Where to from here? Loki

[Lulletje Rozewater]

I have just returned from a foreign business trip, not too dissimilar from the type I do every month but unlike every other time I return home this time I had a really heavy heart. You see I have decided, after years of patriotic South African support, to pack up and relocate my family elsewhere.

I wish I could cite a specific reason or a particular Malema-ism but no, it wasn't that at all. In my life and in my own little way I have gone about trying to be normal in an abnormal society. I’ve engaged fellow South Africans and wept when we just lose it and whooped with joy when it works. I participate at all levels of society and can look myself in the mirror and call myself a new South African. I have argued hard for tolerance and an inclusive society.

And this is where the heavy-heart bit comes in because it’s not a question at all of whether I love SA - because I do - but more a question of whether SA loves me.

And the more I look around me and armed with the blessing of perspective from much travelling, I realise that SA simply does not want me.

So what do I do - stay in my beloved homeland and bring up my boys in a society where opportunities are denied them because they will forever be made to pay over the odds for the burden of guilt? Apartheid was never right and it is long dead thankfully but that dead horse cannot be flogged forever, surely?

Ongoing and repeated rape of our country by those in power has to end sometime, surely? The lives of poor and marginalised South Africans cannot continue to get worse and worse while greedy fat cats milk it, surely? The cynical dumbing down of this nations integrity and moral fibre and the steady decline in international perception should cease, surely? The daily persecution of South Africans is just a passing phase, surely? Alas no. No to all the above.

Whether it’s by a panga wielding madman or BEE or the growing clamour among ordinary folk - we are being ushered to the exit and to make everyone happier, perhaps we must just go quietly.

I will gladly stay and take on the fight but my children deserve more, they deserve a chance in a society where everyone is accepted and everyone is wanted and where merit decides your fate. They deserve to live in a society where there is accountability and there is responsibility and there is integrity and above all where there is love.

I have the means to move almost anywhere and my fervent wish would be to move to a NEW New South Africa, but alas I think it will be stillborn in the decaying corpse of the OLD New South Africa.

So where to?

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Many friends of mine have left.
I am in the process selling my property.
Yet, the prospect starting elsewhere is no fun.
I have read Loki's fear factor losing everything.
Similarly I too lost everything and build my 'wealth' again.
It is not fearing anything that worries me.
It is my big mouth in my local bar that worries me.
Upsetting blacks when I voice my opinion about their kaffir ideologies and I use the word kaffir.
Prior to 1990 I was not like that.
The feeling voiced in the letter could have been me.
Where to now,because sure as hell I will either be deported or jailed.
Is there a place for a rampokker like me in SA?
Then again
why are specialists in the medical field not leaving en mass?
Is hope the reason?
I do not know.
I do know that we, the whites ,are not wanted
We are an embarrassment to their infantile behavior,to their corruption,to their lateral thinking.

[Loki]

Whilst I do feel a closeness/patriotism towards all South Africans in some way, I have never been fooled into the idea that we are all the same, etc. That doesn't mean I hate or dislike others. I/my people are just unique and different. I am a Voortrekker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voortrekker). Will always be. An Anglicized one, but one "in murg en been". Proudly. The fate of my people have always been unsure, nothing has changed. Every man for himself, as there are too many traitors out there.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Voortrekker_Flag.svg

[poiuytrewq0987]

I'm sorry to hear that, where are you gonna move to?

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Whilst I do feel a closeness/patriotism towards all South Africans in some way, I have never been fooled into the idea that we are all the same, etc. That doesn't mean I hate or dislike others. I/my people are just unique and different. I am a Voortrekker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voortrekker). Will always be. An Anglicized one, but one "in murg en been". Proudly. The fate of my people have always been unsure, nothing has changed. Every man for himself, as there are too many traitors out there.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Voortrekker_Flag.svg

Yes Loki,that is the crime we have to put up with since Jan van Riebeeck.
That is one of the reasons I give up, or about to give up.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

I'm sorry to hear that, where are you gonna move to?

Possibly Canada.

[Grumpy Cat]

Possibly Canada.

Where in Canada?

[SwordoftheVistula]

I've heard a lot of former South Africans have moved to Australia.

[Grumpy Cat]

There are a lot of South Africans in my city. I was quite bitter when the South African restaurant got closed down by the health inspector. I got a big feed of Cape Malay curry there every payday and I never got sick. :mad:

[poiuytrewq0987]

There are a lot of South Africans in my city. I was quite bitter when the South African restaurant got closed down by the health inspector. I got a big feed of Cape Malay curry there every payday and I never got sick. :mad:

Hmm I would love to try out some Afrikaner food someday. :D

[Grumpy Cat]

Hmm I would love to try out some Afrikaner food someday. :D

I don't think Cape Malay curry is Afrikaner in origin, but maybe they do eat it, I don't know.

The restaurant had a lot of dishes, and it had both black and white employees, but I just ate that one thing because it was like seriously, sex on a plate!!!

I just walked in the restaurant and they would say "Cape Malay curry?". And I would nod. Hell, I didn't even have to walk in, they just saw my car coming in the parking lot and started cooking it. lol.

[Loki]

Yes Loki,that is the crime we have to put up with since Jan van Riebeeck.
That is one of the reasons I give up, or about to give up.

As for you, you can easily return to the Netherlands, since you have recent roots there. :) It's not that bad, they have good weed there.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Where in Canada?
Saskatchewan or Montreal
Don't know precisely where.

I have in mind to visit Canada by December

[Lulletje Rozewater]

I've heard a lot of former South Africans have moved to Australia.

Yes ,I know.
I am not so keen on Australia.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

As for you, you can easily return to the Netherlands, since you have recent roots there. :) It's not that bad, they have good weed there.

A few days ago at the Embassy- I had to apply for a new passport-they too were asking reasons to leave SA.
My answer:" To many cocoons here"
What is cocoon????
A kakaffir,I replied.

Tell me about weed???
My family from my brother in law's side were snorting the Turkish pipe much better.:p

[Lulletje Rozewater]

There are a lot of South Africans in my city. I was quite bitter when the South African restaurant got closed down by the health inspector. I got a big feed of Cape Malay curry there every payday and I never got sick. :mad:

Which city????

[Grumpy Cat]

Saskatchewan or Montreal
Don't know precisely where.

I have in mind to visit Canada by December

Hehehe... go to Montreal. You'd die of boredom in Saskatewan.

I'd personally recommend Alberta, that's where the money is.

[Aemma]

Saskatchewan or Montreal
Don't know precisely where.

I have in mind to visit Canada by December

Well you have to visit Montreal of course! C'est magnifique! To live there isn't so bad I guess but it would depend on how comfortable you would be living in a predominantly Francophone province. They take their language laws very very seriously there.

As for Saskatchewan I guess there's conflicting information: Regina, the capital of that province, is getting to be a pretty hot market actually. It's not as expensive to live there as it is to live in Alberta but you're close enough to Alberta to reap the benefits of living close to the province with the hottest Canadian economy.

You might want to try Ottawa, it's a nice middle ground if a good family environment is what you're after, and we're close enough to Montreal and to Toronto. I'd stay away from Toronto myself unless your business affairs take you there.

Vancouver is huge but gorgeous (apparently). Very Asian in atmosphere from what I understand as is Calgary (now). But they offer plenty of hustle and bustle if that's what you're after.

What are you looking for precisely, Dok?

But anyway, either way, Canada's a pretty decent place if I do say so myself. :) :D

[Brynhild]

I've heard a lot of former South Africans have moved to Australia.

That is true. I have met quite a few in my time. Post (and even during) Apartheid brought a lot of them here. I think it's also the similarity in climate and sharing the same hemisphere, along with the more laid-back lifestyle.


Yes ,I know.
I am not so keen on Australia.

To each his own. Likewise, Canada wouldn't be a drawcard for me, either. The only reason being it's an unknown quantity to me. In saying this, I wish you luck in your new venture.

[The Lawspeaker]

Possibly Canada.
Buy a enkeltje Schiphol. It's time to go home.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

That is true. I have met quite a few in my time. Post (and even during) Apartheid brought a lot of them here. I think it's also the similarity in climate and sharing the same hemisphere, along with the more laid-back lifestyle.



[QUOTE]To each his own. Likewise, Canada wouldn't be a drawcard for me, either. The only reason being it's an unknown quantity to me. In saying this, I wish you luck in your new venture.
The problem is the business I am in.
Australia is not the right place,it is to far from London and New York and Amsterdam.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Well you have to visit Montreal of course! C'est magnifique! To live there isn't so bad I guess but it would depend on how comfortable you would be living in a predominantly Francophone province. They take their language laws very very seriously there.
No problem there I shall bribe them with outdated Katangalese 'Nouveau Franc :D


As for Saskatchewan I guess there's conflicting information: Regina, the capital of that province, is getting to be a pretty hot market actually. It's not as expensive to live there as it is to live in Alberta but you're close enough to Alberta to reap the benefits of living close to the province with the hottest Canadian economy.

My kind of snake(Regina), not far from the province Ontario.
Sound good

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Regina_septemvittataPCCA20060513-3674B.jpg/220px-Regina_septemvittataPCCA20060513-3674B.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Regina_septemvittataPCCA20060513-3674B.jpg)



You might want to try Ottawa, it's a nice middle ground if a good family environment is what you're after, and we're close enough to Montreal and to Toronto. I'd stay away from Toronto myself unless your business affairs take you there.

Possibly after two years living in Canada




Vancouver is huge but gorgeous (apparently). Very Asian in atmosphere from what I understand as is Calgary (now). But they offer plenty of hustle and bustle if that's what you're after.

Asians brrrrrrrrr:tongue very sleezy business men


What are you looking for precisely, Dok?

But anyway, either way, Canada's a pretty decent place if I do say so myself. :) :D

I am not sure what I want,just shopping around.
I must get the feel of the country

[Stormraaf]

I have never been fooled into the idea that we are all the same, etc.

Pan-Europeanism is silly, yes.


I am a Voortrekker. Will always be. An Anglicized one, but one "in murg en been". Proudly.

But is this still a meaningful sentiment? It would have been a necessary one had we been in a position to survive as a diaspora, but that's not one of the possible fates available to us - we are too related to the folks of the countries our people tend to migrate to not to assimilate. A bloodline can (and in most cases will) go from Afrikaner to Anglo within a single generation - and that's not to criticize, it's just the way the cookie crumbles.

As for being Anglicized, well... the core of Afrikanerdom is itself being Anglicized. Afrikaners down here just don't realize to which extent they've already started adopting English as a cultural language themselves (though in South Africa this is still conceivably reversible). This does complicate the matter of spying out the "better" path to take from here, because Anglicization here is not preferable to Anglicization elsewhere (it's probably even preferable to Anglicize where there's the possibility of being imprinted by the old Anglo-Saxon spirit). And people here are just as quick to criticize a fellow Afrikaner for e.g. not participating in their damnable bible-thumper VVK process as they are of one fleeing the country. So let's just say it's easier for someone to be labeled as a too Anglicized Afrikaner or as a betrayer than would in fairness be the case.


The fate of my people have always been unsure, nothing has changed. Every man for himself, as there are too many traitors out there.

It's perhaps noteworthy that this mindset lends precedence to calling oneself Voortrekker (though I myself think it invalid to call oneself a member of what is now a purely historic grouping), if we associate an every-man-for-himself mentality with Anarchy:


when the British invaded in 1795, a number of trekboers were in rebellion and had declared themselves a republic. It is important to remember that this tradition predated the coming of the British. Trekboer political notions were not too far from anarchy.
http://husky1.smu.ca/~wmills/course316/18White_Settlers.html

Alright, "Trekboers", not Voortrekkers, but the former was the precursor of the latter, both in ancestry and endeavours.

And if not that, well, if we distinguish between fighting rebels and migrating rebels, Voortrekkers were certainly of the latter. :P

P.S. Sterkte in Kanada, Kleitrapper (of elders as jy teen Kanada besluit).

[Loki]

Alright, "Trekboers", not Voortrekkers, but the former was the precursor of the latter, both in ancestry and endeavours.

And if not that, well, if we distinguish between fighting rebels and migrating rebels, Voortrekkers were certainly of the latter. :P


Two different things. Some Trekboers became Voortrekkers, but not all Voortrekkers came from Trekboer stock (only a percentage). Voortrekkers were proud people who established their republics of independence, built towns and cities and became a real volk.

[Stormraaf]

I don't intend to challenge that. Their tactic of establishing anew, elsewhere proved beneficial for the growth of Afrikaner civilization. A confrontational rebellion at that stage probably had more potential for disaster.

[RoyBatty]

I don't intend to challenge that. Their tactic of establishing anew, elsewhere proved beneficial for the growth of Afrikaner civilization. A confrontational rebellion at that stage probably had more potential for disaster.

Dagse ou swaer, geniet die sokker :D

[Stormraaf]

Dagsê, Roy. Sal jy glo my Amerikaanse base "borg" sokkermania op ons kantoor hier onder? :rolleyes2: Moet sê ek het nie die krag daarvoor nie. Ek sal dit wel geniet as dinge uitmekaar val. ;)

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Dagsê, Roy. Sal jy glo my Amerikaanse base "borg" sokkermania op ons kantoor hier onder? :rolleyes2: Moet sê ek het nie die krag daarvoor nie. Ek sal dit wel geniet as dinge uitmekaar val. ;)

Die Vuvuzela sal die fondering laat skeur.
Miskien sal ou Mandel doodval as erelid op 11 Junie.:angel

[RoyBatty]

Dagsê, Roy. Sal jy glo my Amerikaanse base "borg" sokkermania op ons kantoor hier onder? :rolleyes2: Moet sê ek het nie die krag daarvoor nie. Ek sal dit wel geniet as dinge uitmekaar val. ;)

Ek sal jou glo ja, dis in hul geaardheid om hierdie tipe dinge te doen. Ja die sokkersirkus behoort redelik manewales op te lewer lol!!!! :D

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Die Vuvuzela sal die fondering laat skeur.
Miskien sal ou Mandel doodval as erelid op 11 Junie.:angel

A sharks it is his great-grandchild which kicked the bucket to day