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Eldritch
05-08-2010, 01:16 PM
http://yle.fi/ecepic/archive/00307/Maahanmuuttaja_ty_l_307697b.jpgOriginally from Turkey, Erkan Uzun has run a pizzeria in Helsinki for the past ten years.

Significant differences exist in the employment situation for immigrants of different nationalities in Finland. The highest rates of unemployment are found among Somalis, Iraqis and Afghans who arrived as refugees. Annika Forsander, who is Director of Immigration Affairs for the City of Helsinki, is especially critical of employer discrimination against Somalis.

Figures from Statistics Finland show that unemployment rates vary greatly according to nationality. Refugees top the list of those without jobs. For example, the rate of unemployment for Somalis, Iraqis and Afghans is over 50%. That they ended up in Finland, in many cases, was a matter of chance and finding a way into the job market can take years.

The Director of Immigration Affairs for the City of Helsinki, Annika Forsander, is dismayed by the position of Somalis in the Finnish capital. In other countries, Somali immigrants have integrated well into society.

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"Discrimination is clearly the big reason why Somalis have not been able to enter the job market. Of those who have been here 15 to 20 years, half have completed degrees in Finland. Not even that helps," says Forsander.

Language skills are often used as an excuse by employers to turn down foreign job applicants.

"If someone has been able to complete a degree using Finnish, it is hard to accuse him or her of lacking language skills," Forsander points out.

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The rate of unemployment among native, ethnic Finns is 8.7%. There are some smaller groups of foreign residents whose unemployment rate is even lower. For example, unemployment among Indians and Nepalese is 7%. Also, immigrants from other Western countries do well in the job market.

According to Annika Forsander, foreigners in this category have usually moved to Finland for jobs.

"For example, among the Indians there are many who come to work in the IT sector, and also many entrepreneurs," Forsander explains.

Unemployment among Finland's largest foreign community, Russians, is around 28%. As a group, the Russian community is very heterogeneous.

Because of difficulties in finding a job, resident foreigners often start their own business.

The most entrepreneurial group is Turks. One third of residents of Turkish origin run their own businesses. Among native Finns, that figure is only 10%.

Link. (http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2010/05/major_unemployment_differences_among_immigrant_gro ups_1663217.html)

Agrippa
05-08-2010, 01:29 PM
Also quite interesting to me are certain "traditional immigrant" groups in various countries. In some European countries thats connected to the "guest worker" programs in the middle of the of 20th century or former colonies, but now I ask myself why so many Somalis came to Finland and Sweden?

What caused that? Just chance? Some managed it to get there and others followed? Laws?

Same for Iraqis.

Because I have a lot of immigrants in my area, but most are the typical immigrants we have for decades, Gypsies and otherwise a "colorful" mix of various people, unfortunately many Nigerians and other Subsaharn Africans.

Somalis too, but not that much like it seems to be in Fennoscandia.

I just wondered about the distribution...

Eldritch
05-09-2010, 09:06 PM
... now I ask myself why so many Somalis came to Finland and Sweden?

What caused that? Just chance? Some managed it to get there and others followed? Laws?

Basically, a combination of lax immigration laws (easily to get asylum/residence permit) plus generous welfare systems. Somalis are notoriously greedy and opportunistic, and they are constantly seeking out new pastures to ravage and then move on.

Agrippa
05-10-2010, 10:55 AM
Basically, a combination of lax immigration laws (easily to get asylum/residence permit) plus generous welfare systems. Somalis are notoriously greedy and opportunistic, and they are constantly seeking out new pastures to ravage and then move on.

So no special reason otherwise. Ok, thanks.

In the end, I dont blame them alone actually, because like all they just use and abuse opportunities, one way or another. The problem is a system which actually invites others to use and abuse it.

The right for Asylum should be abolished or if it lives on, only for a greater regions.

F.e. when Croatians and Serbs etc. came to my country during the war in Yugoslavia, nobody liked that, but to me it was ok, because they were at least neighbours in understandable difficulties.

Now if someone lives in an Islamic or black African region, I dont get it while he has to flee to Europe, he should go to the neighbouring countries.

Actually Europeans could even help them in their refugee camps, but not taking them, especially not in a way which means de facto immigration, but at best in closed camps for the time we search for a better place for them.