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Skandi
01-17-2009, 10:35 PM
I posted a thread nearly a year ago on Skadi...... (no drama here though :))
entitled "would an economic downturn help us?"

So I thought I would resurrect it with a slight twist. Will or Has the economic downturn helped the nationalistic cause? Have you got any examples from your area?

TheGreatest
01-17-2009, 10:38 PM
Economic independence was probably the dominant factor (next to media) in the liberal revolution.
I don't think my Great Great Grandmother in 1890, who was married at 17, had the option to stay at home till 30 and become a corporate manager w/o children ;)


But I don't see society falling back on old traditions because of a downturn in the economy. So yes it's going to be miserable

Absinthe
01-17-2009, 10:40 PM
Yes, I firmly believe so! :) But I need to elaborate more tomorrow as I am writing from my boyfriend's tiny, almost pocket size, laptop and the keyboard is too uncomfortable for my long nails :D (women :rolleyes:)

Ĉmeric
01-17-2009, 11:23 PM
Anything that will help sweep away the current political & economic order will help our cause. Globalization & mulitculturalism/diversity go hand-in-hand. One of the main reasons given for diversity (in the US) is that it will help us compete in the global economy, though it doesn't seem to be something the Japanese, Koreans or Chinese want to embrace. A truly new order in a world in chaos could get away with real radical changes that would be next to impossible to implement in a more stable world. People are afraid of change so it must creep in slowly - such as with the social changes that have accured over the last 40-50 years with mass immigration from the third-world (which btw, the true nature of what was happening was not revealed until the elites decided it was too late to turn back) & all the social legislation to ensure equality. Radical change over a short period of time can occure best, with the least amount of resistance, during moments of grave crisis.

Of course the danger lies in the fact that those who want a truly One-World entity will try to take advantage of the same economic chaos to achieve their goals. The major crisises of the last 100-years - WWI, the Great Depression, WWII, the Cold War - all played into the onward march towards One-World government.

Pino
01-17-2009, 11:37 PM
I dont know, during the downturns of the 80s in Britain which was alot worse than the current situation is at the moment although alot of people did move to our cause a hell of alot more went over to the complete opposite end of the spectrum with the lefties.

Though I can see why in a way, when sombodys factory has closed down an they are presented with one leaflet saying "save the white race" and the other saying "workers revolution" at that moment in time the workers revolution and talking about all the working class uniteing is going to appeal to sombody there and then.

I think our cause needs to start using some different forms of methods of advertisements, giving sombody statistics about how there race is going to be extinct in 100 years time is not joe publics concern of the day when there is nothing on there mind other than how they are going to pay the bills and where they next day of work is coming from.

TheGreatest
01-17-2009, 11:49 PM
I dont know, during the downturns of the 80s in Britain which was alot worse than the current situation is at the moment although alot of people did move to our cause a hell of alot more went over to the complete opposite end of the spectrum with the lefties.

Though I can see why in a way, when sombodys factory has closed down an they are presented with one leaflet saying "save the white race" and the other saying "workers revolution" at that moment in time the workers revolution and talking about all the working class uniteing is going to appeal to sombody there and then.

I think our cause needs to start using some different forms of methods of advertisements, giving sombody statistics about how there race is going to be extinct in 100 years time is not joe publics concern of the day when there is nothing on there mind other than how they are going to pay the bills and where they next day of work is coming from.


But there were no minorities in the 1980's Britain. Especially in Scotland where it was one of the worst-hit parts of the economic downturn. Most of those minorities started arriving in the late 90's and 2000's.
But the economic downturn will not help us. Unless of course it leads to a Mad Max Scenario, where most Jews will leave the United States (without them the whole foundation will begin to crumble. Much like in the Soviet Union when most of the Bolshevik Jews had left ship for Israel) or a change in social values.


And of course to us ''common people", these two things are impossible or out of our control.
Which is why, particularly among the White Nationalist community, there has been an emphasis on eugenic (raising strong, intelligent and good-moral children), relocation, self-survival and separatism


These are the same values that are practiced among the Boers in South Africa and in other African countries were Whites are a dismal minority. And nevermind the Mormons. Christian Identity is something I would support (but I don't know much about it) because it might lead to the creation of a separate identity

Loki
01-17-2009, 11:56 PM
The downturn would impact negatively on destructive tendencies like immigration. Just as an example, many thousands of European guest workers in the UK are now returning to their home countries. However, these are Europeans, like Poles. It is doubtful whether Third Worlders like Somalians, who receive benefits and are asylum seekers, would return. Why? The govt pays them.

But yes -- a downturn does work against globalisation, which is a good thing. Also, more unemployment at home would put strong pressure on the governments to limit labour immigration. If they do not do it, there could be widespread revolt.

As for the banking system -- the worst thing is that our corrupt governments are bailing the banks out with taxpayers' money! This will just make the corporations richer and the taxpayers poorer and more in debt. So in fact, this downturn is now turning us even more into slaves of the government. It almost seems orchestrated.

The best thing would have been if the banking system totally seized up, no government bailouts. The govt's should bail out the taxpaying citizens who are the consumers, and the lifeblood of the economy. Yet, they are too stupid to realise this (or maybe they do but are too corrupt). If all those billions have been given to consumers in order to clear their debt, and the banks left to go bust, in the long term it would have resulted in a far healthier economy. But now, the evil circle of indebtedness will continue. Pondering on these matters makes me feel decidedly anti-capitalist! :mad:

TheGreatest
01-18-2009, 12:00 AM
The downturn would impact negatively on destructive tendencies like immigration. Just as an example, many thousands of European guest workers in the UK are now returning to their home countries. However, these are Europeans, like Poles. It is doubtful whether Third Worlders like Somalians, who receive benefits and are asylum seekers, would return. Why? The govt pays them.

But yes -- a downturn does work against globalisation, which is a good thing. Also, more unemployment at home would put strong pressure on the governments to limit labour immigration. If they do not do it, there could be widespread revolt.

As for the banking system -- the worst thing is that our corrupt governments are bailing the banks out with taxpayers' money! This will just make the corporations richer and the taxpayers poorer and more in debt. So in fact, this downturn is now turning us even more into slaves of the government. It almost seems orchestrated.

The best thing would have been if the banking system totally seized up, no government bailouts. The govt's should bail out the taxpaying citizens who are the consumers, and the lifeblood of the economy. Yet, they are too stupid to realise this (or maybe they do but are too corrupt). If all those billions have been given to consumers in order to clear their debt, and the banks left to go bust, in the long term it would have resulted in a far healthier economy. But now, the evil circle of indebtedness will continue. Pondering on these matters makes me feel decidedly anti-capitalist! :mad:


But that isn't capitalist! Even the founder of modern Laissez-faire, Adam Smith, wrote that the Government should never bail out the banks or support corporations!


I don't know what people would classify the United States as, but it's probably some kind of interventionist corporate state, soon to be Communist, under Barack Obama.

Ĉmeric
01-18-2009, 12:58 AM
But there were no minorities in the 1980's Britain.

There was. But their numbers were still under 2 million in 1980. I first became aware that there were non-Whites in countries like England in 1981 when a series of race riots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_UK_race_riots) broke out across England.

TheGreatest
01-18-2009, 01:20 AM
There was. But their numbers were still under 2 million in 1980. I first became aware that there were non-Whites in countries like England in 1981 when a series of race riots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_UK_race_riots) broke out across England.


Though I was under the impression that Scotland and Northern Ireland had none to begin with.
Sure there was probably a bunch living in London. But then in 1981, it was probably a lot more tolerable. The London I saw in 2007 was a dystopia. Saw nothing but East Indians in the downtown residential. Was followed by an ''untouchable'' caste (dark as coal) Indian for a couple of blocks. Couldn't understand their taxi-cab accents. And ate free at the buffets. ;)

I guess this is the anarchist lifestyle that most anarchists envisioned? I sure don't want part in that kind of society

Sol Invictus
01-18-2009, 01:31 AM
I don't think it will help us, nor do I think everyone will suffer equally.. I believe this to be a government (albeit Global) engineered economic crisis.. The American dollar will eventually loose it's value as nobody internationally wants it, and they will use this in order to bring in the Amero, despite what they say about not knowing about it, or not instituting it at all, as I believe this is a bold-faced LIE. This is just one more step towards Unionization, and weapon dis-armament whether people accept it or not, and as a result of all this, those who resist Unionization etc. will be branded criminals and traitors, and boom, the Patriotic Act and Victory Act will consider them 'terrorists'. I don't think I need to further explain what will happen after that, as you probably already know..

TheGreatest
01-18-2009, 01:37 AM
I don't think it will help us, nor do I think everyone will suffer equally.. I believe this to be a government (albeit Global) engineered economic crisis.. The American dollar will eventually loose it's value as nobody internationally wants it, and they will use this in order to bring in the Amero, despite what they say about not knowing about it, or not instituting it at all, as I believe this is a bold-faced LIE. This is just one more step towards Unionization, and weapon dis-armament whether people accept it or not, and as a result of all this, those who resist Unionization etc. will be branded criminals and traitors, and boom, the Patriotic Act and Victory Act will consider them 'terrorists'. I don't think I need to further explain what will happen after that, as you probably already know..

They could easily label anyone European as a ''White Nationalist Terrorist", if they don't subject themselves to racial mixing.
In the Soviet Union, there were cases of the state forcing (Volga) Germans to marry Korean women. And anyone who disagreed was obviously shot or we don't know what happened to them.

I tend to look at the future of being very bleak. I.E. Most of us will no doubt become mountain people, living in the Cascade Range and the Alps, in a sea of brown savages supported by a high-tech army of Mulattos and their Jewish Commissars

Aemma
01-18-2009, 02:32 AM
Of course the danger lies in the fact that those who want a truly One-World entity will try to take advantage of the same economic chaos to achieve their goals. The major crisises of the last 100-years - WWI, the Great Depression, WWII, the Cold War - all played into the onward march towards One-World government.


I couldn't agree with you more on this Ĉmeric. Some posit that these have been major diversionary tactics made to 'preoccupy' the plebes while machinations at higher levels abound. I used to have a hard time believing such but I've wisened up over the years. My own country's government launched its own shenanigans just a couple of months ago (prorogued and what-not) as a response to a potential vote of no confidence in parliament. In effect parliament will not sit until later on this month when it'll table its budget and will have stalled enough for time in terms of dealing with a possible coalition government taking over. All of this to say that the theatre of politics in a supposed democratic world doesn't always reflect the true
goings-on...actually rarely do they, I have come to realise. Democracy is more of a "give a dog a bone" tactic more and more as time goes on I think.

Maybe it was always this way. :(

Cheers for now!...Aemma

Aemma
01-18-2009, 02:48 AM
I don't think it will help us, nor do I think everyone will suffer equally.. I believe this to be a government (albeit Global) engineered economic crisis.. The American dollar will eventually loose it's value as nobody internationally wants it, and they will use this in order to bring in the Amero, despite what they say about not knowing about it, or not instituting it at all, as I believe this is a bold-faced LIE. This is just one more step towards Unionization, and weapon dis-armament whether people accept it or not, and as a result of all this, those who resist Unionization etc. will be branded criminals and traitors, and boom, the Patriotic Act and Victory Act will consider them 'terrorists'. I don't think I need to further explain what will happen after that, as you probably already know..

Yep, yep and yep!!! It's all capitalist 'right-sizing' with an economic bottom line as its goal as opposed to respecting bio-cultural diversity and national sovereignty. And yes 'resistance will be futile'. :(

I don't want to become a Borg, not even 7-of-9! :p...Aemma

TheGreatest
01-18-2009, 02:53 AM
Yep, yep and yep!!! It's all capitalist 'right-sizing' with an economic bottom line as its goal as opposed to respecting bio-cultural diversity and national sovereignty. And yes 'resistance will be futile'. :(

I don't want to become a Borg, not even 7-of-9! :p...Aemma

Even the Britain in 1984 is better than what we're going to get if the bad guys win.
At least they got industrial gin!


There's a camp of Marxian-Liberals in England who (after banning guns) are now attempting to ban the pointed ends on knives... I think they also want to ban all alcohol, institute sharia courts and the like. God how far must we go before people start rebelling and revolting?
Will our sheeple be content if we are all wearing rags and living (more) miserable lives?

Aemma
01-18-2009, 03:07 AM
Will our sheeple be content if we are all wearing rags and living (more) miserable lives?

Question is are they sheep or lemmings?

:(...Aemma

TheGreatest
01-18-2009, 03:14 AM
Has anyone had a pet Gerbil or a Rat? That summarizes most Europeans and almost all non-Europeans. We could be reduced to such low and miserable standards, and as long people are being fed gruel and get to experience the reproduction cycle, they will be content and happy.


To think if the Jew did not have his claw on Europe since Roman Times, we would already be colonizing the solar system and exploring neighboring stars.

TheGreatest
01-18-2009, 03:26 AM
Question is are they sheep or lemmings?

:(...Aemma


Sheep = No clue what's going on. Can't even see what's going on. Content with eating their grass and being harvested.

Lemming = Goes with the group. Often a ''lemming'', will be aware of the problems in society. And might even agree with us. But if the group decides to commit suicide, they will follow suit in order to "feel apart" of the community.
Much like my friend who stated "I'm a Patriot of the United States. I don't like what's going on with the immigration. But I'm a Patriot and I support it. Now if there was a Civil War, than I might help the right side, but for now I am a Patriot".


He would be the example of a German who was a fierce patriot of the Weimar Republic, who then joined the National Socialist party when things were beginning to change. An opportunist no doubt.




It's almost like the old story of the Foxes. An old farmer had a problem with foxes eating his chickens. Therefore he got his nephews and dogs to chase the foxes. The foxes were soon cornered next to a raging river.

What did the foxes do?

Most of them attempted to cross the river and almost all of them were found the next day, miles out into the ocean.
And only one or two (out of dozens) had stayed their ground and fought.

Pino
01-18-2009, 11:45 AM
Though I was under the impression that Scotland and Northern Ireland had none to begin with.
Sure there was probably a bunch living in London. But then in 1981, it was probably a lot more tolerable. The London I saw in 2007 was a dystopia. Saw nothing but East Indians in the downtown residential. Was followed by an ''untouchable'' caste (dark as coal) Indian for a couple of blocks. Couldn't understand their taxi-cab accents. And ate free at the buffets. ;)

I guess this is the anarchist lifestyle that most anarchists envisioned? I sure don't want part in that kind of society

There was none White slums all the place in the 1980s, granted nothing to todays level but there was still alot about in cities across England.

There must have been minorities making a nuisance of themselfs in 1968 for Enoch Powell to make the speech he did.