Do these two South American sportsmen look part-Amerindian?

[Tooting Carmen]

Sikeliot thinks so, I don't agree.

Orlando Duque, Colombian diver
http://elpueblo.com.co/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/orlandoduque.jpghttp://rt.com/files/sport/cliff-diving-world-series-2012-duque-743/orlando-duque.jpghttp://www.jornalacores9.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/2-classificado-Orlando-Duque-%E2%80%93-451.jpg

Lionel Messi, Argentinean footballer
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/09/article-2653332-0F79C42300000578-150_634x435.jpghttp://i.forbesimg.com/media/lists/people/lionel-messi_416x416.jpghttp://media1.santabanta.com/full1/Football/Lionel%20Messi/lionel-messi-15a.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Yes especially the first.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes especially the first.

What features of either of them do so though?

[Sikeliot]

Messi in the eye and cheekbones. The other guy is brown and looks castizo and off for Europe even though it's not any one feature.

[Tooting Carmen]

Messi in the eye and cheekbones. The other guy is brown and looks castizo and off for Europe even though it's not any one feature.

Orlando Duque is quite olive-skinned, but he's within the range for native Europeans, and I don't see what facial traits of his look Amerindian.

[Leto]

I don't know, maybe in Latin America they are white. The first one is indeed caucasoid, but he is very swarthy, even in S. Europe he is below the average in this regard. As for Messi, perhaps he is Amerindian-influenced, but the influence is not very striking. I bet he is 3/4 Euro or more.

[SupaThug]

Yes,they do!

[Smaug]

Yes, mainly Messi.

[alnortedelsur]

Yes, they both look partially Amerindian. Orlando Duque looks harnizo, and Lionel Messi looks either castizo or at least like a "quasi-white" with some minor Amerindian admixture.

Orlando Duque looks very swarthy, even for southern European standards, whilst lionel messi could more easily pass relatively unnoticed in Spain or Italy.

[Sikeliot]

Messi has both Italian and Spanish ancestry right?

[Tooting Carmen]

Messi has both Italian and Spanish ancestry right?

No, just Italian. His mother's maiden name is Cuccittini. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Messi#Early_life

[Sikeliot]

No, just Italian. His mother's maiden name is Cuccittini. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Messi#Early_life

Ohh. I was going to say. He looks Italian with some Amerindian, and I don't see the Spanish.

[Dani Cutie]

Orlando Duque is quite olive-skinned, but he's within the range for native Europeans, and I don't see what facial traits of his look Amerindian.

Maybe are her expressions (?)

[SupaThug]

No, just Italian. His mother's maiden name is Cuccittini. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Messi#Early_life

Don't he has some spanish colonial mixed with amerindian?

[Tooting Carmen]

Don't he has some spanish colonial mixed with amerindian?

Perhaps, but if he does then it is pretty distant.

[alnortedelsur]

His second last name is Cuccittini, but if he has some Amerindian, this means that he has some colonial mixed ancestry and it's very likely that he could have some Spanish admixture down the line. Lots of Argentines have both Italian and Spanish admixture, so it would not be surprise if this was the case of Lionel Messi.

But even if he had no Spanish admixture, he would pass in Spain (not necessarily as typical) for the same reason that some Italians would pass in Iberia.

[SupaThug]

His second last name is Cuccittini, but if he has some Amerindian, this means that he has some colonial mixed ancestry and it's very likely that he could have some Spanish admixture down the line. Lots of Argentines have both Italian and Spanish admixture, so it would not be surprise if this was the case of Lionel Messi.

But even if he had no Spanish admixture, he would pass in Spain (not necessarily as typical) for the same reason that some Italians would pass in Iberia.

That's exaclty what I tought!It makes no sense to think that he has colonial amerindian ancestry without spanish input together,he might even have some very distant african input.

[Tooting Carmen]

Orlando Duque looks harnizo.
Orlando Duque looks very swarthy, even for southern European standards, whilst lionel messi could more easily pass relatively unnoticed in Spain or Italy.

Out of curiosity, between him and cyclist Rigoberto Uran, who would you say looks more European/Caucasoid? Imo Uran, despite being lighter-skinned, has much more blatantly Mestizo facial traits than does Duque.

[alnortedelsur]

That's exaclty what I tought!It makes no sense to think that he has colonial amerindian ancestry without spanish input together,he might even have some very distant african input.

Perhaps, but his chances of having some Spanish admixture are bigger than his chances of having SSA admixture.

[SupaThug]

Perhaps, but his chances of having some Spanish admixture are bigger than his chances of having SSA admixture.

Definitly,if he has colonial ancestry,he has spanish ancestry!SSA is just a hypotesis.

[RMuller]

If an Argentinian has Amerindian blood it's 100% chance he has Spanish blood to =Colonial heritage.

[alnortedelsur]

Out of curiosity, between him and cyclist Rigoberto Uran, who would you say looks more European/Caucasoid? Imo Uran, despite being lighter-skinned, has much more blatantly Mestizo facial traits than does Duque.

Rigoberto Uran looks noticeable more Amerindian admixed than Orlando Duque (despite of being lighter), but that doesn't change that Orlando Duque has evident Amerindian traits (independently from his dark olive complexion).

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Sikeliot thinks so, I don't agree.

Orlando Duque, Colombian diver
http://elpueblo.com.co/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/orlandoduque.jpghttp://rt.com/files/sport/cliff-diving-world-series-2012-duque-743/orlando-duque.jpghttp://www.jornalacores9.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/2-classificado-Orlando-Duque-%E2%80%93-451.jpg

Lionel Messi, Argentinean footballer
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/09/article-2653332-0F79C42300000578-150_634x435.jpghttp://i.forbesimg.com/media/lists/people/lionel-messi_416x416.jpghttp://media1.santabanta.com/full1/Football/Lionel%20Messi/lionel-messi-15a.jpg

This. same.No. they look like many southern Europeans. from Spain all the way to Italy you can find their look.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I second what you said. No, they look like many southern Europeans. from Spain all the way to Italy you can find their look.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Ohh. I was going to say. He looks Italian with some Amerindian, and I don't see the Spanish.

He could pass in Spain, His face don't really stand out or look that different from his Catalan Teammates in Barcelona.

[John Smith]

Definitely.

[Argentano]

Yes, mainly Messi.

how much european/amerindian do you estimate for messi?

and how much for this argentine girl?

http://i61.tinypic.com/2zdrd3a.png

[Sikeliot]

This. same.No. they look like many southern Europeans. from Spain all the way to Italy you can find their look.

The first one definitely not.. Messi looks Italian with minor admixture though

[Smaug]

how much european/amerindian do you estimate for messi?

and how much for this argentine girl?

http://i61.tinypic.com/2zdrd3a.png

Not much for both, but still visible.

[Argentano]

Not much for both, but still visible.

also visible in the girl right? in the eyes?

[Smaug]

also visible in the girl right? in the eyes?

No, in Messi.

[Argentano]

No, in Messi.

what about the girl?

[Smaug]

what about the girl?

She looks just swarthoid/wog, I can't really tell.

[Han Cholo]

None looks particularly Amerindian influenced. The first guy is just very swarthy. Messi has quite high cheekbones and small eye sockets for a Southern European but I still think he can pass unnoticed in Southern Europe.

[Argentano]

None looks particularly Amerindian influenced. The first guy is just very swarthy. Messi has quite high cheekbones and small eye sockets for a Southern European but I still think he can pass unnoticed in Southern Europe.

agree...both could be mixed but for me is not as clear as people says...i have seen europeans with dark skin or small eyes...not that sure about the cheekbones tough

[RMuller]

Messi's maternal grandmother.

http://sp5.fotolog.com/photo/53/63/6/messi_fan_19/1199281595_f.jpg

grandmother,messi and his mom
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_O978zbYlnxk/SbPm6AZENbI/AAAAAAAAAaE/P1kyS0YoPEc/s400/n_f_c_barcelona_lionel_messi-10894.jpg

[alnortedelsur]

agree...both could be mixed but for me is not as clear as people says...i have seen europeans with dark skin or small eyes...not that sure about the cheekbones tough

In Messi is not very evident, is just slightly visible. That's why I think he looks either as castizo (some castizos can pass as a bit exotic fully Europeans), or as a "quasi-white" with more than 85% European ancestry. And I think he can pass in Italy and Iberia, despite of his very slight Amerindian traits.

His case is somewhat similar to mine.

[Sikeliot]

Messi's maternal grandmother.

http://sp5.fotolog.com/photo/53/63/6/messi_fan_19/1199281595_f.jpg

grandmother,messi and his mom
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_O978zbYlnxk/SbPm6AZENbI/AAAAAAAAAaE/P1kyS0YoPEc/s400/n_f_c_barcelona_lionel_messi-10894.jpg

Definitely part Amerindian. I think he gets his eyes from her.

[Hadouken]

first one a little maybe

messi no

I really dont see anything non caucasoid in messi

[Antimage]

Messi never striked me as a part amerindian person, he just looks white to me. Even if there's something non Euro in his appearance, it's not very significant. There are native south europeans who look more off white than him. He can easily pass in europe.

The colombian guy looks a bit mixed but i think there's a chance for him to pass in europe. He looks caucasoid but there's something off white in him, i don't know. Maybe I'm saying that only because i know he's from colombia

[Antimage]

orlando duque reminds me of andrew divoff, who is half russian half venezuelan

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_OLNuNZ82JdDq4WnwzwYTD8Ely0E1W sM778Yo42EAMiLlSndZnAhttp://theknow.ask.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Andrew-Divoff.jpghttps://www.themonstercompany.co.uk/shopimages/products/extras/MMH0276-Divoff-48-L.jpg

[Gauthier]

Messi's maternal grandmother.

http://sp5.fotolog.com/photo/53/63/6/messi_fan_19/1199281595_f.jpg


His grandma looks very india.

[Roy]

Both do.

[Sacrificed Ram]

First: Full europid, if not, gracile med doesn't exist. I saw some slight gypo, south asian, arabian peninsular or horn african vibe on first pic, but it is into aurignacoid/capelid/nordo/atlanto/mediterranid spectrum. At max, a veddo/australoid smile.

Second: We know about Messi life story, we cannot confirm how his healthy conditions could affect his physical appearence and I don't know how native argentineans looked like. Andean natives can have dinariform features, will be difficult say if some characteristic is of amerind or european heritage.

In north americans, native admixture always gives a pseudo dinaro/keltic/bell beaker or even armenoid vibe. In Brazil natives almost don't differ much from southeast asians (similar climate, similar appearence).

[Tooting Carmen]

Orlando Duque again:
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000226457600/eae16da8bb4e5c52aced88f62696f44d.jpeghttps://c8.alamy.com/comp/DMNM97/sep-18-2009-athens-greece-nine-time-world-champion-cliff-diver-orlando-DMNM97.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLYG_bwCuMBKGOYf8dEvtZaT_Q0RsKp 2wHNA&usqp=CAU

[Lozano]

Orlando Duque does not look part Amerindian as Messi does. Only is a bit swarthier but that's it

[Latinus]

Orlando, I don't see.
Messi, I think it's subtle.