Chef Aarón Sánchez's DNA result

[Isleño]

I was watching the episode called "Melting Pot" of the "Finding your roots" series about genealogy and DNA and I paused it and took a snap shot of Aarón Sánchez's DNA result.

Aarón Sánchez is a Mexican-American celebrity chef in the United States and a regular on the Food Network on American television in many of the network's shows. He's also a restauranteur. His Mexican heritage is from Sonora, México. He has both European and Native American ancestry. His European ancestry is Spanish ancestry and has a link to Bilbao, Spain in Basque country.

This is Aarón Sánchez:

http://www.miami.com/sites/migration.miami.com/files/images/aaronsanchez1.jpg


and this is his DNA results showed on the program (I paused it and took a screen shot)

http://i61.tinypic.com/k3kpe9.jpg


Seems he is of the castizo type with a few percent of SSA.

[RMuller]

Cool, thanks!

[Bradshaw]

he dosen't look castizo, sorta more harnizoish, but anyways looks can be deciving.

thanks for sharing!

[Isleño]

he dosen't look castizo, sorta more harnizoish, but anyways looks can be deciving.

thanks for sharing!
That's why it's always good to remember that genotype does not equal phenotype and it can go either way when a phenotype is concerned.

[Isleño]

Cool, thanks!

No doubt. I have the whole series of Finding your roots, and there are several celebrities DNA results shown. I will try to take some more screen shots of them and make more threads like this one. I also want to make one about the black Americans on the show, because they were ranging in the 21%-49% range for European DNA and the rapper Nas was like the only one with a small Euro input and his was 13% I believe. I will post more threads from the series soon.

By the way, I love your sig :)

[Leto]

I also want to make one about the black Americans on the show, because they were ranging in the 21%-49% range for European DNA and the rapper Nas was like the only one with a small Euro input and his was 13% I believe.
That would be very nice of you. The Euro admixture in Aframs is an interesting topic.:thumbs up

[Awebo]

he dosen't look castizo, sorta more harnizoish, but anyways looks can be deciving.

thanks for sharing!
That's what he is. Castizos are supposed to be more or less 75% Euro. He is not quite there.

[Isleño]

That would be very nice of you. The Euro admixture in Aframs is an interesting topic.:thumbs up
I was watching the show and I was seeing these high European DNA percentages for them and I was like damn, they are pretty mixed. They were in between 21%-49% Euro. And get this, one of them was 80% Euro, but goes through life as a "black American". And he is actually the head of the NAACP in the US, the politically correct group that protects black Americans. I was like wow, that's ironic that he's that guy and he's 80% European.

[Isleño]

That's what he is. Castizos are supposed to be more or less 75% Euro. He is 66%

Well I think we know textbook castizo is like that, but he's in a similar range since he only has just under 25% Amerind. I don't think 3.7% is enough SSA to claim him as afromestizo. So I think he's kinda around the castizo range, at least in my opinion.

[Leto]

I was watching the show and I was seeing these high European DNA percentages for them and I was like damn, they are pretty mixed. They were in between 21%-49% Euro. And get this, one of them was 80% Euro, but goes through life as a "black American". And he is actually the head of the NAACP in the US, the politically correct group that protects black Americans. I was like wow, that's ironic that he's that guy and he's 80% European.
Is Al Sharpton 80% Euro? LOL. He doesn't look that. A 80% Euro person would be either fully or predominantly caucasoid.

[Sikeliot]

He looks almost Greek or something, interesting.

[Isleño]

Is Al Sharpton 80% Euro? LOL. He doesn't look that. A 80% Euro person would be either fully or predominantly caucasoid.

No, it's not Al Sharpton. I forgot the guy's name. Matter of fact, let me go to the episode and get the guy's name...

[Awebo]

Well I think we know textbook castizo is like that, but he's in a similar range since he only has just under 25% Amerind. I don't think 3.7% is enough SSA to claim him as afromestizo. So I think he's kinda around the castizo range, at least in my opinion.
Considering castizos are predominantly European, I would take that race more into account when determining who is and who isn't one. He's a harnizo in my book.

[Isleño]

Is Al Sharpton 80% Euro? LOL. He doesn't look that. A 80% Euro person would be either fully or predominantly caucasoid.

Actually I just googled it real quick and his name is Benjamin Jealous. This is him:

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/naacp/towardsanewcentury/Assets/na156_standard.jpg

His DNA test if I remember was 80% European and 15% SSA and the rest small little minority percentages. I will take a photo of it from the episode.

[Isleño]

He looks almost Greek or something, interesting.
I don't think he looks Greek, I can see the SSA but it's faint. Greeks don't look partially SSA.

[Leto]

Actually I just googled it real quick and his name is Benjamin Jealous. This is him:

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/naacp/towardsanewcentury/Assets/na156_standard.jpg

His DNA test if I remember was 80% European and 15% SSA and the rest small little minority percentages. I will take a photo of it from the episode.
He is not black. Maybe he is not white either, but calling him, Barack, Tiger Woods, a West African person and an Ethiopid "black" is kinda silly and meaningless.

[Isleño]

Considering castizos are predominantly European, I would take that race more into account when determining who is and who isn't one. He's a harnizo in my book.

Yes, but a harnizo would at least have to be 30%+ Amerind and he's only got 25%. The casta used to go by how much Amerind blood, like when a criollo was allowed up to 12.5%. But of course we are not in the times of the casta and this little SSA percentage shifts things around a bit. But to me, I don't think he has enough Amerind blood to be harnizo, but of course this is my opinion, everyone is entitled to one. The SSA may be influencing his phenotype and maybe not, it's hard to tell that in such small percentages. But he does look harnizo-like, so it could be along with the Amerind creating it.

I just classified him as a castizo with a few percent SSA.

[Gauthier]

That's why it's always good to remember that genotype does not equal phenotype and it can go either way when a phenotype is concerned.

On the latin american 23andme thread there are mestizos with less european admixture than him that look more caucasoid. Genetics can be random when it comes to multi-generational admixed people.


Mexican.
http://i60.tinypic.com/jhsnrs.png
http://i62.tinypic.com/mtmr6s.jpg


Argentinian.
http://i61.tinypic.com/2469gkn.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/2cdwpzr.jpg


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/R1NJHh.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/ipR1NJHhj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/904/UsZpp4.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/p4UsZpp4j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/K4Qe0A.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/eyK4Qe0Aj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/3ou40q.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/ey3ou40qj)


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[Isleño]

He is not black. Maybe he is not white either, but calling him, Barack, Tiger Woods, a West African person and an Ethiopid "black" is kinda silly and meaningless.Yes, I fully agree. But in his mind, he is black. He goes through life as a black man. He is listed as an "African-American" and he heads up the largest and oldest pro-black American politically correct organization. To me he is just above an octoroon. Some of them really believe since the old one drop rule said they were black in the old days if they had any black ancestry even though it's invalid today and does not exist. I don't understand it either. Identity crisis?

[Isleño]

On the latin american 23andme thread there are mestizos with less european admixture than him that look more caucasoid. Genetics can be random when it comes to multi-generational admixed people.
Yes I agree. I think it may be less of a chance to happen as frequently, but it still happens. So yeah, phenotype can be random sometimes.

[Leto]

Yes, I fully agree. But in his mind, he is black. He goes through life as a black man. He is listed as an "African-American" and he heads up the largest and oldest pro-black American politically correct organization. To me he is just above an octoroon. Some of them really believe since the old one drop rule said they were black in the old days if they had any black ancestry even though it's invalid today and does not exist. I don't understand it either. Identity crisis?
Well, the Hollywood actor Jesse Williams is also a black nationalist, even though his mother is a Swedish-American, while his father must be a mulatto or something like that (not purely SSA). I believe he is around 70% Euro, maybe more. But he is an outspoken supporter of the Afram community and proud to be "black".
http://cs307411.vk.me/v307411140/88ca/POq5RbQb8TM.jpg

[Isleño]

Well, the Hollywood actor Jesse Williams is also a black nationalist, even though his mother is a Swedish-American, while his father must be a mulatto or something like that (not purely SSA). I believe he is around 70% Euro, maybe more. But he is an outspoken supporter of the Afram community and proud to be "black".
http://cs307411.vk.me/v307411140/88ca/POq5RbQb8TM.jpg
Yeah, Aframs are a mixed people to begin with, so if someone has a white parent and an Afram parent, they will usually be more European than Sub-Saharan African. I think the lowest Euro score I've seen for an Afram was 9% and the highest was this guy with the 80% Euro. But averages put them at around 19%-20% Euro, but individual results I've seen quite a few that were like 25%-35% European. So Aframs definitely have substantial European admixture. But you're probably wondering why Aframs have this and white Americans don't. Well the answer is the one drop rule. In the past in the US, those with any known or visual SSA were seen as black. That's also where this mentality comes from about identifying as black even if they are mulattoes or quadroons/octoroons like this Benjamin Jealous guy, head of the NAACP.

So since people with any black ancestry by law was seen as black, those mulattoes, quadroons and octoroons blended with the unmixed SSA's and that admixed their people significantly to the point that today, Aframs are usually between one-quarter to one-third European. And it did the opposite to the white Americans, it kept them European, which was the purpose of the law in the first place. Without the one drop rule, the US would probably have wounded up a mixed race nation like you find in Latin America. But now that non-white immigration has been widespread in the US since 1965 when the immigration law was changed, the future of the US just might wound up like that, a mixed race nation since there is no law to keep the whites white anymore.

[Robert A.]

I think he is a good example of the problems that can arise when classifying Mexicans who are 1/2 to 3/4 S. Euro.

Honestly, I think he looks like the Mexican version of this Spanish poet:
http://images.eldiario.es/politica/Federico-Garcia-Lorca-Auster-Nueva_EDIIMA20130611_0022_14.jpg

Personally, my family is from the same region of Mexico and has a very similar genotype. Regarding phenotype, all of family members are usually mistaken for being from different parts of the Mediterranean region, including: Jewish/Greek/So. Italian/Arab (me + sister), Arab (my sister), Greek (my mom), Turkish (my brother) Spanish (my sister), despite the fact that we have no ties to those regions, at least for 500+ years. So, I simply think that this is a similar case, but most Mexicans would easily identify him as being mixed-race of significant European ancestry.

If you want to see what I mean, take a look of a picture of him with his twin brother and mother:
https://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/news/schlesinger-newsletter/zarela-pioneer-regional-mexican-cuisine