Turkey vs Uyghur DNA , physical attributes ( Turks Including Mongols, Kazakhs, Armenian )

[ButlerKing]

In this study only

The highest Caucasian admixture for a Uyghur seems to be 68% where as the highest for a Turk ( Turkey) is 91%

The highest Mongoloid admixture for a Uyghur seems to be 45% where as the highest for a Turk ( Turkey) is 25%

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2myu6u0.jpg


They not only share the same flag but some physical attribute similarity. Although DNA has well shown Uyghurs are mixture of Turkic and Tocharian and Turkey are mixture of Turkic and Anatolian

http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Turkey_Uyghur_flags-e1411648780720.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdw6F5qlJpQ


There is 11 million Uyghurs living in China/Xinjiang or better said East Turkistan/Tarim Basin which is really a different country. Several million living outside.

The Highest total Uyghur population is estimated at 15 million.

[ButlerKing]

According to this study average Uyghur Caucasian/European DNA can be 60%, 52%, 47% , 30% depending on the location.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_people

Genetics

"The Uyghurs are a Eurasian (mixed ancestry) population with Eastern and Western Eurasian anthropometric and genetic traits. Uyghurs are thus one of the many populations of Central Eurasia that can be considered to be genetically related to European and East Asian populations. However, various scientific studies differ on the size of each component.[92] One study, using samples from Hetian (Hotan) only, found that Uyghurs have 60% European ancestry and 40% East Asian ancestry.[93] A further study showed slightly greater European component (52% European) in the Uyghur population in southern Xinjiang, but slightly greater East Asian component (47% European) in the northern Uyghur population.[94] Another study used a larger sample of individuals from a wider area, and found only about 30% European component to the admixture.[95] A study on mitochondrial DNA (therefore the matrilineal genetic contribution) found the frequency of western Eurasian-specific haplogroup in Uyghurs to be 42.6%.[96]

The admixture may be the result of a continuous gene flow from populations of European and Asian descent, or may have been formed by a single event of admixture during a short period of time (the hybrid isolation model). If a hybrid isolation model is assumed, it can be estimated that the hypothetical admixture event occurred about 126 generations ago, or 2,520 years ago assuming 20 years per generation.[93][97] "


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According to the paper by Li et al.:

" the western East Asians are more closely related to Uyghurs than the eastern East Asians. ... STRUCTURE cannot distinguish recent admixture from a cline of other origin, and these analyses cannot prove admixture in the Uyghurs; however, historical records indicate that the present Uyghurs were formed by admixture between Tocharians from the west and Orkhon Uyghurs (Wugusi-Huihu, according to present Chinese pronunciation) from the east in the 8th century CE. The Uyghur Empire was originally located in Mongolia and conquered the Tocharian tribes in Xinjiang. Tocharians such as Kroran have been shown by archaeological findings to appear phenotypically similar to northern Europeans, whereas the Orkhon Uyghur people were clearly Mongolians. The two groups of people subsequently mixed in Xinjiang to become one population, the present Uyghurs. We do not know the genetic constitution of the Tocharians, but if they were similar to western Siberians, such as the Khanty, admixture would already be biased toward similarity with East Asian populations. "

[Antimage]

what is the point here?

[ButlerKing]

what is the point here?



Turkey and Uyghur have relations. They share the same flag and sometimes same appearance.

This is because Turkish people also have Central Asian Caucasian components that are shared in the Uyghurs aswell as Mongoloid


Uyghurs are more racially closer to Caucasians I believe, at least in the South. FREEDOM FOR UYGHURS !!!! FREEDOM FOR EAST TURKISTAN!!!!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wKnLVQaiRYk/SAEW4F0y4hI/AAAAAAAAAuw/48p9KyMCGP8/s400/Mongol_Tuved_Uyghur.gif

[ButlerKing]

http://www.kellycannon.com/galleries/portraitsgallery/photos/20091024_china_3067_Edit.jpg
http://www.etours.cn/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/38.jpg
http://unsafeharbour.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/uyghur-boy.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4042/4453270192_b004c57873.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmp6q9yFyI1qlsr3bo1_500.jpg
http://www.uyghurensemble.co.uk/graphic/Uyghur_qizi1.jpg
http://e7254d44347a83e4a7c1-0d6636d3ea523cf6c75a5e7b27f77011.r33.cf1.rackcdn.c om/notebook_image_321790.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2686/4453270184_0223b841d2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Uyghur_man_kashkar.jpg/281px-Uyghur_man_kashkar.jpg

[ButlerKing]

http://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/_uyghur_xinjiang_1.jpg
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Whites/Uyghur_1.jpg
http://www.imagemosaic.com/exchange/Gul_Yaru_imagemosaic.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltfj9uXCzZ1qch0w2o1_500.jpg
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Whites/Uyghur_7.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7093/7183659741_f4a8fa9cb3_b.jpg
http://www.lollipop.sg/sites/default/files/public/article/images/gallery/1474029.jpg
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Indus/Uyghur_2.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2720/4451968214_d9074f5fc3.jpg

[ButlerKing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx8xN_bbfLs

http://docs.uyghuramerican.org/galleryimage/Uyghur_kids2.jpg
http://www.uyghurensemble.co.uk/graphic/Uyghur_qizi2.jpg
http://www.paulstravelblog.com/images/730/22.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3274/2986556406_f4a3cd5f2a.jpg
http://people.cs.pitt.edu/~mehmud/gallery/people/images/Uyghur_old_man.jpg
http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo63/fowler218/cc578_o.jpg
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/hair-02202009174717.html/mustaches-uyghur-305.jpg/image
http://cs408231.vk.me/v408231740/6ad0/CEbXf1R0YUw.jpg
http://www.intochinatravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Grape-Valley-Xinjiang.jpg

[jackrussell]

I have to agree with OP .

Freedom To Uyghurs , yes indeed .

[ButlerKing]

http://crheinga.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/uyghur-dinner-rayila-sis.jpg
http://top-antropos.com/images/11/Ujgurki/%D1%83%D0%B9%D0%B3%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B0%20(4).j pg
http://www.kansp.com/uploads/allimg/c141010/1412X4A5940-251K8.jpg
https://franziskakeller.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/uyghur_girl.jpg
http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire1/ab13bfb8acf92a242fbbdd3165cd74001373024219_full.jp g
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GfoB1lXeaJE/hqdefault.jpg

https://a4-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/118/b73a1cd905d444acb41dd90059652649/full.jpg
http://cs613528.vk.me/v613528740/504a/Mx0OJQbwf4I.jpg
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https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3373/3448913743_0263e9ce10.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MG1fourywyQ/hqdefault.jpg
http://factsanddetails.com/media/2/20080307-CHN265.jpg

[ButlerKing]

To be honest most Uyghurs look like a mixture of East Asian and Caucasian, the pictures I've shown shows only Uyghurs with predominately to pure Caucasian looking types, there are just as many that look full Mongoloid to predominately Mongoloid

Most Uyghurs look 50/50 or at least slightly to some what more Caucasian in the south and slightly more to somewhat more Mongoloid in the north

http://www.rfa.org/english/women/uyghur-woman-07132010135815.html/Aysem-kerim-children-305.jpg/image
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5098/5465243342_fedc588c6e_m.jpg
http://apostolos-na.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/uyghurSchoolGirls.jpg
http://govivigo.typepad.com/.a/6a010535cbb374970b0133ed2cfb4a970b-500pi
http://www.seeprc.com/kash/Kashgar%20-%20Street%20gang..JPG
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02892/Uighur-china-beard_2892407b.jpg
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ocFPKr-qRpA/SlSeXXs7uyI/AAAAAAAAITM/RGabig_WmjA/s800/urumqi-people.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2122/2267244547_41fd2de4bf.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m528ofPH2K1qlsr3bo1_500.jpg
http://uyghuristaninfo.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/tutush-buyruki-chiqirilghan-uyghurlar.jpg

[Böri]

1500 years separation

[Böri]

I have to agree with OP .

Freedom To Uyghurs , yes indeed .

This is difficult you know today Urumçi is 95% Chinese colonists, they are also majority in other Uyghur cities. They say China ban their religion and assimilate them with communism.

[ButlerKing]

This is difficult you know today Urumçi is 95% Chinese colonists, they are also majority in other Uyghur cities. They say China ban their religion and assimilate them with communism.

There is 11 million Uyghurs living in China/Xinjiang or better said East Turkistan/Tarim Basin which is really a different country. Several million living outside.

The Highest total Uyghur population is estimated at 15 million.

Now Han Chinese colonist make up 40-50% of Xinjiang or aka East Turkistan

[ButlerKing]

Han Chinese and Uyghurs are two totally different races.

A Mongolian is racially close to Koreans and Han Chinese

A Kazakh is racially closer to Mongolian

A North Uzbek is closer to Kazakh

But Uyghurs from the South is racially closer to Caucasian types like south Uzbeks, Turkmen ( excluding the ones that look Mongoloid )

[zhaoyun]

Han Chinese and Uyghurs are two totally different races.

A Mongolian is racially close to Koreans and Han Chinese

A Kazakh is racially closer to Mongolian

A North Uzbek is closer to Kazakh

But Uyghurs from the South is racially closer to Caucasian types like south Uzbeks, Turkmen ( excluding the ones that look Mongoloid )

I agree with all those statements, it doesn't change the fact that you are a weird fuck. You should worry about Kashmir first, before dealing with Xinjiang which has nothing to do with your Indian ass.

Unlike any of the members here, I've been to both the Northern and Southern parts of Xinjiang, Urumqi and Kashgar. Only Southern Xinjiang is truly a Uighur homeland. Northern Xinjiang was in many times occupied by different empires, Han and other Central Asian empires, and last was occupied by the Dzungars which the Manchu Qing dynasty wiped out and brought the Uighurs up to settle. So that's why Uighurs in the North look much more Mongoloid, while Uighurs in the South look far more Caucasoid.

Anyways, I respect Uighur culture and it is not up to me whether they have independence or remain a part of China. I don't support their independence, I am not against it either. Although there is no way the Chinese government will give up such an important region. Also, nearly every powerful Chinese dynasty has controlled that region beginning from the Han Dynasty 2000 years ago before there were even Uighurs, so Chinese control of that region is not alien.

[TheForeigner]

The Chinese are colonizing heavily all the border regions like Tibet and Xinxiang and the indigenous peoples will soon become minorities. There would also be some intermarriage and assimilation eventually. There are also Chinese Muslims and Buddhists alike.

[Böri]

The Chinese are colonizing heavily all the border regions like Tibet and Xinxiang and the indigenous peoples will soon become minorities. There would also be some intermarriage and assimilation eventually. There are also Chinese Muslims and Buddhists alike.

I dont think China would leave because they have 1,2 billion people and in Xinjiang they are 50% now and maybe more. So if there is referandum for independence Uyghurs lose this. I dont know for Tibet.

[TheForeigner]

I dont think China would leave because they have 1,2 billion people and in Xinjiang they are 50% now and maybe more. So if there is referandum for independence Uyghurs lose this. I dont know for Tibet.

I know that in both regions they have been investing money and moving people in for many years. They wont give up those lands and it's only sad for Tibetans and Uygurs really. It doesn't concern people of European descent or Indians.

[Yuffayur]

Armenians 0% East Asian :loco:

[Petros Houhoulis]

China is about to wrestle Central Asia from Russian control, and some people here...

[zhaoyun]

The Chinese are colonizing heavily all the border regions like Tibet and Xinxiang and the indigenous peoples will soon become minorities. There would also be some intermarriage and assimilation eventually. There are also Chinese Muslims and Buddhists alike.

The largest group of chinese muslims are hui, who are the descendants of middle eastern traders but they are largely no different than han chinese except they are muslim and they are very well assimilated.

China will definitely make sure tibet and xinjiang will never be lost, in addition, China has great plans for these regions and is investing heavily in infrastructure to these areas to make them a springboard for Chinese influence deep into central asia, south asia and the beyond.

Todays China is the most ambitious empire on earth, there is no doubt about that.

[ButlerKing]

Armenians 0% East Asian :loco:

Out of the 11 Armenian samples testes, 9 samples have 0% East Asian but 2 Samples have 0.5 % and 1.5% East Asian

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V-NWT_L5gLs/TkTaSpKQLiI/AAAAAAAAD6o/bNZ-AKjduac/s1600/ADMIXTURE%2BArmenian_D_12.png

[ButlerKing]

I agree with all those statements, it doesn't change the fact that you are a weird fuck. You should worry about Kashmir first, before dealing with Xinjiang which has nothing to do with your Indian ass.

Unlike any of the members here, I've been to both the Northern and Southern parts of Xinjiang, Urumqi and Kashgar. Only Southern Xinjiang is truly a Uighur homeland. Northern Xinjiang was in many times occupied by different empires, Han and other Central Asian empires, and last was occupied by the Dzungars which the Manchu Qing dynasty wiped out and brought the Uighurs up to settle. So that's why Uighurs in the North look much more Mongoloid, while Uighurs in the South look far more Caucasoid.

Anyways, I respect Uighur culture and it is not up to me whether they have independence or remain a part of China. I don't support their independence, I am not against it either. Although there is no way the Chinese government will give up such an important region. Also, nearly every powerful Chinese dynasty has controlled that region beginning from the Han Dynasty 2000 years ago before there were even Uighurs, so Chinese control of that region is not alien.

I knew you're going to mention India but keep in mind Kashmiri and Indians are the same race.

Uyghurs and Chinese are not the same, two totally opposite races. Uyghurs would rather be under Turkey than to be under China. A Chinese gene is too ugly, I would rather pick a African gene over your ugly yellow genes.

Do you see millions of Indians in Kashmir? No. They are not committing any genocide policy where as Chinese had sent like 10-15 million Chinese to Xinjiang for extra control and dilute the ethnic minority with interracial marriage which you are promoting.

[ButlerKing]

Intermarriage with Uyghur women? you would love that wouldn't you? but it takes a real man to satisfy female of caucasian and mix asian-caucasian physical types


Some of these Uyghur women look kind of Punjabi though not exactly, they look more like from Tajikistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan although most look like their from Uzbekistan, but many can also pass in Turkey and many in Turkey can pass in East Turkistan

http://img.blog.cctv.com/attachments/2009/11/2058665_200911081745141.thumb.jpg
http://www.cnwhtv.cn/uploadfile/2012/1010/20121010034408668.png
http://xj.cnr.cn/spxj/spxw/201010/W020101012589383053757.jpg
http://images-fast.digu365.com/sp/width/236/3d40883166dc15624d142e7480d88ca3_0006.jpeg
http://1841.img.pp.sohu.com.cn/images/blog/2009/9/9/10/9/1244aa4dde3g214.jpg
http://fitness.vdolady.com/uploads/allimg/111229/154U52352-0.jpg
http://a4.att.hudong.com/51/56/300001219201131175564509410_950.gif
http://www.xjylly.com/Article/UploadFiles/201111/2011110913570445.jpg

[ButlerKing]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45363000/jpg/_45363439_uighirman300.jpg
http://news.xinhuanet.com/politics/2005-09/24/xinsrc_0420902241635000135542.jpg
http://www.wed114.cn/jiehun/uploads/allimg/121219/18_121219161841_3.jpg
http://cmsfile07.chinaso.com/group1/M00/02/DC/Cgqg2FOo0YKAGV7EAAA-VOKw2Ag5688872
http://www.08160.cn/uploads/allimg/140528/3-14052Q14559109.jpg
http://uploadimg.wudaotv.com/590/0/201407/1404796392.3406.49934917.jpg

[ButlerKing]

http://upload.17u.net/uploadpicbase/2009/03/10/2009031012353836665.jpg
http://images3.ctrip.com/images/uploadphoto/Photo/0254/508939.jpg
http://www.hinews.cn/pic/0/14/25/93/14259376_449472.jpg
http://p1.cncnimg.cn/lxs/64/64458.jpg
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http://img.blog.cctv.com/attachments/2010/05/989761_201005191747201.jpg
http://gb.cri.cn/mmsource/images/2007/11/02/ra071102074.jpg
http://image211-0.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20090414/00/42121490200904140043414352666742987_000_640.jpg
http://www.uus8.org/wenzhang/uploads/allimg/13/140T130G-0.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Blue eyes Uyghurs


http://www.turk.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Uyghur.jpeg
http://images.chinahighlights.com/travelguide1/brief-intro/chinaethnicgroups/uygur-minority.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7GXyehFcX_o/Rn5Z1KGgVII/AAAAAAAAAF4/cQMBbtByAec/s400/Uighur_Girl_14.jpg
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Whites/Uyghur_5.jpg
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/365/1/4/uyghur_old_man_by_elicg-d4kwk4d.jpg

[zhaoyun]

I knew you're going to mention India but keep in mind Kashmiri and Indians are the same race.

Uyghurs and Chinese are not the same, two totally opposite races. Uyghurs would rather be under Turkey than to be under China. A Chinese gene is too ugly, I would rather pick a African gene over your ugly yellow genes.

Do you see millions of Indians in Kashmir? No. They are not committing any genocide policy where as Chinese had sent like 10-15 million Chinese to Xinjiang for extra control and dilute the ethnic minority with interracial marriage which you are promoting.

Everything you said is your OPINION.

It has nothing to do with what will and needs to be done.

China will keep Xinjiang because it needs it, and there is nothing your fucking ugly Indian shit faced ass can do about it.

Honestly, I'd fucking break your ribs if your shit faced Indian ass talked to me like that in person. I'd destroy you and dominate you like a fucking tiger with a newborn piglet and destroy you in less than a minute. Your filthy ugly ass Australoid mother wouldn't even recognize your face.

[monfret]

Intermarriage with Uyghur women? you would love that wouldn't you? but it takes a real man to satisfy female of caucasian and mix asian-caucasian physical types


Some of these Uyghur women look kind of Punjabi though not exactly, they look more like from Tajikistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan although most look like their from Uzbekistan, but many can also pass in Turkey and many in Turkey can pass in East Turkistan

http://img.blog.cctv.com/attachments/2009/11/2058665_200911081745141.thumb.jpg
http://www.cnwhtv.cn/uploadfile/2012/1010/20121010034408668.png
http://xj.cnr.cn/spxj/spxw/201010/W020101012589383053757.jpg
http://images-fast.digu365.com/sp/width/236/3d40883166dc15624d142e7480d88ca3_0006.jpeg
http://1841.img.pp.sohu.com.cn/images/blog/2009/9/9/10/9/1244aa4dde3g214.jpg
http://fitness.vdolady.com/uploads/allimg/111229/154U52352-0.jpg
http://a4.att.hudong.com/51/56/300001219201131175564509410_950.gif
http://www.xjylly.com/Article/UploadFiles/201111/2011110913570445.jpg

no offence but northern chinese,tibetan and monguer women are way more attractive than uyghur women.

[monfret]

notice the heavier browridges on those women.the protruding noses.they look less soft.



the ones that look good look more east asian.asian admix improves white women because it removes heavy features.

[Pahli]

I'm pretty sure Uyghurs are a mix of Iranic or Tocharian ...

[TheForeigner]

I'm pretty sure Uyghurs are a mix of Iranic or Tocharian ...

With Turkic obviously.

[Pahli]

With Turkic obviously.

Uyghurs are Turkic, so yes.

[ButlerKing]

notice the heavier browridges on those women.the protruding noses.they look less soft.



the ones that look good look more east asian.asian admix improves white women because it removes heavy features.


East Asian women are known for being more intelligent than Caucasian females but not for being more beautiful. If you look at Asian American females you can see they outperform them in education and income however white women usually act and dress like some stupid hooker with revealing clothes but are more sexy, taller, bigger boobs, nice ass while the Asian women needed heavy eyeliner and make up and with flat chest, flat ass and look like dwarfs with their stubby legs.

The soft features of East Asian women makes them look all-alike with pan cake faces.

http://www.tofugu.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/sapporo_students.jpg

I prefer Uyghur females. Their East Asian admix did indeed reduced some heavy features but ultimately they look Caucasian (but a bit less)

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WCwWqtFH5_Y/hqdefault.jpg
http://www.meshrep.com/PicOfDay/uighurgirls/girl6.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Uyghurs are Turkic, so yes.

The original Uyghurs were Turkic Mongoloid, that is for sure. They conquered the Tocharian and assimilated them according to Chinese record.


This is what ancient Uyghurs look like before migrated and mixed with Tocharians, the Uyghur kings and people were completely as were the people

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Dunhuang_Uighur_king.jpg


Here is the ethnic pure Uyghurs. They call themselves the Yugur people and live in the area between Inner Mongolia and East Turkistan from the North. It's true that the original Uyghurs migrated from Inner Mongolia.

They speak a Turkic language closely related with Uyghurs and number only 30,000 today

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4056/4564334097_eaf07fcbd3_z.jpg
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/interesting-wedding-traditions-yugur-bow.jpg

[ButlerKing]

The Uyghurs and Turks are united


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Jnwks3h6s

[ButlerKing]

This Turkish actress look even more Mongoloid than many Uyghurs I've seen although in others she looks less, Mongoloid features is sometimes strong in her and including Turkish men who sometimes look like their part Mongoloid.

Although Turkish people look very caucasian there are times where some angles make them look part Mongoloid


http://www.oyuncuadresi.com/resim/oyuncu_resimler/buyuk/gulden_dudarik_17120691284.jpg

[Alessio]

Gotta respect the Armenians for having such a mongoloid-free gene pool compared to their Turkish counterparts.

[ButlerKing]

Gotta respect the Armenians for having such a mongoloid-free gene pool compared to their Turkish counterparts.

This study shows 2 Armenian samples have Mongoloid admixture. Maybe Armenians in Turkey have Mongoloid admixture

Out of the 11 Armenian samples testes, 9 samples have 0% East Asian but 2 Samples have 0.5 % and 1.5% East Asian

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V-NWT_L5gLs/TkTaSpKQLiI/AAAAAAAAD6o/bNZ-AKjduac/s1600/ADMIXTURE%2BArmenian_D_12.png

[Alessio]

But still not much and in relatively small numbers considering their geograpical location and population size.


This study shows 2 Armenian samples have Mongoloid admixture. Maybe Armenians in Turkey have Mongoloid admixture

Out of the 11 Armenian samples testes, 9 samples have 0% East Asian but 2 Samples have 0.5 % and 1.5% East Asian

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V-NWT_L5gLs/TkTaSpKQLiI/AAAAAAAAD6o/bNZ-AKjduac/s1600/ADMIXTURE%2BArmenian_D_12.png

[ButlerKing]

But still not much and in relatively small numbers considering their geograpical location and population size.

Is strange how Armenia is the only country that was not tainted by Mongoloid admixture.

Even South Europe have 1. - 2% including Syria, Iraq have them. Possibly from the Ottomans. Turkish people on average have 10-15% and 5-10%

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=37103&d=1378454779

[ButlerKing]

Full blooded Turkish people with Uyghur looks


Turkish reporter serdar-akinan

http://aksam.medyator.com/images/2010/06/25/akinan.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yEa2n7c.jpg?1

[ButlerKing]

This famous Turkish footballer Ibrahim Toraman can easily pass for a Uyghur type people

http://3puan.com/images/uploads/bjk/toraman.jpg
http://www.sporx.com/img/3/2013/ibrahim_toraman.jpg

Uyghur men

http://docs.uyghuramerican.org/content_images/guantanamo/abdulla-abduqadir.jpeg
http://ih2.redbubble.net/image.8370367.7498/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg

[Alessio]

Some Turks indeed look very Uygur. I've noticed that the ones that look fully Uyghur are different in their behavior and style. At least for those here in The Netherlands I've seen.


This famous Turkish footballer Ibrahim Toraman can easily pass for a Uyghur type people

http://3puan.com/images/uploads/bjk/toraman.jpg
http://www.sporx.com/img/3/2013/ibrahim_toraman.jpg

Uyghur men

http://docs.uyghuramerican.org/content_images/guantanamo/abdulla-abduqadir.jpeg
http://ih2.redbubble.net/image.8370367.7498/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Blonde haired Uyghur


https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3070/2842578869_9fba8def7b_m.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Uyghur_girl_in_Turpan,_Xinjiang,_China_-_20050712.jpg
http://www.lindaliphoto.com/portfolio/wp-content/uploads/galleries/post-301/c29-people-1.jpg
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/retrato-de-la-muchacha-de-uyghur-17387312.jpg

[ButlerKing]

These guys look Turkish

http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8190/8124895791_65212fb28c_m.jpg
http://www.kashgarguide.com/wp-content/gallery/uyghur-people/uyghur-people-14.jpg

[Kabul]

Turkey and Uyghur have relations. They share the same flag and sometimes same appearance.

This is because Turkish people also have Central Asian Caucasian components that are shared in the Uyghurs aswell as Mongoloid


Uyghurs are more racially closer to Caucasians I believe, at least in the South. FREEDOM FOR UYGHURS !!!! FREEDOM FOR EAST TURKISTAN!!!!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wKnLVQaiRYk/SAEW4F0y4hI/AAAAAAAAAuw/48p9KyMCGP8/s400/Mongol_Tuved_Uyghur.gif

The long surviving rivalry between India and China...

[ButlerKing]

The long surviving rivalry between India and China...

India is too weak it lost against Chinese in the Sino-Indian war

[zhaoyun]

The long surviving rivalry between India and China...

It's not a rivalry. A rivalry denotes EQUALS.

[ButlerKing]

It's not a rivalry. A rivalry denotes EQUALS.

At the moment India can not mach China but in short time it will.

[ButlerKing]

The long surviving rivalry between India and China...


There was never much rivalry between until the sino-indian war

[Kabul]

There was never much rivalry between us until the sino-indian war

"us"? So you admit that you are Indian?

[zhaoyun]

At the moment India can not mach China but in short time it will.

Keep dreaming. The gap is only increasing. In 30 years China will be matching the developed standards of South Korea, but extrapolated to 1.3 Billion people. In 30 years, India will not even be matching the levels of Indonesia or Malaysia.

China kicked India's ass when China was a dirt poor Communist basketcase. Now that China is becoming an industrialized modern superpower, it will completely destroy India. In 30 years, even more so.

[Proto-Shaman]

lol ButlerKing you know I love your threads :rolleyes:

[ButlerKing]

lol ButlerKing you know I love your threads :rolleyes:

If you like my thread why vote me down though? Is a fact Uyghurs today are mixture of Turkic Mongolod and Iranian Caucasian

[ButlerKing]

Keep dreaming. The gap is only increasing. In 30 years China will be matching the developed standards of South Korea, but extrapolated to 1.3 Billion people. In 30 years, India will not even be matching the levels of Indonesia or Malaysia.

China kicked India's ass when China was a dirt poor Communist basketcase. Now that China is becoming an industrialized modern superpower, it will completely destroy India. In 30 years, even more so.


I doubt it, India is the first country in Asia to reach mars. India will surpass China in population aswell in future

[Pahli]

If you like my thread why vote me down though? Is a fact Uyghurs today are mixture of Turkic Mongolod and Iranian Caucasian

Of course they are, why do you think some Uyghurs are prettier than the normal mongol / Turkic looking person? The same thing with Turks, most are mixed with Greeks, Armenians, Persians and Kurds.

[ButlerKing]

Of course they are, why do you think some Uyghurs are prettier than the normal mongol / Turkic looking person? The same thing with Turks, most are mixed with Greeks, Armenians, Persians and Kurds.

That's true the South Uyghurs look much pretty due to being closer to Caucasian. Even the north looks prettier because of their larger eyes and high nose which Mongoloids are jealous of

For example
http://i.imgur.com/2Qm9zkz.jpg

Big boobs, gray eyes with a touch of Mongoloid. Looks prettier
http://www.digitalartist.com.my/sites/default/files/DA-Fazlat-S_O8T6481.jpg

Even miss Kazakhstan today have Uyghur origins, before they used slavic and Kazakh but now Uyghurs

http://files.fbstatic.com/PostImages/0/0/35a9c570-1310-4d6f-b420-b4ee9cffc34a.jpg

[Böri]

Of course they are, why do you think some Uyghurs are prettier than the normal mongol / Turkic looking person? The same thing with Turks, most are mixed with Greeks, Armenians, Persians and Kurds.

Turks mixed Kurds arent prettier than Turks not mixed with Kurds. Turks also prettier than Persians or Armenians on average.

[Pahli]

Turks mixed Kurds arent prettier than Turks not mixed with Kurds. Turks also prettier than Persians or Armenians on average.

Some are due to the Turk - Greek admixture. The original Turks that came to Anatolia were not even close to what they are know. So yeah, some Turks are only pretty because of their admixture with the Anatolian population.

But personal opinions, I don't think Turks are prettier than Persians or Armenians :)

[Böri]

Some are due to the Turk - Greek admixture. The original Turks that came to Anatolia were not even close to what they are know. So yeah, some Turks are only pretty because of their admixture with the Anatolian population.

But personal opinions, I don't think Turks are prettier than Persians or Armenians :)

Ugly kings of Turkish cinema this is Kurds like İlyas Salman or Yılmaz Güney. Not Turks. Now this is interesting you say Turks mixed with Kurds are prettier. I can say this is contrary.

[Pahli]

Ugly kings of Turkish cinema this is Kurds like İlyas Salman or Yılmaz Güney. Not Turks. Now this is interesting you say Turks mixed with Kurds are prettier. I can say this is contrary.

And some Turks are incredibly ugly as well, don't judge because of a few persons. And I have not mentioned Turk - Kurd mixture. I said that the Iranic mixture with the Turkic in Tajikistan is prettier than the original Turkic Mongoloid. Please read my post again if you missunderstood :)

[Böri]

Kurds/Persians mixed with Turks prettier than normal Kurds/Persians I think.

[Pahli]

Kurds/Persians mixed with Turks prettier than normal Kurds/Persians I think.

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

[ButlerKing]

And some Turks are incredibly ugly as well, don't judge because of a few persons. And I have not mentioned Turk - Kurd mixture. I said that the Iranic mixture with the Turkic in Tajikistan is prettier than the original Turkic Mongoloid. Please read my post again if you missunderstood :)

Come to think of it, East Turkistan/Xinjiang bothers next to Tajikistan.

Could the Tocharians be racially the same as Tajiks? are unmixed Turkic supposed to look like Tajikistan?

Do these Uyghurs girls look Tajik enough ?

http://www.bayliq.cn/UploadFiles/User/246/xc/201302/2013021416591711445.jpg
http://www.nargiz.cn/attach/2012-04-28/1335548022QrNn.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TS6EURrdfT4/U68Pr4-DxQI/AAAAAAAAAPc/cQzNJ9LaRl8/s1600/dffe.jpg

[Pahli]

They look pretty Iranic / Tajik to me, with some Turkic influence.

[Duke]

Keep dreaming. The gap is only increasing. In 30 years China will be matching the developed standards of South Korea, but extrapolated to 1.3 Billion people. In 30 years, India will not even be matching the levels of Indonesia or Malaysia.

China kicked India's ass when China was a dirt poor Communist basketcase. Now that China is becoming an industrialized modern superpower, it will completely destroy India. In 30 years, even more so.


Communist never lost any war, communist society is more war ready then any democratic one ;)

[ButlerKing]

They look pretty Iranic / Tajik to me, with some Turkic influence.

How much is "some"? in what range? 12.5%, 25%, 33%?

[Duke]

They look pretty Iranic / Tajik to me, with some Turkic influence.

does Zoran have any meaning in Kurdish?
Its pretty common name here

[Pahli]

does Zoran have any meaning in Kurdish?
Its pretty common name here

Kurdish / Persian name for fearless

Same with Goran, Gora means mountain in Kurdish

[Pahli]

How much is "some"? in what range? 12.5%, 25%, 33%?

Max 20% - 25% in those who look a bit Turkic, rest could be 10 - 15% Turkic.

[ButlerKing]

does Zoran have any meaning in Kurdish?
Its pretty common name here

I saw youtube videos including some forums claiming Crotians are descendants of Iranic people in Europe.

[Pahli]

I saw youtube videos including some forums claiming Crotians are descendants of Iranic people in Europe.

Its a theory, it hasn't been confirmed yet

[Hadouken]

Ugly kings of Turkish cinema this is Kurds like İlyas Salman or Yılmaz Güney. Not Turks. Now this is interesting you say Turks mixed with Kurds are prettier. I can say this is contrary.

lol you retarded ape

Ilyas Salman is actually TURKMEN and not Kurdish :picard1: fail

and Yilmaz Güney was anything but ugly ....if you look better than Yilmaz Güney then post your pic here I am curious

Yilmaz Güney :

http://www.izleyince.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Yilmaz-Guney-Duvarin-Etrafinda.jpg

you : ?

[Pahli]

lol you retarded ape

Ilyas Salman is actually TURKMEN and not Kurdish :picard1: fail

and Yilmaz Güney was anything but ugly ....if you look better than Yilmaz Güney then post your pic here I am curious

Yilmaz Güney :

http://www.izleyince.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Yilmaz-Guney-Duvarin-Etrafinda.jpg

you : ?

Well, thing is how did Turks get such a Caucasian look? Simple, by mixing with Greeks, Armenians, Kurds and whoever the fuck lived in Anatolia. Without those they would look like people from Turkmenistan.

[ButlerKing]

Max 20% - 25% in those who look a bit Turkic, rest could be 10 - 15% Turkic.


What about the Uyghur dancer in the front? can she look 100% pure Iranic?


http://www.redchina.tv/UploadFiles/minzu/2010/12/201012091740095280.jpg

And her boobs are big

http://www.xcn-chinese.com/ewebeditor/uploadfile/20100606154524366.jpg

[Pahli]

What about the Uyghur dancer in the front? can she look 100% pure Iranic?

Yes, maybe with a slight Mongoloid admixture

[ButlerKing]

Yes, maybe with a slight Mongoloid admixture

Sorry, but how much is "slight" in your opinion? 5-10%?

Can she pass for Kurdish?

[Pahli]

Sorry, but how much is "slight" in your opinion? 5-10%?

Can she pass for Kurdish?

Well ... maybe ... I think she looks a bit too much Turkic to be Kurdish, and she is maybe 10 - 15% Turkic, I find it hard to give her the correct percentage.

[ButlerKing]

Well ... maybe ... I think she looks a bit too much Turkic to be Kurdish, and she is maybe 10 - 15% Turkic, I find it hard to give her the correct percentage.

Can you post pictures of Kurdish women or men for example? I want to see if I can find Uyghur girls that look 100% like Kurdish people.

[Pahli]

I just found a random one:

http://data3.whicdn.com/images/102778631/large.jpg

[ButlerKing]

I just found a random one:

http://data3.whicdn.com/images/102778631/large.jpg


Can this Uyghur girl pass for 100% Kurdish?
I didn't know there was so many European looking Kurds

Surely this one looks 100% Iranic with 0% Turkic influence
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4071/4692615351_13e766b73e_z.jpg

[Duke]

Kurdish / Persian name for fearless

Same with Goran, Gora means mountain in Kurdish

gora means mountain in slavic as well, but more like mountains covered with forest

Like this
http://www.slovenian-alps.com/en/imagelib/magnify/default/_vodnik_po_regiji/_Kranjska_Gora/kranjska-gora-lenarcic.jpg

Kranjska gora in slovenia; Kranj Mountains

[Pahli]

Can this Uyghur girl pass for 100% Kurdish?
I didn't know there was so many European looking Kurds

Surely this one looks 100% Iranic with 0% Turkic influence
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4071/4692615351_13e766b73e_z.jpg

I think she could pass yes, and she probably has very little Turkic influence, below 10%, maybe even 5%. All Uyghurs have Turkic influence, just depends on how much.

[ButlerKing]

gora means mountain in slavic as well, but more like mountains covered with forest

Like this
http://www.slovenian-alps.com/en/imagelib/magnify/default/_vodnik_po_regiji/_Kranjska_Gora/kranjska-gora-lenarcic.jpg

Kranjska gora in slovenia; Kranj Mountains


We are brothers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrWZeCv2sh8

[Pahli]

gora means mountain in slavic as well, but more like mountains covered with forest

Like this
http://www.slovenian-alps.com/en/imagelib/magnify/default/_vodnik_po_regiji/_Kranjska_Gora/kranjska-gora-lenarcic.jpg

Kranjska gora in slovenia; Kranj Mountains

Its more or less the same meaning anyway.

[ButlerKing]

I think she could pass yes, and she probably has very little Turkic influence, below 10%, maybe even 5%. All Uyghurs have Turkic influence, just depends on how much.

But physically speaking she looks 0% Turkic influence.

I'm sure her Turkic influence is like only 5%

[Duke]

We are brothers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrWZeCv2sh8

yes we are related trough our PIE roots

[Pahli]

But physically speaking she looks 0% Turkic influence.

I'm sure her Turkic influence is like only 5%

Yeah I can agree on that, but its not very common among Uyghurs.

[Duke]

some Uygurs look fully euro, while others fully mongol

[Pahli]

some Uygurs look fully euro, while others fully mongol

Most are Turkic influenced

[Duke]

Most are Turkic influenced

turkic=PIE+Mongol

Therefore they are truly turkic

[ButlerKing]

Yeah I can agree on that, but its not very common among Uyghurs.

I'll say judging from pictures I've seen

2% of Uyghurs look like complete Nordic pure Caucasian types
15% look pure Middle eastern to South European with slight admixture of non-caucasian
20% look predominately Caucasian
30% look half Caucasian / half Mongoloid
25% look predominately Mongoloid
8% look pure Mongoloid

[ButlerKing]

turkic=PIE+Mongol

Therefore they are truly turkic

Well I've seen thousands of uyghur pictures.

I'll say

30% look full Caucasian to predominately Caucasian
40% look evenly mixed
30% look full Mongoloid to predominately Mongoloid

[Duke]

Well I've seen thousands of uyghur pictures.

I'll say

30% look full Caucasian to predominately Caucasian
40% look evenly mixed
30% look full Mongoloid to predominately Mongoloid
are you sure about those percentages, most of them look mixed

[Pahli]

are you sure about those percentages, most of them look mixed

Yeah I agree on that

[ButlerKing]

are you sure about those percentages, most of them look mixed

Of course most of them looks mixed. That is why

Even pure 100% Caucasian looking Uyghurs numbers 12% at best, another 17% that looks like predominately Caucasian with mongoloid admixture.

so 30% Uyghur look pure Caucasian and predominately Caucasian but 70% of Uyghur look half Mongoloid to predominatety

[ButlerKing]

Yeah I agree on that

You can find many pure Caucasian to predominately Caucasian people in Southern Xinjiang like Kashgar and Hotan for example

For example a Uyghur girl singing group form Kashgar


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jz6Z-BB5us&list=PLD8546823A468E693


The song is romantic :D

[Pahli]

Some of the Uyghurs are ethnic-Iranics, so they haven't mixed with the Turkic Uyghurs, but have been assimilated into their culture

[Shah-Jehan]

Some of the Uyghurs are ethnic-Iranics, so they haven't mixed with the Turkic Uyghurs, but have been assimilated into their culture

What are you even talking about? No Uyghur is of Iranic-origin.

[ButlerKing]

are you sure about those percentages, most of them look mixed

Well you can find many group photos of Uyghurs from South Xinjiang like in Kasghar and Hotan and other cities that look like these Uyghurs
While cities closer to Kazakhstan country in north look much more heavily mixed with Mongoloid, the central looks inbetween

http://docs.uyghuramerican.org/galleryimage/Uyghur_kids2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Uyghur_camel_drivers_in_Xinjiang.jpg

[ButlerKing]

What are you even talking about? No Uyghur is of Iranic-origin.

In history most Turkic tribes were described as Mongoloid looking or predominately Mongoloid. The only ones they described them with look different where the Kyrgyz although genetics shows ancient Kyrgyz were heavily mixed, even the famous blond Kipchaks had substantial Mongoloid blood.

[zhaoyun]

Well I've seen thousands of uyghur pictures.

I'll say

30% look full Caucasian to predominately Caucasian
40% look evenly mixed
30% look full Mongoloid to predominately Mongoloid

GET A FUCKING JOB

[Pahli]

I think a lot of Uyghurs may be of Turkic and Tocharian admixture as well ... Especially in West China where the majority of the Uyghurs live.

[Shah-Jehan]

In history most Turkic tribes were described as Mongoloid looking or predominately Mongoloid. The only ones they described them with look different where the Kyrgyz although genetics shows ancient Kyrgyz were heavily mixed, even the famous blond Kipchaks had substantial Mongoloid blood.

ok? What does that have to do with anything? I know that Turkic migration to central Asia caused a lot of inter-ethnic mixture, like Uzbeks with Persians/Tajiks (as well as Soghdians, Transoxanians), Turkmens with Khwarezmian Persians, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz with Scythians etc. It caused the birth of those groups. Uyghurs on the other hand only mixed with Tocharians who were not an Iranic people.

[ButlerKing]

ok? What does that have to do with anything? I know that Turkic migration to central Asia caused a lot of inter-ethnic mixture, like Uzbeks with Persians/Tajiks (as well as Soghdians, Transoxanians), Turkmens with Khwarezmian Persians, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz with Scythians etc. It caused the birth of those groups. Uyghurs on the other hand only mixed with Tocharians who were not an Iranic people.


So than why are Tocharian languages classified as east-Iranian? their language is classified as Iranic languages family

[Shah-Jehan]

So than why are Tocharian languages classified as east-Iranian? their language is classified as Iranic languages family

Tocharians are not classified as East Iranic, they were an independent language family, but had it survived, it would have the most similarities to Indo-Iranian languages than any other group.

[ButlerKing]

I think a lot of Uyghurs may be of Turkic and Tocharian admixture as well ... Especially in West China where the majority of the Uyghurs live.


I believe all Uyghurs are mixture of those two but in different percentages

even every Turkish people today have Mongoloid admixture but it goes from as small 0.5% to as high as 25% ( but it seems 19-25% is rare, and exist only in few provinces and cities in Turkey )


There is 55,000 Uyghurs living in Uzbekistan and local Uzbeks and Tajiks cannot tell Uyghurs apart. Their language is even 90% similar to Uzbek according to Uzbeks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiw1-C57hds

[ButlerKing]

Tocharians are not classified as East Iranic, they were an independent language family, but had it survived, it would have the most similarities to Indo-Iranian languages than any other group.

They say there are 2 types of Tocharian languages in Xinjiang/East Turkistan. There was the western branch and easterner branch.

[Shah-Jehan]

They say there are 2 types of Tocharian languages in Xinjiang/East Turkistan. There was the western branch and easterner branch.

That's why I said "Independent language family" instead of Independent language.

[ButlerKing]

It seems to be blonde hair, red hair, blue eyes, green eyes, brown hair combine can be 7-10% if you look at only Southern Uyghurs

[ButlerKing]

The North Uyghurs who look more Mongoloid also have like 3% with red hair, blonde hair, blue eyes, green but they all look Mongoloid

[ButlerKing]

For example look at these 2 Uyghur girls.

1 look like a Turkic Mongoloid red hair who looks 78-79% Mongoloid. And 1 look like a Iranic Caucasian with brown hair

http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo63/fowler218/cc578_o.jpg

[ButlerKing]

One of top 10 most prettiest girl in China.

She looks like a Mongoloid with caucasian traits ( large double eyelids, high nose bridge )

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/celebrity/img/attachement/jpg/site1/20140914/00221917dec4157f338f04.jpg

[Hadouken]

whats your point ? I dont get what you want to say

[ButlerKing]

I just want to talk about the Uyghurs.

To anyone interested in Uyghurs come and talk.

[ButlerKing]

whats your point ? I dont get what you want to say

btw Check out this music video. Does it sound like Turkish music?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDBxxJJoGPM

[Hadouken]

^ yes there are big similarities

but I still dont know what your point is

[ButlerKing]

^ yes there are big similarities

but I still dont know what your point is

I though I explained my point already. Uyghurs and Turkey shows much similarity.

[just]

http://cs607527.vk.me/v607527740/28a9/EOVMN3w-6f0.jpg

She is not Uyghrian, but Brazilian of Portuguese descent.

[Hadouken]

I though I explained my point already. Uyghurs and Turkey shows much similarity.

I wonder what Uyghurs think about this

also you have to ask Turks before you make such statements

also why is a south asian so interested in Turkey ? ...fucking weird

[ButlerKing]

I wonder what Uyghurs think about this

also you have to ask Turks before you make such statements

also why is a south asian so interested in Turkey ? ...fucking weird

Well everytime I watch videos related with Uyghur there's always a Turkish Turk claiming their brothers with Uyghurs.

But this connection is too interested to me.

So you think I'm south Asian? whatever. You look South Asian yourself.

[just]

I doubt the Mongoloid admixture was an acutal slant eyed Mongolians.
In Eurasian steeps there are just Caucasoid who speaks Turkic languages.
The Turkic group is categorized by the language they spoke, not the racial category.

[ButlerKing]

I doubt the Mongoloid admixture was an acutal slant eyed Mongolians.
In Eurasian steeps there are just Caucasoid who speaks Turkic languages.
The Turkic group is categorized by the language they spoke, not the racial category.

There is no Turkic ethnic group without Mongoloid admixture.

Caucasoid people who speak Turkic languages are just turkified people some Mongoloid admixture.

[Hadouken]

Well everytime I watch videos related with Uyghur there's always a Turkish Turk claiming their brothers with Uyghurs.

But this connection is too interested to me.

So you think I'm south Asian? whatever. You look South Asian yourself.

yeah you wish

you have many threads about Turks/Turkey ....thats why I wondered

and where the sudden interest in uyghurs is coming from is also odd :mmmm:

I wonder what comes next

[ButlerKing]

yeah you wish

you have many threads about Turks/Turkey ....thats why I wondered

and where the sudden interest in uyghurs is coming from is also odd :mmmm:

I wonder what comes next

Seriously, you look a typical Punjabi. Is strange but Armenians and Kurds look a lot like Punjabis.

To study Turk history is fascinating, to see Turkish people being in-denial is good aswell. Is strange but I find Turkish people have stronger connections with Uyghurs than Turkmen.

[just]

It applies to Uyghurians in West China and Uzbeks or Khazahstan people, but I doubt the Tatar people in Russia.
Not only Caucasoid people like European people like Germanic or Celtic.
In Mongolian Empire there are many Caucasoid soldiers (surely not European ones but native to Eurasian Steeps) who speak Turkic languages

[ButlerKing]

It applies to Uyghurians in West China and Uzbeks or Khazahstan people, but I doubt the Tatar people in Russia.
Not only Caucasoid people like European people like Germanic or Celtic.
In Mongolian Empire there are many Caucasoid soldiers (surely not European ones but native to Eurasian Steeps) who speak Turkic languages

Yes but before Mongols recruited Caucasoid soldiers they butchered 15 million Caucasoid people from central Asia, Middle east, Europe.

Today the entire Central Asia, East Turkistan, North Afghanistan are mixed because of the Turkic-Mongol army

Even the Tatars of Western Siberia have substantial Mongoloid admixture and 1/4 of them look Mongoloid and mix.

Most Turkic tribes under Genghis Khan were like Tuvans, Altay, they were Mongoloid

[Hadouken]

Seriously, you look a typical Punjabi. Is strange but Armenians and Kurds look a lot like Punjabis.

To study Turk history is fascinating, to see Turkish people being in-denial is good aswell. Is strange but I find Turkish people have stronger connections with Uyghurs than Turkmen.

rofl :rotfl you Australoid troll

you wish ..you wish


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyq_UIkpZgo

http://www.punjabonline.com/photos/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/punjabis00.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46024000/jpg/_46024514_picture070.jpg

(I find Punjabi people not bad looking at all though ...many women are beautiful and the men often very robust and jacked)

[ButlerKing]

rofl :rotfl you Australoid troll

you wish ..you wish


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyq_UIkpZgo

http://www.punjabonline.com/photos/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/punjabis00.jpg


Seriously, you look like the darker version of this Punjabi man

http://revoseek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Which-Bollywood-Actor-Look-Cute-In-Sikh-Avatar-3.jpg

[Hadouken]

^ you showed that guy already a few times ;) 1 in a million wow

the differences are also obvious btw.

he is a good looking dude and I am not offended that you compare him with me but you really have issues ;)

[ButlerKing]

http://www.punjabonline.com/photos/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/punjabis00.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46024000/jpg/_46024514_picture070.jpg

(I find Punjabi people not bad looking at all though ...many women are beautiful and the men often very robust and jacked)


So you posted pictures of Punjabis who are not real Punjabis. These people are not Punjabis, even the darkest Punjabi is ussually because they have a non-Punjabi mother

Pure Punjabis

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5160/5904600206_34223ffaa6_m.jpg
http://www.gossip-gravy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/IMG_1357.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Punjabipeople.JPG

[Hadouken]

they are punjabis (they were posted even by a punjabi guy) and they dont look different to me

whatever thats not the topic anyway ....we are off topic

tell me why you are so interested in Turkey

[ButlerKing]

they are punjabis (they were posted even by a punjabi guy) and they dont look different to me

whatever thats not the topic anyway ....we are off topic

tell me why you are so interested in Turkey

The Punjabis group in the 1st picture are Punjabis, btw many non-Punjabis convert to Sikhs.

But the 2nd pictures are not real authentic Punjabis

[ButlerKing]

they are punjabis (they were posted even by a punjabi guy) and they dont look different to me

whatever thats not the topic anyway ....we are off topic

tell me why you are so interested in Turkey

I'm interested in Turkey because originally I was interested in history of Turks. There had been many Turkic invaders that had ruled India, from the Ghazvanid 900's-1100s, Delhi sultanate 1200-1500 to Mughal Empire 1500-1850's. I used to think their related with Turkey but turn out they have 0% to do with it.

However even though Turkic people were military superior they have always been culturally and ethnically assimilated by Indian.

[just]

Well Ukrainians are once invaded by Mongolians so do you think I have some Mong admixture from my Ukrainian ancestry side?

[ButlerKing]

Well Ukrainians are once invaded by Mongolians so do you think I have some Mong admixture from my Ukrainian ancestry side?

I'm afraid so. But not necessarily Mongols. History of Europe shows they were conquered many times by Central Asian Mongoloid/Caucasian hybrids.

For example. The Huns, Avars had many Mongoloid and Mongoloid-Caucasian mix race, even the Bulgars had substantial Mongoloid admixture on the men side.

Also the Kazakh Khanate and Nogai Horde had raided and sold million of slavic people as slaves.

Take a look at this DNA map.


http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

[just]

Then must I have some Turkic admixture.
My Ukrainian side is of North-Pontid/Gorid/Turanid.
No wonder why Ukrainians have a duckface.

[ButlerKing]

Then must I have some Turkic admixture.
My Ukrainian side is of North-Pontid/Gorid/Turanid.
No wonder why Ukrainians have a duckface.

The oldest and original Turks were found to be Mongoloid. However by the time they conquered Europe, many of these Turkic invaders were hybrid people because they had first conquered central Asian Caucasians. Later they mix and can range racially from 3/4 Mongoloid + 1/4 Caucasian mix race to 3/4 Caucasian + 1/4 Mongoloid mix race. And they also had many Central Asian Iranic slave soldiers aswell.

Turkic men have huge lust for European women.

[Proto-Shaman]

If you like my thread why vote me down though? Is a fact Uyghurs today are mixture of Turkic Mongolod and Iranian Caucasian
Fact? I would call it a hypothesis. Your statement is half-true in two things. Uyghur are:


1. not only based on Turkic Mongoloid and Iranian Caucasian, but also on other components, such as Tocharian, Chinese and Mongolian.
2. not only based on Turkic Mongoloid among the Turkic part.


Fix your hypothesis ;)

[Proto-Shaman]

Its a theory, it hasn't been confirmed yet
But it must be confirmed at least partially since there Iranic toponyms among Slavs.

[Proto-Shaman]

Well, thing is how did Turks get such a Caucasian look? Simple, by mixing with Greeks, Armenians, Kurds and whoever the fuck lived in Anatolia. Without those they would look like people from Turkmenistan.
This, however, does not explain why Kurds and Armenians by far are genetically more Turkic than Anatolian Turks. Prettiness lies in the eye of the beholder btw.

[Proto-Shaman]

gora means mountain in slavic as well, but more like mountains covered with forest

Like this
http://www.slovenian-alps.com/en/imagelib/magnify/default/_vodnik_po_regiji/_Kranjska_Gora/kranjska-gora-lenarcic.jpg

Kranjska gora in slovenia; Kranj Mountains
gor / kor has a mountain-like meaning in most language families around the world.

[Speedy Freedy]

Yes but before Mongols recruited Caucasoid soldiers they butchered 15 million Caucasoid people from central Asia, Middle east, Europe.

Today the entire Central Asia, East Turkistan, North Afghanistan are mixed because of the Turkic-Mongol army

Even the Tatars of Western Siberia have substantial Mongoloid admixture and 1/4 of them look Mongoloid and mix.

Most Turkic tribes under Genghis Khan were like Tuvans, Altay, they were Mongoloid

Your data is wrong. Siberian Tatars are belonging to West-Sibirid race (also known as ''Chulym race'') together with Selkups, Kets, the Khakass, Shors, Chulyms, but some Siberian Tatars of the Baraba group belong to Tungid anthropological type also. There is no Caucasoid-looking Siberian Tatars. Many Tatars in Siberia (the majority in fact) are Volga Tatars, who settled in Siberia after the Russian colonisation.

[Proto-Shaman]

Your data is wrong. Siberian Tatars are belonging to West-Sibirid race (also known as ''Chulym race'') together with Selkups, Kets, the Khakass, Shors, Chulyms, but some Siberian Tatars of the Baraba group belong to Tungid anthropological type also. There is no Caucasoid-looking Siberian Tatars. Many Tatars in Siberia (the majority in fact) are Volga Tatars, who settled in Siberia after the Russian colonisation.
I think they confused them with the Baikal type (a fully Mongoloid type) which shows pseudo-Caucasoid features.

[Speedy Freedy]

I think they confused them with the Baikal type (a fully Mongoloid type) which shows pseudo-Caucasoid features.

I don't think so.

[Instinct]

I'm afraid so. But not necessarily Mongols. History of Europe shows they were conquered many times by Central Asian Mongoloid/Caucasian hybrids.

For example. The Huns, Avars had many Mongoloid and Mongoloid-Caucasian mix race, even the Bulgars had substantial Mongoloid admixture on the men side.

Also the Kazakh Khanate and Nogai Horde had raided and sold million of slavic people as slaves.

Take a look at this DNA map.


http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

There should be more east asian influence in east and northeastern part of turkey

[Pahli]

There should be more east asian influence in east and northeastern part of turkey

I think the map pretty much illustrates it, Kurds live in the Eastern part along with other minorities, which is why the East Asian admixture is so low

[Proto-Shaman]

I think the map pretty much illustrates it, Kurds live in the Eastern part along with other minorities, which is why the East Asian admixture is so low
The map correlates with central Anatolian Turks who are famous for their slanted eyes btw.

[Instinct]

I think the map pretty much illustrates it, Kurds live in the Eastern part along with other minorities, which is why the East Asian admixture is so low

Well, there isn't religion difference between Turks and Kurds, they are both Muslims so they might get admixture together. Other religious groups of Eastern Anatolia are isolated by strict rules of their society.

[Pahli]

Well, there isn't religion difference between Turks and Kurds, they are both Muslims so they might get admixture together. Other religious groups of Eastern Anatolia are isolated by strict rules of their society.

Kurds still have less Mongoloid admixture compared to Turks, indeed there are marriages between Kurds and Turks, but that would just make the Mongoloid admixture even lower in their kids.

[Instinct]

Kurds still have less Mongoloid admixture compared to Turks, indeed there are marriages between Kurds and Turks, but that would just make the Mongoloid admixture even lower in their kids.

Well, there is I, I2a and other kind of I hablogroup of Eastern Anatolia.
http://aryanity.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/chapter-3-figure3.jpg
I2a:
https://vieilleeurope.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/haplogroup_i2a1.gif

[Pahli]

Well, there is I, I2a and other kind of I hablogroup of Eastern Anatolia.

Yep, we're related South and Eastern Europeans in some way

[Instinct]

Yep, we're related South and Eastern Europeans in some way

Kurds are not a homogenius ethnicity I think. You're related to r1a and J hablogroups mostly. That I hablogroup of Eastern Anatolia is related to Phyrigians (They immigrated to Anatolia from Thrace-Balkans settled in Western Anatolia and after their civilization they immigrated to Eastern Anatolia).

[Fakirbakir]

Could anybody classify her?

(Uyghur girl, Turpan, China)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Uyghur_girl_in_Turpan%2C_Xinjiang%2C_China_-_20050712.jpg

[Danishmend]

This, however, does not explain why Kurds and Armenians by far are genetically more Turkic than Anatolian Turks. Prettiness lies in the eye of the beholder btw.

Are you serious? :bored: Do you want me to post hundreds of spreadsheets, charts, studies etc?

[Proto-Shaman]

Are you serious? :bored: Do you want me to post hundreds of spreadsheets, charts, studies etc?
When they are increasing the Turkicness of Anatolian Turks I would like to see them of course.

[Danishmend]

When they are increasing the Turkicness of Anatolian Turks I would like to see them of course.

I mean, do you seriously think that Kurds/Armenians are genetically more Turkic than Anatolian Turks? They lack East Eurasian admixture, which is one of the indicators of Central Asian ancestry.

[Proto-Shaman]

I mean, do you seriously think that Kurds/Armenians are genetically more Turkic than Anatolian Turks? They lack East Eurasian admixture, which is one of the indicators of Central Asian ancestry.
These were the results of iGENEA. Here is another interesting map:
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-mtDNA-map.png

[Pahli]

These were the results of iGENEA. Here is another interesting map:
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-mtDNA-map.png

This is related to the Turks and Azeris, Kurds do not have such a high amount of East Asian admixture compared to Turks and Azeris, there is also a lot of Türkmen in Northern Iraq which could explain the higher numbers

[ButlerKing]

Fact? I would call it a hypothesis. Your statement is half-true in two things. Uyghur are:


1. not only based on Turkic Mongoloid and Iranian Caucasian, but also on other components, such as Tocharian, Chinese and Mongolian.
2. not only based on Turkic Mongoloid among the Turkic part.


Fix your hypothesis ;)

This is what you wished, you think O3 and C3 only has to do with Chinese, Mongolian. When in reality Uyghurs came from Inner Mongolia already have these haplogroup. A few percent of C3,O3 is classified as Mongolian, Chinese.

Uyghurs have 12-15% O3 , 9-11% C3, 4-6% N1C, 3-5% Q, D 2-4%

Eastern Yugurs ( original Turkic of Inner Mongolia ) 37% C3, 32% O3, 13% N1c, 8% Q, 1% D, ( there is also haplogroup O1, O2 , 3% each)

Western Yugurs also have the same frequencies, the only difference is they also have 8% R1a, 2% J and in mtDNA 4% H, 7% U. If they already had DNA than that this means around 4% of Uyghur caucasian haplogroup are also derived from Mongoloid Turkic men

[Alphawolf]

I wonder what Uyghurs think about this

also you have to ask Turks before you make such statements

also why is a south asian so interested in Turkey ? ...fucking weird

He's not from India. He's Iranian.

[ButlerKing]

This is related to the Turks and Azeris, Kurds do not have such a high amount of East Asian admixture compared to Turks and Azeris, there is also a lot of Türkmen in Northern Iraq which could explain the higher numbers

That is true, besides most of these east Asian mtDNA is considered Amerindian rather East Asian/Siberian.

Meaning it was spread during the paleolithic and Neolithic times, long before the existence of Turks but some of it are related to Huns, Avars. Bulgars

Turkish and Azeris on the other hand have mtDNA related with recent East Asian, North Asian aswell as Mongoloid Y-DNA such as Q, C3, O3, N1C, which fits the mtDNA estimates when it was spread to Turkey.

Others mtDNA in Europe is believed to be related with Huns,

[ButlerKing]

I mean, do you seriously think that Kurds/Armenians are genetically more Turkic than Anatolian Turks? They lack East Eurasian admixture, which is one of the indicators of Central Asian ancestry.

EXACTLY!, most of these East Eurasian mtDNA in Europe is not even recent Turkic/East Asian but Paleolithic times, some can be classified with the Huns, Bulgars, Avars invasions and increased but only a tiny percent

The only people who have more recent East Eurasian admixture were the Finns, Uralic.Turkish, Azeris, North Iran, have both East Asian/North Asian mtDNA to match East Asian/North Asian Y-DNA and fits the profile of recent medieval migrations.

And the reason for this is they all show East Asian/Siberian components

[ButlerKing]

There is no such thing as pure race

There had always been migrations of people

Mongoloid mtDNA is spread to Middle east, Europe.

Caucasian mtDNA is spread to Siberia, Mongolia, Tibet, Burma, and 1 Chinese province that used to belong to Tibeto-Burmese

South Asian mtDNA is spread to Central Asia, Middle east

In Central Asia however where all people are mix race have Caucasian mtDNA lineages from 42% to 90% where as Mongoloid mtDNA is 62% to 10%.

South Tajiks having it the lowest at 10% and highest in Tajiks at 90%, although in this study it shows studies average Tajik DNA

And surprisingly most South Asian mtDNA in Central Asia was already settled long before the Turkic existed. A study claim only a few percent of South Asian mtDNA in Central Asia can be from recent Indian/Pakis ( properly slaves and Gypsies )

http://i50.tinypic.com/25hirzk.jpg

[ButlerKing]

And you know what's funny? Tajiks have higher Mongoloid haplogroups than Turkmen in this study ( well only this one ) but Turkmen have 2x to 3x higher Mongoloid blood than Tajiks. That's because thousand years before by the time of Turkic invasion of central Asia much of the R1a in Turkmen could have a Mongoloid origin.

Like the Burials of Pazyryk culture. Who would have though that men who have high R1a could be predominately Mongoloid while females who also have some Mongoloid mtDNA are pure Europoid looking

Craniological studies of samples from the Pazyryk burials revealed the presence of both Mongoloid and Caucasoid components in this population.[6] quoting G. F. Debets on the physical characteristics of the population in the Pazyryk kurgans, records a mixed population. The men would seem to be part Mongoloid and the women Europoid.[7]



This means you can't trust simply by looking at haplogroups. The only way to be sure is to dugged up the burial of what they would hav e looked like

[Proto-Shaman]

That is true, besides most of these east Asian mtDNA is considered Amerindian rather East Asian/Siberian.

Meaning it was spread during the paleolithic and Neolithic times, long before the existence of Turks but some of it are related to Huns, Avars. Bulgars

Turkish and Azeris on the other hand have mtDNA related with recent East Asian, North Asian aswell as Mongoloid Y-DNA such as Q, C3, O3, N1C, which fits the mtDNA estimates when it was spread to Turkey.

Others mtDNA in Europe is believed to be related with Huns,
C3 is proto-Caucasoid (https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2013/04/27/k-16-admixture-analysis-of-mongoloids/) and Q is not Mongoloid to begin with. O3 not even related to Turkics, but to NOP common ancestor.

[ButlerKing]

C3 is proto-Caucasoid (https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2013/04/27/k-16-admixture-analysis-of-mongoloids/) and Q is not Mongoloid to begin with. O3 not even related to Turkics, but to NOP common ancestor.

Lol is this for real? you use the source of this lunatic dumbass blogger from genetiker.wordpress.com, not from any authentic genetic study. Full of errors and full of nonsense, unscientific bullshit who even claim the Phonecians were in America's before Columbus. HE IS A DUMB IDIOT. The funny thing is even claimed Japanese are 7% proto-nordic/mediterrean AND 1.39% Negroid even though every genetic chart shows them with 0% Caucasian DNA. He even claimed haplogroup D2 in Ainu was due to Negrito's people who mixed with the Ainu. Such is this dumb fool.

If C3 and Q are proto-caucasoid why these markers reaches 100% in Mongoloid population where Caucasian admixture is 0%? where as every existing Caucasoid population with C3 and Q always shows Mongoloid admixture? Where is evidence that ancient caucasoid carried C3 or Q? NONE

If they are proto-caucasoid than
haplogroup E must be 100% proto-negroid,

because the oldest carrier of E had strong Negroid traits and look like a Bantu on the other had there is no evidence that ancient pure proto-Caucasoid carried any C3 or Q, and it makes no sense for this idiot to claim they are when there is no skeletal evidence, as well as being non-existant in pure Caucasian population on the other hand the oldest carrier of haplogroup E is a negroid/Australoid looking man, and this marker reaches 100% in many Sub-Saharan Negroid tribes where caucasian admixture reaches 0%

So that means Proto-Negroid paternal Y-DNA in Turkey is more than 10% and 20-40% in Southern Europe and South West Europe


http://thegeneticatlas.com/E.png

[Proto-Shaman]

Lol is this for real? you use the source of this lunatic dumbass blogger from genetiker.wordpress.com, not from any authentic genetic study. Full of errors and full of nonsense, unscientific bullshit who even claim the Phonecians were in America's before Columbus. HE IS A DUMB IDIOT. The funny thing is even claimed Japanese are 7% proto-nordic/mediterrean AND 1.39% Negroid even though every genetic chart shows them with 0% Caucasian DNA. He even claimed haplogroup D2 in Ainu was due to Negrito's people who mixed with the Ainu. Such is this dumb fool.

If C3 and Q are proto-caucasoid why these markers reaches 100% in Mongoloid population where Caucasian admixture is 0%? where as every existing Caucasoid population with C3 and Q always shows Mongoloid admixture? Where is evidence that ancient caucasoid carried C3 or Q? NONE

If they are proto-caucasoid than
haplogroup E must be 100% proto-negroid,

because the oldest carrier of E had strong Negroid traits and look like a Bantu on the other had there is no evidence that ancient pure proto-Caucasoid carried any C3 or Q, and it makes no sense for this idiot to claim they are when there is no skeletal evidence, as well as being non-existant in pure Caucasian population on the other hand the oldest carrier of haplogroup E is a negroid/Australoid looking man, and this marker reaches 100% in many Sub-Saharan Negroid tribes where caucasian admixture reaches 0%

So that means Proto-Negroid paternal Y-DNA in Turkey is more than 10% and 20-40% in Southern Europe and South West Europe


http://thegeneticatlas.com/E.png
Ok, you disagree with scientific facts. What was your point then? That haplogroup P was mongoloid?

[ButlerKing]

Ok, you disagree with scientific facts. What was your point then? That haplogroup P was mongoloid?

Random nonsense genetic blog = scientific facts?

Besides everything he says contradicts it in every other scientific studies. Funny how you have balls to claim these haplogroup as Proto-Caucasoid even though they are non-existent in modern pure caucasoid population. While denying haplogroup E is proto-negroid even though many admits it is.

BY THE WAY...... WHY NOT CLAIM NEGRITO WITH 36% HAPLOGROUP P* as proto-caucasoid aswell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_P-M45
" This haplogroup contains the patrilineal ancestors of many Europeans and almost all of the indigenous peoples of the Americas. It also contains approximately one third to two thirds of the males among various populations of Central Asia and Southern Asia, as well as among 1/3 of males in the Aeta. Different definitions of P exist. Increased phylogenic resolution has found that the P clade that makes up Q and R is just one branch of the entire P.


36% haplogroup P in Aeta people, are you going to claim these people are proto-caucasoid ? I mean they had haplogroup P since 42,000 years ago :rolleyes:

http://www.phototour.minneapolis.mn.us/pics/5988.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Ok, you disagree with scientific facts. What was your point then? That haplogroup P was mongoloid?

Average Aeta 36% haplogroup P

Aeta of Phillipines 28% haplogroup P

Aeta of Palawan/Phillipine island 87.5% haplogroup P

I don't claim P as Mongoloid but are you going to claim these people as proto-caucasoids:rolleyes:

https://ourstorian.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/aeta4yi1.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

Average Aeta 36% haplogroup P

Aeta of Phillipines 28% haplogroup P

Aeta of Palawan/Phillipine island 87.5% haplogroup P

I don't claim P as Mongoloid but are you going to claim these people as proto-caucasoids:rolleyes:

https://ourstorian.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/aeta4yi1.jpg
lol, you are so funny. Haplogroup R, Mal'ta boy 24.000 years ago, Mongoloid.

[ButlerKing]

lol, you are so funny. Haplogroup R, Mal'ta boy 24.000 years ago, Mongoloid.

So now you want to claim haplogroup R is a Mongoloid?

[Proto-Shaman]

So now you want to claim haplogroup R is a Mongoloid?
no. Haplogroups do no correlate with just one racial phenotype. You may have a bulk of a phenotype, but others are also evident.

[ButlerKing]

no. Haplogroups do no correlate with just one racial phenotype. You may have a bulk of a phenotype, but others are also evident.

I don't get your logic. Why would claim Q and C as proto-caucasoid when only Mongoloids and Australoids have C? South Koreans have 11-16% C3 and North Koreans have 18-23% C3 and yet they have 0% Caucasian admixture

Why don't you claim C4 as proto-caucasoid For example Australian aborigines have C4 when this marker reaches 50-90% in many Australian aboriginal sub tribe

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000ZjBDvVaji5A/s/850/680/GDeichmann-Portraits-Countries198.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

I don't get your logic. Why would claim Q and C as proto-caucasoid when only Mongoloids and Australoids have C? South Koreans have 11-16% C3 and North Koreans have 18-23% C3 and yet they have 0% Caucasian admixture

Why don't you claim C4 as proto-caucasoid For example Australian aborigines have C4 when this marker reaches 50-90% in many Australian aboriginal sub tribe

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000ZjBDvVaji5A/s/850/680/GDeichmann-Portraits-Countries198.jpg
Have you ever seen the Baikal type? Here is a North Korean example:

http://kulturio.cz/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Foto-c.7.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Have you ever seen the Baikal type? Here is a North Korean example:

http://kulturio.cz/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Foto-c.7.jpg

So what the hell is this? a pure Mongoloid old man with a wrinkle distorted face = what?


Baikal type, high C3

http://www.unspecial.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/p26.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

So what the hell is this? a pure Mongoloid old man with a wrinkle distorted face = what?


Baikal type, high C3

http://www.unspecial.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/p26.jpg

actually he was classified as pseudo-Turanid and dinarid.

[Proto-Shaman]

This is the Baikal type: (Evenki man)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51678&d=1414010991
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51679&d=1414011047
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51680&d=1414011482

[ButlerKing]

actually he was classified as pseudo-Turanid and dinarid.

Who classifies a old wrinkly north Korean man as pseudo-Turanid or diranid? must be some random idiot member. Not to mention his old feature from that angle make him look distorted


I've seen many Europeans and Europeans kings and queens that look pseudo-mongoloid.

If looking a slightly less Mongoloid classifies them as Diranid

Than 50% of Finland people are pure Mongoloid uraloids

Here, dark hair Turanid-Mongoloid-caucasian mix

http://images.travelpod.com/users/foegoer/liekiegoesasia.1159718760.pekka_and_hela_finnish_c ouple.jpg

Famous pure Finland people with Mongoloid phenotypes

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141218153847/real-life-villains/images/5/5e/Pekka-eric_auvinen.jpg
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5808&stc=1&d=1284930298

[ButlerKing]

This is the Baikal type: (Evenki man)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51678&d=1414010991
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51679&d=1414011047
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51680&d=1414011482


All the pictures you showed me are me people who look 100% Mongoloid, can be found in Southern China and Southeast Asia

Oh look, a Vietnamese old wrinkly who suffers from Asthma looks more Diranid than Korean.

http://1000uglypeople.com/wp-content/uploads/Just-Relaxing-Ugly-Old-Man.jpg

And what about Himmler? a German Aryan with Hunnic mongoloid features

http://usminc.org/Paranormal/Famous/famous_images/Himmler.jpg

[Kabul]

There was never much rivalry between until the sino-indian war

I see that you have removed the "us" part from your comment. That's okay, I screen shotted it back when it still said "us". Good to see that you finally admit your Indian non-European identity :thumb001:

[zarzian]

lol, you are so funny. Haplogroup R, Mal'ta boy 24.000 years ago, Mongoloid.

Hasan, stop it with the bullshit already, Mal'ta boy was not East Eurasion ie Mongloid http://dienekes.blogspot.ca/2013/11/ancient-dna-from-upper-paleolithic-lake.html

[Proto-Shaman]

Hasan, stop it with the bullshit already, Mal'ta boy was not East Eurasion ie Mongloid http://dienekes.blogspot.ca/2013/11/ancient-dna-from-upper-paleolithic-lake.html

Here is more bullshitt, abdul-karim:

"Mongoloid features had been originally acknowledged in the skeletal remains of a child found at the site of Malta. Alexeev (1998, 323) in his later publication was more cautious, stating that this area was “inhabited by a population of Mongoloid appearance.” Discussing the skeletal remains from the Zhoukoudian Upper Cave (the “Old Man”), Kamminga (1992) argues that this specimen being distinct from the “modern Mongoloid morphology” lies relatively close to that of the Ainu."

http://shinku.nichibun.ac.jp/jpub/pdf/jr/IJ1507.pdf

[zarzian]

Here is more bullshitt, abdul-karim:

"Mongoloid features had been originally acknowledged in the skeletal remains of a child found at the site of Malta. Alexeev (1998, 323) in his later publication was more cautious, stating that this area was “inhabited by a population of Mongoloid appearance.” Discussing the skeletal remains from the Zhoukoudian Upper Cave (the “Old Man”), Kamminga (1992) argues that this specimen being distinct from the “modern Mongoloid morphology” lies relatively close to that of the Ainu."

http://shinku.nichibun.ac.jp/jpub/pdf/jr/IJ1507.pdf

Forget that article, fast forward to when they did a genetic test, they found his basal to most West Eurasians and native Americans, he is ancestral to the ANE component Hasan, ANE is not Mongloid.

[Proto-Shaman]

Forget that article, fast forward to when they did a genetic test, they found his basal to most West Eurasians and native Americans, he is ancestral to the ANE component Hasan, ANE is not Mongloid.
Ainu aren't Mongoloid either. And of course ANE isn't Mongoloid. It's a marker for Eurasians. Echo of the Nostratic times.

[ButlerKing]

Forget that article, fast forward to when they did a genetic test, they found his basal to most West Eurasians and native Americans, he is ancestral to the ANE component Hasan, ANE is not Mongloid.

He had Mongoloid features.

Also they claimed he was 1/3 Native American, 1/3 South Asian, 1/3 West Eurasian

[Arhat]

He had Mongoloid features.

Also they claimed he was 1/3 Native American, 1/3 South Asian, 1/3 West Eurasian

he had zero east asian admixture and native americans look today mongolid because their ancestors mixed with mongolid people in eastern siberia but orginally their siberian ancestors were not mongolid and more related to west asian people. Can you prove me that he look mongolid? He was dark but not mongolid

[ButlerKing]

Ainu aren't Mongoloid either. And of course ANE isn't Mongoloid. It's a marker for Eurasians. Echo of the Nostratic times.

Ainu are 100% Mongoloid, 0% Caucasoid.

The Ainu are what Mongoloids from 20-000 - 40,000 years ago would look like before the East Asian Mongoloids were born. Which is really a neotinized ( deformed by the ice age ) and giving shrink face appearance


"Full-blooded Ainu, compared to people of Yamato descent, often have lighter skin and more body hair.[41] Many early investigators proposed a Caucasian ancestry,[42] although recent DNA tests have not shown any genetic similarity with modern Europeans. Cavalli-Sforza places the Ainu in his "Northeast and East Asian" genetic cluster.[43]"

" Anthropologist Joseph Powell of the University of New Mexico said that the Ainu descend from the Jōmon people who are an East Asian population with "closest biological affinity with south-east Asians rather than western Eurasian peoples".[44] "

"
Mark J. Hudson, Professor of Anthropology at Nishikyushu University, Kanzaki, Saga, Japan, said Japan was settled by a "Proto-Mongoloid" population in the Pleistocene who became the Jōmon and their features can be seen in the Ainu and Okinawan people.[45] Margaret Sleeboom-Faulkner of the Department of Anthropology at the University of Sussex said Kanzō Umehara considered the Ainu and Ryukyuans to have "preserved their proto-Mongoloid traits".[46] "

" Omoto has also shown that the Ainu are Mongoloid, and not Caucasoid, on the basis of fingerprints and dental morphology.[48] Turner found remains of Jōmon people of Japan to belong to Sundadont pattern similar with the Southern Mongoloid living populations of Taiwanese aborigines, Filipinos, Indonesians, Thais, Borneans, Laotians, and Malaysians. "


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Mongoloid_Australoid_Negrito_Asia_Distribution_of_ Asian_peoples_Sinodont_Sundadont.GIF/640px-Mongoloid_Australoid_Negrito_Asia_Distribution_of_ Asian_peoples_Sinodont_Sundadont.GIF

[Proto-Shaman]

he had zero east asian admixture and native americans look today mongolid because their ancestors mixed with mongolid people in eastern siberia but orginally their siberian ancestors were not mongolid and more related to west asian people. Can you prove me that he look mongolid? He was dark but not mongolid
nobody was talking about east asians here.

[Proto-Shaman]

Ainu are 100% Mongoloid, 0% Caucasoid.
Are you sure?
https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1393/18/1393188723469.jpg
http://www.tofugu.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/B.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Are you sure?
https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1393/18/1393188723469.jpg
http://www.tofugu.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/B.jpg

LOL those two Ainu are brothers. The first picture is Chief Miyamoto who is actually a descendant of Polish father and Ainu women, same with the 2nd picture. But okay, it doesn't matter. I'm sure there are pure Ainu that look like that.

By the way, are you sure albino or depigmented Dravidians, Australian aborigines, Africans are not part of the Caucasian race aswell?

They suit the Hitler Aryan super nordic race

Dravidian blonde hair white skin

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/207/535559954_3965ce90fe_z.jpg
African Nigerian blue eyes/blonde hair

http://funguerilla.com/images/strange-weird/albino/albino27.jpg

[ButlerKing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1fourywyQ

[Proto-Shaman]

LOL those two Ainu are brothers. The first picture is Chief Miyamoto who is actually a descendant of Polish father and Ainu women, same with the 2nd picture. But okay, it doesn't matter. I'm sure there are pure Ainu that look like that.
Must be a ButlerKing rumour. Anyway, I didn't found anything you said.


By the way, are you sure albino or depigmented Dravidians, Australian aborigines, Africans are not part of the Caucasian race aswell?

They suit the Hitler Aryan super nordic race

Dravidian blonde hair white skin

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/207/535559954_3965ce90fe_z.jpg
African Nigerian blue eyes/blonde hair

http://funguerilla.com/images/strange-weird/albino/albino27.jpg
No. I don't.

[ButlerKing]

Must be a ButlerKing rumour. Anyway, I didn't found anything you said.


No. I don't.

You could be right. Even I couldn't find the source right now.

HOWEVER

Google translate Japanese to English


Classification of ancient Jomon


A team of scientists led by Yamashita maeda to determine racial classification of Jomon and Ainu


" Jomon share more cranial similarity with caucasians but even more so with pacific islanders and people from South India, he furthered said they even shared more similarity with Amerindians and Taiwan aborigines than those of European and caucasoid descent "

" This had let Yamashita to conclude that Jomons are light skinned pacific islanders "

" Unless one is to consider non-caucasoid people with similar cranial features as caucasoid, we cannot say Jomons are caucasoid. "

" Scientist Yamashita also said Ainu and Jomons both have thicker lips than Caucasoid and Japanese, nose and nostrils are usually more broad and wider, with more body hair. "

" Hair ranges from straight to wavy, nose is small and broad to long and hooked, lengthy beard , thicker lips, larger mouth with round eyes"


http://jomon-japan.jp/en/wp-content/themes/jomon-japan/images/jomon-cultur/img_2-036.jpg
http://www.denki-kawaraban.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/yayoi-jomun.jpg
http://sites.psu.edu/hapadesu/wp-content/uploads/sites/9681/2014/03/f04da22dd51e11fdbb6a30.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2u7uo86.png

[ButlerKing]

So what now? going to claim Polynesians as Caucasians or even anatolian turks too?

http://www.meanbro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Tukukino.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

So what now? going to claim Polynesians as Caucasians or even anatolian turks too?

http://www.meanbro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Tukukino.jpg
This Negroid type looks ancestral to Caucasoids and Mongoloids.

[Rom21]

She is not Uyghur. She is tatar. Her name is Alfina Nassyrova
http://i.imgur.com/2Qm9zkz.jpg
http://cs411124.vk.me/v411124799/216c/T5r3SwdyjGw.jpg
https://pp.vk.me/c5456/u125038791/126767761/x_52556a0e.jpg
She is not Uyghur too. She is kazakh. Her name is Symbat Madyarova
http://files.fbstatic.com/PostImages/0/0/35a9c570-1310-4d6f-b420-b4ee9cffc34a.jpg
http://top-antropos.com/images/13/symbat-madyarova/symbat-madyarova%20(9).jpg
http://i48.fastpic.ru/big/2013/0522/a9/08ba99237cc41e7e9ba1c2a8a4a7c7a9.jpg

[Pahli]

R.I.P Eastern Iranians

[Danishmend]

R.I.P Eastern Iranians
Eastern Iranians my ass. Even if the Uyghurs had some Tocharian blood, that would still not make them eastern iranian at all, as Tocharians were not Iranian.
The ancient eastern Iranians (Scythian, Bactrians etc) had nothing to do with modern mesopotamian donkeys anyway.

[Pahli]

Eastern Iranians my ass. Even if the Uyghurs had some Tocharian blood, that would still not make eastern iranian at all, as Tocharians were not Iranian.
The ancient eastern Iranians (Scythian, Bactrians etc) had nothing to do with modern mesopotamian donkeys anyway.

I didn't even mention Iranians being Uyghur you dumbass

They had a lot to do with us, we were the same people :)

But whatever, your mongolic ancestors slaughtered off most of them and assimilated the rest, which gave birth to Turks and Turkmen :)

[gültekin]

Eastern Iranians my ass. Even if the Uyghurs had some Tocharian blood, that would still not make eastern iranian at all, as Tocharians were not Iranian.
The ancient eastern Iranians (Scythian, Bactrians etc) had nothing to do with modern mesopotamian donkeys anyway.
ah c'mon,don't hurt his feelings, you are so brutal xD
http://s28.postimg.org/x96s75n0t/kurt_680557.jpg

[Danishmend]

I didn't even mention Iranians being Uyghur you dumbass

They had a lot to do with us, we were the same people :)

But whatever, your mongolic ancestors killed off most them of them and assimilated the rest, which gave birth to Turks and Turkmen :)

Yes you did, you imply that Uyghurs are Turkified Eastern Iranians by saying "rip eastern iranians" in this thread.
Keep dreaming about being Scythian, I don't care. Just keep your mesopotamian hands off Turkic peoples.

[Pahli]

ah c'mon,don't hurt his feelings, you are so brutal xD
http://s28.postimg.org/x96s75n0t/kurt_680557.jpg

Welcome back from kindergarten xD

[Pahli]

Yes you did, you imply that Uyghurs are Turkified Eastern Iranians by saying "rip eastern iranians" in this thread.
Keep dreaming about Scythian, I don't care. Just keep your mesopotamian hands off Turkic peoples.

I'm not even from Mesopotamia

Most Türkic people are assimilated Eastern Iranians / Tocharians (Uyghur), thats why you can scream so much about "CAUCASOID TURANID" shit in the forums all day :D

[Alchemysta]

Dam girls are hot.

[AndyDandy]

Turanid girls are quite pretty.

[Danishmend]

I'm not even from Mesopotamia

Most Türkic people are assimilated Eastern Iranians / Tocharians (Uyghur), thats why you can scream so much about "CAUCASOID TURANID" shit in the forums all day :D

Is that so? Most "Iranic peoples", especially those who call themselves kurds are Indo-Europeanized armeno-mesopotamians with some elamite admixture. They have nothing to do with steppe Indo-Europeans. I don't like interacting with you and your kind, you are disgusting. Just don't pollute our topics with your dirty mesopotamian hands. Go stalk certain female members as you always do.

[Pahli]

Is that so? Most "Iranic peoples", especially those who call themselves kurds are Indo-Europeanized armeno-mesopotamians with some elamite admixture. They have nothing to do with steppe Indo-Europeans. Look I don't like interacting with you and your kind, you are disgusting. Just don't pollute our topics with your dirty mesopotamian hands. Go stalk certain female members as you always do.

Just get off the forum you dumbass, you don't know shit and you're throwing up random bs that doesn't even make sense xD

[ButlerKing]

I'm not even from Mesopotamia

Most Türkic people are assimilated Eastern Iranians / Tocharians (Uyghur), thats why you can scream so much about "CAUCASOID TURANID" shit in the forums all day :D

What you say is 100% true.

[ButlerKing]

Eastern Iranians my ass. Even if the Uyghurs had some Tocharian blood, that would still not make them eastern iranian at all, as Tocharians were not Iranian.
The ancient eastern Iranians (Scythian, Bactrians etc) had nothing to do with modern mesopotamian donkeys anyway.

Tocharian were not turks. The Chinese clearly distinguished Turkic tribes of Mongolia from central Asians since Han dynasty fought them.

[Pahli]

Tocharian were not turks. The Chinese clearly distinguished Turkic tribes of Mongolia from from central Asians since Han dynasty fought them.

He doesn't know his shit

[gültekin]

He doesn't know his shit
and you Kıro are a better expert about shits, especially about Donkey shits right?
of course you clever Kurds making heating materials about them . what was its name in your language? i'm pretty sure it sounds like nuclear science
http://d.haberciniz.biz/other/varto-da-tezek-kurutma-donemi-IHA-20130427AW000466-4-t.jpg

[Danishmend]

Tocharian were not turks.
When did I say that? I said they were not Iranic but a different branch of IE.


He doesn't know his shit
You are better at stalking certain female members, kıro. Let others do the talking about history.

[Pahli]

You are better at stalking certain female members, kıro. Let other do the talking about history.

Is that the only thing you can say? xD

[Pahli]

and you Kıro are a better expert about shits, especially about Donkey shits right?
of course you clever Kurds making heating materials about them . what was its name in your language? i'm pretty sure it sounds like nuclear science
http://d.haberciniz.biz/other/varto-da-tezek-kurutma-donemi-IHA-20130427AW000466-4-t.jpg

I know more than you thats for sure.

[gültekin]

I know more than you thats for sure.
of course , even Donkey shit-fuel is your gift to the Humankind, Kurds are blessed xD

[Proto-Shaman]

I'm not even from Mesopotamia

Most Türkic people are assimilated Eastern Iranians / Tocharians (Uyghur), thats why you can scream so much about "CAUCASOID TURANID" shit in the forums all day :D
You are such a genius Zoran, my new signature :lightbul:

[Pahli]

You are such a genius Zoran, my new signature :lightbul:

I had to say that because some radical Turanists said that its bs xD

Should be common fucking knowledge

[gültekin]

I had to say that because some radical Turanists said that its bs xD

Should be common fucking knowledge
wow such a stunning Kürdish science , originality, invasion, technology , no one can mess with you xD
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=42899fd2debd" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Proto-Shaman]

When did I say that? I said they were not Iranic but a different branch of IE.
Let alone the fact that Tocharians were not even IE. "Tocharian" (a Turkic ethnonym) is just a philological euphemism for 3 different IE dialects once spoken in some parts of the tarim basin.

[Pahli]

Let alone the fact that Tocharians were not even IE. "Tocharian" (a Turkic ethnonym) is just a philological euphemism for 3 different IE dialects once spoken in some parts of the tarim basin.

We don't know enough to say so, but they are assumed to be an IE-people and their language as well

[Velda]

wow such a stunning Kürdish science , originality, invasion, technology , no one can mess with you xD
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=42899fd2debd" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/kurdish3d1vrjckqf.jpg (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)
...

[gültekin]

...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkKtrBa3i74

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHcTp_g5BGA

[Goujian]

Western Yugurs are the bona fide descendants of the Uyghur confederation, fleeing to what is now Gansu province after the destruction of the Uyghur Khaganate. As a result they speak a direct descendant of the Old Turkic/Old Uyghur language.

http://members.home.nl/marcmarti/yugur/plaatjes/plucking_wool.jpg

http://members.home.nl/marcmarti/yugur/plaatjes/yakhyr_norjis.jpg

http://members.home.nl/marcmarti/yugur/language/wyutext/folklore.pdf
http://members.home.nl/marcmarti/yugur/biblio/ROOS_WesternYugurLanguage.pdf

[Kamal900]

Let alone the fact that Tocharians were not even IE. "Tocharian" (a Turkic ethnonym) is just a philological euphemism for 3 different IE dialects once spoken in some parts of the tarim basin.

Tocharians were indo-europeans, and they are predominately caucasians during the early bronze age period. A lot of them do have Turanid features, and they are mostly came from western eurasian males and eastern eurasian females:
"In 2009, the remains of individuals found at a site in Xiaohe were analyzed for Y-DNA and mtDNA markers. They suggest that an admixed population of both west and east origin lived in the Tarim basin since the early Bronze Age. The maternal lineages were predominantly East Eurasian haplogroup C with smaller numbers of H and K, while the paternal lines were all West Eurasian R1a1a. The geographic location of where this admixing took place is unknown, although south Siberia is likely."
Chunxiang Li, Hongjie Li, Yinqiu Cui, Chengzhi Xie, Dawei Cai, Wenying Li, Victor H Mair, Zhi Xu, Quanchao Zhang, Idelis Abuduresule, Li Jin, Hong Zhu and Hui Zhou (2010). (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2838831/)

[Proto-Shaman]

Tocharians were indo-europeans, and they are predominately caucasians during the early bronze age period. A lot of them do have Turanid features, and they are mostly came from western eurasian males and eastern eurasian females:
"In 2009, the remains of individuals found at a site in Xiaohe were analyzed for Y-DNA and mtDNA markers. They suggest that an admixed population of both west and east origin lived in the Tarim basin since the early Bronze Age. The maternal lineages were predominantly East Eurasian haplogroup C with smaller numbers of H and K, while the paternal lines were all West Eurasian R1a1a. The geographic location of where this admixing took place is unknown, although south Siberia is likely."
Chunxiang Li, Hongjie Li, Yinqiu Cui, Chengzhi Xie, Dawei Cai, Wenying Li, Victor H Mair, Zhi Xu, Quanchao Zhang, Idelis Abuduresule, Li Jin, Hong Zhu and Hui Zhou (2010). (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2838831/)
Did you ever heard of Mahmud al-Kashgari before?

[Kamal900]

Did you ever heard of Mahmud al-Kashgari before?

Yes, i do. He written a book in the 11th century that describes the languages and cultures of the Turkic peoples for the Arab caliphs in Baghdad. What of him?

[Proto-Shaman]

Yes, i do. He written a book in the 11th century that describes the languages and cultures of the Turkic peoples for the Arab caliphs in Baghdad. What of him?
he listed a tribe with the name Tokhar within Turkic Oghur group that has nothing to do with the Tocharians who supposedly spoke an IE language.

[meis]

Nitpicking doesn't change the the fact that most of the Uyghurs are diverse. Their phenotypes are varied. Most of them are admixtures of Caucasoid (Central Asian actually) and Mongoloid. You can even read it on wiki.

You definitely have not seen an Ugyhur with strong Mongoloid/East Asia phenotypes/features... (just for the sake of argument) just say 50% Caucasoid (Central Asian) 50% Mongoloid... just say he/she can easily pass as an average Chinese people (citizen of China) that you see walking on the street.

Google:
古力娜扎 Gul Nazar - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_xYXUhvAIk
帕丽扎提 Parissa
麥迪娜 Madina Memet - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0n5OAQBGGw
迪丽热巴 迪力木拉提 Dilraba Dilmurat
努尔比亚 Nurbiya

Watch their videos. Look through hundreds of their pictures from multiple angles. You will see the Mongoloid features. Go to their Weibo pages. She works in the showbiz and was regular on the Chinese drama/movie. Try comparing 古力娜扎 Gul Nazar to 楊冪. They're twins LOL.

You can't even tell the differences when they stand next to their fellow colleagues.
Convince me really hard if you think they had no Mongoloid inside of them.

Notice the Uyghur/Islamic names? Yes. Genocide of the Uyghur is happening and they still can and allowed to keep their names and their numbers are growing. Tell that to those Chinese descendants in Indonesia and Thailand and Philippines with their bizarre names. And you dare to criticize about the Chinese gov't forcing the Uyghur to assimilate? You guys are funny and not too bright, you know?

Taiwanese Chinese and Uyghur couple.
/watch?v=dIdmTIH6bPE

Big deal, right? Well, not really. They have been mixing with each other since forever.