Classify Haitian female politician

[Leto]

Stéphanie Villedrouin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phanie_Villedrouin)
I know you expected to see a black person, but she isn't your typical Haitian. However, she identifies as a "light-skinned mulatta".
http://static.routesonline.com/images/cached/user-21386-scaled-350x500.jpg
http://www.que.es/archivos/201209/4819512w-640x640x80.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2rKZhp5V6G0/Uc5XuX_zR_I/AAAAAAABV0M/b0hKC7tJM6Y/s960/563820_10153116094185355_706208784_n.jpg
http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/emf-prod/articles/4633/stephanie-villedrouin1.jpg_w_130

[Tooting Carmen]

She looks Atlanto-Med. Nothing mulatta about her.

[SupaThug]

Does she have any SSA input?

[StonyArabia]

Atlanto-Med looks French, probably is between 1/8th SSA to 1/16th SSA.

[Hadouken]

from Togo all the way to Tanzania

[Leto]

Nothing mulatta about her.
That's the point. Her "blackness" is more political than genetical. You just can't be a white politician in Haiti. I don't know if Haitians see her as one of them.

[Hadouken]

That's the point. Her "blackness" is more political than genetical. You just can't be a white politician in Haiti. I don't know if Haitians see her as one of them.

I dont see whats the point of her identifiying that way though :D

light skinned mulatta my ass

[Leto]

Does she have any SSA input?

Balmir Villedrouin comes from a prominent family in Haiti; she is the seventh child of Alix Balmir, a Haitian diplomat from a light-skinned mulatto background, and his wife, Gladys Dubousquet, a native of the city of Gonaives, Haiti
Both her parents are Haitians, but I can't call her "black", she isn't. She is Caucasian.

[Leto]

Regular Haitians
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Haitians_voting_in_the_2006_elections.jpeg/640px-Haitians_voting_in_the_2006_elections.jpeg

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Yeah I was expecting a Black person. I don't mind her saying she is Mulatta though, she can identify however she wants. If it is true that she was some SSA ancestry I don't see the problem with her just stating that. Although I agree it's probably for political reasons. I also think she's hot :amour101:

[Willem]

light skin Igbo.

[Leto]

Yeah I was expecting a Black person. I don't mind her saying she is Mulatta though, she can identify however she wants. If it is true that she was some SSA ancestry I don't see the problem with her just stating that. Although I agree it's probably for political reasons. I also think she's hot :amour101:
Well, she would be seen as "white" in all countries of Latin America, as well as in Southern Europe. In other places she wouldn't be viewed as "black" either.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Well, she would be seen as "white" in all countries of Latin America, as well as in Southern Europe. In other places she wouldn't be viewed as "black" either.

Well Black is different than Mulatta. There's no way she's Black but if she wanted to even say she was Black that's okay with me. People can identify how they want.

[StonyArabia]

If she is Haitian she probably has some SSA blood in her, it can not be avoided.

[Leto]

If she is Haitian she probably has some SSA blood in her, it can not be avoided.
It is unseen, though.

[StonyArabia]

It is unseen, though.

Yes, it will be only present in her genetically, if she identifies as White and has French culture for example I will see her as White. Only one drop rule idiots won't though.

[SupaThug]

I dont see whats the point of her identifiying that way though :D

light skinned mulatta my ass

You would understand her better if you were more like her.

[Empecinado]

She obviously is not fully Haitian. This is the lighest a Haitian can look, she has Polish ancestry but from the early 19th century (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Haitian):

http://superselected.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Polish-Haitians-Swiatoslaw-Wojtkowiak-01.jpg

[Smaug]

Atlanto-Med.

[Hadouken]

You would understand her better if you were more like her.

:confused:

[Leto]

:confused:
He means that everyone with SSA ancestry should identify as black, even if that ancestry is unseen in the phenotype.

[randomguy1235]

Well, she would be seen as "white" in all countries of Latin America, as well as in Southern Europe. In other places she wouldn't be viewed as "black" either.

I don't think so. You can tell she's mixed.

[SupaThug]

:confused:

You and most people in this forum are monoracials!If you had some other ''exotic'' ancestry you'd understand why does she doesn't see herself as white!

[Han Cholo]

She looks like those light Dominicans. AtlantoMed my rectum.

[Leto]

I don't think so. You can tell she's mixed.
I can't.

[SupaThug]

He means that everyone with SSA ancestry should identify as black, even if that ancestry is unseen in the phenotype.

That's not what I mean man!I mean that it can be confusing,I have SSA ancestry and I do not identify as black.

[Leto]

She looks like those light Dominicans. AtlantoMed my rectum.
I don't think so.

[Han Cholo]

Well, she would be seen as "white" in all countries of Latin America, as well as in Southern Europe. In other places she wouldn't be viewed as "black" either.

Have you traveled and asked all of them if she's white or...? I don't understand this comment. Why is a Russian so obsessed with "white" and all that new world american crap? Are you Russian at all? Most of your posts contain terms foreign to your country such as "white" "black" and American identifications a person from the old world shouldn't perpetrate.

[Hadouken]

You and most people in this forum are monoracials!If you had some other ''exotic'' ancestry you'd understand why does she doesn't see herself as white!

ah ok now I understand

well it is obvious that the black in her (no pun intended) is small

if she is really a mulatta as she says then she is very atypical for a Mulatta ...she looks (mostly) Kakasoüd

[Leto]

Have you traveled and asked all of them if she's white or...? I don't understand this comment. Why is a Russian so obsessed with "white" and all that new world american crap? Are you Russian at all? Most of your posts contain terms foreign to your country such as "white" "black" and American identifications a person from the old world shouldn't perpetrate.
I'm intersted in that stuff. What's foreign to Russia, it doesn't mean shit to me. I'm atypical.

[HillY35]

I find the mouth area to be the most reliable element, in determining based on physicality whether there exists SSA in a mixed person.

[Hadouken]

She looks like those light Dominicans. AtlantoMed my rectum.

she looks way more caucasoid than you bro no lie

[Han Cholo]

she looks way more caucasoid than you bro no lie

If we're going to put it that way she also looks way more SSA than me. My comment still stands: Atlanto Med my rectum.

This Atlanto-Med, seriously?
http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/emf-prod/articles/4633/stephanie-villedrouin1.jpg_w_130

[Hadouken]

If we're going to put it that way she also looks way more SSA than me. My comment still stands: Atlanto Med my rectum.

ssa is very little in her appereance ...while Amerindian is high in yours (not that there is something bad about it ...but you see her more exotic than she is and I say this as a comparison only)

she is Atlanto Med + something exotic added but Atlanto Med is definitely not your rectum :D

[Han Cholo]

ssa is very little in her appereance ...while Amerindian is high in yours (not that there is something bad about it ...but you see her more exotic than she is and I say this as a comparison only)

she is Atlanto Med + something exotic added but Atlanto Med is definitely not your rectum :D

She doesn't look obviously SSA but one can see something off is putting her appearance away. I estimate her to be around 15% SSA, perhaps a little less. Moreover, her Caucasoid part doesn't seem to be Atlanto-Med, so regardless the classification should still be wrong. Amerindian is not a real race though, it's Caucasoid + Mongoloid + a little South Asian. So I don't understand what Amerindian admix has to do with this? I don't think she has any. Native Haitians died early on.

[Hadouken]

yes so you agree with me her exotic part is very little ...the Atlanto Med is visible

and Amerindian is Mongoloid ...nothing wrong with mongoloid

[Han Cholo]

yes so you agree with me her exotic part is very little ...the Atlanto Med is visible

The exotic part is still visible, as opposed to most people saying she's just claiming to be Haitian just for political purposes.



and Amerindian is Mongoloid ...nothing wrong with mongoloid

Except it's not Mongoloid (completely). Otherwise even you and half of Western Eurasia (except for extreme wogs like Saudis and North Africans) would be part Mongoloid (no homo).

http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/blankmapeurope57nabwr3eh.png

ANE peaks in Amerindian yet even Iranians and Kurds have 20% of this, thus it can't be a Mongoloid component (as even Spain or England have higher of this component than China or Vietnam).

Amerindians are East Asian + ANE and a little South Asian. They are an old hybrid.

[Empecinado]

In this photo the SSA and maybe a bit of Amerindian is noticeable. I have seen this kind of eye and nose shape in Mulatas from Dominican Republic and Cuba, though more exaggerated:.

http://www.que.es/archivos/201209/4819512w-640x640x80.jpg

[Hadouken]

The exotic part is still visible, as opposed to most people saying she's just claiming to be Haitian just for political purposes.



Except it's not Mongoloid (completely). Otherwise even you and half of Western Eurasia would be part Mongoloid (no homo).

http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/blankmapeurope57nabwr3eh.png

ANE peaks in Amerindian yet even Iranians and Kurds have 20% of this, thus it can't be a Mongoloid component (as even Spain or England have higher of this component than China or Vietnam).

:lol: I loled

ok lets say Amerindian is predominantly mongoloid ;) that is actually correct also according to anthropologists ...I never have seen anybody doubting that Native American people are of mongoloid stock :confused:

regarding west asians ...there is a bit of admix for sure so I wont rule mongoloid admix out but we are pred. caucasoid (the same way amerindians are pred. mongoloid)

[solaris]

looks greekish to me.

[Han Cholo]

:lol: I loled

ok lets say Amerindian is predominantly mongoloid ;) that is actually correct also according to anthropologists ...I never have seen anybody doubting that Native American people are of mongoloid stock :confused:

Amerindians (especially Northern ones) were noted to have traits similar to Europeans since they were discovered by the outside world. It hadn't been extensively proved until relatively recently:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/


Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian people linked to the Middle East and Europe, rather than entirely from East Asians as previously thought, according to a newly sequenced genome.

"This study changes this idea because it shows that a significant minority of Native American ancestry actually derives not from East Asia but from a people related to present-day western Eurasians," Willerslev said.




regarding west asians ...there is a bit of admix for sure so I wont rule mongoloid admix out but we are pred. caucasoid (the same way amerindians are pred. mongoloid)

It's admix from an ancient Caucasoid steppe group, not Mongoloid. Amerindians picked true Mongoloid genetics in their way on Siberia.




Either way, this is very off topic. I just do not doubt the woman in question is actually Haitian. I also do not think she just looks "Atlanto Med" and is pretending to be part black just for the lolz (because it does show a little). I also don't think she can pass in Southern Europe.

[Antimage]

. I also don't think she can pass in Southern Europe.

if Ilias Kasidiaris can pass (Well, i think he pass cuz he's from greece) than this woman pass too. although probably one in a million looks like that greek guy.
http://www.grreporter.info/en/sites/default/files/photo_2_0.jpg

[Yuffayur]

Atlanto-Med looks French, probably is between 1/8th SSA to 1/16th SSA.

http://www.gifday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2lmlxme.gif





from Togo all the way to Tanzania

She's typical for Cameroon.

[Anthropologique]

Mostly Atlantid. Hard to see much SSA in her.

[Smeagol]

She doesn't look French, or Atlantomed. She would not even be considered White in the US. Her negroid admixture is clear even of it's at a low level.

[FeederOfRavens]

She wouldn't be considered white here either.

[Antimage]

I dont see whats the point of her identifiying that way though :D

light skinned mulatta my ass

Ryan Giggs, 1/4 black. There's another 3/4 british 1/4 black footballer, can pass as 100% british but i forgot his name
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/2/28/1298924214269/Ryan-Giggs-1990-headshot-001.jpghttp://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02894/Ryan_Giggs_2894785b.jpg

[Leto]

What about North Africa? Is she passable there?

[Ades]

If she took a DNA test she would most likely score around 10-15% non-European (African or African+Amerindian).

[Leto]

If she took a DNA test she would most likely score around 10-15% non-European (African or African+Amerindian).
Were there Amerindians in Haiti?

[SupaThug]

Were there Amerindians in Haiti?

The taínos lived there!

[Ades]

Were there Amerindians in Haiti?

Probably, but I am not sure. I mentioned African or African+Amerindian because she looks a bit "exotic" for someone 100% European.

She's certainly not your average Haitian though. We have thousands of Haitians immigrants in my state in Brazil. They are all pitch black.

[Tiberio]

So are there still people with visible european blood?

[Leto]

So are there still people with visible european blood?
Very few and all of them should be the upper class.

[Jerban]

Med + Amerindian.
Haitians are usually ~80% Subsaharan African.

[Leto]

Med + Amerindian.
Haitians are usually ~80% Subsaharan African.
Many look purely West African.

[Peter Nirsch]

European mixed with amerindian/black

[Jerban]

Many look purely West African.

Almost all look pred. West African, but genetically they're 80% SSA and the rest is Native American/West Eurasian.

[Leto]

Almost all look pred. West African, but genetically they're 80% SSA and the rest is Native American/West Eurasian.
Do you mean European?

[Jerban]

Do you mean European?

Yes.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9-yEBRrHGu8/UbgxJFIe1oI/AAAAAAAAASY/_W1cwNaQhoI/s1600/Moreno-Estrada_2013_Fig1C.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ExIgwE8BXXU/UbbkXu9MqTI/AAAAAAAAARw/i4lXFszwk5c/s1600/Moreno-Estrada_2013_Fig1B.png

[Tiberio]

Yes.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9-yEBRrHGu8/UbgxJFIe1oI/AAAAAAAAASY/_W1cwNaQhoI/s1600/Moreno-Estrada_2013_Fig1C.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ExIgwE8BXXU/UbbkXu9MqTI/AAAAAAAAARw/i4lXFszwk5c/s1600/Moreno-Estrada_2013_Fig1B.png

Interesting. Probably some indigenous were firstly admixed with the europeans and subsequently the big number of black slaves has absorbed the mestizo people.
Wasn't the french elite of Haiti expelled in 1800?

[SupaThug]

Interesting. Probably some indigenous were firstly admixed with the europeans and subsequently the big number of black slaves has absorbed the mestizo people.
Wasn't the french elite of Haiti expelled in 1800?

Yes,they were expelled by the haitian revolution!

[Mortimer]

she looks white to me, completely white i dont see anything black about her. some here think she looks part black but i dont think that, she looks like a brunette european woman to me. but if she has some SSA admix like 10-15% she can identify as "light skinned mullata" which is what she technically is (even if she doesnt show negroid) she didnt said she is "black" but even if she said she is black it would still make sense historically and socially

[SupaThug]

she looks white to me, completely white i dont see anything black about her. some here think she looks part black but i dont think that, she looks like a brunette european woman to me. but if she has some SSA admix like 10-15% she can identify as "light skinned mullata" which is what she technically is (even if she doesnt show negroid) she didnt said she is "black" but even if she said she is black it would still make sense historically and socially

She is part SSA!Identifying as ''light-skinned mulatta'' doesn't really make sense because mulattos are half black people,not people who have some SSA input,if that was true,I would be a light-skinned mulatto!

[Mortimer]

She is part SSA!Identifying as ''light-skinned mulatta'' doesn't really make sense because mulattos are half black people,not people who have some SSA input,if that was true,I would be a light-skinned mulatto!

true but there are quadroons octroons etc. maybe she is a octroon or quadroon some quadroons also pass as white she is mixed race if she has black ancestry even she doesnt show it

[SupaThug]

true but there are quadroons octroons etc. maybe she is a octroon or quadroon some quadroons also pass as white she is mixed race if she has black ancestry even she doesnt show it

I don't think she is more than 10% african!Octoroons look more african than her.

[Mortimer]

I don't think she is more than 10% african!Octoroons look more african than her.

i dont know much she is but she could be 20% too, it doesnt ALWAYS show in the phenotype, most octroons dont look anything black and they are 12% black

[SupaThug]

i dont know much she is but she could be 20% too, it doesnt ALWAYS show in the phenotype, most octroons dont look anything black and they are 12% black

Man,african genes are very dominant,I had a great uncle who was no more than 10% african and had kinky african hair!People who are 20% african cleary show it on phenotype,trust me,I live in a country where african genes are very widespread :thumbs up

[Mortimer]

Man,african genes are very dominant,I had a great uncle who was no more than 10% african and had kinky african hair!People who are 20% african cleary show it on phenotype,trust me,I live in a country where african genes are very widespread :thumbs up

you can be 10% african and have kinky hair but you can be 20% african and dont show it at all. it depends on the individual unless she tells how much black she is we dont know it. But she is not 50% black thats for sure but she could be 5-20% anywhere inbetween there was a girl who looked italian on ABF and she was 25% black

[Antimage]

Man,african genes are very dominant,:thumbs up

not always. i saw quadroons that can pass as full white

[Ctwentysevenj]

from Togo all the way to Tanzania

From Chad to Tanzania.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Looks quite European.

[Rudel]

Looks mostly European, but the admixture is clear. I've known quite a few people with some SSA that looked mostly white, but still off. It's not uncommon.

That's her father, for reference :

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1685479202/image.jpg

The SSA is blatant.

[Antimage]

Looks mostly European, but the admixture is clear. I've known quite a few people with some SSA that looked mostly white, but still off. It's not uncommon.

That's her father, for reference :

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1685479202/image.jpg

The SSA is blatant.

her father can be 40% black or 50% even

[Leto]

true but there are quadroons octroons etc. maybe she is a octroon or quadroon some quadroons also pass as white she is mixed race if she has black ancestry even she doesnt show it
She is whiter than you, pal.

[SupaThug]

She is whiter than you, pal.

Yeah,he is more caucasoid,but she is whiter!

[Anthropologique]

She may have some Amerindian. Haiti is next door to the Dominican Republic and the latter has Carib as part of its genetic substratum. Who knows ...

[Mortimer]

She is whiter than you, pal.

i noticed that you said that few times when i discussed things that im not white or someone is whiter then me. i dont know why you do that or how that is relevant because i dont identify as white neither anyone sees me as white. so thats quiete irreleavant and if you read what i wrote i said she looks white to me i dont see black but she might be 20% black or like that or 12% and that she has right to identify as black or light skinned mixed race person what she is.

[Han Cholo]

She may have some Amerindian. Haiti is next door to the Dominican Republic and the latter has Carib as part of its genetic substratum. Who knows ...

Unlikely. Most Natives died early on in Haiti. When Haiti independantized, most of the slave population had no more than 2 generations living in Haiti, eliminating possibility of pre-colonial Admix.

[SupaThug]

Unlikely. Most Natives died early on in Haiti. When Haiti independantized, most of the slave population had no more than 2 generations living in Haiti, eliminating possibility of pre-colonial Admix.

I doubt haitians have no native admixture!

[Han Cholo]

I doubt haitians have no native admixture!

As a generality they don't. As I said when they independized, most of the population had no more than 2 generations living there. The French replaced the slaves quite quickly because they had low life expectancy. So, being so recent (almost 200 years after natives were wiped out.) the possibilities of it is very, very, very low.

[SupaThug]

As a generality they don't. As I said when they independized, most of the population had no more than 2 generations living there. The French replaced the slaves quite quickly because they had low life expectancy. So, being so recent (almost 200 years after natives were wiped out.) the possibilities of it is very, very, very low.

I agree that the amount of native admixture in haitians is extremely low,many not even have it...but there must be a tiny genetic influence in a some haitians!

[Han Cholo]

I agree that the amount of native admixture in haitians is extremely low,many not even have it...but there must be a tiny genetic influence in a some haitians!

At one digit percentiles, maybe. But not enough to say absurd stuff like "this woman has (more) native influence than black".

[SupaThug]

At one digit percentiles, maybe. But not enough to say absurd stuff like "this woman has (more) native influence than black".

Agreed,if she had any amerindian influence it wouldn't even show!

[solaris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MkRQPvhJDM

[Han Cholo]

In the above video her forehead appear to be a bit SSA influenced. The distance and size of the eyes also suggest SSA admix:
http://theversed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Earl-Sweatshirt.jpeg

I'm not saying she's 40% black. But probably around 15 (or less)%

[SupaThug]

In the above video her forehead appear to be a bit SSA influenced. The distance and size of the eyes also suggest SSA admix:
http://theversed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Earl-Sweatshirt.jpeg

I'm not saying she's 40% black. But probably around 15 (or less)%

I think that she is less than 10% african!

[solaris]

in the end... who cares about the ssa. that woman has something very sensual.

[Sikeliot]

Haitians have no Native admixture and Dominicans very little that it hardly counts.

[SupaThug]

Haitians have no Native admixture and Dominicans very little that it hardly counts.

As I said,some of them may have some tiny amerindian admixture!

[Mortimer]

well if she lived in the usa and identified as white i wouldnt object, maybe you got me wrong i mean the russian guy leo, but she lives in haiti and she is politican haiti is a predominantly black country and she identifies as mixed race that makes sense also in her context and i dont object, i dont tell people how to identify

[Tutankhamun]

He identifies himself as Mulatta, but he can be sure that in the Haitian revolution she would be killed by the revolutionaries.

[Xacal]

Atlanto-Med + Berid

[Padanian]

What's the percentage of Haitian people who look similar to her?