Classify Giorgios Samaras

[Alchemysta]

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article8913613.ece/alternates/w620/185478588.jpg
http://sillyseason.com/sites/default/files/article_images/1486976045_2758948584001_georgios-samaras-8924558.jpg
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Giorgios+Samaras+Greece+v+Croatia+5FI2oNs0Fmfl.jpg

[Tiberio]

Jesus Christ ;)

[Sikeliot]

He looks like some sort of Pontid or Atlanto-Med, with heavy Dinarid influence.

[Highlands]

Atlanto-Pontid/East Med.

[Ventoforte]

Pontid and Dinaro-Med, but more Pontid. It seems you're not as good picking the outliers from other countries as you are with Italy. How bizarre.

[Tiberio]

Pontid and Dinaro-Med, but more Pontid. It seems you're not as good picking the outliers from other countries as you are with Italy. How bizarre.

Strange eh?

[Bloodsport]

When I had long hair people told me I looked just like him lol. Dino Med/Pontid.

[Sikeliot]

If he was Cretan instead of Sicilian we'd be seeing photos of gypsy rallies in Iraklio titled CLASSIFY THIS GROUP.


The phenotypical and genetic overlap between the two islands is very strong.

[Bloodsport]

The phenotypical and genetic overlap between the two islands is very strong.

You're not being very consistent though. You say that Sicilians have some Levantine mixture which can make them dark, but you also say that Cretans can have very light eyes, and you also say that the absence of Levantine mix is what makes Greek islanders different to Cypriots.

For the record, Samaras is not 'Cretan' other than being born in Crete. His father is born in Melbourne and his grandfather, who someone in Australia I know knew, was from mainland Greece.

[Sikeliot]

You're not being very consistent though. You say that Sicilians have some Levantine mixture which can make them dark, but you also say that Cretans can have very light eyes, and you also say that the absence of Levantine mix is what makes Greek islanders different to Cypriots.

For the record, Samaras is not 'Cretan' other than being born in Crete. His father is born in Melbourne and his grandfather, who someone in Australia I know knew, was from mainland Greece.

Sicilians and Cretans have more Near Eastern admixture than mainland Greeks, but less than Cypriots. Thus they should be between the two. Despite genetics, both Sicily and Crete have a fair amount of light types, and more so than Cyprus has. I didn't say there is an "absence" of Levantine in Greek islanders (and by this I mean southern islanders, since the northern ones are more like the mainland), but there is less than in Cypriots and IMO it shows.

[Bloodsport]

This is his father, by the way, born in Melbourne, full 100% origins on the mainland:

http://www.trifylli.gr/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/samaras.jpg?18820c

[Sikeliot]

This is his father, by the way, born in Melbourne, full 100% origins on the mainland:

http://www.trifylli.gr/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/samaras.jpg?18820c

Heavily Dinarid.

[Tiberio]

This is his father, by the way, born in Melbourne, full 100% origins on the mainland:

http://www.trifylli.gr/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/samaras.jpg?18820c

Dinaro-Med

[Faklon]

Hellenas says:

Aegean med who can also be found in the mainland.

With cherrypicked pictures.

[Bloodsport]

Sicilians and Cretans have more Near Eastern admixture than mainland Greeks, but less than Cypriots. Thus they should be between the two. Despite genetics, both Sicily and Crete have a fair amount of light types, and more so than Cyprus has. I didn't say there is an "absence" of Levantine in Greek islanders (and by this I mean southern islanders, since the northern ones are more like the mainland), but there is less than in Cypriots and IMO it shows.

You're implying that Sicilians and Cretans are more alike than Cretans and Cypriots. I think any Greek member here would have strong opposition to that.

Additionally, I think that most Italians could probably tell the Sicilians and the Cretans apart despite their similarities.

[Sikeliot]

You're implying that Sicilians and Cretans are more alike than Cretans and Cypriots.

Genetically, yes they are. Cypriots also look like Levantines to me, Cretans look European as do Sicilians even though both do have some exotic people in their regions.

[Bloodsport]

Genetically, yes they are. Cypriots also look like Levantines to me, Cretans look European as do Sicilians even though both do have some exotic people in their regions.

I really can't be bothered with this anymore.

If you want to say that sitting 9,000+ KM away that's fine, I don't think you'll find many people from Greece or Italy who will agree with you though.

[Sikeliot]

I really can't be bothered with this anymore.

If you want to say that sitting 9,000+ KM away that's fine, I don't think you'll find many people from Greece or Italy who will agree with you though.

To which comment? Genetically, Sicilians and Cretans are closer, Cypriots not that distant but still distinct from both. Greek users can say "Cypriots are genetically pure Mycenaeans" and deny your Levantine ancestry, but that doesn't make it accurate nor true.

By the way, on a recent genetic tree type plot recently, Sicilians and southern Italians were on a branch with Cypriots, and the mainland Greeks separate. So I'd imagine Cretans would have been with them too.

[Sikeliot]

None of the three are genetically that different, but of the three, Cypriots are more distant from Cretans genetically than Sicilians are. That is a genetic fact. It's not my opinion, it is a fact.

[Tiberio]

This is his father, by the way, born in Melbourne, full 100% origins on the mainland:

http://www.trifylli.gr/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/samaras.jpg?18820c

This dude looks a bit like a catanese man who worked with me.

[Sikeliot]

This dude looks a bit like a catanese man who worked with me.

He looks familiar to me too, though I can't think of who. Someone related to me, that much I know.

[Tiberio]

To which comment? Genetically, Sicilians and Cretans are closer, Cypriots not that distant but still distinct from both. Greek users can say "Cypriots are genetically pure Mycenaeans" and deny your Levantine ancestry, but that doesn't make it accurate nor true.

By the way, on a recent genetic tree type plot recently, Sicilians and southern Italians were on a branch with Cypriots, and the mainland Greeks separate. So I'd imagine Cretans would have been with them too.

Which study you say?

[Sikeliot]

Which study you say?

On 23andme, all of the Sicilian and Cretan results plot in the same place on Global Similarity, and the Cypriots plot outside of the Southern European cluster. Also, on Dodecad, Eurogenes, and so on, Cretans always score "Sicilian" as one of their top 3 results, Cypriot always comes in much further down the list.

Now this isn't to say there are 0 differences between Crete and Sicily, but Cretans would be closer to Sicilians than to Cypriots genetically.

I can send you a bunch of Cretan results and show you on multiple calculators what they score.

[Bloodsport]

To which comment? Genetically, Sicilians and Cretans are closer, Cypriots not that distant but still distinct from both. Greek users can say "Cypriots are genetically pure Mycenaeans" and deny your Levantine ancestry, but that doesn't make it accurate nor true.

We are not talking about genetics here, we are talking about looks. You can't judge a population by some pictures on the internet or some dodgy pictures in nightclubs, you can only judge a population by seeing it in it's entirety when you are actually there. How many times my prejudices and pre-conceived notions were proved wrong when I actually got to travel to a place. If you landed in Cyprus from a Greek island you'd really know no different, almost all of the people look the same (not all, some are very exotic like I've stated), there are Greek flags everywhere, the cuisine, architecture, culture and way of life are exactly the same...the only differences you'd notice is we drive on the left (thanks to the British), we have a different dialect (which is still similar to Cretan Greek and very similar to the Greek spoken in places like Rhodes) and you'd notice some very exotic types, but if you saw them in Sicily you'd just say they were atypical....

The term 'Levantine' is too generic anyway, as Syrians, Israeli's, Iraqi's and Lebanese do NOT look a like. A lot of Christian Lebanese people I know from Beirut could pass in a lot of the Mediterranean as somewhat typical, if we share similarities with them then that's not really a surprise is it?

On top of that, I have always been, I think, very fair and stated that Cypriots are first and foremost Greeks with some west Asian input, primarily coming from Armenia and the Caucasus, not the Levant. Hellenised Maronite's don't count.

[Sikeliot]

We are not talking about genetics here, we are talking about looks. You can't judge a population by some pictures on the internet or some dodgy pictures in nightclubs, you can only judge a population by seeing it in it's entirety when you are actually there. How many times my prejudices and pre-conceived notions were proved wrong when I actually got to travel to a place. If you landed in Cyprus from a Greek island you'd really know no different, almost all of the people look the same (not all, some are very exotic like I've stated), there are Greek flags everywhere, the cuisine, architecture, culture and way of life are exactly the same...the only differences you'd notice is we drive on the left (thanks to the British), we have a different dialect (which is still similar to Cretan Greek and very similar to the Greek spoken in places like Rhodes) and you'd notice some very exotic types, but if you saw them in Sicily you'd just say they were atypical....

The term 'Levantine' is too generic anyway, as Syrians, Israeli's, Iraqi's and Lebanese do NOT look a like. A lot of Christian Lebanese people I know from Beirut could pass in a lot of the Mediterranean as somewhat typical, if we share similarities with them then that's not really a surprise is it?

On top of that, I have always been, I think, very fair and stated that Cypriots are first and foremost Greeks with some west Asian input, primarily coming from Armenia and the Caucasus, not the Levant. Hellenised Maronite's don't count.

Well if we are talking about looks, then I think southern Italians, Cretans, Dodecanese, Cypriots all share strong similarities, even if they can be distinguished on an individual level (for instance lighter Cretans and lighter Sicilians often look different as do some of the darker outliers in each). You've been to Sicily so you know this yourself.

I will see some Cypriot results on other calculators and see for myself, then. :)

[Casandrinos]

Hellenas Aegean med archetype

Though he is from North Greece xD

[Tiberio]

The term 'Levantine' is too generic anyway, as Syrians, Israeli's, Iraqi's and Lebanese do NOT look a like.

This is what i also think myself.

[Sikeliot]

This is what i also think myself.

I wonder if some Lebanese have some Norman ancestry very distantly from the Crusades. It might explain the rare outlier who looks 100% West Euro .

[Tooting Carmen]

This is what i also think myself.

(1) Iraqis are not Levantines - they are intermediate between them and Gulf Arabs. (2) Based on that logic, we should certainly stop talking about 'Europeans' - after all, Swedes and Maltese, except for the odd individual, look absolutely nothing alike.

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyway, Samaras is a Pontid-East Med mix.

[Tiberio]

(1) Iraqis are not Levantines - they are intermediate between them and Gulf Arabs. (2) Based on that logic, we should certainly stop talking about 'Europeans' - after all, Swedes and Maltese, except for the odd individual, look absolutely nothing alike.

For the crowd pictures i have seen Palestinians look darker than Lebanese.

[Tooting Carmen]

For the crowd pictures i have seen Palestinians look darker than Lebanese.

Only a little - it is probably akin to the difference between British and French people (perhaps not even to that extent).

[Sikeliot]

A lot of people in Gaza have some Egyptian ancestry, hence why they are much darker and at times even African influences are there.

[John Smith]

Your typical swarthy-hairy Southern European. :D

[Davy Jones's Locker]

Atlanto-Pontid/East Med.

Agree.

[Ice]

In some pictures he resembles me.. especially without facial hair.

[Danishmend]

Is he Pontus Greek?

[wvwvw]

A younger Samaras:

http://www.ask-resimleri.com/wp-content/uploads/giorgos-samaras-resimleri-5.jpeg

http://www.ask-resimleri.com/wp-content/uploads/giorgos-samaras-resimleri-5.jpeg

[Ice]

Is he Pontus Greek?

He must be.. otherwise i don't see any connection :d

[Odin]

Pontic-Med.

[Kivan]

Gracile-Med + slightly Dinarid.

[Farrukh Hormizd]

Pontid

[Ice]

pontid

[Corded]

Pontid/atlanto-med + dinarid

[Dimitri159]

Pontid Med and East Med mix. But his super thin & straight hair kinda throws it off. East Meds typical have thicker & wavy to curly hair.

[Immanenz]

Pred. Atlanto Med

[Dimitri159]

He’s from Crete.

[Dimitri159]

He’s from Crete.

[GoalPoacher]

East Med

[Zeno]

Pontid/Atlanto-Med.

[chociprasa]

Dinaro-Med mostly, possibly with minor Alpinid