What social class are you? Take the quiz?

[RighNick]

The link is below to the quiz is below, but obviously a test that only asks a few simple questions can't truly tell you what class you belong to because it is such an intangible concept.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22000973

Do you agree with your results?

What are your thoughts on where you fit on the "class ladder" and what implications does the class system have for you and your country more generally?

Does class dictate the way you interact with people?
Is much social mobility or do you feel trapped in the class you were born into?


Since the UK is often stereotyped as being a class-obsessed society and the quiz focuses on Britain, I posted the link in this section but the question isn't necessarily directed exclusively to British members and any mod should feel free to move it. The quiz might not give valid results for people from other countries, but opinions are certainly welcome from everyone.

[armenianbodyhair]

http://i.imgur.com/ZsHXhhg.jpg
Pretty accurate I like museums and the opera and other classical music and a know people from all walks of life. I'm also highly educated.

[Han Cholo]

New affluent workers

This class group is sociable, has lots of cultural interests and is in the middle of all the class groups in terms of wealth. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Are young
Come from a working class background
Own their own home

[Atvend]

I appear to be an
http://i.imgur.com/BffUhYx.png

Meh, seems like the last part only measures how much of a hipster you are.

[armenianbodyhair]

I appear to be an
http://i.imgur.com/BffUhYx.png

Meh, seems like the last part only measures how much of a hipster you are.

No I think hipsters try to be like that they try to give off the image they enjoy those things, some people, like myself, actually enjoy those things but don't really care if people know or not. That the difference between pretentious and having good taste.

[Loki]

Class should be abolished. Down with the Queen!

[Atvend]

To hell with you then Commie Marxists!
Capitalism, fuck yeah bitches!

[rhiannon]

Elite.

But I definitely have working class tendencies lol

[Oneeye]

Emergent service workers

This class group is financially insecure, scoring low for savings and house value, but high for social and cultural factors. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Are young
Enjoy a cultured social life
Rent their home - almost 90%

[Han Cholo]

Emergent service workers

This class group is financially insecure, scoring low for savings and house value, but high for social and cultural factors. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Are young
Enjoy a cultured social life
Rent their home - almost 90%

I voted my savings as "0%" and got a different class.

[Marusya]

I got Elite. lol I guess because I don't socialize with any "Lorry Drivers"? ;) Anyway, I don't feel "elite." I'm still pushing paper at 1am, so I can earn those "elite" dollars! I'm also doing laundry at the same time! This does not sound very "elite" to me! "Elites" should come with a personal maid/butler service! This quiz disappoints me. ;)

[Highlands]

I got Elite but I entered based on my parents. As a single, young student it would tell me gypsy or something.

[Dictator]

I got Elite but I entered based on my parents. As a single, young student it would tell me gypsy or something.

I’d still consider you human.

[Loki]

I guess because I don't socialize with any "Lorry Drivers"? ;)

You don't know what you're missing :lol:

[Dombra]

Established middle class

This is the most gregarious and the second wealthiest of all the class groups. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Enjoy a diverse range of cultural activities
Went to university
Are comfortably off, secure and established




Class should be abolished. Down with the Queen!

:icon_yell: Work for your money!

[Loki]

:icon_yell: Work for your money!

Of course. Abolish inheritance and money not earned.

[Marusya]

:icon_yell: Work for your money!

"They make money the old-fashioned way. They EARN IT!" :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAMRXqQXemU

[Leo Iscariot]

Emergent service workers

This class group is financially insecure, scoring low for savings and house value, but high for social and cultural factors. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Are young
Enjoy a cultured social life
Rent their home - almost 90%

[Marusya]

You don't know what you're missing :lol:

Friends anyone with occupation "Lorry Driver" on Facebook. Parking at my next party could be a problem... ;)

[Gauthier]

http://imageshack.com/a/img910/775/GgJuFA.jpg

[Aviator]

Result: the class group you most closely match is:

Elite

This is the wealthiest and most privileged group in the UK. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Enjoy high cultural activities such as visiting museums and listening to classical music
Went to private school and elite universities
Socialise with people who do a wide variety of jobs

Seems accurate enough, but perhaps the questions don't translate perfectly between the American and British societies.

[Drawing-slim]

Class should be abolished. Down with the Queen!wow, you actually are a true socialist/communist.

[Longbowman]

Precariat, lowest social class. I'm guessing most of you reported owning a home; I rent and have limited savings as I am 21. Anyhow, I hate to report the oversight in the quiz, but there you go.

[Mazik]

Precariat

"This is the poorest and most deprived class group. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Tend to mix socially with people like themselves
Come from a working class background
Rent their home - over 80%"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG7p6CSbCU

[Marusya]

Precariat, lowest social class. I'm guessing most of you reported owning a home; I rent and have limited savings as I am 21. Anyhow, I hate to report the oversight in the quiz, but there you go.

Do you socialize with Lorry Drivers?

[Longbowman]

Do you socialize with Lorry Drivers?

Sadly no.

[Nurzat]

Result: the class group you most closely match is:
Precariat

This is the poorest and most deprived class group. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Tend to mix socially with people like themselves
Come from a working class background
Rent their home - over 80%

[Bloodsport]

I got elite.

[Han Cholo]

Does the terminology used here accurately represent the names used for true British social classes?

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Result: the class group you most closely match is:
Precariat

This is the poorest and most deprived class group. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Tend to mix socially with people like themselves
Come from a working class background
Rent their home - over 80%

No comment ...

[Jana]

Got this :

New affluent workers
This class group is sociable, has lots of cultural interests and is in the middle of all the class groups in terms of wealth. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Are young
Come from a working class background
Own their own home

Not really true. I am from middle class, but class system of the UK and Croatia cannot be compared. Probably these live better than our ''middle class'' eh

[Longbowman]

Does the terminology used here accurately represent the names used for true British social classes?

Nope. They're trying to redefine class.

[Longbowman]

My girlfriend and I took a joint quiz, answering only for ourselves and not our parents. We're both students. We got:

Result: the class group you most closely match is:

Emergent service workers

This class group is financially insecure, scoring low for savings and house value, but high for social and cultural factors. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Are young
Enjoy a cultured social life
Rent their home - almost 90%

[Dombra]

Of course. Abolish inheritance and money not earned.

Are you crazy?

[Fortis in Arduis]

I scored "Precariat", the lowest.

My interests are not very high-brow. I am not a regular at the opera. I rent, and my income is in the lowest bracket.

[Virtuous]

Doesn't matter where the person is. Matters what that person is.

[Leadchucker]

Class should be abolished. Down with the Queen!


Established middle class if I allowed the class system to exist. I will let the Queen off on this one even though she has no dominion over me or my country. I hold no disrespect for the Monarchy perhaps again because of latter no rule over me bit.

[Loki]

Are you crazy?

Why shouldn't everyone have an equal start in life? What happened to earning your living by working?

[Loki]

Established middle class if I allowed the class system to exist. I will let the Queen off on this one even though she has no dominion over me or my country. I hold no disrespect for the Monarchy perhaps again because of latter no rule over me bit.

Certainly a figure of "national pride" and culture, but I don't get why taxpayers have to sustain them. The Queen is filthy rich (her exact wealth is kept a secret and perhaps incalculable). They are basically given millions of pounds in taxpayers money every year just for being who they are and sustain their lavish lifestyles.

[Longbowman]

Certainly a national figure of "national pride" and culture, but I don't get why taxpayers have to sustain them. The Queen is filthy rich (her exact wealth is kept a secret). They are basically given millions of pounds in taxpayers money every year just for being who they are and sustain their lavish lifestyles.

I thought they stopped paying them? Anyhow it's not as simple as that, direct revenues from Royal property was 5 times what we paid them when last I checked, not to mention indirect value.

[Loki]

I thought they stopped paying them? Anyhow it's not as simple as that, direct revenues from Royal property was 5 times what we paid them when last I checked, not to mention indirect value.

So why do we still pay them? (we do)

[Graham]

Emergent service workers

[Harley]

Emergent service workers

This class group is financially insecure, scoring low for savings and house value, but high for social and cultural factors. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Are young
Enjoy a cultured social life
Rent their home - almost 90%
This result ^.

[Peikko]

Elite.

But I definitely have working class tendencies lol
Aren't you just a nurse?

[Longbowman]

Aren't you just a nurse?

Just a nurse? We need more Rhiannons.

[Harley]

The link is below to the quiz is below, but obviously a test that only asks a few simple questions can't truly tell you what class you belong to because it is such an intangible concept.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22000973

Do you agree with your results?

What are your thoughts on where you fit on the "class ladder" and what implications does the class system have for you and your country more generally?

Does class dictate the way you interact with people?
Is much social mobility or do you feel trapped in the class you were born into?


Since the UK is often stereotyped as being a class-obsessed society and the quiz focuses on Britain, I posted the link in this section but the question isn't necessarily directed exclusively to British members and any mod should feel free to move it. The quiz might not give valid results for people from other countries, but opinions are certainly welcome from everyone.
I think I agree with my results, but they are a bit borderline, as I've had a child at a young age and I'm also going to school for a better paying job.

So, in a few years, my class will probably change, simply due to income.

I'm not sure if I've ever met a stereotypical rich person. My French ex was well off, but he was in this weird rebel mode where he hated his background(his parents were both doctors and well off) and acted as poorly as he could, despite having all name brand clothing and shoes, owning his own place, among other things.

Do I feel trapped in the social class I was born into?

Sometimes yes and sometimes no.

I feel like when I act how I feel I should naturally act, I'm criticized by my family for being stuck up. I'm starting to become intolerant of rude behaviors and things like that. I think it is more important to be honorable above all, so even a person who is in a lower class: if he or she has honor, then they are worth their weight in gold. I think there are people who are full of crap and act like guttersnipes in any social class.

[Dombra]

Why shouldn't everyone have an equal start in life? What happened to earning your living by working?

Because the only reason why most people actually work is to give your children a chance in life. Should they stop caring about their family? Inheriting money after a parents death is no different than the money your parents spent on you when you grew up, money they worked hard far. Should the government steal money from those who earned it and saved for their coming generation? Most cannot even live of the money they inherit, it is more like a boost

[Harley]

I scored "Precariat", the lowest.

My interests are not very high-brow. I am not a regular at the opera. I rent, and my income is in the lowest bracket.

If I could go to the opera, I would. Same with ballets and plays.

No one shares this interest with me and I wouldn't know where to look or what to do. This is a bit of the same with museums and the like.

Would you go to these places if you could? Or is it not your general interest?

[Lusos]

Established middle class

This is the most gregarious and the second wealthiest of all the class groups. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Enjoy a diverse range of cultural activities
Went to university
Are comfortably off, secure and established"

Although the questions are stereotypes for posh people.

[Lusos]

Just a nurse? We need more Rhiannons.

Fully licensed ones though.

[Trogdor]

I am not from the UK but here are my results for the test:

"Technical Middle Class
This is a small, distinctive and prosperous new class group. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:
-Mix socially with people similar to themselves
-Work in research, science and technical fields
-Enjoy emerging culture such as going to the gym and using social media"

[Catkin]

Those categories are not representative of how class is judged here. You could have hit hard times, live on the street, have no friends and be just about surviving, but if you had an accent and background like Longbowman's in reality you'd still be considered upper middle or upper class. Same as if a really working class Brummy won the lottery, had parties on his yacht every week, and started attending the opera, he wouldn't suddenly be considered upper class. It isn't just about money, hobbies and connections. Honestly, in England at least, your accent will suggest what class you may be more than anything else imo.

[Neon Knight]

Catkin hits the nail on the head. The survey does not capture the essence of class. I come from a working class family with some middle class interests and consider myself a classless intelectual. I really don't like class consciousness and all the snobbery in this country.

[RighNick]

Those categories are not representative of how class is judged here. You could have hit hard times, live on the street, have no friends and be just about surviving, but if you had an accent and background like Longbowman's in reality you'd still be considered upper middle or upper class. Same as if a really working class Brummy won the lottery, had parties on his yacht every week, and started attending the opera, he wouldn't suddenly be considered upper class. It isn't just about money, hobbies and connections. Honestly, in England at least, your accent will suggest what class you may be more than anything else imo.

This is very true. Having lived in both the UK and US, this is one of the most striking differences between the two. There are a few regional accents in the US and they're sometimes disparaged, but in reality most upper and middle class (and a at least 1/3 of working class people) speak in much the same way. Whereas in England, from the time someone opens their mouth you are immediately conscious of how they were raised and have a good idea of what class they belong to. Accent, of course, plays a big role but the words people use are also important. Serviette is the classic example, but there are others. I still remember the look on my Aunt's face when my 7 year old cousin asked her for a "serviette". She grew up in Knightsbridge and, judging by the look on her face you would have thought that he had just spat in her face. Settee vs. Sofa and Tea vs. Dinner are probably other examples.

Americans are probably just as snobbish and still judge people based on class, but they have to rely on other more subtle social cues meaning that such class differences aren't as immediately apparent.

[wvwvw]

Lower class...an untouchable :(

[Mark]

http://i.imgur.com/gm6oZ1b.jpg

[zhaoyun]

Well, I don't need a quiz to tell me what social class I am. I came from humble roots, and although I've come a long way from that because of my hard work and ambitions, I'll always consider myself a part of the American working class no matter where I go in life.

And to me, that's an honorable and good place to be.

[Iloko]

My result:
http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y315/shazou927/Online%20tests/socialclasstest_zpsdc8huslw.jpg~original

[Marusya]

Social class isn't actually about wealth. It's about values and habits that are typical of a particular class. You can be dirt poor and be "elite." Some times shit happens and you go from being wealthy to broke or things don't pan out. They're still in the elite class but lack money or that high paying job. The opposite is also true. I had a landlord who became wealthy because of a lawsuit. He's just a regular guy.

Good point, Colonel. I don't disagree with this at all. :) I do think, though, that in current times many people equate wealth with social class (the rung on the ladder, so to speak). Of course, there are other elements to social class, such as education, manners, habits, cultural leanings and even world views. Complex but we always know it when we see it, it seems.

[Jackson]

Result: the class group you most closely match is:

Traditional working class

This class group scores low for economic, social and cultural factors, but they do have some financial security.

Of the old sort that is, i'm descended from respectable and mannered working class people. I'd say it was inaccurate that we score low for cultural factors, we often visit museums, stately homes and go for drives round the countryside on holiday. I'd say we have working class origins (my parents really) but middle class aspirations and attitudes.

[Jackson]

Although if i enter just myself as a student i get:

Precariat

This is the poorest and most deprived class group.

xD

Although i wouldn't say it was a class group for myself as it is a temporary arrangement to have little/low income and live in a rented accommodation given my background.

[Graham]

Working class, defined as someone owning their home. Haha no danger! Only if you are around 50 years or older.. You know when all the council homes were being bought up

[dude]

Technical middle class which is actually quite accurate.

[Voskos]

Working class

[Jackson]

Does the terminology used here accurately represent the names used for true British social classes?

Generally we use working class, middle class and upper class.

[Catkin]

Generally we use working class, middle class and upper class.

With possible 'upper's and 'lower's to further break down those and complicate things further :rolleyes::p

[Vasconcelos]

Elite

This is the wealthiest and most privileged group in the UK. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Enjoy high cultural activities such as visiting museums and listening to classical music
Went to private school and elite universities
Socialise with people who do a wide variety of jobs

[Drakoblare]

Result: the class group you most closely match is:

New affluent workers

This class group is sociable, has lots of cultural interests and is in the middle of all the class groups in terms of wealth. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group:

Are young
Come from a working class background
Own their own home

[Jackson]

Those categories are not representative of how class is judged here. You could have hit hard times, live on the street, have no friends and be just about surviving, but if you had an accent and background like Longbowman's in reality you'd still be considered upper middle or upper class. Same as if a really working class Brummy won the lottery, had parties on his yacht every week, and started attending the opera, he wouldn't suddenly be considered upper class. It isn't just about money, hobbies and connections. Honestly, in England at least, your accent will suggest what class you may be more than anything else imo.

Yeah this is entirely true. I remember my dad saying that people were surprised when he started work that he was well spoken, which i guess is probably not what they were used to. And of course this doesn't entirely have a basis in reality, as my family is basically working class especially when it comes to my grandparents and their parents, yet they didn't sound or behave anything like the modern image of the British working class that we've become accustomed to, seemingly devoid of cultural aspirations or appreciation beyond crappy T.V. Of course it must have varied to some extent by family, one quarter of my family for example were avid readers and another basically didn't read, one (as far as i can tell) more conservative-voting and the other socialist, but both basically working class. Maybe it is the sub-divisions within each class that matter as well.

[Tooting Carmen]

Interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973

[Jackson]

This is very true. Having lived in both the UK and US, this is one of the most striking differences between the two. There are a few regional accents in the US and they're sometimes disparaged, but in reality most upper and middle class (and a at least 1/3 of working class people) speak in much the same way. Whereas in England, from the time someone opens their mouth you are immediately conscious of how they were raised and have a good idea of what class they belong to. Accent, of course, plays a big role but the words people use are also important. Serviette is the classic example, but there are others. I still remember the look on my Aunt's face when my 7 year old cousin asked her for a "serviette". She grew up in Knightsbridge and, judging by the look on her face you would have thought that he had just spat in her face. Settee vs. Sofa and Tea vs. Dinner are probably other examples.

Americans are probably just as snobbish and still judge people based on class, but they have to rely on other more subtle social cues meaning that such class differences aren't as immediately apparent.

For me growing up dinner was noon and tea was around 6 or 7, but now i use dinner as more of a term for an evening meal, and supper for a late evening snack or small meal.

[Graham]

Yeah this is entirely true. I remember my dad saying that people were surprised when he started work that he was well spoken, which i guess is probably not what they were used to. And of course this doesn't entirely have a basis in reality, as my family is basically working class especially when it comes to my grandparents and their parents, yet they didn't sound or behave anything like the modern image of the British working class that we've become accustomed to, seemingly devoid of cultural aspirations or appreciation beyond crappy T.V. Of course it must have varied to some extent by family, one quarter of my family for example were avid readers and another basically didn't read, one (as far as i can tell) more conservative-voting and the other socialist, but both basically working class. Maybe it is the sub-divisions within each class that matter as well.

The accent thing can be bogus. My grandad has spent most of his days in a council home or tenement, his job was a waiter for decades for the railway Hotels, before then he was in the RAF. So he developed a well spoken accent. working with many posh people.

Have also heard genuinely well-to-do people who speak rough.

[Jackson]

The accent thing can be bogus. My grandad has spent most of his days in a council home or tenement, his job was a waiter for decades for the railway Hotels, before then he was in the RAF. So he developed a well spoken accent. working with many posh people.

Have also heard genuinely well-to-do people who speak rough.

Same here with regards to hearing many people speaking differently to what would be expected. The accents certainly have those attachments to class, but i think many people learnt to spoke in a more refined fashion in order to further their chances in life, i remember David Starkey making a point similar to this, and i don't think it is that uncommon. And i know (or have known) many people of similar social background to myself who sound like they're half way through a rap song every time they open their mouths, i think it's the social circle that is an important driver of that sort of thing, part of group identity even.

[Marusya]

This discussion has been a great reminder that social class is often very fluid throughout a person's life. What is social class can seem debatable, but yet, we all know where we fit, usually based on our economic wealth. The old "Jay Gatsby" story. I am also reminded of the ladies of "Grey Gardens." They were the direct relations of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, specifically her aunt and cousin. These two women were upper class from birth until a reversal of their economic fortunes. They lived the second halves of their lives in poverty inside a dilapidated mansion, until the tabloids wrote about them, and Jackie Onassis was compelled to provide them assistance. So, what is their social class? Even in dire poverty, are they still Upper Class? A great documentary about these two Bouvier women can be viewed on YT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP2KjNge1FY

[Neon Knight]

Yeah this is entirely true. I remember my dad saying that people were surprised when he started work that he was well spoken, which i guess is probably not what they were used to. And of course this doesn't entirely have a basis in reality, as my family is basically working class especially when it comes to my grandparents and their parents, yet they didn't sound or behave anything like the modern image of the British working class that we've become accustomed to, seemingly devoid of cultural aspirations or appreciation beyond crappy T.V. Of course it must have varied to some extent by family, one quarter of my family for example were avid readers and another basically didn't read, one (as far as i can tell) more conservative-voting and the other socialist, but both basically working class. Maybe it is the sub-divisions within each class that matter as well.Your story sounds similar to mine. My granddad worked in a colliery but he and my grandma were/are not interested in going to labour clubs (instead saving their money for holidays and sight-seeing) or watching Coronation Street; they used to take me to museums and other places of cultural interest from North to South and when I was ten I taught myself to play chess from a book in my grandad's book case. As a general rule I don't like people who cling to a class stereotype to define themselves.

[Catkin]

The accent thing can be bogus. My grandad has spent most of his days in a council home or tenement, his job was a waiter for decades for the railway Hotels, before then he was in the RAF. So he developed a well spoken accent. working with many posh people.

Have also heard genuinely well-to-do people who speak rough.

Yet even if the accent is false, people will make judgements and assumptions on their class from the accent. You almost become the class of your accent in the eyes of strangers, even if you don't live in the conditions that would normally go along with it.



Same here with regards to hearing many people speaking differently to what would be expected. The accents certainly have those attachments to class, but i think many people learnt to spoke in a more refined fashion in order to further their chances in life, i remember David Starkey making a point similar to this, and i don't think it is that uncommon. And i know (or have known) many people of similar social background to myself who sound like they're half way through a rap song every time they open their mouths, i think it's the social circle that is an important driver of that sort of thing, part of group identity even.

Yes, I think so. I grew up on a council estate from the age of 7, but I went to quite a middle class school and all my friends lived in big detached houses and were very middle-class, so I just spoke like them- not particularly posh, but not really with the local accent. My mum also speaks the same way, though she grew up in south London, but apparently her school was very strict on 'proper' pronunciation.

[Graham]

Yes, I think so. I grew up on a council estate from the age of 7, but I went to quite a middle class school and all my friends lived in big detached houses and were very middle-class, so I just spoke like them- not particularly posh, but not really with the local accent. My mum also speaks the same way, though she grew up in south London, but apparently her school was very strict on 'proper' pronunciation.
Hehe was it like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJr9SSJKkII

[Catkin]

Hehe was it like this?

...

Something like that :P, though I think she may have fallen rather short of that! But they were competing against a potential Sarf Lund'n accent :p

[Catkin]

Yeah this is entirely true. I remember my dad saying that people were surprised when he started work that he was well spoken, which i guess is probably not what they were used to. And of course this doesn't entirely have a basis in reality, as my family is basically working class especially when it comes to my grandparents and their parents, yet they didn't sound or behave anything like the modern image of the British working class that we've become accustomed to, seemingly devoid of cultural aspirations or appreciation beyond crappy T.V. Of course it must have varied to some extent by family, one quarter of my family for example were avid readers and another basically didn't read, one (as far as i can tell) more conservative-voting and the other socialist, but both basically working class. Maybe it is the sub-divisions within each class that matter as well.

My mum's parents were born more into the underclass I think :P. My grandad was born in Scotland back when the Irish often lived on the edge of society there and in pretty bad conditions. Then they moved on to Ireland and eventually Liverpool and then London looking for work. I know he and all his sisters had TB as children, and he looks pretty small and underdeveloped in pictures I have of him in his early 20s.

My nan, however, was considered to be 'marrying up' when she married him! She came from a very poor family in London, with 13 children (though not all lived), her parents, and for some reason an enormous Irish Wolfhound, all living in a couple of rented rooms. Apparently when they couldn't afford the rent her parents used to load all their possessions onto the back of a donkey and cart and disappear with the children into the night. With no references, the rooms they found were usually pretty grotty. My nan died at 59, and I wonder whether her start in life contributed to that.

Somehow, all of their children have sort of drifted up the classes from there, accents too, and it's not from any deliberate social climbing. For example I had the opportunity to apply to a private secondary school on a scholarship, but I just wanted to go to the same school as my friends and my mum was just fine with that.



Your story sounds similar to mine. My granddad worked in a colliery but he and my grandma were/are not interested in going to labour clubs (instead saving their money for holidays and sight-seeing) or watching Coronation Street; they used to take me to museums and other places of cultural interest from North to South and when I was ten I taught myself to play chess from a book in my grandad's book case. As a general rule I don't like people who cling to a class stereotype to define themselves.

Freedom from stereotypes! People should just do what they want to do and be who they want to be! :yippee

[Graham]

he looks pretty small and underdeveloped in pictures I have of him in his early 20s.

It's weird that. My great grandad and Great gran in Newcastle were only about 5 foot tall. They lived in the poorest parts. Diet and poor contdions can effect the way you look and grow. It is very underplayed on this anthro forum.

The man in the middle is my great grandd, my great gran to his right & their daughter(nana), the bride. She is taller than he is even( another tb child). Great great gran is in there too. :P

The wee girl on that photo still lives on the well known Byker Estate, my nana was from Byker. I talk to her on facebook. Is the one in this link,

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/byker-folk-vote-yes-community-1401888

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/531211_127565860721313_303011085_n_zpsix8d0a1i.jpg

[Neon Knight]

Hehe was it like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJr9SSJKkIICouldn't resist:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4VFqbroi1I

[Jackson]

Yeah there were some ancestors on my dad's mother's side who seemed to go from place to place and were very poor, although as it's a bit further back i don't really have any second hand information about them, one died in her 30s of cancer and we've never been able to locate where she was buried so i have no idea what happened there.

[Graham]

This is like the most British thing( my grandparents & parents are so working class..)that has ever been talked on this forum. hahaha

[Neon Knight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1by0-nkKOTs

[dawson]

I didnt know "social classes" still exist

[Catkin]

It's weird that. My great grandad and Great gran in Newcastle were only about 5 foot tall. They lived in the poorest parts. Diet and poor contdions can effect the way you look and grow. It is very underplayed on this anthro forum.

The man in the middle is my great grandd, my great gran to his right & their daughter(nana), the bride. She is taller than he is even( another tb child). Great great gran is in there too. :P

The wee girl on that photo still lives on the well known Byker Estate, my nana was from Byker. I talk to her on facebook. Is the one in this link,

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/byker-folk-vote-yes-community-1401888


Wow, amazing photo- going back so many generations! :)

My grandad was maybe 5'7" or 5'8", but apparently his dad was really quite big (Brunn? :p). My grandad's mum and sisters were very small though. I have a photo somewhere of me with him and two of his sisters and I worked out the shortest may only have been about 4'5", with the other sister only a couple of inches more. Honestly, looking at old photos of that side, the old racist Irish stereotype posters- especially the one comparing I think an English woman to an Irish woman- could actually have been based on several members of my family they look so similar, bless them. Whether it's just a general look of ill-health.

[Catkin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1by0-nkKOTs

I was just about to post that! xD

[Graham]

Wow, amazing photo- going back so many generations! :)

Honestly, looking at old photos of that side, the old racist Irish stereotype posters- especially the one comparing I think an English woman to an Irish woman- could actually have been based on several members of my family they look so similar, bless them. Whether it's just a general look of ill-health.

Well the poorest Irish migrants from the famine and all, moved to Scotland, rather than America or England. But that was mainly from North West Ireland.. You wonder how desperate your life would be to move to even wetter cramped places like Glasgow in the 19th century.

I can feel sorry when I see what Irelands population used to be like in comparison the UK( at a similar rate), compared to now.

[Catkin]

Well the poorest Irish migrants from the famine and all, moved to Scotland, rather than America or England. But that was mainly from North West Ireland.. You wonder how desperate your life would be to move to even wetter cramped places like Glasgow in the 19th century.

I can of feel sorry when I see what Irelands population used to be like in comparison the UK( at a similar rate), compared to now.

I think I traced my GG grandad back to County Mayo, but my G grandmother's side seems to have been in Scotland a while, just flitting back and forth to Ireland, maybe for work. It's hard to trace them because there are so few Irish records still existing and when in Scotland they didn't officially register their births with the government. On my dad's side, I've traced ancestors to County Cork, and it seems immigrants from there used to travel by boat to Bristol area, and then walk to London. They were also ones who couldn't afford passage to America.

Yes, they must have been pretty desperate. They say don't they, that the reason that the immigrants often stayed around where they disembarked in Scotland was because they were in such ill health and often half starved when they arrived.