I've got My Ancestry DNA results back!!

[Gooding]

FINALLY! Here, I am listed as being 100% European.
I am 45% Europe West
28% Ireland
13% Scandinavia
6% Iberian Peninsula
8% Trace Regions
4% Great Britain (!!)
3% Europe East
<1% Finland, Northwestern Russia

[Alessio]

And now your Gedmatch results.

[Gooding]

I'll work on that tomorrow after work. I'm headed to bed now..

[Gooding]

Here is something from the EU test.. exactly the same results as my 23andMe, apparently..
EUtest 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

EUtest Oracle population reference data revised 06 Nov 2012.

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.37
2 ATLANTIC 24.75
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 15.33
4 WEST_MED 14.28
5 EAST_EURO 10.50
6 EAST_MED 4.50
7 WEST_ASIAN 3.20
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.07


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 NL @ 3.940077
2 West_&_Central_German @ 4.458566
3 English @ 5.706135
4 Cornish @ 5.896578
5 Orcadian @ 7.806594
6 DK @ 8.087297
7 IE @ 8.782424
8 NO @ 9.456665
9 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 9.682929
10 FR @ 9.735279
11 AT @ 10.130626
12 Scottish @ 10.232270
13 North_Swedish @ 13.565442
14 HU @ 16.005760
15 PT @ 18.107880
16 ES @ 18.668783
17 Serbian @ 19.631161
18 South_Finnish @ 21.912994
19 North_Italian @ 22.008343
20 RO @ 22.781534

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% FR +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.174368


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% FR +25% South_&_Central_Swedish +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.174368


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 FR + FR + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.174368
2 FR + FR + NO + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.516000
3 AT + English + FR + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.804471
4 FR + NL + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.837343
5 AT + Cornish + FR + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.858151
6 FR + FR + North_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.864907
7 AT + English + FR + NO @ 2.871443
8 ES + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.873910
9 FR + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish + West_&_Central_German @ 2.881293
10 FR + FR + NO + NO @ 2.901715
11 ES + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish + West_&_Central_German @ 2.908289
12 AT + Cornish + FR + NO @ 2.978632
13 FR + FR + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.004059
14 DK + FR + FR + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.015441
15 Cornish + FR + South_&_Central_Swedish + West_&_Central_German @ 3.024919
16 FR + South_&_Central_Swedish + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 3.036024
17 AT + FR + NL + NO @ 3.060244
18 AT + FR + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.063285
19 FR + NL + NL + NL @ 3.072817
20 Cornish + FR + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.081910

Done.

Elapsed time 0.0821 seconds.

[Gooding]

Same for the J Test.
Jtest 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Jtest Oracle population reference data revised 06 Nov 2012.

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.12
2 ATLANTIC 24.24
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 15.27
4 WEST_MED 13.64
5 EAST_EURO 10.24
6 ASHKENAZI 3.98
7 EAST_MED 3.05
8 WEST_ASIAN 2.64


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 NL @ 4.002643
2 West_&_Central_German @ 4.633702
3 English @ 5.663945
4 Cornish @ 5.841100
5 Orcadian @ 7.699797
6 DK @ 7.930160
7 IE @ 8.757609
8 NO @ 9.234984
9 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 9.510994
10 FR @ 9.735058
11 Scottish @ 10.021007
12 AT @ 10.260526
13 North_Swedish @ 13.707823
14 HU @ 16.046175
15 PT @ 17.888458
16 ES @ 18.457184
17 Serbian @ 19.732914
18 South_Finnish @ 21.464258
19 North_Italian @ 22.010698
20 RO @ 22.834467

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% FR +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.224365


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% FR +25% South_&_Central_Swedish +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.224365


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 FR + FR + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.224365
2 FR + FR + NO + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.512824
3 AT + English + FR + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.848613
4 FR + FR + NO + NO @ 2.872235
5 AT + English + FR + NO @ 2.898495
6 AT + Cornish + FR + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.906533
7 ES + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.908066
8 FR + NL + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.914968
9 FR + FR + North_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.922727
10 DK + FR + FR + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.989960
11 ES + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish + West_&_Central_German @ 3.001757
12 AT + Cornish + FR + NO @ 3.008801
13 FR + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish + West_&_Central_German @ 3.011169
14 Cornish + FR + South_&_Central_Swedish + West_&_Central_German @ 3.067612
15 Cornish + FR + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.080996
16 AT + FR + Orcadian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.093606
17 FR + FR + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.102851
18 Cornish + PT + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.105359
19 English + ES + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.109835
20 FR + FR + NO + North_Swedish @ 3.120112

Done.

Elapsed time 0.1567 seconds.

[Grace O'Malley]

FINALLY! Here, I am listed as being 100% European.
I am 45% Europe West
28% Ireland
13% Scandinavia
6% Iberian Peninsula
8% Trace Regions
4% Great Britain (!!)
3% Europe East
<1% Finland, Northwestern Russia

I'm not sure what to make of this. I wonder how they label genes as exclusively from Ireland as I don't think you can do this. The only distinctive thing about the Irish is that they have less recent continental input than the English but they are all basically from the same gene pool with South East England having more continental input from places like the Benelux, Anglo-Saxons etc. So I wouldn't take the fact that you have 28% genetic input from Ireland as actually Irish. Possibly some of your Scots ancestry is being labelled Irish.

[Gooding]

I'm not sure what to make of this. I wonder how they label genes as exclusively from Ireland as I don't think you can do this. The only distinctive thing about the Irish is that they have less recent continental input than the English but they are all basically from the same gene pool with South East England having more continental input from places like the Benelux, Anglo-Saxons etc. So I wouldn't take the fact that you have 28% genetic input from Ireland as actually Irish. Possibly some of your Scots ancestry is being labelled Irish.
Due to Scotland and Ireland's close history over the centuries, I'm inclined to agree. I have a distant cousin, a McDonald in the male line, who reads as 44% Ireland in his Ancestry DNA. Most of the members of Clan Donald have Irish genetic input, with a small minority having Norwegian/ Icelandic genes.

[Grace O'Malley]

Due to Scotland and Ireland's close history over the centuries, I'm inclined to agree. I have a distant cousin, a McDonald in the male line, who reads as 44% Ireland in his Ancestry DNA. Most of the members of Clan Donald have Irish genetic input, with a small minority having Norwegian/ Icelandic genes.

That's why I think that British Isles would be a much more accurate way to label instead of splitting Ireland/Great Britain. The reason why I think this is some people that are not so sure of their ancestry that have tested at Ancestry think they are Irish when this might be inaccurate. It can be misleading for people who want to know where they come from. Possibly in the future they might be able to pinpoint regions better but they can't do this at the moment.

[Gooding]

That's why I think that British Isles would be a much more accurate way to label instead of splitting Ireland/Great Britain. The reason why I think this is some people that are not so sure of their ancestry that have tested at Ancestry think they are Irish when this might be inaccurate. It can be misleading for people who want to know where they come from. Possibly in the future they might be able to pinpoint regions better but they can't do this at the moment.

Here's a link to my page.. it provides an explanation of how they come up with various comparisons to establish these links .http://dna.ancestry.com/#/ethnicity/61F9FBC2-6FC4-4D12-A737-F5DE4ADB71BB

[Gooding]

In all honesty, I was more surprised to see Great Britain as a Trace Region and the Iberian Peninsula as a major ( I guess anything over 5% is a major) genetic locale. A lot of my French ancestry does come from the South, so that might provide an explanation.

[Grace O'Malley]

I can't get into that because it is password protected. I wish I could get my dna tested at Ancestry just out of curiosity but it is only available to people in the US. I've had my brother's done at FTDNA and he comes out 100% British Isles and I'm waiting for mine to be done which should be in 1-2 weeks. It will be interesting to see if I get the same result as him. I've had mine done at 23andMe as well.

[Grace O'Malley]

In all honesty, I was more surprised to see Great Britain as a Trace Region and the Iberian Peninsula as a major ( I guess anything over 5% is a major) genetic locale. A lot of my French ancestry does come from the South, so that might provide an explanation.

Yes that is interesting. I think a lot of people get these sort of combinations such as a percentage of Iberian and Scandinavian etc. The Irish seem to get the most bland AC I've seen out of any nationality.

[Gooding]

Removed.

[Gooding]

I can't get into that because it is password protected. I wish I could get my dna tested at Ancestry just out of curiosity but it is only available to people in the US. I've had my brother's done at FTDNA and he comes out 100% British Isles and I'm waiting for mine to be done which should be in 1-2 weeks. It will be interesting to see if I get the same result as him. I've had mine done at 23andMe as well.

You probably will get the same results as he did. I tried to copy what was on my ancestry page, but it came out taking too much space for the words and numbers typed, so I removed it.

[Gooding]

Yes that is interesting. I think a lot of people get these sort of combinations such as a percentage of Iberian and Scandinavian etc. The Irish seem to get the most bland AC I've seen out of any nationality.

I don't know. Your people have managed to hold on to their Celtic heritage with a tenacity that can really only be admired. Maybe it seems bland because it's so normal that it's taken for granted, like people with British Isles ancestry over here. It's so usual and regular, people look for other ancestral strains to identify with.

[Gooding]

Anyway, I've done all the spitting into a test tube that I care to do. I'm glad that 23andMe and Ancestry DNA have those services available and that gedmatch can corroborate that they both used the right sample in determining me.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't know. Your people have managed to hold on to their Celtic heritage with a tenacity that can really only be admired. Maybe it seems bland because it's so normal that it's taken for granted, like people with British Isles ancestry over here. It's so usual and regular, people look for other ancestral strains to identify with.

I mean bland because most Irish get over 90% British Isles and possibly some general Northern European. My brother got 96.8% British and Irish and the rest just Northern European. My mother got the most varied result with 4.6% French & German of which I got 2.6% but otherwise that's it. Every other nationality I've seen get quite a varied result even Scandinavians who I would have thought to be not very admixed. I'm a bit puzzled by it.

Also getting back to your results it is strange that you only get 4% from Britain when that is where most of your ancestry is from. I just think they aren't very good yet at pinpointing dna but in a general way.

[Gooding]

I mean bland because most Irish get over 90% British Isles and possibly some general Northern European. My brother got 96.8% British and Irish and the rest just Northern European. My mother got the most varied result with 4.6% French & German of which I got 2.6% but otherwise that's it. Every other nationality I've seen get quite a varied result even Scandinavians who I would have thought to be not very admixed. I'm a bit puzzled by it.

Also getting back to your results it is strange that you only get 4% from Britain when that is where most of your ancestry is from. I just think they aren't very good yet at pinpointing dna but in a general way.

I thought that strange too, so I did some investigating. :) " Other Regions commonly seen in people native to the Great Britain Region." Ireland: 55%, Europe West: 49%, Scandinavia, 45%, Iberian Peninsula, 24%. Apparently, I'm not that " special" in that regard. I think I wrote earlier about my fancy that the UK was pretty much the " melting pot" of Europe. Anyway, Ancestry DNA has pretty much answered some questions left open by 23andMe regarding my " General Northern European 22.2%" and " General European 1%" readings.

[Grace O'Malley]

I thought that strange too, so I did some investigating. :) " Other Regions commonly seen in people native to the Great Britain Region." Ireland: 55%, Europe West: 49%, Scandinavia, 45%, Iberian Peninsula, 24%. Apparently, I'm not that " special" in that regard. I think I wrote earlier about my fancy that the UK was pretty much the " melting pot" of Europe. Anyway, Ancestry DNA has pretty much answered some questions left open by 23andMe regarding my " General Northern European 22.2%" and " General European 1%" readings.

Northern France, Netherlands, Scandinavians all get mixes of British & Irish, French & German and Scandinavian in their AC in 23andMe so they all appear to be various mixes. A lot of them get some small amount of Iberian as well.

[Gooding]

I'd been reading about genetics and how sometimes little bits of DNA simply " drop off" ( it's a snow day) and I've been doing a little arithmetic regarding these new readings for m ( I'm going to ignore the trace readings, as they are a little too small to consider. So, according to this, I read 45% Europe West, which is most common in Benelux, Germany, Switzerland, France and Austria. It's also found in England, Denmark, Italy and the Czech Republic. That would leave me genetically a little less than half Western European genetically. I read 28% Ireland, which is obviously most common in Ireland, Wales and Scotland, while it can be found also in England and France. That would be the equivalent of a grandparent with 3% extra. I read as 13% Scandinavian, the equivalent of a great- grandparent, maybe a little more, located primarily in Norway, Sweden and Denmark, while the readings are found also in Great Britain, France, Germany, Benelux, the Baltic States and Finland. Finally, I read as 6% Iberian Peninsula, which is most common in Spain and Portugal, while it's also found in France, Italy, Morocco and Algeria. That would be the equivalent of a great- great grandparent. I take this to mean that even before my ancestors left Europe, they were either refugees or wanderers from somewhere else. It also stands to reason that with the three centuries my people have lived in what is now the United States, plenty of DNA dropped away ( in terms of genomes) to leave the phenotype I now have. If I ever get to Europe, I'm going to have to pick up where I need to leave off here in America and find out ( if I can) exactly how much wandering my people did until they finally settled down before taking the overseas trip to the American Colonies.

[Augustus27]

I've had my Ancestry DNA results for a while now and I find it interesting that my results seem to be very similar to yours. I have 40% Europe West, 36% Ireland, and 8% Scandinavia. After that, you just have to switch Iberian Peninsula with Europe East (8% for me). Perhaps we have a similar genetic background?

[Gooding]

I've had my Ancestry DNA results for a while now and I find it interesting that my results seem to be very similar to yours. I have 40% Europe West, 36% Ireland, and 8% Scandinavia. After that, you just have to switch Iberian Peninsula with Europe East (8% for me). Perhaps we have a similar genetic background?

I wouldn't doubt that in the least, Augustus27. :) I think a lot of us share similar genetics, particularly we of European descent in North America.

[Augustus27]

I wouldn't doubt that in the least, Augustus27. :) I think a lot of us share similar genetics, particularly we of European descent in North America.

Curiously have you taken other autosomal DNA tests, such as 23andMe or FTDNA My Origins? Also (forgive me if you mentioned this earlier in this thread), did you results seem to coincide with your known ancestry?

[Gooding]

Curiously have you taken other autosomal DNA tests, such as 23andMe or FTDNA My Origins? Also (forgive me if you mentioned this earlier in this thread), did you results seem to coincide with your known ancestry?

I had taken the 23andMe test before, yes. My results were 56.5% British and Irish, 16.0% French and German, 3.3% Scandinavian and .3% Finnish. I also had 22.2% Broadly Northern European and .3% Broadly Southern European and 1.0% Broadly European. I was also listed as having .2% Native American and .2% SSA blood. I was not expecting Great Britain to be a Trace Region, as much of my known ancestry is from there, but after reading ancestry.com's explanations, apparently 49% of the natives of the Great Britain region read as Europe West and so I feel a little better about it. My Scandinavian and Irish readings were higher than I thought they would be and I wasn't expecting Finland to be in the equation at all. Seeing as how Finland made a mention on both ancestryDNA and 23andMe, I can cheerfully say I've got a miniscule amount of Baltic Finnish blood. :) My paper trail leads back to England, Glengarry in Scotland, Northern Ireland, 1/8 French Cajun and a little bit of German and Swiss scattered on both sides of my family. Europe West and Great Britain are adjoining regions and apparently there'd been a good deal of admixture ( as you probably know as well), so there you have the reading.

[Gooding]

It is to bump.

[Grace O'Malley]

I received my FTDNA results today and I got 100% British Isles so your results look wonderfully exotic to me. :)

[Augustus27]

I received my FTDNA results today and I got 100% British Isles so your results look wonderfully exotic to me. :)

I think that many people who have "New World" British ancestry, tend to have a healthy combination of Great Britain, Europe West, Scandinavia, and Ireland. All of those four regions make up many people of British descent in the NA, Australia, etc.

[Gooding]

I received my FTDNA results today and I got 100% British Isles so your results look wonderfully exotic to me. :)

Thanks, Grace, but honestly, I feel like little more than a descendant of some Germanic serf who trembled for his life every time his Carolingian baron shouted at him. :ranger:

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

That's why I think that British Isles would be a much more accurate way to label instead of splitting Ireland/Great Britain. The reason why I think this is some people that are not so sure of their ancestry that have tested at Ancestry think they are Irish when this might be inaccurate. It can be misleading for people who want to know where they come from. Possibly in the future they might be able to pinpoint regions better but they can't do this at the moment.

Yeah I prefer actual records over DNA testing. DNA testing is interesting, but it isn't 100% accurate. If you really want to know your background do not take a DNA test...if you are interested in what it might have to say go for it but if it says you are this or that don't go around claiming it! Unless you have actual records.

[Alessio]

Yeah I prefer actual records over DNA testing. DNA testing is interesting, but it isn't 100% accurate. If you really want to know your background do not take a DNA test...if you are interested in what it might have to say go for it but if it says you are this or that don't go around claiming it! Unless you have actual records.

Records/papertrail are a joke when considering the chance that one ancestor could be a case of false paternity, what would cause the whole thing to collapse. Based on that chance alone DNA-testing can provide a very good picture of ones ancestry.

[Cody Gearhart]

hey speaking of this i have been searching for company that is doing what you guys are talking about. looking for one that can do mine within the last 100-200 years. does anyone know? would 23andme be a good one? i did geno 2.0 but wasn't satisfied about it at all.

[Gooding]

I received my FTDNA results today and I got 100% British Isles so your results look wonderfully exotic to me. :)

Good on you in receiving your family Tree DNA results back, as well! :thumb001:

[Cody Gearhart]

or hell even earlier i guess if thats even possible?

[Jackson]

Yeah I prefer actual records over DNA testing. DNA testing is interesting, but it isn't 100% accurate. If you really want to know your background do not take a DNA test...if you are interested in what it might have to say go for it but if it says you are this or that don't go around claiming it! Unless you have actual records.

This is important, genetics should be used to supplement genaeology really. It's a bad idea to neglect looking at who ones ancestors actually were and constructing an identity purely off of one's genetic tests, i think you need a paper ancestry to make full sense of it.

NPE's do happen, but they are not super-common. Of course if you go far back enough everyone will have multiple NPE's, but that may only account for a small percentage of their overall ancestry.

[Gooding]

Records/papertrail are a joke when considering the chance that one ancestor could be a case of false paternity, what would cause the whole thing to collapse. Based on that chance alone DNA-testing can provide a very good picture of ones ancestry.
That's a good point, Alessio. With the data I have from 23andMe, coupled with the data I have from AncestryDNA, my daughter and some other interested members of my family will know a bit more about our ancestry now than we did before. At first, I thought that 23andMe would be enough, but that 22.2% Broadly Northern European, .3% Broadly Southern European and 1% Broadly European just seemed to me to be too vague. AncestryDNA was a little more thorough. The fact that they also explain how they conduct their research and make their comparisons is also extremely reassuring.

[Gooding]

hey speaking of this i have been searching for company that is doing what you guys are talking about. looking for one that can do mine within the last 100-200 years. does anyone know? would 23andme be a good one? i did geno 2.0 but wasn't satisfied about it at all.
I'd recommend 23andMe to start. Once you get started though, you might want to get more than one test done, to corroborate not only the first test, but your paper trail as well. I recommend doing some research into the whole thing, too. Both 23andMe and AncestryDNA offer videos and links detailing their research.

[Cody Gearhart]

I'd recommend 23andMe to start. Once you get started though, you might want to get more than one test done, to corroborate not only the first test, but your paper trail as well. I recommend doing some research into the whole thing, too. Both 23andMe and AncestryDNA offer videos and links detailing their research.

i do know my moms side though. it's my dads side i am wanting to know about. I keep getting different answers based on looks from my dads pictures. i'll give 23andme a go though!

[Gooding]

i do know my moms side though. it's my dads side i am wanting to know about. I keep getting different answers based on looks from my dads pictures. i'll give 23andme a go though!

Good luck in your research! I also wanted to fill in some gaps in my family history. I didn't know much ( and I still don't) about my paternal grandmother's family history. Obviously I still don't, but I know a little more about my identity.

[Alessio]

That's a good point, Alessio. With the data I have from 23andMe, coupled with the data I have from AncestryDNA, my daughter and some other interested members of my family will know a bit more about our ancestry now than we did before. At first, I thought that 23andMe would be enough, but that 22.2% Broadly Northern European, .3% Broadly Southern European and 1% Broadly European just seemed to me to be too vague. AncestryDNA was a little more thorough. The fact that they also explain how they conduct their research and make their comparisons is also extremely reassuring.

i also want to order a kit from AncestryDNA but I can't order from here in The Netherlands as they don't send to Europe from what I know.

[Gooding]

i also want to order a kit from AncestryDNA but I can't order from here in The Netherlands as they don't send to Europe from what I know.

I'm surprised that AncestryDNA doesn't have a counterpart in Europe ( like AncestryDNA Europe or something), considering its reputation and successes.

[Gooding]

This article goes a long way in explaining why I got the results I did on ancestry: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3000998/Are-Welsh-truest-Brits-English-genomes-contain-German-French-DNA-Romans-left-no-trace.html Apparently, the Germans contributed nearly a quarter of much of modern English DNA and the French nearly 45%. That, with my Scottish ancestry explaining to some extent the preponderance of Irish and Scandinavian blood ( with the Iberian possibly being attributable to my southern French heritage or maybe even my English blood) sort of solves this AncestryDNA " mystery."

[Gooding]

That might also be useful to anyone else who gets unexpected readings in their DNA results.