Americans helping archaeologists unearth Roman ruins in German

[Liffrea]

WIESBADEN, Germany — American history buffs are teaming up with German archaeologists to unearth remnants of an ancient Roman settlement before construction crews begin work on an Army housing project adjacent to Wiesbaden Army Airfield.

Members of the Hessen archaeology team are inviting Americans to join them through the end of June to finish their excavation and studies of the area before the start of a $133 million Army Corps of Engineers project.

So far, archaeologists have discovered artifacts from a Roman farming settlement dating to the first century, and they have recently found remnants dating back to the Bronze Age.

A geographical survey of the area was required before road construction for the housing area could begin, and archaeologists suspected they would find some artifacts because of the area’s setting, its proximity to Mainz, once a major Roman settlement, and the results of previous studies. Excavation on the site began last year.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=69861

[RoyBatty]

It would be more help to Germany if the American occupiers went home.

[Piparskeggr]

It would be more help to Germany if the American occupiers went home.

We share similar thoughts; Germany is a friend and ally, last time I checked.

However, the archaeology is still very interesting.

[SwordoftheVistula]

It would be more help to Germany if the American occupiers went home.

More the reverse, the US spends billions of dollars there per year for the bases, which of course the US would be better off without this, but it does provide a benefit to the German economy.

[Agrippa]

More the reverse, the US spends billions of dollars there per year for the bases, which of course the US would be better off without this, but it does provide a benefit to the German economy.

Germany pays directly and indirectly for the USA anyway and you could say its not just geostrategically useful and helps to control the German people, but is also an employment-creation measure for the American people.

But as long as they are there, its good that the relations are fine and I have no hatred for normal Americans which behave, its a political question.

[RoyBatty]

More the reverse, the US spends billions of dollars there per year for the bases, which of course the US would be better off without this, but it does provide a benefit to the German economy.

You're confusing Germany with Haiti, Liberia or Costa Rica.

Germany doesn't need "US Billions" in Monopoly Credits to keep its economy afloat. Germany is a scientifically advanced 1st World country. It exports more manufactured goods than the USA does.

The US occupation is probably costing Germany billions of EURO's in lost revenues since the US occupiers and its German puppet regime interfere in who Germany may or may not do business with, for example, Iran.

The "bad" USSR left Germany 20 years ago yet the self-styled "good" USA won't. Results not excuses are what counts. Time to go home.

[Agrippa]

Not to forget that in this "relations" the USA can keep up the huge military machine "to threaten world" while the FRG just pays and pays for the plutocratic plans, but being, relative to other major powers, almost helpless in the situation of a conflict.

[SwordoftheVistula]

The US occupation is probably costing Germany billions of EURO's in lost revenues since the US occupiers and its German puppet regime interfere in who Germany may or may not do business with, for example, Iran.

That's a domestic decision by Germany. Iraq, which unlike Germany could reasonably be argued to be 'occupied by the US', is on much more friendly terms with Iran than before the US arrived. Ahmenidijad speaks before their parliament, etc.


Not to forget that in this "relations" the USA can keep up the huge military machine "to threaten world" while the FRG just pays and pays for the plutocratic plans, but being, relative to other major powers, almost helpless in the situation of a conflict.

The reverse. The defense budget of Germany ($46 billion) is a fraction of the US defense budget ($607 billion). If not for US bases there, Germany would have had to spend much more on defense since the end of WWII.


Germany pays directly and indirectly for the USA anyway and you could say its not just geostrategically useful and helps to control the German people, but is also an employment-creation measure for the American people.

They'd be employed no matter if they were in Germany or some other country or here in the US. As to 'control the German people', that is just a ridiculous conspiracy theory which makes no sense. Maybe the military bases house secret mind control lasers?

[Agrippa]

The reverse. The defense budget of Germany ($46 billion) is a fraction of the US defense budget ($607 billion). If not for US bases there, Germany would have had to spend much more on defense since the end of WWII.

Oh, who has the trade balance deficit? Who gets the tributes through the crappy dollars?


Germany would have had to spend much more on defense since the end of WWII

Yeah, but this would have been OUR army then! And how much we spend OUR decision. Not financing the plutocrat's army with our work.

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by SwordoftheVistula
Maybe the military bases house secret mind control lasers?

I don’t expect to hear from Sword anymore, the CIA have probably done him by now.

I’m just thankful he never mentioned the Nazi cloning facilities and the army of mini me Hitler’s being created.:D

[RoyBatty]

That's a domestic decision by Germany. Iraq, which unlike Germany could reasonably be argued to be 'occupied by the US', is on much more friendly terms with Iran than before the US arrived. Ahmenidijad speaks before their parliament, etc.

But my dear Sword of the Vistula, you're completely missing the point. There is no such thing as a "German domestic decision". Germany is under occupation and hence German Administrations, Policies, Decisions, Laws and so forth are all subservient to the diktats of the Occupying Masters. :thumbs up

Yes I do understand that there are many obedient "Germans" who respond to their conditioning just as Uncle Sam and Uncle Moshe intended and who therefore carry out Zionist friendly plans and policies under "own initiative".

Yes it is also true that there is a little bit of leeway to make so-called "independent" decisions but don't confuse this with National Sovereignty because in Germany's case THIS DOESN'T EXIST.

Occupied countries are not independent countries. Occupying forces are not friends. They are like those troublesome guests who overstay their welcome and refuse to leave whilst reminding their long-suffering hosts "what good friends we are".

The choices are pretty simple. Part as "friends" or stay as occupiers.

[Allenson]

Yeah, I'd say it's high-time we pull out of Germany...

At this point, it seems likely to me that US military officials see these bases as jumping-off points for potential entanglements futher east than they do as some kind of supression/occupation of Germany.

[Agrippa]

Yeah, I'd say it's high-time we pull out of Germany...

At this point, it seems likely to me that US military officials see these bases as jumping-off points for potential entanglements futher east than they do as some kind of supression/occupation of Germany.

Of course, they played a vital part in various recent war efforts of the US of A.

[Cato]

Rewind to 1870-1871, should the Germans pull out of France? :P Or to 1914-1918, or to 1939-1945, same nation, same country occupied. :P

[SwordoftheVistula]

Of course, they played a vital part in various recent war efforts of the US of A.

Because they have the most advanced medical facilities in the hemisphere, as well as air bases and other advanced infrastructure. That's the main reason the US has not given up the bases, is they have invested so much money in them already. Not any conspiracy theories such as this:


But my dear Sword of the Vistula, you're completely missing the point. There is no such thing as a "German domestic decision". Germany is under occupation and hence German Administrations, Policies, Decisions, Laws and so forth are all subservient to the diktats of the Occupying Masters.

Yes I do understand that there are many obedient "Germans" who respond to their conditioning just as Uncle Sam and Uncle Moshe intended and who therefore carry out Zionist friendly plans and policies under "own initiative".

Yes it is also true that there is a little bit of leeway to make so-called "independent" decisions but don't confuse this with National Sovereignty because in Germany's case THIS DOESN'T EXIST.

Occupied countries are not independent countries. Occupying forces are not friends. They are like those troublesome guests who overstay their welcome and refuse to leave whilst reminding their long-suffering hosts "what good friends we are".


Oddly enough, all the globalist, anti-racist, and socialist concepts have come from Germany and the rest of continental Europe to the US, not the other way around. Obama is viewed as the 'most European' president. Jewish supreme court justices cite laws from Germany and the rest of continental Europe to eliminate laws banning homosexuality and allowing the death penalty for rapists and murderers under the age of 18 or who have low IQs, not the other way around.

Have you ever taken a look at the labor laws in Germany, as compared to the US?




Oh, who has the trade balance deficit? Who gets the tributes through the crappy dollars?

Germany has a surplus trade balance with the US-by that logic, Germany occupies and controls the US.




Yeah, but this would have been OUR army then! And how much we spend OUR decision. Not financing the plutocrat's army with our work.

We hear similar complaints from food stamp and WIC recipients (forms of welfare which may be only used to purchase certain products). If you want to make the decisions, start paying your own way.

[Agrippa]

Oddly enough, all the globalist, anti-racist, and socialist concepts have come from Germany and the rest of continental Europe to the US, not the other way around.

Continental Europe was the birth place of many ideas and ideologies of course, many of which shaped the US of A, thats just natural.

But Cultural Marxism might have been born in Germany, by Marxists and some of which Jews, but it never made it here. It was the US which accepted that dirt and sent it back with force.

So dont blame Continental Europe.

[Bloodeagle]

Has the German Government ever asked the American military to leave Germany?
Would the Americans leave if asked? ;)
I do not believe it is a friendly gesture to maintain our military in Germany.
It seems to me that what was originally an occupying force after the defeat of the Nazis has remained on German soil to protect the rest of Europe from the Germans.

Members of the Hessen archaeology team are inviting Americans to join them through the end of June to finish their excavation and studies of the area before the start of a $133 million Army Corps of Engineers project.

The title of this article led me to believe that these Americans were actual Archaeologists. :confused:

This Quote from another article cleared it up for me:

After having spent several months in the fall and spring sifting through soil which revealed several Roman wells, the foundations of a villa rustica (Roman farm complex) and various artifacts, members of the Hessen archaeology team put out a call for volunteers in the U.S. community to join in the documentary project.

"We write history from what we excavate," said Claus Bergmann, excavation project leader with the Hessen Archaeology Office, while welcoming a group of U.S. military community volunteers April 19 to the dig site. He and fellow archaeologist Marcus Jae described the work up to that point, several finds including evidence of earlier Bronze and Iron Age settlements, and the expansion of the Roman Empire into the region more than 2,000 years ago.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Has the German Government ever asked the American military to leave Germany?
Would the Americans leave if asked? ;)

The Philippines asked the US military to leave, and it did, although with some grumbling over the money invested there

[Cato]

The leftist intellectual dingbats got ran out of Europe proper, such as when the Hitlerites tossed them all out of Germany, and many of them fled to the US or the UK, where their tendrils have been allowed to snake about for decades- in the US and beyond.

[RoyBatty]

Oddly enough, all the globalist, anti-racist, and socialist concepts have come from Germany and the rest of continental Europe to the US, not the other way around. Obama is viewed as the 'most European' president. Jewish supreme court justices cite laws from Germany and the rest of continental Europe to eliminate laws banning homosexuality and allowing the death penalty for rapists and murderers under the age of 18 or who have low IQs, not the other way around.

Have you ever taken a look at the labor laws in Germany, as compared to the US?


My views on this are similar to Agrippa's. It's true that many of these ideologies originated in Europe but the difference is that this nonsense was suppressed in Europe (at least until the end of WW2) whilst it was embraced by the US which proceeded to export it around the globe with extreme prejudice.

Naturally an Occupied and Controlled country such as Germany provides an excellent platform for the implementation of these ideologies, after all, what resistance can the average sheep put up against a hostile owned and controlled media, a controlled political system, a secret service which monitors "unauthorised" type activities, courts which will mercilessly hand out maximum jailtime for thought criminals and so forth?

Once your society is this controlled by the Occupiers and various special interests elites it's always going to be an uphill struggle to break those chains of enslavement.

I agree with your criticisms of liberalism emanating from Germany but the paradox here is that the Occupation helps to prop up those forces of liberalism which is used to infect neighbouring European countries and even spills over to the US again.

[SwordoftheVistula]

That's their domestic 'Social Democrat' political machine which does that.

If it was really 'occupied by Americans' it would be full of mega-churches, 24 hour stores (most stores in Germany close early especially on weekends) and would not have the onerous labor laws that they have. The US doesn't have any political involvement there other than to beg for troops to be sent to Iraq (unsuccessfully) and Afghanistan (marginally successful)

[Agrippa]

That's their domestic 'Social Democrat' political machine which does that.

If it was really 'occupied by Americans' it would be full of mega-churches, 24 hour stores (most stores in Germany close early especially on weekends) and would not have the onerous labor laws that they have. The US doesn't have any political involvement there other than to beg for troops to be sent to Iraq (unsuccessfully) and Afghanistan (marginally successful)

Yeah sure, and the Federal Reserve System is just there to care for the people, stable money, prevent crisis and doing good in the world...