Doug McDonald PCA plot map results plotting with (Italian) Question

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I am Mexican-Hispanic, but you already know that.
McDonald result I have some North African score..... And I am a mix of European, Berber and Amerindian. + with a touch of (SSA). It seems.

What are your thoughts, on where this came in here. I was kinda surprised. were I end up there in the PCA plot map McDonald results.
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/yoyochickenkfc/My%20McDonald%20J%20Douglas%20Results%20Map2tn_zps hzasftyb.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Hmm. I don't know why it has come out like that.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Hmm. I don't know why it has come out like that.

Interesting the plot results huh.

[Jana]

Unusual that you plot with Italians. Maybe his sample are some Southern Italians with low NA scores, who knows. How long did it take you to get his answer ?

[Ulla]

You plot closer to Italians and then to French and Spanish. Mmm.... That's astrology, not science. :)

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Unusual that you plot with Italians. Maybe his sample are some Southern Italians with low NA scores, who knows. How long did it take you to get his answer ?

Yeah, and maybe, that's what someone have told me also. It took some days

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

You plot closer to Italians and then to French and Spanish. Mmm.... That's astrology, not science. :)

I was told by someone that maybe it's some Jew that I must have that it's pulling me and pulled me away to certain direction.

[Ulla]

I was told by someone that maybe it's some Jew that I must have that it's pulling me and pulled me away to certain direction.

That's surely not the reason because "you" plot closer to Italians in the direction of French, and not in the direction of Jews that are distant in the other side. And this is the most strange thing.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

That's surely not the reason because "you" plot closer to Italians in the direction of French, and not in the direction of Jews that are distant in the other side. And this is the most strange thing.

One thing for sure is this is some Interesting results I have got.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Another thing on note it also it didn't really give me any Spanish results which is another strange thing. and also got a kinda high North African % which is crazy because there is nothing North African in my face xD

[Ulla]

Another thing on note it also it didn't really give me any Spanish results which is another strange thing. and also got a kinda high North African % which is crazy because there is nothing North African in my face xD

Consider that the closer sample to French in Italy are the North Italians and both have no NA, while the Spanish have some NA.

[Dombra]

It does not make sense to me :confused: You should be further away from Europe, the SSA must have made the turn really weird

It might have made sense if your European side was Northern+Berber but not now

[Anglojew]

You're obviously of partial-Sephardi ancestry. Embrace your heritage.

[Gaston]

Since you're of mixed ancestry, it doesn't mean much. Could be Spaniard + Native American pushing you to the East. Or not.

Other plots are needed.

[black strips]

Since you're of mixed ancestry, it doesn't mean much. Could be Spaniard + Native American pushing you to the East. Or not.

Other plots are needed.

I'm not an expert but i can't see how Spaniard + Native can make him plot with North Italy just below French.

Truth is many of these maps should be taken for what they are as we can see and it's not even the first South American\Central American (some even with 5\6% SSA )plot in a weird way.

[RighNick]

Thanks for sharing this it's very interesting! Do you remember what the text he wrote in the email said?


Since you're of mixed ancestry, it doesn't mean much. Could be Spaniard + Native American pushing you to the East. Or not.

Other plots are needed.

At first I thought the "European parts only" written at the bottom of these plots meant that only European ethnicities were shown on the plot, but it actually just shows where an mixed individual's European amcestry plots. My black Bermidian friend sent his data to McDonald and he got this same plot back with a cross in the middle of the English cluster. It doesn't mean that he (a 50% SSA individual) plots with British people, it just shows where his a European ancestey fits. It's actually quite a useful tool because rather than just clustering with Mozabites or some other old-world group that he's not at all related to, it allowed him to sort of pinpoint his Euro ancestey.

This is the case for Mn1 as well. It just shows where his European half (or 30% or 75% or 90%, I don't know his exact ancestry) fits. In this case, that part of his ancestry seems to cluster near French and Italians rather tgan Iberians, which is very interesting. As others have pointed out, that could signal Sephardic ancestry or genuine Itslian ancestry.

[Yuffayur]

You plot closer to Italians and then to French and Spanish. Mmm.... That's astrology, not science. :)

It's not astrology, it's shit lol.

[Ibericus]

That "italians" sample are actually north-italians from Bergamo, Lombardy.

[Ventoforte]

Serves well as a cautionary tale for those who think that an overlap in genetic tests mean an overlap in phenotype.

[Sikeliot]

You're near the North Italians, actually. The Sicilians and southerners are near the Jews and Cypriots on that plot.

[Smaug]

Interesting and strange.

[curupira]

McDonald usually sends various plots. To Latin Americans with large multiple ancestries, he sends the American plot (showing the Native American samples), the Euro plot (showing your Euro side) and the world plot. I'm sure he sent to you the map with you plotting near the Mayas. He usually does it to Latin Americans who have large Euro and Native American ancestries. Your Euro plot shows you close to your Iberian ancestry, your American plot shows you near the Maya, and your world plot will give you an overall view, similar to the 23andme world map.

[Shepherd]

PCA plots are weird I don't trust them anyway

[Ventoforte]

You're near the North Italians, actually.
Yes. We are Italians too.

Then they come whining and crying and bullshitting that in their view the Northern Italians are portrayed as "Germanic", "Scandinavian" and shit but at the end of the day it's them, the foreigners, who care so much about the difference.

[Ibericus]

McDonald usually sends various plots. To Latin Americans with large multiple ancestries, he sends the American plot (showing the Native American samples), the Euro plot (showing your Euro side) and the world plot. I'm sure he sent to you the map with you plotting near the Mayas. He usually does it to Latin Americans who have large Euro and Native American ancestries. Your Euro plot shows you close to your Iberian ancestry, your American plot shows you near the Maya, and your world plot will give you an overall view, similar to the 23andme world map.
That is true i've seen him doing that to other LatAms.

[curupira]

That is true i've seen him doing that to other LatAms.

He would not do that with his first round of maps (Evi, part Siberian, did not receive her Euro plot during the first round). He changed it with his second round of maps, which he has kept now for years. He sends it that way to people with large multiple ancestries (when involving East Easian/Euro and African/Euro mixtures too).

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

McDonald usually sends variou plots. To Latin Americans with large multiple ancestries, he sends the American plot (showing the Native American samples), the Euro plot (showing your Euro side) and the world plot. I'm sure he sent to you the map with you plotting near the Mayas. He usually does it to Latin Americans who have large Euro and Native American ancestries. Your Euro plot shows you close to your Iberian ancestry, your American plot shows you near the Maya, and your world plot will give you an overall view, similar to the 23andme world map.

I got send some maps 3 of them and the results. The map 1 was of some key color spots that has 4, :Europe and America:Red, a Mideast :Blue and other ones but I only had those I mencion covering in certain parts of the world. The 2nd map is this one here, and map 3 is Chromosome map. And the results were it breaks it down the admixture in percentage , like Basque, Russian and Northwest Europe, Mideast etc. Thinterpret of all the data and plots. Which it said: "which is very insistend on some sorth of Eastern European being in there. This has lots of precedent in my testing."

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Are you sure it's even yours? Heh

Mamma Mia, You insulting me here,lol. what the fuck you think about me? Don't be a che boluda. :D

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Gracioso, lo dices como si fuera la gran cagada ser un espaguestis. :D

[curupira]

I got send some maps 3 of them and the results. The map 1 was of some key color spots that has 4, :Europe and America:Red, a Mideast :Blue and other ones but I only had those I mencion covering in certain parts of the world. The 2nd map is this one here, and map 3 is Chromosome map. And the results were it breaks it down the admixture in percentage , like Basque, Russian and Northwest Europe, Mideast etc. Thinterpret of all the data and plots. Which it said: "which is very insistend on some sorth of Eastern European being in there. This has lots of precedent in my testing."

Then he sent to you only the world and euro maps. Usually, I have seen him sending 3 maps, including the native. He may have thought it would not be informative or necessary to send it.

[Isleño]

I am Mexican-Hispanic, but you already know that.
McDonald result I have some North African score..... And I am a mix of European, Berber and Amerindian. + with a touch of (SSA). It seems.

What are your thoughts, on where this came in here. I was kinda surprised. were I end up there in the PCA plot map McDonald results.

Look where your sample is, it's to the far left of the Northern Italian score. France borders Northern Italy. Remember, you do have some French ancestry too (as you have mentioned before since there were many French in the part of Mexico where your family is from), so there could have been many that were from the part of France bordering Italy. Notice the Italian cluster does have a couple orange "French" dots in the cluster since France borders Italy.

But there could be several reasons for this result. I do believe RighNick could be right, that this is how the European portion of your ancestry plots, not necessarily your entire ancestry mix as a whole.

But this result is interesting nevertheless.

[Demhat]

I send him my results but he didn't gave me any answer. I doN't know why he didn't gave me any answer.

Does anyone has his e-mail?

[Yuffayur]

I send him my results but he didn't gave me any answer. I doN't know why he didn't gave me any answer.

Does anyone has his e-mail?

He don't answer to all people.

[Demhat]

He don't answer to all people.

very selective the dude. How did you write to him. I mean how did you start the conversation?

and do you know his e-mail adress?

[Yuffayur]

very selective the dude. How did you write to him. I mean how did you start the conversation?

and do you know his e-mail adress?

Yes he's selective, I sent a normal message a kind of hi I'm interested about the results etc, but he did'nt answered me, Alessio "the member" told that you should say it's an emergency, and you send a message like "I'm from an adoptive family, and I want to know my background etc," btw you should write in correct english.

I don't remember his e-mail adress, but just google his name, you will find it easily.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

very selective the dude. How did you write to him. I mean how did you start the conversation?

and do you know his e-mail adress?

You should try again, sending him your raw data from your DNA results.

[TommyT]

If I was you I would get my money back. It is clear he is not even trying now and just defrauding people.