07:40 PM
Acording to turks, this are gokturk to the core
http://ukrmap.su/program2009/uh7/7_03/165.jpg

Recostruction of scythian vase etching

Genetic has shown scythians are eastern europeans, i.e. Slavs

We Croats were called sarmatian in the begining by the Romans, its just old name for Slavs

scythian mummy
http://newobserveronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sythian-mummy01.jpg
lol, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Genetics

Duke
01-09-2015, 07:43 PM
lol, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Genetics

the remains tested were from siberia, not scythia proper, i.e ukarine
Study have shown male ancestors were East europeans, while some of their fathers took siberian wives.

Migration, west towards east

Pennywise
01-09-2015, 07:46 PM
lol, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Genetics

the imbecile has no anthropolocigal knowledge and showing us some symbolic sculptures and drawings. do not argue with that mal. :)

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 07:46 PM
yet another, "Golden Woman" Scythian princess found in Kazahstan Terekti
description on the comb shows a war between Scythians and Iranians. so that's a big evidence, Scythians can't be fucking iranians
http://onturk.org/2014/08/20/altin-giysili-kadin/#more-4639
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/2287.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/2379.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1

http://vimeo.com/109364371

-__- So let me get this straight, because the scythian woman was found in Kazakhstan makes her turkic Turanid? I dont deny that there are some Turanid scythians in western mongolia and some parts in north-central asia, but most Scythians were racially CAUCASIAN, and ethnically speaking they are Iranian people closely related to other eastern iranian peoples like Pashtuns, Kawarizimy, Pamiris, Yaghnob, Bactrians and etc. Turkic peoples were still in the Altay mountains in mongolia when the Iranian peoples were living across Asia. Turkish people are genetically MUCH closer to other west asians rather than to Kazakhs, Bashkirians, Uzbeks and other Turkic peoples.

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 07:48 PM
Turkic people have NOTHING do to with the ancient iranian people in central, south and west asia, and anyone who believe that the Saka, Sarmatian, Scythian and other nomadic Aryans(Indo-Iranians) were somehow Turkic turnaid really needs a smack on the head really hard.

Sakas (Massagetae) were called Turanian (an Iranic term) by Iranians, not by Turanists you idiot. :laugh: Scythians were Indo-European speaking (still disputed though), but later absorbed into the culture and identity of incoming Turkic tribes. What we are saying is Central Asian Turks are genetically & culturally more related to Saka/Scythian/Massagetae than modern Iranians or Slavs are.





Pan-Turanism, like any other ethnocentric groups, is a myth based on lies and hate. Iranian peoples had nothing to do with Turkic peoples, and really, its the Iranians were the ones who had greatly influenced Turkic peoples in their culture and etc rather than vice versa. The Seljuk Turks were heavily persianied in their literature, culture, architecture and etc.

Do you even know what we are talking about? What the fuck does Pan-Turanism have to do with this? Why do you repeat that word like a fucking parrot?

Duke
01-09-2015, 07:48 PM
the imbecile has no anthropolocigal knowledge and showing us some symbolic sculptures and drawings. do not argue with that mal. :)

you are so retarded, you didnt even read

Ancient Y-DNA data was finally provided by Keyser et al in 2009. They studied the haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area in Siberia were dated from between the middle of the 2nd millennium BC and the 4th century AD (Scythian and Sarmatian timeframe). Nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R-M17. The authors suggest that their data shows that between Bronze and Iron Ages the constellation of populations known variously as Scythians, Andronovians, etc. were blue- (or green-) eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people who might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization. Moreover, this study found that they were genetically more closely related to modern populations of eastern Europe than those of central and southern Asia.[38] The ubiquity and utter dominance of R1a Y-DNA lineage contrasts markedly with the diversity seen in the mtDNA profiles.

In other words, eastern euros, and some of them had asian like mother line

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 07:49 PM
Acording to turks, this are gokturk to the core
http://ukrmap.su/program2009/uh7/7_03/165.jpg

Recostruction of scythian vase etching

They are for sure not Slav either.

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 07:49 PM
the remains tested were from siberia, not scythia proper, i.e ukarine
Study have shown male ancestors were East europeans, while some of their fathers took siberian wives.

Migration, west towards east

You mean that Rostov Scythian remains which cluster close to Iranian Shugnans and Turkic Tatars and various other Turkic and Ugric tribes´?

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 07:50 PM
Gilgamesh is one buttlicking fat ugly Semite

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 07:51 PM
before you open your mouth; first, learn the meaning of pan-turkism, turanism.

Oh, i know pan-turanism my dear freind, and even my Kyrgyz aunt-in-law even told me that's its complete nonsense, and most central asian Turkic peoples dont believe in that myth. She also said that she suffered discrimination in Turkey because she didnt look like Turkish people in Istanbul.
Here she is with my maternal uncle:
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/IMG_0399.jpg

Arhat
01-09-2015, 07:52 PM
Sakas (Massagetae) were called Turanian (an Iranic term) by Iranians, not by Turanists you idiot. :laugh: Scythians were Indo-European speaking (still disputed though), but later absorbed into the culture and identity of incoming Turkic tribes. What we are saying is Central Asian Turks are genetically & culturally more related to Saka/Scythian/Massagetae than modern Iranians or Slavs are.





Do you even know what we are talking about? What the fuck does Pan-Turanism have to do with this? Why do you repeat that word like a fucking parrot?

turks genocided most scythians and exterminated most of them so stop to link them with mongols. Or do you think hitler should claim that moses was a german because germans exterminated almost all jews????

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 07:53 PM
Gilgamesh is one buttlicking fat ugly Semite

Bite me. All i was saying that iranian people arent Turkic, and i provide with genetic studies to back my claims. Turanism is no different from Euro or Afrocentrisim when they steal the civilizations and heritages from other peoples/races. If your proud of your Turkic roots then its fine, but dont take away the iranian people's their culture and heritage away from them.

Ice
01-09-2015, 07:54 PM
When i sent my raw dna to Mcdonald he told me this: Turkish, but apparently mixed; premixed Central Asian.

I think after caucasian people, turks have absorbed most sycthian blood, more than iranians. I'm not sure though.

Duke
01-09-2015, 07:56 PM
They are for sure not Slav either.

yes they are gokturk LOL

Insuperable
01-09-2015, 07:58 PM
Bite me. All i was saying that iranian people arent Turkic, and i provide with genetic studies to back my claims. Turanism is no different from Euro or Afrocentrisim when they steal the civilizations and heritages from other peoples/races. If your proud of your Turkic roots then its fine, but dont take away the iranian people's their culture and heritage away from them.

Only Eurocentrism makes sense.

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 07:59 PM
she suffered discrimination in Turkey because she didnt look like Turkish people in Istanbul.


This is the most ridiculous thing i've ever read on this forum. Suffered discrimination because she didn't look like Turks in Istanbul. :laugh2: Istanbul is full of East Asian tourists and only thing they get from Turks because of their looks is sympathy.

Pennywise
01-09-2015, 07:59 PM
Oh, i know pan-turanism my dear freind, and even my Kyrgyz aunt-in-law even told me that's its complete nonsense, and most central asian Turkic peoples dont believe in that myth. She also said that she suffered discrimination in Turkey because she didnt look like Turkish people in Istanbul.
Here she is with my maternal uncle:
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/IMG_0399.jpg

so, your supposedly kyrgyz aunt is authority of decide to what is pan-turanism or not? :rolleyes: what the fuck does 20th century's political ideologly has to do with scythian ethnogenesis?

Arhat
01-09-2015, 08:00 PM
When i sent my raw dna to Mcdonald he told me this: Turkish, but apparently mixed; premixed Central Asian.

I think after caucasian people, turks have absorbed most sycthian blood, more than iranians. I'm not sure though.

anatolian turks have almost zero scythian blood. Central asian turks have a bit scythian blood but much less than pashtuns and other eastern iranic people who survived the turco-mongolian invasion

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 08:01 PM
Bite me. All i was saying that iranian people arent Turkic, and i provide with genetic studies to back my claims. Turanism is no different from Euro or Afrocentrisim when they steal the civilizations and heritages from other peoples/races. If your proud of your Turkic roots then its fine, but dont take away the iranian people's their culture and heritage away from them.

My fat, buttlicking ugly Semite friend, read my post again. --> http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?154560-Scytho-Turkic-Z93-branch-Z2125-vs-Indo-Aryan-migration-theory&p=3294323&viewfull=1#post3294323


Sakas (Massagetae) were called Turanian (an Iranic term) by Iranians, not by Turanists you idiot. Scythians were Indo-European speaking (still disputed though), but later absorbed into the culture and identity of incoming Turkic tribes. What we are saying is Central Asian Turks are genetically & culturally more related to Saka/Scythian/Massagetae than modern Iranians or Slavs are.

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 08:05 PM
yes they are gokturk LOL
no, but Turanid.

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 08:06 PM
This is the most ridiculous thing i've ever read on this forum. Suffered discrimination because she didn't look like Turks in Istanbul. :laugh2: Istanbul is full of East Asian tourists and only thing they get from Turks because of their looks is sympathy.

She wasn't a tourist, and she was a student there for 6 years there. She met my uncle there when he was studying civil engineering in Istanbul, and yeah she did. Why do you think Turkey is so obsessed to join the EU?

Ice
01-09-2015, 08:07 PM
anatolian turks have almost zero scythian blood. Central asian turks have a bit scythian blood but much less than pashtuns and other eastern iranic people who survived the turco-mongolian invasion

My FF results:

http://i.imgur.com/dirovcl.jpg

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 08:08 PM
no, but Turanian.

Saka tribes of Transoxania/Central Asia were called "Turanian" by Iranians. They don't even know that "Turanian" is an Iranic term for Sakae/Scythian tribes of Central Asia.

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 08:09 PM
My fat, buttlicking ugly Semite friend, read my post again. --> http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?154560-Scytho-Turkic-Z93-branch-Z2125-vs-Indo-Aryan-migration-theory&p=3294323&viewfull=1#post3294323

I also heard that blacks claim that Egypt is called Kemet which means black land, so it means that Egyptians were originally black right? Oh, and cannanites, greeks, persians, phoenicians, sumerians and etc were Turkic as well *sarcasm*. Scythians, Sarmatians, Bactrians, Sogdians and etc werent Turkic, and they are ethnically Aryans, deal with it.

Arhat
01-09-2015, 08:09 PM
My FF results:

http://i.imgur.com/dirovcl.jpg

you have no scythian blood. scythians even didnt lived in antolia. Maybe you have slavic blood because many slavs were enslaved by turkic hordes and selled in various slave markets of anatolia.

Pennywise
01-09-2015, 08:10 PM
I also heard that blacks claim that Egypt is called Kemet which means black land, so it means that Egyptians were originally black right? Oh, and cannanites, greeks, persians, phoenicians, sumerians and etc were Turkic as well *sarcasm*. Scythians, Sarmatians, Bactrians, Sogdians and etc werent Turkic, and they are ethnically Aryans, deal with it.

you have no hope light. :picard1:

Proto-Shaman
01-09-2015, 08:10 PM
Saka tribes of Transoxania/Central Asia were called "Turanian" by Iranians. They don't even know that "Turanian" is an Iranic term for Sakae/Scythian tribes of Central Asia.

well, i meant the anthropological point of view.

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 08:11 PM
so, your supposedly kyrgyz aunt is authority of decide to what is pan-turanism or not? :rolleyes: what the fuck does 20th century's political ideologly has to do with scythian ethnogenesis?

Well, she is living in Krgyzstan with my uncle, and she told me that most people there dont believe in that nonsense, and they see Turks like any other foreign people. Go there and see for yourself if you dont believe me. And btw, who gave you the right to take other people's culture and heritage away from them? You want to be a proud mongol then its fine with me, but dont try to Turanize every civilization you see please.

Duke
01-09-2015, 08:12 PM
anatolian turks have almost zero scythian blood. Central asian turks have a bit scythian blood but much less than pashtuns and other eastern iranic people who survived the turco-mongolian invasion


Pashtuns do have R1a true, and portion of their male line can still be shown
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/w7WMRMQ_kjU/maxresdefault.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uZBZVEE0NTE/Uw70_4-EcWI/AAAAAAAAALI/V0C75P5Z-vU/s1600/21045351843045864651500.jpg
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3053/3006997505_859faecb04_m.jpg
http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w558/azef8/5094658112_2d59120d84_b_zps7f6c0874.jpg

Casandrinos
01-09-2015, 08:12 PM
Gilgamesh is one buttlicking fat ugly Semite

Be careful of the words you say to my Levantine brother you fatface semi-sleepy Turanoid subanimal. xD

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 08:12 PM
you have no hope light. :picard1:

And your no different from the Afrocentric morons in this forum either.

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 08:13 PM
She wasn't a tourist, and she was a student there for 6 years there. She met my uncle there when he was studying civil engineering in Istanbul, and yeah she did. Why do you think Turkey is so obsessed to join the EU?
Why? Wait, because we are wannabe Europeans right? We even base our entire foreign policy on this. You are seriously a moron.

Ice
01-09-2015, 08:13 PM
you have no scythian blood. scythians even didnt lived in antolia. Maybe you have slavic blood because many slavs were enslaved by turkic hordes and selled in various slave markets of anatolia.

Do you know anything about genetics?

My east asian percentage is almost same as my central asian one. I didn't get it from slavs or gypsies (both aryans).

Insuperable
01-09-2015, 08:14 PM
My FF results:

http://i.imgur.com/dirovcl.jpg

That is almost Gypsy.

Pennywise
01-09-2015, 08:16 PM
Well, she is living in Krgyzstan with my uncle, and she told me that most people there dont believe in that nonsense, and they see Turks like any other foreign people. Go there and see for yourself if you dont believe me. And btw, who gave you the right to take other people's culture and heritage away from them? You want to be a proud mongol then its fine with me, but dont try to Turanize every civilization you see please.

dude, first you have to stop saying same things again and again. no one fucking care what your aunt or uncle think about turanism. I'am not even turanist and never mentioned anything central asian peoples' views of turanism. you making me cancer. why don't try to answer my questions?

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 08:18 PM
Why? Wait, because we are wannabe Europeans right? We even base our entire foreign policy on this. You are seriously a moron.

I talked with many Turks in other forums, and many do display this OWD mentality as well so im not shocked or surprised that she was discriminated against there. Persians arent the only ones who are one of the most OWD in the middle east.

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 08:20 PM
dude, first you have to stop saying same things again and again. no one fucking care what your aunt or uncle think about turanism. I'am not even turanist and never mentioned anything central asian peoples' views of turanism. you making me cancer. why don't try to answer my questions?

Your question about the Scythians? Well, Turanists like to claim the Scythians, Sarmatians and other Iranian peoples as their own to elevate themselves above other people, and makes them superior people to other races. Turanism isnt any different from Afrocentrism which is an idealogy based on black supremacy and etc, and claiming that every civilization on the planet, esp Egypt and NA, as blacks.

Ice
01-09-2015, 08:20 PM
That is almost Gypsy.

I don't have single gypsy match. None of my relatives have hg H either.

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 08:23 PM
I don't have single gypsy match. None of my relatives have hg H either.

Post your new MyOrigins results, that old FF results look too weird to be taken seriously.

Duke
01-09-2015, 08:23 PM
north slavs are real scythians, we south slavs are unfortunately mixed with balkan wog, but still share ancestry with our northen cousins

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TNLyVNbffHI/AAAAAAAAC0E/vsEQYTTobHQ/s1600/Ystrclusters.png

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg311/beebybooks/maps/IMG_3831.jpg

Ice
01-09-2015, 08:24 PM
Post your new MyOrigins results, that old FF results look too weird to be taken seriously.

Okay

http://i.imgur.com/2Zq8TT7.jpg

KawaiiKawaii
01-09-2015, 08:25 PM
Neither Slavs, nor Turkics are Scythians. Scythians are dead, let them rest in peace. Thank you.

Duke
01-09-2015, 08:26 PM
Slavs, nor Turkic are Scythians. Scythians are dead, let them rest in peace.

Name Slavonic appeared much later in history, it just substituted sarmatian/scythian

KawaiiKawaii
01-09-2015, 08:31 PM
Name Slavonic appeared much later in history, it just substituted sarmatian/scythian

Slavs speak various Slavic languages. Scythians spoke an Iranic language. Turkics speak Turkic languages.

gültekin
01-09-2015, 08:34 PM
Slavs speak various Slavic languages. Scythians spoke an Iranic language. Turkics speak Turkic languages.
jet another time traveler, any selfie and youtube video with them, would you share?

Duke
01-09-2015, 08:34 PM
Slavs speak various Slavic languages. Scythians spoke an Iranic language. Turkics speak Turkic languages.

you are wrong

Antic greeks who wrote history back then, said that Scythians speak European type of Iranic, but, they clearly spoke proto slavic, which is sounding similar to iranic to a greek ear

https://faculty.unlv.edu/jmstitt/Eng414A/Graphics/CentumSatemMap.gif

Scythians lived in slavic countries, what was scythian/sarmatian, became Slavic around 1000 AD

http://altelandkarten.de/images/24010-01.jpg

Alphawolf
01-09-2015, 08:39 PM
you are wrong

Antic greeks who wrote history back then, said that Scythians speak European type of Iranic, but, they clearly spoke proto slavic, which is sounding similar to iranic to a greek ear

https://faculty.unlv.edu/jmstitt/Eng414A/Graphics/CentumSatemMap.gif

How could Herodotus have the linguistic knowledge to recognize the Scythians as Indo-European speakers. ?

Danishmend
01-09-2015, 08:39 PM
Neither Slavs, nor Turkics are Scythians. Scythians are dead, let them rest in peace. Thank you.

I agree. No one says Scythians were Turkic or Slavic, Slav members think Slavs have more Scythian blood, and I say Central Asians. It was Gilgamesh the moron who dragged "Turanism" into this. He is like a fucking parrot.

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 08:39 PM
How come Ossetes speak Iranic language and are descendants of Scytho-Sarmatian Alans and indigenous Caucasic people?

KawaiiKawaii
01-09-2015, 08:40 PM
jet another time traveler, any selfie and youtube video with them, would you share?

No selfie, but I have a YouTube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOvZHFvOxnU

Ossetian (Digor dialect), which is the descendant of Scythian.

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 08:41 PM
I agree. No one says Scythians were Turkic or Slavic, Slav members think Slavs have more Scythian blood, and I say Central Asians. It was Gilgamesh the moron who dragged "Turanism" into this. He is like a fucking parrot.

Hakan what's his name does claim Scytho-Sarmatians were Turkic. I think there was such a theory supported by some scholars generations ago.

Duke
01-09-2015, 08:41 PM
How could Herodotus have the linguistic knowledge to recognize the Scythians as Indo-European speakers. ?

He didnt, he just said they speak euro version of Iranic, he clearly was knowlable how Persian sounds.
My specualtion is that protoslavic reminded him on Persian by sound.

They were Indoerupeans, because genetic show it, and indo-europeans have mixed with asians in asia, but Scythia/Saramtia term from Greeks/Romans comes from Europe.
Romans considered everything east of Germany and north of Dacia as Scythians/Sarmatians, they are Slavs

Ice
01-09-2015, 08:43 PM
How come Ossetes speak Iranic language and are descendants of Scytho-Sarmatian Alans and indigenous Caucasic people?



Ossets are persianized native caucasians. That's why G is the most dominant hg. Their Turkic neighbours, Karachays have much more r1a than ossets.

gültekin
01-09-2015, 08:45 PM
No selfie, but I have a YouTube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOvZHFvOxnU

Ossetian (Digor dialect), which is the descendant of Scythian.
hahahaha that's just Honga-Kaft and singing about Nart's. nice song,
try againe, i'm curious about your selfies mr. time traveler :)

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 08:48 PM
How come Ossetes speak Iranic language and are descendants of Scytho-Sarmatian Alans and indigenous Caucasic people?

Thats what i keep telling them. God, they are just as annoying as these Afrocentric idiots on Youtube.

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 08:50 PM
Ossets are persianized native caucasians. That's why G is the most dominant hg. Their Turkic neighbours, Karachays have much more r1a than ossets.

persianized native caucasians? are you kidding me? the ossetians maternally are genetically linked with their ancestors, and R1a is a west eurasian haplogroup not eastern.

In a study conducted in 2014 by VV Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 12 Alanic burials on the Don River, 6 samples turned out belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 samples belonging to mtDNA I. This is a strong argument for direct Alan ancestry of Ossetians and against the hypothesis that Ossetians are alanized Caucasic Speakers, since the major Haplogroup among Ossetians is G2
https://www.academia.edu/7061155/%D0%90%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%B5%D 0%B2_%D0%93.%D0%95._%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE %D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_% D0%9C.%D0%92._%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE %D0%B2_%D0%94.%D0%A1._%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%88%D0%B5%D1% 82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%98.%D0%9A._%D0%9E_%D0%BA% D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0 %B9_%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0% BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE %D0%B9_%D0%B8_%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8 %D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BF% D0%B5%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D 0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0 %B0%D0%BD_%D0%95.%D0%98._%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF% D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B8_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2% D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B5%D 0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0 %B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%9A%D0% B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0._%D0%9C._2014._%D 0%A1._312-315

Duke
01-09-2015, 08:52 PM
No selfie, but I have a YouTube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOvZHFvOxnU

Ossetian (Digor dialect), which is the descendant of Scythian.


I have posted link that proves that ossetians have nothing to do with scythians, its a myth.

Sythians in eastern parts(asia) had male East euro ancestry, and some were mixed with asians, but they are not Ossetians.

Ossetians are Caucasus people, scythians were large group that spread from germania all the way to asia, same like slavs today

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 08:54 PM
I agree. No one says Scythians were Turkic or Slavic, Slav members think Slavs have more Scythian blood, and I say Central Asians. It was Gilgamesh the moron who dragged "Turanism" into this. He is like a fucking parrot.

I was talking about Turanians who keep claiming that the Scythians, Sarmatians, Parthians and etc were Turkic, and linguists confirm that they are a iranic people. Scythians were long gone before the Slavs settled in what is now Russia, Ukraine and etc, and genetically, all slavic peoples, with the exception of southern slavs, are genetically close to one another.

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 08:56 PM
Ossetian is East Iranic language as well and not in the same Iranic subgroup as Persian. Well for sure they must be in part Caucasic people too, as must have been the Alans too, even though not at first.

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 08:59 PM
Ossetian is East Iranic language as well and not in the same Iranic subgroup as Persian. Well for sure they must be in part Caucasic people too, as must have been the Alans too, even though not at first.

"The Y-haplogroup data indicate that North Ossetians are more similar to other North Caucasian groups, and South Ossetians are more similar to other South Caucasian groups, than to each other. Also, with respect to mtDNA, Ossetians are significantly more similar to Iranian groups than to Caucasian groups. It is thus suggested that there is a common origin of Ossetians from Iran, followed by subsequent male-mediated migrations from their Caucasian neighbours"
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1529-8817.2004.00131.x/abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15598217

Ossetians are a mixture between a Caucasian father and an Iranic(Alan) mother. So much for them in being Turkic or any of that nonsense.

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:00 PM
I was talking about Turanians who keep claiming that the Scythians, Sarmatians, Parthians and etc were Turkic, and linguists confirm that they are a iranic people. Scythians were long gone before the Slavs settled in what is now Russia, Ukraine and etc, and genetically, all slavic peoples, with the exception of southern slavs, are genetically close to one another.

In Coon's chapter on Scytho-Sarmatians he does mention the existence of one theory that they spoke Turkic and were Europo-Mongoloid mix or Mongoloids, but he dismises this idea. He also says Ossetes are mix of Alans and native Caucasians.

KawaiiKawaii
01-09-2015, 09:00 PM
I have posted link that proves that ossetians have nothing to do with scythians, its a myth.

Sythians in eastern parts(asia) had male East euro ancestry, and some were mixed with asians, but they are not Ossetians.

Ossetians are Caucasus people, scythians were large group that spread from germania all the way to asia, same like slavs today

They have everything to do with them: they speak a language that is a descendant of Scythian.

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:04 PM
"The Y-haplogroup data indicate that North Ossetians are more similar to other North Caucasian groups, and South Ossetians are more similar to other South Caucasian groups, than to each other. Also, with respect to mtDNA, Ossetians are significantly more similar to Iranian groups than to Caucasian groups. It is thus suggested that there is a common origin of Ossetians from Iran, followed by subsequent male-mediated migrations from their Caucasian neighbours"
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1529-8817.2004.00131.x/abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15598217

Ossetians are a mixture between a Caucasian father and an Iranic(Alan) mother. So much for them in being Turkic or any of that nonsense.
Hm, this seems fishy or very surprising anyway. Why the mother Alan? Weren't they the rulling or dominant tribe in the region and a warrior people? Also why Iran? Iranics originate in northern Central Asia, from where they also spread to Iran and Eastern Europe and the North Caucasus or so it is usually believed. Iranians in Iran have proto-Iranic admixture which was European, but are more West Asian/Middle Eastern by blood.

Duke
01-09-2015, 09:05 PM
Ossetian is East Iranic language as well and not in the same Iranic subgroup as Persian. Well for sure they must be in part Caucasic people too, as must have been the Alans too, even though not at first.

Alans maybehave been in south poland, and there is no genetic link with ossetians

This is reallity

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2012/11/scythian-skeletons.html


It's a warriors' tomb, but we now know it says more about culture than conquest. It contains ancient Scythian skeletons discovered in the Altai mountains of Mongolia in 2005, and their DNA is part of the first hard evidence of genetic blending between Europe and Asia.

Researchers at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, Spain, extracted mitochondrial DNA from the bones and teeth of skeletons found in the mountains. Bronze-Age skeletons, dating from the seventh to the 10th century BC, showed no sign of mixed lineages: those from the western side of the mountain range were European, and those from the eastern side were Asian. However, come the Iron Age - seventh to second centuries BC - and the coming of the Scythian culture, and the skeletons display a neat 50-50 blend of lineages.

The Scythians were already known to be the first large Eurasian culture, but were believed to be the product of migration from Europe. The researchers now suggest that the genetic blending is actually a result of the expansion of Scythian culture over the mountains.

That culture was based on nomadic pasturing and horse breeding - as you may have guessed from the presence of a horse alongside humans in this tomb.

Scythians weren't confirmed to exist in east Asia before this tomb and others were found in 2005 in the Altai mountains, where Russia, China, Mongolia and Kazakhstan share borders. In ancient times the mountain range prevented cultural and genetic blending, dividing the Asian and European populations until the Scythian culture expanded from the west.

tl:dr
Most eastern fringe part of Scythia is where Russian like people mixed with Mongol like people after Iron age

Arhat
01-09-2015, 09:08 PM
They have everything to do with them: they speak a language that is a descendant of Scythian.

the scythians and sarmatians of europe spoke northeastern iranic languages and ossetian is the descendant of one of them. So they are scythian /sarmatian regardless of their genes. But the saka of khotan and central asia spoke spoke southeastern iranic languages and they left many buddhist manuscripts. Their language is more related to modern sarikoli, , wakhi, pashto and other southeastern iranic languages. None of their languages had turkic infuences and only very late turks migrated from mongolia to western central asia and displaced the native iranic population there

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 09:08 PM
Hm, this seems fishy or very surprising anyway. Why the mother Alan? Weren't they the rulling or dominant tribe in the region and a warrior people? Also why Iran? Iranics originate in northern Central Asia, from where they also spread to Iran and Eastern Europe and the North Caucasus or so it is usually believed. Iranians in Iran have proto-Iranic admixture which was European, but are more West Asian/Middle Eastern by blood.

Well, the Alans suffered a lot by the hand of the tatar barbarians, and many of their men died fighting for their people while many women were left behind. There is an cultural myth about the origins of the ossetian people on how an Alanic mother(forgot her name) rescued many children from the hand of the mongols. It makes sense that they would start mixing with caucasian males to keep their people alive.

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:11 PM
Not sure what your point was Duke. The Ossetes are not pure Scythians or Sarmatians, but a mix of that and native Caucasians. Their language is Iranic and they were once known as Alans. Their history in the region is well documented. They are a Sarmatian tribe basically. I think they look between Caucasics and Slavs and a bit like Balkanics, being the lightest group in their region.

Arhat
01-09-2015, 09:11 PM
Hm, this seems fishy or very surprising anyway. Why the mother Alan? Weren't they the rulling or dominant tribe in the region and a warrior people? Also why Iran? Iranics originate in northern Central Asia, from where they also spread to Iran and Eastern Europe and the North Caucasus or so it is usually believed. Iranians in Iran have proto-Iranic admixture which was European, but are more West Asian/Middle Eastern by blood.

osssetians have also on the maternal side not much iranic ancestry. There is a misconception that ossetians have iranic admixture on their maternal side because they have similar mtdna like persians but actually persians have mtdna which is almost entirely pre-indoeuropean. Iranic migrations were dominated by males who took local non-iranic wifes.

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 09:15 PM
osssetians have also on the maternal side not much iranic ancestry. There is a misconception that ossetians have iranic admixture on their maternal side because they have similar mtdna like persians but actually persians have mtdna which is almost entirely pre-indoeuropean. Iranic migrations were dominated by males who took local non-iranic wifes.

Like i said, being Iranic is more to do with linguistic terms rather than racial one. I mean, i seriously doubt the Alans would have been any genetically different from other west asians and etc. People change their languages and identities all the time, and Turks are no exception to that rule either. Of course, cultural assimilation comes with admixture, and it varies from people to people. Some people have little admixture and some have a lot. Assyrians for example are a Semitic people, but genetically they are very close to Armenians, Kurds and other northern middle easterners and caucasians.

Duke
01-09-2015, 09:16 PM
Not sure what your point was Duke. The Ossetes are not pure Scythians or Sarmatians, but a mix of that and native Caucasians. Their language is Iranic and they were once known as Alans. Their history in the region is well documented. They are a Sarmatian tribe basically. I think they look between Caucasics and Slavs and a bit like Balkanics, being the lightest group in their region.

Caucasian people look like balkan, this is true

But thats purley because we are both mix of Scythian and wog :D

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:18 PM
osssetians have also on the maternal side not much iranic ancestry. There is a misconception that ossetians have iranic admixture on their maternal side because they have similar mtdna like persians but actually persians have mtdna which is almost entirely pre-indoeuropean. Iranic migrations were dominated by males who took local non-iranic wifes.

So you think they are not real Alans or what? What about Jassic Hungarians?

KawaiiKawaii
01-09-2015, 09:19 PM
Like i said, being Iranic is more to do with linguistic terms rather than racial one. I mean, i seriously doubt the Alans would have been any genetically different from other west asians and etc. People change their languages and identities all the time, and Turks are no exception to that rule either. Of course, cultural assimilation comes with admixture, and it varies from people to people. Some people have little admixture and some have a lot. Assyrians for example are a Semitic people, but genetically they are very close to Armenians, Kurds and other northern middle easterners and caucasians.

Not only Iranic, but all the other linguistic labels too. Romance for example covers a huge area, from me to Portuguese to Moldovans. Arabic goes from Morocco to Iraq. Germanic from Swedish to Austrian. It doesn't make sense to use these words for something else now.

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:21 PM
Caucasian people look like balkan, this is true

But thats purley because we are both mix of Scythian and wog :D

You think other Caucasians have also Scytho-Sarmatian admixture?

Duke
01-09-2015, 09:21 PM
So you think they are not real Alans or what? What about Jassic Hungarians?

Ugric people, as Turkic people lived in Scythian domain, and shared similar lifestyles.
But Scythians in Europe, and in Asia(before mixing) were Russian like, or Slavic like

Alans could be like modern Caucasians, a mix of Slavs, and Caucasic people, but i havent seen any genetic research about old Alans

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:21 PM
Not only Iranic, but all the other linguistic labels too. Romance for example covers a huge area, from me to Portuguese to Moldovans. Arabic goes from Morocco to Iraq. Germanic from Swedish to Austrian. It doesn't make sense to use these words for something else now.

I think Germanics are the most homogenous.

CordedWhelp
01-09-2015, 09:21 PM
Haha..funny timing...I just opened a similar sort of thread...

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 09:23 PM
Not only Iranic, but all the other linguistic labels too. Romance for example covers a huge area, from me to Portuguese to Moldovans. Arabic goes from Morocco to Iraq. Germanic from Swedish to Austrian. It doesn't make sense to use these words for something else now.

Of course. The Ossetians are genetically descendant from their ancestors, and this study proves it:

"In a study conducted in 2014 by VV Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 12 Alanic burials on the Don River, 6 samples turned out belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 samples belonging to mtDNA I. This is a strong argument for direct Alan ancestry of Ossetians and against the hypothesis that Ossetians are alanized Caucasic Speakers, since the major Haplogroup among Ossetians is G2"
https://www.academia.edu/7061155/%D0%90%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%B5%D 0%B2_%D0%93.%D0%95._%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE %D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_% D0%9C.%D0%92._%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE %D0%B2_%D0%94.%D0%A1._%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%88%D0%B5%D1% 82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%98.%D0%9A._%D0%9E_%D0%BA% D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0 %B9_%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0% BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE %D0%B9_%D0%B8_%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8 %D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BF% D0%B5%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D 0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0 %B0%D0%BD_%D0%95.%D0%98._%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF% D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B8_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2% D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B5%D 0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0 %B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%9A%D0% B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0._%D0%9C._2014._%D 0%A1._312-315
This study is new from 2014, but its in Russian so you got to use google translate to read the study.

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:23 PM
Ugric people, as Turkic people lived in Scythian domain, and shared similar lifestyles.
But Scythians in Europe, and in Asia(before mixing) were Russian like, or Slavic like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasz_people I thought you knew of them.

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:25 PM
Like i said, being Iranic is more to do with linguistic terms rather than racial one. I mean, i seriously doubt the Alans would have been any genetically different from other west asians and etc. People change their languages and identities all the time, and Turks are no exception to that rule either. Of course, cultural assimilation comes with admixture, and it varies from people to people. Some people have little admixture and some have a lot. Assyrians for example are a Semitic people, but genetically they are very close to Armenians, Kurds and other northern middle easterners and caucasians.

You think Alans were like northern Caucasians, butthey were described by Romans as northern European looking. And how come ''Assyrians''/Syriac or Aramean Christians are closer to Kurds and Armenians than to other Semites?

Arhat
01-09-2015, 09:25 PM
So you think they are not real Alans or what? What about Jassic Hungarians?

they are of course alans and sarmatians but their ancient ancestors spoke most likely caucasian languages and were iranized by a scytho-sarmatian elite. The same is true is true for many other people because languages and cultures spread often through elites and not through genes

Duke
01-09-2015, 09:30 PM
they are of course alans and sarmatians but their ancient ancestors spoke most likely caucasian languages and were iranized by a scytho-sarmatian elite. The same is true is true for many other people because languages and cultures spread often through elites and not through genes

So you belive once long long time ago in a fairytale Ossetians spread from Germany to mongolia?

Like this
http://www.slovio.com/origin/slavic-speaking-world.jpg

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 09:32 PM
You think Alans were like northern Caucasians, butthey were described by Romans as northern European looking. And how come ''Assyrians''/Syriac or Aramean Christians are closer to Kurds and Armenians than to other Semites?

Because being Semitic is just an ethno-linguistic term, and they are nothing but Semitized northern mesopotamian natives. As for Ossetians, maternally speaking, they do have genetic ties with the Alans, and this study shows it:
"In a study conducted in 2014 by VV Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 12 Alanic burials on the Don River, 6 samples turned out belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 samples belonging to mtDNA I. This is a strong argument for direct Alan ancestry of Ossetians and against the hypothesis that Ossetians are alanized Caucasic Speakers, since the major Haplogroup among Ossetians is G2"
https://www.academia.edu/7061155/%D0%90%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%B5%D 0%B2_%D0%93.%D0%95._%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE %D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_% D0%9C.%D0%92._%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE %D0%B2_%D0%94.%D0%A1._%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%88%D0%B5%D1% 82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%98.%D0%9A._%D0%9E_%D0%BA% D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0 %B9_%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0% BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE %D0%B9_%D0%B8_%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8 %D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BF% D0%B5%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D 0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0 %B0%D0%BD_%D0%95.%D0%98._%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF% D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B8_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2% D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B5%D 0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0 %B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%9A%D0% B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0._%D0%9C._2014._%D 0%A1._312-315

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:32 PM
Duke, Scytho-Sarmatians didn't spread so far either and they were not the only inhabitants in Scythia. Also, of course different tribes, in different regions ended up mixing with locals.

Arhat
01-09-2015, 09:34 PM
So you belive once Caucasians spread from Germany to mongolia?

Like this
http://www.slovio.com/origin/slavic-speaking-world.jpg

no i was only talking about the ossetians who seem to have a caucasian substrate and are genetically different from other scythians which were tested and had almost all y-dna r1a-z93. Northern scythians were genetically somewhere between eastern europeans , northern caucasians and modern non-mongolic central asians (tajiks, pashtuns, pamiri)

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:34 PM
I thought Semites came from Messopotamia, but Alans almost for sure did not came from Iran or Persia.

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:36 PM
no i was only talking about the ossetians who seem to have a caucasian substrate and are genetically different from other scythians which were tested and had almost all y-dna r1a-z93. Northern scythians were genetically somewhere between eastern europeans , caucasians and modern non-mongolic central asians (tajiks, pashtuns, pamiri)

Would this mean they were a mix of something like that?

Duke
01-09-2015, 09:36 PM
no i was only talking about the ossetians who seem to have a caucasian substrate and are genetically different from other scythians which were tested and had almost all y-dna r1a-z93. Northern scythians were genetically somewhere between eastern europeans , caucasians and modern non-mongolic central asians (tajiks, pashtuns, pamiri)

because scythians expanded from Europe eastwards, and asimilating and mixing with everything in their path.

I told you why Caucasian people look similar to Balkan

Its scythians mixed with wogs :D

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 09:38 PM
I thought Semites came from Messopotamia, but Alans almost for sure did not came from Iran or Persia.

Proto-semites came from southern Palestine/Israel, and they are characterized by the haplogroup J1e or J1c3 which most modern Arabian males belong to esp Yemeni men. Anyway, what im saying is that the Ossetians are a mixture between iranian and caucasian peoples, and they aren't Turanid or Turkic like these annoying Turanists are claiming them to be.

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:40 PM
because scythians expanded from Europe eastwards, and asimilating and mixing with everything in their path.

I told you why Caucasian people look similar to Balkan

Its scythians mixed with wogs :D

I think they only ruled North Caucasus area, but maybe that's where they get European admixture.

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 09:41 PM
Proto-semites came from southern Palestine/Israel, and they are characterized by the haplogroup J1e or J1c3 which most modern Arabian males belong to esp Yemeni men. Anyway, what im saying is that the Ossetians are a mixture between iranian and caucasian peoples, and they aren't Turanid or Turkic like these annoying Turanists are claiming them to be.

But you don't think Alans and the rest came from Iran, do you? I think they were Europeans.

Duke
01-09-2015, 09:45 PM
I think they only ruled North Caucasus area, but maybe that's where they get European admixture.

no

Damn, i posted this before, short term memory fail?
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2012/11/scythian-skeletons.html

Besides, most of North Caucasus is Rus, if you call that Caucasus
http://geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/CaucasusLayout_rev.png

And thats where precisely Alans came from
http://www.annodomini.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/tcmAlanMap.jpg

Now, i believe Alans could be close to Ossetians, because its a generally mixed area between Russians, and Caucasus mountain people

Bure
01-09-2015, 09:45 PM
there is no scytho turkic. scyth is persian and modern day bulgars, tchuvash and ossetians have ggot scythian genetics

i got a scyth tattoo aswell

Arhat
01-09-2015, 09:48 PM
Would this mean they were a mix of something like that?

yes scythian had probably very much ANE and looked rather like depigmented modern eastern iranics (irano-nordoid). They were also close to modern slavs because of common indoeuropean ancestry but looked slightly different
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Here are some facial reconstructions of scythians.

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 09:48 PM
But you don't think Alans and the rest came from Iran, do you? I think they were Europeans.

I think they were Europeans but i dont know. All i know is that the ossetians are genetically linked with their ancestors maternally, and their language is an eastern iranian language descended from scytho-sarmatian language. I just find it funny that Turkish people are genetically very close to Caucasians rather than to Kazakhs and Kyrgyzstan, and yet, they keep claiming that they are 100 percent racially pure Turanian turks or something. I dont deny that they do have Turkic admixture buts its very exaggerated.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7303/images/nature09103-f2.2.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iYKtdl7HCQY/Tcl1NyLeNnI/AAAAAAAADsI/dYqMpnclWt4/s1600/1_2.png

The admixture chart:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TPBJmmJLScI/AAAAAAAAC7Y/RezgY2l49Vg/s1600/ADMIXTURE_10.png

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 10:00 PM
Vir, do you think Alans were basically Ossetes and what do you think was the ethnogenesis of the Scytho-Sarmatian peoples like? And how come even Alans looked so light to the Romans?

TheForeigner
01-09-2015, 10:02 PM
Did they exagerate how light these peoples were, because Romans were even more Gypsy looking(darkies I mean) than modern Italians(if somehow possible)?

Duke
01-09-2015, 10:07 PM
there is no scytho turkic. scyth is persian and modern day bulgars, tchuvash and ossetians have ggot scythian genetics

i got a scyth tattoo aswell

The exceptionally high level of G2a1a in the North Ossetians has attracted attention and speculation. Since the Ossetians make claim to descent from the Alans, a group of Sarmatians, it was thought that the Alans or their predessor residents of the area north of the Caucasus. The type of haplogroup G in these European areas, however, is not G2a1a which is rare in Europe. Also rare in Europe is the type of G (G2a3b1) common among the Kabardinians and Adyghe and Abkhaz of the western Caucasus adjacent to the Ossetians.

If the Ossetian G2a1a originated in the major groups north of the Caucasus sometime during an approximate 2,000-year period, it would have been sequentially either from the Scythians, the Alans (and other Saramatians) or the Huns. All three groups were described north of the Caucasus in different time periods as they migrated from the east. Examination of ancient DNA from Scythian skeletons from the steppes to the east of the Caucasus has found only haplogroup R1a


Esentially they are G2a1a folk who make claim they were once R1a Russian like people

Demhat
01-09-2015, 10:08 PM
Turkic Speakers are the result of an East Iranic tribe, the Tur (Turan= land of the Tur) mixing with early Altaic groups.

The Pashtuns or Tajiks are as high in Haplogroup R1a z93 as any Turkic speakers. Since there is not much diversity of R1a1a in Turkic speakers they all probably descend from one single source(the Tur). It is not yet clear if Andronovo was the Proto Indo_iranian homeland, or just a very early settlements of the Proto Indo_iranians.

The Mitanni were probably proto Indo_Iranian speakers who were not yet diverged in the Iranic and Indo_Aryan branches.

Duke
01-09-2015, 10:12 PM
Did they exagerate how light these peoples were, because Romans were even more Gypsy looking(darkies I mean) than modern Italians(if somehow possible)?

would an Italian describe Russian group of barbarians as light?

And you got the answer :D

Arhat
01-09-2015, 10:17 PM
Vir, do you think Alans were basically Ossetes and what do you think was the ethnogenesis of the Scytho-Sarmatian peoples like? And how come even Alans looked so light to the Romans?

alans were probably diverse looking people who assimilated various non-iranic tribes during their migrations. I think the orginial alans were predominately r1a like other scythians or sarmartians but they assimilated a huge number of caucasian people when they settled in the caucasus. Alans more in the north and far away from the caucasus had probably more r1a and were lighter. Alans were nomadic people and nomadic people often incorporated defeated tribes into their own tribal confederations. So many alans had probably also caucasian ancestry and some tests have shown that medieval alans carried already haplogroup G2 like modern ossetians. Haplogroup G2 is in this case clearly of caucasian and not of iranic origin because the oldest iranic people were almost entirely dominated by r1a and haplogroup G2 is very common among non-iranic caucasian people.

After the turkic and mongolic invasion most alans were either killed or assimilated by turks. Only the few alans who stayed in more mountainous regions survived this genocide and here they again mixed much with caucasians so that only few of them carry r1a today

Demhat
01-09-2015, 10:17 PM
yet another, "Golden Woman" Scythian princess found in Kazahstan Terekti
description on the comb shows a war between Scythians and Iranians. so that's a big evidence, Scythians can't be fucking iranians
http://onturk.org/2014/08/20/altin-giysili-kadin/#more-4639
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/2287.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/2379.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1


It shows war between the Scythians and Persians who tried to conquer Scythia.

There was also war between Medes and Persians when Persians under Cyrus attended to take the power over the Median Empire. You probably never heard of "Brotherwar"?

Let me remind you on the Ottoman/Timurid wars. So going by your logic (if you ever had something called logic to begin with). Ottomans can't have been Turkic, right?

Arhat
01-09-2015, 10:22 PM
Turkic Speakers are the result of an East Iranic tribe, the Tur (Turan= land of the Tur) mixing with early Altaic groups.

The Pashtuns or Tajiks are as high in Haplogroup R1a z93 as any Turkic speakers. Since there is not much diversity of R1a1a in Turkic speakers they all probably descend from one single source(the Tur). It is not yet clear if Andronovo was the Proto Indo_iranian homeland, or just a very early settlements of the Proto Indo_iranians.

The Mitanni were probably proto Indo_Iranian speakers who were not yet diverged in the Iranic and Indo_Aryan branches.

pashtuns and mountain tajiks/pamiri have much more r1a turkic people. Only kyrgyz have also so much r1a like them but this seems to be the result of a founder effect and only in one region kyrgyz people had very much r1a.

Instinct
01-09-2015, 10:23 PM
alans were probably diverse looking people who assimilated various non-iranic tribes during their migrations. I think the orginial alans were predominately r1a like other scythians or sarmartians but they assimilated a huge number of caucasian people when they settled in the caucasus. Alans more in the north and far away from the caucasus had probably more r1a and were lighter. Alans were nomadic people and nomadic people often incorporated defeated tribes into their own tribal confederations. So many alans had probably also caucasian ancestry and some tests have shown that medieval alans carried already haplogroup G2 like modern ossetians. Haplogroup G2 is in this case clearly of caucasian and not of iranic origin because the oldest iranic people were almost entirely dominated by r1a and haplogroup G2 is very common among non-iranic caucasian people.

After the turkic and mongolic invasion most alans were either killed or assimilated by turks. Only the few alans who stayed in more mountainous regions survived this genocide and here they again mixed much with caucasians so that only few of them carry r1a today

There is a Zaza tribe called Alan, that's also interesting.

Alphawolf
01-09-2015, 10:30 PM
There is a Kurdish tribe called Alan, that's also interesting.

I guess, it's a Zaza tribe.

Instinct
01-09-2015, 10:33 PM
I guess, it's a Zaza tribe.

Indeed. They are Zaza speakers from Tunceli.

Fixed

Demhat
01-09-2015, 10:37 PM
you turks are retarded, in east europe and steppe ,horsmen were main type of warrior, but you are not Indo europeans, early turks are mongoloid, and you guys today are primarily anatolian, with minor mongol admix

Scythians were light haired people with Indoeuropan genes, and as study has shown they were not similar to Caucasus people

Ancient Y-DNA data was finally provided by Keyser et al in 2009. They studied the haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area in Siberia were dated from between the middle of the 2nd millennium BC and the 4th century AD (Scythian and Sarmatian timeframe). Nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R-M17. The authors suggest that their data shows that between Bronze and Iron Ages the constellation of populations known variously as Scythians, Andronovians, etc. were blue- (or green-) eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people who might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization. Moreover, this study found that they were genetically more closely related to modern populations of eastern Europe than those of central and southern Asia.[38] The ubiquity and utter dominance of R1a Y-DNA lineage

I don't know of any study which has yet published Scythian or Sarmatian aDNA. But what I know is eye and hair color is not a sign of DNA. ancient WHG people were dark skinned while modern people of pred. WHG ancestry are light skinned. The first ever Steppe invader from Hungary was genetically in between North Caucasians and Ukrainians ending somewhere in "no mans land".

Taking into Account that all Indo_Iranians have a good chunk of ANE as well ENF and signs by Lazaridis that earlier Yanmaya people where like West Asian farmers and Northeast European H&G. I doubt that they had no close genetic connection to North Caucasians. Allot of people speculate 35% ANE 45% ENF and 20% WHG. Thats roughly in between North Caucasian and Russian DNA. Don't take modern genetic landscape of European Steppes as representative of ancient Steppes. The Steppes today are heavily affected by the Slavic(European Steppes) and Altaic(Asian Steppes) expansions.

Demhat
01-09-2015, 10:38 PM
I guess, it's a Zaza tribe.

You poor little troll. There is a Kurdish tribe of Alans in Sirnak, Van, Mahabad and Iraqi Kurdistan and Zaza are a Kurdish tribe. But I understand your butthurtness took over your mind once again.

Arhat
01-09-2015, 10:40 PM
http://s27.postimg.org/yrvx97cz7/kurt_680557.jpg

he has r1a like the earliest indo-iranian people and scythian and which real mongolic haplogroup you have??? E, G, or J ?

Demhat
01-09-2015, 10:46 PM
alans were probably diverse looking people who assimilated various non-iranic tribes during their migrations. I think the orginial alans were predominately r1a like other scythians or sarmartians but they assimilated a huge number of caucasian people when they settled in the caucasus. Alans more in the north and far away from the caucasus had probably more r1a and were lighter. Alans were nomadic people and nomadic people often incorporated defeated tribes into their own tribal confederations. So many alans had probably also caucasian ancestry and some tests have shown that medieval alans carried already haplogroup G2 like modern ossetians. Haplogroup G2 is in this case clearly of caucasian and not of iranic origin because the oldest iranic people were almost entirely dominated by r1a and haplogroup G2 is very common among non-iranic caucasian people.

After the turkic and mongolic invasion most alans were either killed or assimilated by turks. Only the few alans who stayed in more mountainous regions survived this genocide and here they again mixed much with caucasians so that only few of them carry r1a today

Alans were a tribal group of Sarmatians. The subgroup of G2a to which the Alans belonged was actually also found in Central Asia. There are even theories that this subgroup of G2a was brought to Caucasus by Alans. Alanic burials on the Don River were by majority G2a.

Alans were diverse in some Haplogroups. G2a beeing more dominant in Caucasus and Western Alans can be explained with bottleneck effect.

Ice
01-09-2015, 10:47 PM
Zaza are a Kurdish tribe.

Don't be so sure about that. Zaza's i know say they are iranic but never accept the kurdish identity. There are some other who accept it though.

Demhat
01-09-2015, 10:49 PM
Don't be so sure about that. Zaza's i know say they are iranic but never accept the kurdish identity. There are some other who accept it though.


You totally convinced me. A Turks words are the first I believe. And since you also seem to know more Zaza as I do. Since I totally have no contact to them in comparison to Turks who are their West and Central Anatolian neighbors, your words have more value.

Demhat
01-09-2015, 10:53 PM
he has r1a like the earliest indo-iranian people and scythian and which real mongolic haplogroup you have??? E, G, or J ?

Don't feed the donkey. ;)
it's probably his own unlce :D. Too much shit going on in the family line.

Alphawolf
01-09-2015, 10:55 PM
You pure little troll. There is a Kurdish tribe of Alans in Sirnak, Van, Mahabad and Iraqi Kurdistan and Zaza are a Kurdish tribe. But I understand your butthurtness took over your mind once again.

I do not care Kurdish boy, if you say so, then it must be true, of course.

Arhat
01-09-2015, 10:57 PM
bump

Ice
01-09-2015, 11:01 PM
You totally convinced me. A Turks words are the first I believe. And since you also seem to know more Zaza as I do. Since I totally have no contact to them in comparison to Turks your words have more value.

I don't get the irony. But yes i know many zaza's from Elazig. I also know a lot about Kurds, their mentality and way of thinking. I can also hear the difference between kurmanci and zazaki.

gültekin
01-09-2015, 11:01 PM
he has r1a like the earliest indo-iranian people and scythian and which real mongolic haplogroup you have??? E, G, or J ?
interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3SsQx1a9sI

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 11:05 PM
think more in the Nostratic way, then the world becomes easier... :)

Nostratic is too far fetched. Few scholars accept it, even less can define it.

You can go down the same path and argue that all humans spoke the same language in the past... And???

Demhat
01-09-2015, 11:06 PM
yes i also think it was a result of a bottleneck effect. Alans had no presence in central asia

Well actually there was presence of Alans in Central Asia. It is even said that they came from there, as we know from historic sources.


and the subclades of g2 in central asia are different from that in the caucasus so it can been excluded that alans brought it into to the caucasus. G2 is also predominant among non-iranic caucasians and is rather an older pre-indoeuropean marker which can not be linked to early sarmatians and scythians. The early alans had most likely r1a but they were mostly killed or assimilated by turks and only few survived who mixed with caucasians

I think you slightly misunderstood. The subclade to which Alans belong is also found in Central Asia too. In the Caucasus it is not connected to one Caucasic language group, but to all the Caucasians in the West who had been historically in contact with Alans. Such as Circassians/Abkhazians and Georgians. The one group is Kartvelian the other Northwest Caucasian. So some people have the theory that a large chunck of the G2a there is brought by Alans.

I simply believe that the original Alans in Central Asia were R1a*, G2a, R1b*, J2a1 mixed. And a group of them moved into the Caucasus and this group coincidently was predominantly G2a (bottleneck effect).

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 11:18 PM
:) so and what means -ko :D
funny guy, there is also an Shovgen-ovsky rajon in Adigeya

Территория Русские Адыгейцы Армяне Украинцы Курды
г. Майкоп 72,6 % 16,7 % 3,0 % 2,5 % 0,0 %
г. Адыгейск 18,1 % 78,4 % 0,4 % 0,6 % -
Сельская местность
г. Майкопа 79,9 % 6,0 % 2,3 % 2,6 % 0,8 %
Гиагинский р-н 86,7 % 2,8 % 3,1 % 2,1 % 0,1 %
Кошехабльский р-н 43,0 % 49,4 % 2,0 % 0,8 % -
Красногвардейский р-н 63,0 % 17,3 % 1,8 % 1,7 % 10,3 %
Майкопский р-н 81,2 % 1,5 % 10,0 % 2,8 % 0,1 %
Тахтамукайский р-н 54,7 % 34,7 % 2,6 % 1,8 % 0,1 %
Теучежский р-н 27,2 % 68,4 % 1,0 % 0,8 % 0,1 %
Шовгеновский р-н 33,6 % 62,5 % 0,4 % 0,7 % 0,0 %
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B4%D1%8B%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%8F

It's just a fucking random similarity you idiot. Just because it is close (not even identical) doesn't prove anything. All languages have words resembling other unrelated words of other languages...

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 11:19 PM
indoeuropeans didnt orginated in west asia, they orginated somewhere in the pontic-caspian steppe and central asia was very early populated by them also because it is not far away from the eastern european steppe

Nobody knows where exactly did the Indo-Europeans originate. There are competing theories...

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 11:20 PM
I recently had an eye at the article on Altaic at wiki and saw that Ainu was included. I never heard of that theory. Ainu are known to carry the y-haplogroup D which is also common in Tibet.

It's the first time I hear that too. Not much of Ainu is left nowadays anyway, the language is heavily contaminated by Japanese.

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 11:21 PM
do you have arguments, you much more mr. retarded? tell me do you hear what they spoke ha?

What are your arguments? The sun language theory???

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 11:35 PM
I'm talking to an idiot.

1. The classification of the Korean and Japanese language is heavily disputed.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages

Another view accepts Altaic as a valid family but includes in it only Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic. This view was widespread prior to the 1960s, but has almost no supporters among specialists today.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages#cite_note-4) The expanded grouping, including Korean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_language) and Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language), came to be known as "Macro-Altaic", leading to the designation of the smaller grouping as "Micro-Altaic" by retronymy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retronym). Most proponents of Altaic continue to support the inclusion of Korean and Japanese.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages#cite_note-China_2008-5)


2. Haplogroup C is far from being shared/ancestral HG for Altaic-speaking peoples. Even haplogroup Q and R1a sounds more plausible.

It is present in all of the Altaic speaking people, thus it is a candidate. As I said, the Hungarians have 1% N haplogroup, but their Uralic language has roots in North Siberia where the N haplogroup dominates.


3. R1a peaks in Altai people, C doesn't.

This is where C peaks:

http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Haplogroup_C_%28Y-DNA%29


In human genetics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/human_genetics), Haplogroup C (RPS4Y=M130, M216) is a Y-chromosome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosome) haplogroup (http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Haplogroup).

Haplogroup C seems to have come into existence shortly after M168 was introduced, probably at least 60,000 years before present. Although Haplogroup C attains its highest frequencies among the indigenous populations of Mongolia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolia), the Russian Far East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Far_East), Polynesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesia), Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/indigenous_Australians), and at moderate frequency in the Korean Peninsula and Manchuria, it displays its highest diversity among modern populations of India (http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/India), and therefore it is hypothesized that Haplogroup C either originated or underwent its longest period of evolution and diversification within India or the greater South Asian coastal region.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HRq4KuMXBO8/UidRDkytIXI/AAAAAAAAJHc/uIxS37cCrXM/s1600/World_Map_of_Y-DNA_Haplogroups.png

What is interesting is that even the Aboriginal/Amerindian/Polynesian languages are mostly agglutinative, like the Altaic and Uralic languages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutinative_language#Examples


Examples of agglutinative languages include:



Algonquian languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algonquian_languages), namely Cree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cree_language) and Blackfoot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfoot_language)
Japanese language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language)
Koreanic languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreanic_languages)
Mongolic languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolic_languages)
Tungusic languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungusic_languages)
Turkic languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages)
Armenian language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_language)
Athabaskan languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabaskan_languages)
Austronesian languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austronesian_languages)[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
Bantu languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_languages) (see Ganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luganda))
Dravidian languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_languages), most prominent of which are Tamil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_language), Kannada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kannada_language), Telugu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telugu_language), Malayalam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayalam_language) and Tulu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulu_language)
Eskimo–Aleut languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo%E2%80%93Aleut_languages), namely Aleut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleut_language), Inuktitut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuktitut), and Yupik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yupik_language)
Igboid languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igboid_languages)
Kartvelian languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartvelian_languages)
some Mesoamerican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_languages) and native North American languages including Nahuatl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahuatl_language), Huastec (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wastek_language), and Salish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salishan_languages)
Muskogean languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muskogean_languages)
Northeast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Caucasian_languages) and Northwest Caucasian languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Caucasian_languages)
Berber languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_languages)
Some assert that Persian language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language) is the only Iranian language which is agglutinative[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutinative_language#cite_note-3)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutinative_language#cite_note-4)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutinative_language#cite_note-5)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutinative_language#cite_note-6)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutinative_language#cite_note-7)
many Uralic languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages), namely Hungarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language), Finnish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_language) and Sami languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_languages)
Siouan languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siouan_languages), namely Lakota (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakota_language) and Yuchi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuchi_language)
many Tibeto-Burman languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibeto-Burman_languages)
Quechua languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quechua_languages) and Aymara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aymara_language)
Vasconic languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasconic_languages) namely Basque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_language), and the extinct Aquitanian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquitanian_language)

Many languages spoken by Ancient Near East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Near_East) peoples were agglutinative:


Gutian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutian_language)
Elamite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elamite_language)
Hattic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattic_language)
Hurrian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrian_language)
Kassite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kassite_language)
Lullubi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lullubi)
Sumerian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_language)
Urartian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urartian_language)



This is proof of some common origins.




R1b is not even Indo-European.

It is 1000% Indo-European. All of Western/North/South/Central Europe is full of R1b and Centum Indo-European. R1a is related to the Satem Indo-European languages, not the Centum ones...

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 11:43 PM
It's difficult to find a Turk without East Asian/Siberian admixture, which is absent in ordinary Greeks & Armenians. You can't even know the difference between a Turk and a Mongol you moron.

Are you... Sure???

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/anatolian-turks.html


...high resolution SNP analysis provides evidence of a detectable yet weak signal (<9%) of recent paternal gene flow from Central Asia...

...In the present study, the Central Asian contribution to Anatolia was estimated as 13%...

What relation between East Asia and Turks are you fuming about???

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 11:45 PM
Anatolian Turks: 28% Turkic
Armenians: 42% Turkic
Kurds: very close to Turkic like Armenian

Source?

Kamal900
01-09-2015, 11:47 PM
Source?

Don't bother trying to argue with them dude. I tried, and all i got was ridicule and thumbs down from them(see my signature).

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 11:50 PM
Sakas (Massagetae) were called Turanian (an Iranic term) by Iranians, not by Turanists you idiot. :laugh: Scythians were Indo-European speaking (still disputed though), but later absorbed into the culture and identity of incoming Turkic tribes. What we are saying is Central Asian Turks are genetically & culturally more related to Saka/Scythian/Massagetae than modern Iranians or Slavs are.

Because they assimilated them at a later point?

Nope, it doesn't sound convincing, and nope, nobody disputes that the Scythians were speaking an Iranian language:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages


The Scythian languages (/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɪ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)θ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)i (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ə (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)n (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) or / (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɪ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ğ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)i (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ə (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)n (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)) were a family of Iranian languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_languages) of the classical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity) and late (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_antiquity) antiquity (Middle Iranian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Iranian_languages)) period (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodization), spoken in a vast region of Eurasia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia) named Scythia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythia). Except for modern Ossetian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetian_language), which descends from the Alanian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#Alanian) variety, these languages are all extinct.
The location and extent of Scythia varied by time, but generally it encompassed the part of Eastern Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe) east of the Vistula river (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_river) and much of Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia). The dominant ethnic groups among the Scythians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians) were nomadic pastoralists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomadic_pastoralists) of Central Asia and the Pontic-Caspian steppe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic-Caspian_steppe). Fragments of their speech known from inscriptions and words quoted in ancient authors as well as analysis of their names indicate that it was an Indo-European (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European) language, more specifically from the Iranian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_languages) branch of the Indo-Iranian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Iranian_languages) languages. Further classification is uncertain and elusive, though it is usually considered a part of the areal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprachbund) group of the Eastern Iranian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Iranian_languages) languages. Alexander Lubotsky summarizes the known linguistic landscape as follows:[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-2)

Unfortunately, we know next to nothing about the Scythian of that period [Old Iranian] – we have only a couple of personal and tribal names in Greek and Persian sources at our disposal – and cannot even determine with any degree of certainty whether it was a single language.



Do you even know what we are talking about? What the fuck does Pan-Turanism have to do with this? Why do you repeat that word like a fucking parrot?

It does. All of your shit is originating from your infamous "Sun language theory":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Language_Theory


The Sun Language Theory (Turkish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_language): Güneş Dil Teorisi) was a Turkish nationalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_nationalism) pseudoscientific (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscientific) linguistic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistics) hypothesis developed in Turkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey) in the 1930s that proposed that all human languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language) are descendants of one proto-Turkic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_Languages) primal language. The theory proposed that because this primal language had close phonemic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonemic) resemblances to Turkish, all other languages can essentially be traced back to Turkic roots. According to the theory, the Central Asian worshippers, who wanted to salute the omnipotence of the sun and its life-giving qualities, had done so by transforming their meaningless blabbering into a coherent set of ritual utterings, and language was born, hence the name.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Language_Theory#cite_note-1)

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 11:52 PM
When i sent my raw dna to Mcdonald he told me this: Turkish, but apparently mixed; premixed Central Asian.

I think after caucasian people, turks have absorbed most sycthian blood, more than iranians. I'm not sure though.

What is certain is that the Scythians used to be Indo-Europeans, before anybody absorbed them...

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 11:56 PM
Why? Wait, because we are wannabe Europeans right? We even base our entire foreign policy on this. You are seriously a moron.

Basically, as Turks, you are definitely more stupid than the Arabs (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?151801-Omar-Khayyam-his-calendar-the-Turks-and-other-stories)... And you do not even bother to dispute my claims to this!!!

Petros Houhoulis
01-09-2015, 11:58 PM
Do you know anything about genetics?

My east asian percentage is almost same as my central asian one. I didn't get it from slavs or gypsies (both aryans).

What East Asian parentage? I didn't see any part of East Asia in the map you provided! Not even Central Asia is really present:

http://i.imgur.com/dirovcl.jpg

Are you kidding yourself or what???

Petros Houhoulis
01-10-2015, 12:01 AM
How could Herodotus have the linguistic knowledge to recognize the Scythians as Indo-European speakers. ?

Herodotus only preserved their words, which were analysed much later by modern scientists:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#Corpus


Inscriptions Some scholars ascribe certain inscribed objects found in the Carpathian Basin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Basin) and in Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia) to the Scythians, but the interpretation of these inscriptions remains disputed (given that nobody has definitively identified the alphabet or translated the content).
An inscription from Saqqez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqqez) written in the Hieroglyphic Hittite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_hieroglyphs) script may represent Scythian: [9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-9)

<tbody>
Transliteration:
par-tì-ta₅-wa₅ ki-ś₃-a₄-á KUR-u-pa-ti QU-wa-a₅ | i₅-pa-ś₂-a-m₂


Transcription:
Partitava xšaya DAHYUupati xva|ipašyam


Translation:
King Partitavas, the masters of the land property."

</tbody>
King Partitava equates to the Scythian king called Prototyēs in Herodotus (1.103) and known as Par-ta-tu-a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartatua) in the Assyrian sources. ("Partatua of Sakasene" married the daughter of Esarhaddon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esarhaddon) c. 675 BC)
The Issyk inscription (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issyk_inscription), found in a Scythian kurgan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan) dating approximately to the 4th century BC, remains undeciphered, but some authorities assume that it represents Scythian.
Personal names The primary sources for Scythian words remain the Scythian toponyms, tribal names, and numerous personal names in the ancient Greek texts and in the Greek inscriptions found in the Greek colonies on the Northern Black Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea) Coast. These names suggest that the Scythian-Sarmatian language had close similarities to modern Ossetian.
Some scholars believe that many toponyms and hydronyms of the Russian and Ukrainian steppe have Scythian links. For example, Vasmer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Vasmer) associates the name of the river Don (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_River,_Russia) with an assumed/reconstructed unattested Scythian word *dānu "water, river", and with Avestan dānu-, Pashto dand and Ossetian don. [10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-10) The river names Don (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_River_%28Russia%29), Donets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donets), Dnieper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnieper), Danube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube), Dniester (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dniester) and lake Donuzlav (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donuzlav) (the deepest one in Crimea, Ukraine) may also belong with the same word-group. [11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-11)
Herodotus' Scythian etymologies The Greek historian Herodotus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodotus) provides another source of Scythian; he reports that the Scythians called the Amazons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons) Oiorpata, and explains the name as a compound of oior, meaning "man", and pata, meaning "to kill" (Hist. 4,110).


Most scholars associate oior "man" with Avestan vīra- "man, hero", Sanskrit vīra-, Latin vir (gen. virī) "man, hero, husband",[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-12)[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-13) PIE *u̯iHro-. Various explanations account for pata "kill":

Avestan paiti- "lord", Sanskrit pati-, PIE *poti-, cf. Lat. potestate (i.e. "man-ruler");[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-14)
Ossetian maryn "kill", Pashto mrəl, Sanskrit mārayati, PIE *mer- "die" (confusion of Greek Μ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28letter%29) and Π (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_%28letter%29));[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-15)
Ossetian fædyn "cleave", Sanskrit pātayati "fell", PIE *peth₂- "fall".[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-16)


Alternatively, one scholar suggests Iranian aiwa- "one" + warah- "breast",[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-17) the Amazons believed to have removed a breast to aid drawing a bow, according to some ancient folklorists, and as reflected in Greek folk-etymology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk-etymology): a- (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privative_a) (privative) + mazos, "without breast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast)".

Elsewhere Herodotus explains the name of the mythical one-eyed tribe Arimaspoi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaspi) as a compound of the Scythian words arima, meaning "one", and spu, meaning "eye" (Hist. 4,27).


Some scholars connect arima "one" with Ossetian ærmæst "only", Avestic airime "quiet", Greek erēmos "empty", PIE *h₁(e)rh₁mo-?, and spu "eye" with Avestic spas- "foretell", Sanskrit spaś-, PIE *speḱ- "see".[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-18)
However, Iranian usually expresses "one" and "eye" with words like aiwa- and čašman- (Ossetian īw and cæst).
Other scholars reject Herodotus' etymology and derive the ethnonym Arimaspoi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaspi) from Iranian aspa- "horse" instead.[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-19)
Or the first part of the name may reflect something like Iranian raiwant- "rich", cf. Ossetian riwæ "rich".[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-20)

Herodotus' Scythian theonyms Herodotus also gives a list of Scythian theonyms (Hist. 4.59):


Tabiti = (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretatio_Graeca) Hestia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hestia). Perhaps related to Sanskrit Tapatī, a heroine in the Mahābhārata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahabharata), literally "the burning (one)".[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-21)
Papaios = Zeus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus). Either "father" (Herodotus) or "protector", Avestan, Sanskrit pā- "protect", PIE *peh₃-.[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-22)
Api = Gaia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_%28mythology%29). Either "mother"[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-23) or "water", Avestan, Sanskrit āp-, PIE Hep-[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-24)
Goitosyros or Oitosyros = Apollo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo). Perhaps Avestan gaēθa- "animal" + sūra- "rich".[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-25)
Argimpasa or Artimpasa = Aphrodite Urania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodite_Urania). To Ossetic art and Pashto or, "fire", Avestan āθra-.[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#cite_note-26)
Thagimasadas = Poseidon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseidon).

Pliny the Elder Pliny the Elder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder)'s Natural History (AD 77-79) derives the name of the Caucasus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus) from the Scythian kroy-khasis = ice-shining, white with snow (cf. Greek cryos = ice-cold).



Herodotus did not categorize their language, as you can see...

Ice
01-10-2015, 12:12 AM
What East Asian parentage? I didn't see any part of East Asia in the map you provided! Not even Central Asia is really present:

http://i.imgur.com/dirovcl.jpg

Are you kidding yourself or what???

I have tested myself on 23andme and later on ftdna. I knew i was +/- 15 east/central asian before ftdna published my results. According to ftdna there was no such thing as east asian populations. You can say my euro/indian pop is highly siberian/east asian shifted. This is the updated version:
http://i.imgur.com/2Zq8TT7.jpg

Btw, i didnt say sycthians were turkic in origin, i dont think they were slav either. I'm just saying turks/turkics have absorbed sycithian blood. More than dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia's who call themself persian those days.

Btw, sogdians have assimilated in turkish gene pool before the seljuks even entered anatolia.

Demhat
01-10-2015, 12:14 AM
Herodotus only preserved their words, which were analysed much later by modern scientists:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#Corpus



Herodotus did not categorize their language, as you can see...

Add to that the Khotanese Scythian inscriptions of West China.

Instinct
01-10-2015, 12:18 AM
Btw, i didnt say sycthians were turkic in origin, i dont think they were slav either. I'm just saying turks/turkics have absorbed sycithian blood. More than dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia's who call themself persian those days.


Even when you talk about sycthians you try to provoke, you radical islamist. Would you like to hear that if I call you as a gypsy sunni?

Don't do that again.

gültekin
01-10-2015, 12:19 AM
It's just a fucking random similarity you idiot. Just because it is close (not even identical) doesn't prove anything. All languages have words resembling other unrelated words of other languages...
no is not you retarded fuck, seems you didn't get your daily medicine. what a surprice
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs5/i/2004/306/2/e/Anal_Lube_CS_Source_spray_icon_by_svunnig.jpg

Ice
01-10-2015, 12:20 AM
Even when you talk about sycthians you try to provoke, you radical islamist. Would you like to hear that if I call you as a gyspy sunni?

Don't do that again.

I thought alevi's were shaman turcomans.. even kurds are more loyal to turkey than you alevi's.

Why are you defending iran/shia?

Arhat
01-10-2015, 12:21 AM
I have tested myself on 23andme and later on ftdna. I knew i was +/- 15 east/central asian before ftdna published my results. According to ftdna there was no such thing as east asian populations. You can say my euro/indian pop is highly siberian/east asian shifted. This is the updated version:
http://i.imgur.com/2Zq8TT7.jpg

Btw, i didnt say sycthians were turkic in origin, i dont think they were slav either. I'm just saying turks/turkics have absorbed sycithian blood. More than dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia's who call themself persian those days.

Btw, sogdians have assimilated in turkish gene pool before the seljuks even entered anatolia.

even "dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia" persians have more scythian blood than you. Your ancestors were maybe greeks, armenians, kurds, balkan slavs, arabs or caucasians but not scythians or sogdians

gültekin
01-10-2015, 12:22 AM
even dark "dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia" persians have more scythian blood than you. Your ancestors were maybe greeks, armenians, kurds, balkan slavs, arabs or caucasians but not scythians or sogdians
keep dreaming about that, :D

Petros Houhoulis
01-10-2015, 12:23 AM
I have tested myself on 23andme and later on ftdna. I knew i was +/- 15 east/central asian before ftdna published my results. According to ftdna there was no such thing as east asian populations. You can say my euro/indian pop is highly siberian/east asian shifted. This is the updated version:
http://i.imgur.com/2Zq8TT7.jpg

Btw, i didnt say sycthians were turkic in origin, i dont think they were slav either. I'm just saying turks/turkics have absorbed sycithian blood. More than dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia's who call themself persian those days.

Btw, sogdians have assimilated in turkish gene pool before the seljuks even entered anatolia.

All I see between those maps is that some wisecracks are scooping away your money with silly claims. The one map is virtually unrelated to the other one!!! The last map basically claims that your genes are 2/3 Anatolian.

The Iranian Shias were never "dark skinned, unibrowed or long faced".

The Sogdians and the Scythians were not originally Turkic or Altaic speaking people, no matter how much you masturbate about it... Get used to it...

Instinct
01-10-2015, 12:23 AM
I thought alevi's were shaman turcomans.. even kurds are more loyal to turkey than you alevi's.

Alevism, a religion itself is a mix of Shia Islam and Shamans. Well, we were not loyal to Ottomans of course we didn't need to be loyal to a barbaric so called empire (Ottomans are barbars) and we were their enemies but it's not the same with the republic of Turkey.

Turkey wouldn't be Turkey if we wouldn't be loyal like the other groups in Turkey.

Go to your fellow yazid kurdish brothers now so called turk.

Petros Houhoulis
01-10-2015, 12:24 AM
no is not you retarded fuck, seems you didn't get your daily medicine. what a surprice
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs5/i/2004/306/2/e/Anal_Lube_CS_Source_spray_icon_by_svunnig.jpg

Retard Turk, show us some of your silly Youtube videos, to laugh at the quality of your "arguments" again...

gültekin
01-10-2015, 12:25 AM
Retard Turk, show us some of your silly Youtube videos, to laugh at the quality of your "arguments" again...
faggot greek, siktir git malaka lol

Ice
01-10-2015, 12:26 AM
What is certain is that the Scythians used to be Indo-Europeans, before anybody absorbed them...

According to eurocentrists

this is a proud aryan
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1412362836/Kiro_Kazim.jpg

and this is a turkic invader
http://f.internetara.com/onbellek/12/01/18/iuuq_NV_00xxx_SL_vomvmfslfswboj_SL_dpn0ebub0nfejb0 2_2NU_10emionnnqy_AP_6Lbejs_SK_jobos_SL_kqh.jpg

gültekin
01-10-2015, 12:29 AM
You poor little troll. There is a Kurdish tribe of Alans in Sirnak, Van, Mahabad and Iraqi Kurdistan and Zaza are a Kurdish tribe. But I understand your butthurtness took over your mind once again.
http://s27.postimg.org/yrvx97cz7/kurt_680557.jpg
hahahahaha

Ice
01-10-2015, 12:31 AM
Alevism, a religion itself is a mix of Shia Islam and Shamans. Well, we were not loyal to Ottomans of course we didn't need to be loyal to a barbaric so called empire (Ottomans are barbars) and we were their enemies but it's not the same with the republic of Turkey.

Turkey wouldn't be Turkey if we wouldn't be loyal like the other groups in Turkey.

Go to your fellow yazid kurdish brothers now so called turk.

You are a disgrace to alevis. I know there are good, nationalistic alevis too.

Arhat
01-10-2015, 12:33 AM
According to eurocentrists

this is a proud aryan
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1412362836/Kiro_Kazim.jpg

and this is a turkic invader
http://f.internetara.com/onbellek/12/01/18/iuuq_NV_00xxx_SL_vomvmfslfswboj_SL_dpn0ebub0nfejb0 2_2NU_10emionnnqy_AP_6Lbejs_SK_jobos_SL_kqh.jpg

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the man shown in the first picture looks like a typical anatolian turks. His look is typical for your people. He looks like the quintessence of every turk i have seen. It is just funny that turks have still not realized that they not only speak the ugliest language in eurasia but are also the ugliest people there.

Instinct
01-10-2015, 12:36 AM
The Iranian Shias were never "dark skinned, unibrowed or long faced".


Well, he just wants to attack Shia Azeri and Persian people althought he describes himself as dark skinned and long faced salafi radical sunni beduin I think.

Khomeini's grandson;

http://en.trend.az/article_photo/2013/05/23/hassan_khomeini_230513.jpg
http://www.enduringamerica.com/storage/blog-post-images/HASSAN%20KHOMEINI.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1 316932818774
https://droi.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/hassan-khomeini.jpg

Demhat
01-10-2015, 12:38 AM
According to eurocentrists


[QUOTE]
and this is a turkic invader
http://f.internetara.com/onbellek/12/01/18/iuuq_NV_00xxx_SL_vomvmfslfswboj_SL_dpn0ebub0nfejb0 2_2NU_10emionnnqy_AP_6Lbejs_SK_jobos_SL_kqh.jpg
No that is just a very pro Kurdish Laz.



And according to the rest of the world. These here are Aryans.

54264
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4046/4405121766_c037e3c642.jpg
http://ossetians.com/pictures/Xubul%20Vale.jpg
http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/925627_1463194150608018_125982847_a.jpg
http://www.media.glamsham.com/download/wallpaper/movies/images/m/mummy-punjabi-wallpaper-07-12x9.jpg


The problem with you and what you don't understand Persians don't need to be descend of Scythians to be close to them, because they are relatives of them and belong to the same family and because even the non Proto_Iranic portion of Persians is West Eurasian and therefore closer to the Scythians than half Scythian and half East Eurasian mixed Turkic groups. Therefore even the darkest, most unibrowed Persian is geneticallly closer to Scythians. Turkic groups probably have some Scythian ancestry but their non Scythian ancestry is more foreign.

Also keep in mind we are talking here about Turkic groups of Central Asia. Turks of Anatolia have even less to do with them and are ironically close genetic cousins of Persians

Ice
01-10-2015, 12:38 AM
All I see between those maps is that some wisecracks are scooping away your money with silly claims. The one map is virtually unrelated to the other one!!! The last map basically claims that your genes are 2/3 Anatolian.

The Iranian Shias were never "dark skinned, unibrowed or long faced".

The Sogdians and the Scythians were not originally Turkic or Altaic speaking people, no matter how much you masturbate about it... Get used to it...

The update was good.. i don't think i've wasted my money. If you analyse the updated version you can see the link with turkic migration to anatolia.

It's your problem if you can't afford the test. Maybe you don't have the balls to take the test?

Persians (4 grandparetns) are very ugly people. Good looking persians must have azeri,turkmen or kurd ancestry. The mollahs allow them to have anal sex with their ugly wives, still there are many iranians fags. Especially in the netherlands. They are fag + anti-islam at the same time,perhaps just like you?

Instinct
01-10-2015, 12:38 AM
You are a disgrace to alevis. I know there are good, nationalistic alevis too.

There are not neo Ottoman Alevis. You are a pro sunni yazid who tries to insult Alevis, Azeris and Persians because of their religion any time. It's just stupid, be careful what you say. Nationalistic Alevis are the nationalists of Turks and Ataturk, not Ottomans.

Most of Alevis are Kemalists like my family and elders and they care about equality, modernity in Turkey.

Demhat
01-10-2015, 12:40 AM
Retard Turk, show us some of your silly Youtube videos, to laugh at the quality of your "arguments" again...

uhhh göttekin is so butthurt that his butt has started to burn. Give him some vaseline.

Pennywise
01-10-2015, 12:41 AM
The update was good.. i don't think i've wasted my money. If you analyse the updated version you can see the link with turkic migration to anatolia.

It's your problem if you can't afford the test. Maybe you don't have the balls to take the test?

Persians (4 grandparetns) are very ugly people. Good looking persians must have azeri,turkmen or kurd ancestry. The mollahs allow them to have anal sex with their ugly wives, still there are many iranians fags. Especially in the netherlands. They are fag + anti-islam at the same time,perhaps just like you?

nereden, nasıl ve kaça yaptırdın testi sen?

gültekin
01-10-2015, 12:41 AM
uhhh götekin is so butthurt that his butt has started to burn. Give him some vaseline.
hahaha you donkeyfucker sorani , you need that too hahahaha

Pennywise
01-10-2015, 12:42 AM
uhhh götekin is so butthurt that his butt has started to burn. Give him some vaseline.

sikik, türkçe biliyorsan cevap ver bi merak ettim.

Ice
01-10-2015, 12:42 AM
Well, he just wants to attack Shia Azeri and Persian people althought he describes himself as dark skinned and long faced salafi radical sunni beduin I think.

Khomeini's grandson;

http://en.trend.az/article_photo/2013/05/23/hassan_khomeini_230513.jpg


http://www.enduringamerica.com/storage/blog-post-images/HASSAN%20KHOMEINI.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1 316932818774
https://droi.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/hassan-khomeini.jpg

Humeyni is azeri. Btw, iran was ruled by turks for a millennia. Pehlevi dynasty is the only persian dynasty that took control over iran after Omar (god bless him) have conquested iran.

Instinct
01-10-2015, 12:42 AM
The mollahs allow them to have anal sex with their ugly wives, still there are many iranians fags. Especially in the netherlands. They are fag + anti-islam at the same time,perhaps just like you?

How ugly beduin you are, you still insult the holy values of millions of Turks and you talk about Turanism etc. xD

gültekin
01-10-2015, 12:45 AM
sikik, türkçe biliyorsan cevap ver bi merak ettim.
o sikik eşek sikmekten iki kelimeyi yanyana getiremez, sorani eşeği aq kodumun tayyipçi barzanici köpeği işte

KawaiiKawaii
01-10-2015, 12:45 AM
Turkish is not allowed here. Go speak Turkish somewhere else.

Ice
01-10-2015, 12:46 AM
How ugly beduin you are, you still insult the holy values of millions of Turks and you talk about Turanism etc. xD

Turkish Alevism =/= shia

You idiot, you are ideologically closer to bektashi albanians than to those crazy mollahs.

Instinct
01-10-2015, 12:47 AM
Humeyni is azeri. Btw, iran was ruled by turks for a millennia. Pehlevi dynasty is the only persian dynasty that took control over iran after Omar (god bless him) have conquested iran.

Also, the Shia authority was created by a Turkic civilization, Safavid Empire.

So, if you call yourself a Turk, why do you attack Shia people althought there are millions of Turks who believe in Shia Islam.

If you want to get respect from us, you have to respect.

Pennywise
01-10-2015, 12:48 AM
Turkish is not allowed here. Go speak Turkish somewhere else.

sen siktir git. yavşak isviçreli troll seni. :)

Pennywise
01-10-2015, 12:49 AM
o sikik eşek sikmekten iki kelimeyi yanyana getiremez, sorani eşeği aq kodumun tayyipçi barzanici köpeği işte

ne ayak biliyor musun? sonradan gördüm bunu.

Instinct
01-10-2015, 12:50 AM
Turkish Alevism =/= shia

You idiot, you are ideologically closer to bektashi albanians than to those crazy mollahs.

Anyways you are against Alevis also. We have the same faith (12 Imams) in common with Shia of Azerbaijan and Iran and historicaly we are related to Safavid Empire.

Do you consider as crazy sunni imams of saudi arabia that they allow you to marry kids?

gültekin
01-10-2015, 12:53 AM
ne ayak biliyor musun? sonradan gördüm bunu.
barzanici maymunun teki. görsen kafese kapatırsın

Demhat
01-10-2015, 12:58 AM
barzanici maymunun teki. görsen kafese kapatırsın

I used google translater. Please someone tell me if the translation is accurate


My mother, the ugly monkey, has a bigger penis than me

Petros Houhoulis
01-10-2015, 12:59 AM
faggot greek, siktir git malaka lol

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/z/1eQAAMXQmUpR7Vw8/$T2eC16JHJFsFFR9i5zjgBR7Vw8%28W1Q%7E%7E60_35.JPG

Petros Houhoulis
01-10-2015, 01:00 AM
According to eurocentrists

this is a proud aryan
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1412362836/Kiro_Kazim.jpg

and this is a turkic invader
http://f.internetara.com/onbellek/12/01/18/iuuq_NV_00xxx_SL_vomvmfslfswboj_SL_dpn0ebub0nfejb0 2_2NU_10emionnnqy_AP_6Lbejs_SK_jobos_SL_kqh.jpg

...And yet those can be uncommon samples of the Aryan and Turkic people respectively...

gültekin
01-10-2015, 01:01 AM
im a monkey and my mother fucks donkeys
interesting
http://s27.postimg.org/yrvx97cz7/kurt_680557.jpg