Argentine 19th century: Classify Colonial Criollos

[AmericanLiberator]

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http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a475/elargentinocosmico9009/04_zps47949332.jpg

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[Tooting Carmen]

Alpine-Brunn, Alpine-Med and then most of the remainder are Castizos or Harnizos.

[AmericanLiberator]

Alpine-Brunn, Alpine-Med and then most of the remainder are Castizos or Harnizos.

Thanks
Who looks harnizo ?. All were classified as "Spanish" in 1895 Argentine census.

[AmericanLiberator]

Bump

[Cristiano viejo]

Old pictures are hard to classify.
What are their names?

[oh-nahhh]

pred. Alpine.

[AmericanLiberator]

Old pictures are hard to classify.
What are their names?

ok
01-Engineer Arturo Bell & Arias
02-Commander Tomás Bell & Arias
03-Elvira Alzaga & Ibarguren
04-Lieutenant Lisandro Castellanos Toledo
05-Leonardo S.Ortiz.
06-Children Bell
07- Dr. Leonardo Saravia & Ortiz
08-María Bell Saravia de Anchorena.
09- Adela Saravia & Mendilaharzu
10- Arturo Bell.

Do they look more Indian or more European?

[Cristiano viejo]

Do they look more Indian or more European?
Europeans ofc
Bell is not Spanish btw

[aherne]

Thanks
Who looks harnizo ?. All were classified as "Spanish" in 1895 Argentine census.

More likely that's how they classified THEMSELVES:) Most don't look Spanish at all. This woman is Mestiza:
http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a475/elargentinocosmico9009/03_zps0c65c319.jpg

This guy looks like a quadroon/octoroon:
http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a475/elargentinocosmico9009/05_zps3a96c013.jpg

Amerindian influence is obvious in many others, like in this Harnizo (?) boy:
http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a475/elargentinocosmico9009/04_zps47949332.jpg
^ Hardly need to stress how no Spaniard EVER has this look.

Probably before mass immigration in 19th century Argentina had same ethnic composition as Paraguay.

[Argentano]

More likely that's how they classified THEMSELVES:) Most don't look Spanish at all. This woman is Mestiza:

This guy looks like a quadroon/octoroon:

Amerindian influence is obvious in many others, like in this Harnizo (?) boy:
^ Hardly need to stress how no Spaniard EVER has this look.

Probably before mass immigration in 19th century Argentina had same ethnic composition as Paraguay.


is there anyone who can pass as full euro?

i think this people is interesting because as you say...argentina changed a lot after 1869...

[SupaThug]

This guy looks like a quadroon/octoroon

Considering that he is from Argentina,it's unlikely that he is a quadroon or a octoroon!

[Argentano]

Considering that he is from Argentina,it's unlikely that he is a quadroon or a octoroon!

there used to be blacks here...and this people is colonial..they could have black admixture..

doesent he look black admixed to you?

[SupaThug]

there used to be blacks here...and this people is colonial..they could have black admixture..

doesent he look black admixed to you?

I am sorry for my ignorance!Were there blacks in Argentina?Seriously,I didn't know!I suppose that they were in there in small numbers,weren't they?

[Cristiano viejo]

Ridicolous figures for the black immigration in Argentina, and they usually (always better said) were slaves, not people like that man.
The pictures are old I insist.

[Argentano]

Ridicolous figures for the black immigration in Argentina, and they usually (always better said) were slaves, not people like that man.
The pictures are old I insist.


I am sorry for my ignorance!Were there blacks in Argentina?Seriously,I didn't know!I suppose that they were in there in small numbers,weren't they?


i think they were not rare before 1850...the thing is that even if the country was pure black...argentine born population was 1.5 millon in 1869..and then we recieved around 7 millon europeans after 1869...(of wich around 4.5 millon stayed...)...black blood was diluted to the 3- 4% on average we see today

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inmigraci%C3%B3n_en_Argentina#La_inmigraci.C3.B3n_ neta

[aherne]

is there anyone who can pass as full euro?


01-Engineer Arturo Bell & Arias
02-Commander Tomás Bell & Arias
06-Children Bell
07- Dr. Leonardo Saravia & Ortiz
08-María Bell Saravia de Anchorena.
09- Adela Saravia & Mendilaharzu
10- Arturo Bell.