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Beorn
01-18-2009, 01:01 AM
I’ve never lived with a white man, but racism is still there in my DNA(:no:)

Today I am going to reveal something I have never written about before (and you thought there were no more guts to spill).

Here we go. I’ve never had a relationship with a white man. I’ve never had sex with a white man, although I have kissed the odd one, many years ago.
I have been thinking about this fact over the past week, as the issue of race has reared its head again.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/17/article-1120722-00A32444000004B0-594_468x310.jpg

Wedding day: Liz Jones marrying Nirpal Dhaliwal.

The pair are now divorced
On the one hand, we’re about to have a black family in the White House. On the other, we learn our future King refers to a close friend, who is Asian, as ‘Sooty’, while his son, Harry, was caught a few years ago referring to a fellow soldier as a ‘Paki’.
There has been a lot of talk over the past few days, defending the Royals, saying that of course Harry is a hero not a bigot, that Charles is merely being affectionate, and has probably been called Jug Ears in his time.

That America can no longer be racist. That everything is OK.
But racism is more complicated than that. America’s acceptance of Barack Obama is similar to its love for Will Smith: both have to behave white and be devilishly (wrong word) attractive.

Paki does not equate with calling someone ginger; only if people with ginger hair have been attacked in race riots, barred from renting property, beaten up in school and not given jobs because of the colour of their hair, eyebrows and eyelashes, would it somehow be on a par.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/17/article-1120722-030AE6F2000005DC-367_468x360.jpg Prince Charles and Kolin Dhillon, the polo friend he calls Sooty


Why am I bringing up the fact I have had relationships only with black and Asian men?

It is not to bleat that, having been on the arm of a man of colour, I have experienced racism first-hand.
I haven’t, bar the odd occasion when my boyfriend was assumed to be my minicab driver.
Unless you are black or Asian you cannot know what racism feels like.

I’m not even going to say how terrible inverse racism is: you know, poor white people being disliked, being all brave dating a black man (a viewpoint as hopelessly dated as the film Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner?).

Dating, and even marrying, these men meant I was treated only with courtesy by their friends and families, which was very different indeed to how my dad treated my first boyfriend.

I tried to understand that my dad had been in combat with the Mau Mau in Kenya in the Fifties; but, although he was friendly with Germans despite having fought them in Italy, he never could quite get over his distrust of black people.
He refused to let my boyfriend in the house, and ostracised me for a bit; similarly, he always thought my brother’s black wife was lazy and disorganised and ‘too laid-back’.



I want to illustrate that racism is still there and, with the current pressure on jobs and housing and the environment, is a pot of boiling resentment that is in danger of splashing our shiny PC worktops.

We haven’t stamped it out, we have merely buried it.
I saw Cheryl Cole on TV a couple of weeks ago. She is a woman who got into a fight with a black lavatory attendant, married a (rich, Caucasian-featured) black man, and was seen, eyes widening like a cat with a mouse, ogling a mixed-race young man auditioning for The X Factor.
Does this make her incredibly open-minded, or the possessor of a (racist, colonialist) fetish for dark skin?
I think in the Nineties I fell in love with three black men partly because it was fashionable and gave me a veneer of (here comes a racist word) ‘cool’ that, as a boring Essex girl, I didn’t possess.
I married, on the wave of Asians being the new blacks, with lots of hot new books in the bestseller lists, an Indian (that wasn’t the whole reason but, let’s be honest here, it was part of it).
But even this ‘love’ of someone from another culture didn’t stop me, the other day, when a young, black friend told me she had been given a council house but wasn’t happy because ‘it doesn’t have central heating’, from thinking: ‘How bloody ungrateful. Why are you always cold? My brother has to pay his daughter’s rent, all of it.’
White people, no matter how many community projects we might fund or months we might serve fighting for a foreign cause, are capable of racist thoughts and actions that need to be stamped on, hard.
Boris Johnson’s part-Asian wife is often wheeled out to defend his offensive statements, but his marriage doesn’t make him whiter than white. Bad analogy, but you know what I mean.
Racism can be in our DNA. We need to examine ourselves more deeply, not merely slick over the resentments with social niceties.


Source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1120722/LIZ-JONES-I-8217-ve-lived-white-man-racism-DNA.html)

Beorn
01-18-2009, 01:02 AM
What do you reckon? Twelve milligrams of Thorazine?

TheGreatest
01-18-2009, 01:05 AM
"Caucasian-featured" black man? There's no such thing! :D Even the lightest ones with our complexion still show traces of black ancestry (even if it 3 or more generations ago).

Fortis in Arduis
01-18-2009, 07:19 PM
I read this and the comments which came after it.

Priceless material:


You are are clueless!

I'm white and I am married to a black woman and we have experienced much racism from non white people, especially black men. I lived in California and was one of the few whites working amongst Mexicans and I got baited everyday because I am white. I do know what it is like to be treated and despised for having being the wrong color, the only difference is that my tormentors got away with it because they weren't white.

When the media starts putting black and brown racism on the same level as white racism, I will then start to care about what Prince Harry said.


Coloureds,Asians,Orientals whatever you wish to call someone are as capable of racism as any white person.Even racism within their ethnicity because of minor differences wether it is the category of language they speak or even the shade of skin colour.
I lived in SE Asia for a long time and saw and encountered racism that was directed at others or at myself.I have seen it in Australia directed fom Aboriginals to whites and vice versa.In fact I have seen it just about everywhere in one form or nother directed in all directions.
Racism is everywhere it knows no genetic or national boundary.


Yes, Liz, racism is in our DNA, in every human being's DNA, whatever their particular race! Unfair but true - and 'whites' are by no means the only or the worst racists around. And whilst I do believe that we should do our best to eradicate it, we should also remember why it came about: not trusting or allowing 'foreigners' within our midst was a way of ensuring our survival, and so is linked to our 'survival instincts'. I'm not excusing it - I look 100% Indian (even to Indian people) and so have experienced racism first-hand, both in the UK and in SA where I was unfortunate enough to live many years ago. And just by the way: non-verbal racism is possibly the most difficult to deal with and the most hurtful.


I suspect its something to do with (as you hinted towards) a certain lack of confidence, inadequacy, inferiority. That and perhaps you discovered a greater level of acceptance, worship, respect even, from those who you inwardly consider to be inferior to yourself. In other words, you might be a control freak - something you couldn't have when dealing with people of strong character in general. I wonder, is your mate one of the 'nice' guys, wouldn't harm a flea (they're like putty in your hands). My guess would be, yea.


Unless you are black or Asian you cannot know what racism feels like. - Rubbish. While working in Malaysia we English were bullied and persecuted while my Irish mate wasn't. The view was that Ireland and Malaysia had been persecuted by Imperialist Brits in the past. Ok, it wasn't physical, but it really stuffed our lives for 6 months. In a way though, it's enlightening. There are racist bullies, cowards who look the other way or join in and super people who will not take that path. Most of the Malaysians were wonderful, just the 2 or 3 active and ignorant racists to spoil things. It's also important to see that a word cannot be racist, it's the sentiment behind its use that can be and that sentiment often doesn't even use 'racist' vocabulary - for example while we shared our daily coffee with a Sri Lankan colleague: "Why do you sit with him?" How do you fight that? - By treating the guy as an equal (which he is), knowing the racists hate it when you do.

These responses prove that even white liberals are beginning to stick up for themselves.

Liz Jones = silly slut & total air head

A serious error of judgement in writing that article. :lightbul:

GUSTAVUS ADOLPHUS
01-18-2009, 08:16 PM
Whites having monopoly on racism? Her dad didn't let her black boyfriend in the house, and called another negroe some thing or another.

If that had happened in central Africa, the father would have killed the white partner of his black son or daughter.

Which is worse?

SouthernBoy
01-19-2009, 06:51 AM
She has painted herself quite a circle.

CelticViking
02-20-2012, 09:45 PM
Liz Jones is always putting herself down about her weight, she is Self-conscious and so she dates people lower than her to make her feel better. She dates black men now and she may end up on the news soon.

http://unamusementpark.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/flyer3_miscegenation.jpg

Dead Eye
02-22-2012, 09:23 AM
This woman has some serious problems upstairs and is nothing more then an attention seeker.

You can read her rubbish on the Daily Mail,although i have no idea why she thinks her opinions matter to us.

Supreme American
02-22-2012, 11:37 AM
This woman has some serious problems upstairs and is nothing more then an attention seeker.

You can read her rubbish on the Daily Mail,although i have no idea why she thinks her opinions matter to us.

The only reason they publish her is because she's an alternative lifestyler.

She does have racial problems - she has issues dating within her own race, and for whatever reason gravitates toward lower IQ races.

European Loyalist
02-22-2012, 04:27 PM
This is beyond strange and disturbing... It is good evidence as any that the culture of liberalism is literally making people delusional.

Sikeliot
02-22-2012, 04:39 PM
Question: Why should we care what this crazy, delusional woman thinks?

Answer: We shouldn't.