Sarkozy threatened to take France off Euro to get Germany to agree to bailout

[SwordoftheVistula]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/7723782/President-Nicolas-Sarkozy-threatened-to-pull-France-out-of-euro.html

The newspaper cited comments by Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero to members of his party on Wednesday as relayed by people present at that meeting.

A spokesman for the Spanish Prime Minister's office confirmed the meeting between Zapatero and other socialist party members on Wednesday, but could not immediately confirm what was said at the meeting.

Sarkozy demanded a "commitment from everyone to suppport Greece...or France would reconsider its position in the euro," according to one source cited by El Pais.

Another source present at the meeting between Zapatero and his party members and cited by the paper said: "Sarkozy ended up banging his fist on the table and threatening to leave the euro...This forced Angela Merkel to give in and reach an agreement."

The European Union and International Monetary Fund agreed a 110 billion euro rescue plan for Greece last week. But Germany, which must shoulder a good deal of the burden, had proven reluctant to commit itself to a plan.

Zapatero told his party members that France, Italy and Spain had formed a united front against Germany at the Brussels meeting and that Sarkozy had threatened to break up a traditional France-Germany "hold" on the rest of Europe, according to El Pais.

[Svanhild]

If Merkel had only a glimmer of pride and patriotism her answer would have been: "No Monsieur Sarkozy, France can stay in the Euro zone. Germany leaves."

Without Germany as the largest European economy and net payer, the Euro zone would disintegrate right away.

[Jarl]

"Sarkozy ended up banging his fist on the table and threatening to leave the euro...This forced Angela Merkel to give in and reach an agreement."

that France, Italy and Spain had formed a united front against Germany



Bailout or war! Liberte! Egalite! Fraternite!

:D

[The Lawspeaker]

Merkel (and she would have said that representing most of the German people) should have answered "we're off- sort your own mess" and left the table and the Eurozone.
This would have forced the Netherlands (Germany is one of our biggest trading partners) to leave the Eurozone as well and made sure that Dutch money stayed Dutch.

[Jarl]

Germany should have answered "we're off- sort your own mess" and left the table and the Eurozone.
This would have forced the Netherlands (Germany is one of our biggest trading partners) to leave the Eurozone as well and made sure that Dutch money stayed Dutch.

It's a good theory... Only it will not happen coz... Germany is EU. And so it is her mess. If she wants to do business in her own Eurozone, then she's got to pay for keeping it up. With Germany pulling out this whole EU would cease exist by default.

[The Lawspeaker]

It's a good theory... Only it will not happen coz... Germany is EU. And so it is her mess. If she wants to do business in her own Eurozone, then she's got to pay for keeping it up. With Germany pulling out this whole EU would cease exist by default.
All the more reason to pull out.

[Jarl]

All the more reason to pull out.

The price is lower GDP, weaker influence on European politics, and no more Osthilfe for DDR... ;)

[The Lawspeaker]

The price is lower GDP, weaker influence on European politics, and no more Osthilfe for DDR... ;)
I don't believe all those NWO horror stories, mate. Sorry.
Germany doesn't have any influence at all- actually as it is being nicked clean by the Allies.
They are actually even still occupied.

[Svanhild]

Jarl, your attempts to persuade us of bad conscience doesn't work. A lot of Germans don't care about what others think anymore. Lower GDP? Weaker influence in Europe? Alright then! I want my country free and self-determined, without caring for people like you or Sarkozy. We are sick of crying Poles, sick of cyring Greeces, sick of crying Portugese and sick of all demanding Eurocrats. Just piss off. You get the message?

A representative poll of the biggest German opinion research center disclosed that 54% of Germans want the D-Mark back as soon as possible.

[Jarl]

I don't believe all those NWO horror stories, mate. Sorry.
Germany doesn't have any influence at all- actually as it is being nicked clean by the Allies.
They are actually even still occupied.

No. Of course not. What kind of influence could World's third economy and Euro's first have??? Nonsense!

[The Lawspeaker]

No one believes this clap trap anymore, Jarl. Germany is a mere vessel at the moment. And so is my own country and this should end as soon as possible.

[Jarl]

No one believes this clap trap anymore, Jarl. Germany is a mere vessel at the moment. And so is my own country and this should end as soon as possible.



Clap, clap! Then why it is Germany who first pushed to introduce Euro? To widen EU by the Eastern Bloc states? Ukraine? There is nothing to believe. Germany makes money on the EU, and Germany is richest. Period. This means she alone makes most of the EU policy and other countries have to accept it.


Germany is a mere vessel at the moment. And so is my own country and this should end as soon as possible.

This is the most naive reasoning I ever heard. Germany created EU and pushed for its expansion to doom herself? Don't be silly. No. German capitalists and politicians are not that dumb. Germany makes big money thanks to Euro currency and border free economic zone.

[The Lawspeaker]

Germany didn't push it. Some bankers based in Germany (because of Germany's tax climate) did, yes.
We don't believe this shit anymore, Jarl. We have seen our countries fall prey to judeo-capitalism of the worst kind. And let me tell you one thing, mate: your country is next in line. Why do you think that plane carrying the cream of Polish society suddenly crashed only weeks after the head of the Polish central bank had announced to lower the value of your currency thus making it more competitive with the Euro ?

Coincidence ? Sure ..

[Jarl]

Germany didn't push it. Some bankers based in Germany (because of Germany's tax climate) did, yes.

German politicians opted for EU, Eurozone, for free-border policy and for accession of the Eastern Bloc countries. The people who ultimately stand behind EU are the same. And no. They did not make these decsions to feed poor Poland or Bulgaria. They made it to make money.

And it is no coincidence that all Polish sugar-mills closed down after joining the EU. The shipyards went bust. While farming and the fishing industry suffered a massive downturn because of the EU-imposed "quotas".

So plz, don't sell me the standard "poor good-hearted Germany feeding crying Greece and Poland" bullshit. Only an ignorant could believe this.



We don't believe this shit anymore, Jarl. We have seen our countries fall prey to judeo-capitalism of the worst kind. And let me tell you one thing, mate: your country is next in line.

There is nothing to believe. German economical and political hegemony within the EU is not a matter of belief. It is a well known fact. Why everybody turns to Germany when something goes wrong? Germany has the final say in all important matters.


Why do you think that plane carrying the cream of Polish society suddenly crashed only weeks after the head of the Polish central bank had announced to lower the value of your currency thus making it more competitive with the Euro ?

Coincidence ? Sure ..

Don't worry about my country and the plane crash. My country is a little player. No big threat, no big risk. And Unce Sam's keeping an eye on it.

[The Lawspeaker]

German politicians opted for EU, Eurozone, for free-border policy and for accession of the Eastern Bloc countries. The people who ultimately stand behind EU are the same. And no. They did not make these decsions to feed poor Poland or Bulgaria.
Dutch politicians did too. After they said another thing or were lying about the "benefits that the EU and the Euro have for us all" for years. Those politicians are traitors and NOT really representing the country.
Before Poland joined the EU was there a referendum ? Don't lie to us because I know there wasn't one.

They sold your country into slavery. A bit like Judas.. for 30 pieces each.

[Murphy]

Blind patriotism leads people to do stupid things. I am half convinced that Svanhild and Asega will only defend Germany in the face of the indefensible because a Polack is the one doing the criticising.

You're obviously on a forum where the collective ideology of the membership, with some differences amongst one another, disagree with the present state of society and government. So why are you on an anti-government forum, saying you're anti-government.. defending your government?

[Jarl]

Blind patriotism leads people to do stupid things. I am half convinced that Svanhild and Asega will only defend Germany in the face of the indefensible because a Polack is the one doing the criticising.

You're obviously on a forum where the collective ideology of the membership, with some differences amongst one another, disagree with the present state of society and government. So why are you on an anti-government forum, saying you're anti-government.. defending your government_


Ironic, huh??? ;) It's funny to how absurd ideas this leads. "Our government is doing what our bankers tell us", but:


We are sick of crying Poles, sick of cyring Greeces, sick of crying Portugese and sick of all demanding Eurocrats. Just piss off. You get the message?

Keep on dreaming ;)

[Svanhild]

Then why it is Germany who first pushed to introduce Euro?
That's wrong, the Euro was the price for the reunification of Germany in 1990. Politicians from France and Benelux demanded an European currency in Maastricht 1991 and our chancellor Helmut Kohl supported it. There're sources who claim that Germany was confronted with plans for an European currency in the late 80ies. A refusal of the plan was tantamount with a "No" of the winning parties over the question of German reunification. The formula was: German reunification only with the support of an European currency a few years later. The Euro is the bitter pill we have to swallow for our reunification!


Germany created EU and pushed for its expansion to doom herself?
How often do I have to repeat myself? Germany hasn't created the EU. You're telling clear lies here, over and over again. The main idea of the EU is to keep Germany under control by embracing us from all sides. Politically, economically and socially.

[poiuytrewq0987]

The formula was: German reunification only with the support of an European currency a few years later. The Euro is the bitter pill we have to swallow for our reunification! Fortunately for you, your industry is so massive you could build a multimillion man army with hundreds of thousands of tanks and overrun Europe to end this second Versailles Treaty i.e. EU slavery. :laugh:

[The Lawspeaker]

Fortunately for you, your industry is so massive you could build a multimillion man army with hundreds of thousands of tanks and overrun Europe to end this second Versailles Treaty i.e. EU slavery. :laugh:
And they bloody well should. :thumb001:

[Jarl]

Germany hasn't created the EU. The main idea of the EU is to keep Germany under control by embracing us from all sides. Politically, economically and socially.


O..K.... I got no further questions....

[poiuytrewq0987]

Wasn't Merkel's parents part of the political elite in DDR and worked for the KGB-like organization there? :coffee:

[Lulletje Rozewater]

And Unce Sam's keeping an eye on it.
Are you sure?????


http://www.lobofakes.com/fakes/sarkozy_napoleon_nicoleon_lobo_lobofakes.jpg

[Jarl]

Wasn't Merkel's parents part of the political elite in DDR and worked for the KGB-like organization there? :coffee:

Very likely. Just like Kohl, Schröder and the rest of that Stasi-Soviet clique.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Unce Sam's keeping an eye on it.

I wouldn't count on that, with Obama in charge. Under Bush this was certainly the case, since the Republican/Conservative foreign policy establishment was still Russophobic, including Condoleeza Rice who was a 'Russian expert', and many sympathies to Poland because of what happened in the 20th century. With Obama, the foreign policy objective is to avoid distractions from the domestic agenda, so it is unlikely they would intervene on Poland's behalf.

[Jarl]

I wouldn't count on that, with Obama in charge.

Who is Obama? He is nobody. Puppet president probably not even born in the US. They keep his real papers somewhere to have him in check. You can see his real significance on youtube. Saudis and Russians don't even bother to shake his hand. It's one great failure. Inertion and ineptitude. Media-made man.

There is a real business for Uncle Sam in Poland. Here is the deal:

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=88479

And there are people who will see to it. No matter if the president is Obama, Pocahontas, Sitting Bull or Mickey Mouse.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Who is Obama? He is nobody. Puppet president probably not even born in the US. They keep his real papers somewhere to have him in check. You can see his real significance on youtube. Saudis and Russians don't even bother to shake his hand. It's one great failure. Inertion and ineptitude. Media-made man.

There is a real business for Uncle Sam in Poland. Here is the deal:

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=88479

And there are people who will see to it. No matter if the president is Obama, Pocahontas, Sitting Bull or Mickey Mouse.

That's a pity, the natural resources in Poland should be exploited only by Poles not Americans or whoever.

[Svipdag]

This squabble over bailing Greece out is exactly the sort of thing which tries and stresses the stability of the European Union and, IMO, will eventually bring about its collapse. Greece is but one country with a precarious economy. Italy has shown alarming economic instability over the past half century or so.

How many bailouts will Germany tolerate before withdrawing from the EU ?
How long can the EU endure without Germany ? What effect will this bailout have on the world's confidence in the value of that masterpiece of fiat money, the Euro ? It will be interesting to watch the repercussions.

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[SwordoftheVistula]

the natural resources in Poland should be exploited only by Poles not Americans or whoever.

There's nobody there with the technology or engineering skills to do it

[Liffrea]

Political pantomime and grandstanding by Sarkozy in the finest tradition…….I doubt the man was remotely serious for one second.

In fact being both a cynic as well as devious minded I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole show was acted for the benefit of the German press, means Merkel can go to the people and wail about her hands being tied etc etc.

[Jarl]

That's a pity, the natural resources in Poland should be exploited only by Poles not Americans or whoever.

Yes, though like it was said - extracting shale gas is not easy, nor cheap. If Poland can use it to its advantage ie. less dependence on Russian gas supplies more self-sufficiency, it will serve her well.

[poiuytrewq0987]

There's nobody there with the technology or engineering skills to do it

Yes however what's stopping them from developing skills that will let them extract shale gas?