Classify Turkish volleyballer

[Ryujin]

She plays at Genclerbirligi's women's volleyball branch in Ankara.

http://cdn3.hazirportal.com/files/dhmispor.org/yuklenenicerik/esra.jpg
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10258690_790795514264657_6123430682856309331_n.jpg ?oh=1e1aad9a0ce6008d166b33b52c093d7f&oe=5522CA69
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1453451_698453820165494_1951667117_n.jpg?oh=b04819 e2e586988cbf91638feeaa8a33&oe=555110F5
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https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10858000_900358469975027_2275799670200640797_n.jpg ?oh=f38ed776cfff6cf3928e0c17895c93d5&oe=554B8588&__gda__=1431681584_3075700f8e68b346e1d2513d04fcbe0 6
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10616258_904424132901794_5803791366528568799_n.jpg ?oh=6bad442c2c3938d1e66e9e29cd286554&oe=556081DC&__gda__=1431638125_fbc0ceb2f5a4f786cabf5ed26b2181a 2

Will she pass in Mongolia, China, Korea, Japan?

[Ryujin]

I wish most Turkish people were like this. (including me)

[Tooting Carmen]

One of the most Asian-looking Turks there is. Almost passes in Japan and Korea.

[Ryujin]

One of the most Asian-looking Turks there is. Almost passes in Japan and Korea.

Her ancestors sure did a good job at not mixing with other people throughout their way to Anatolia.

[zarzian]

Central Asian immigrant.

[Ryujin]

Central Asian immigrant.

Her name and surname are quite common/typical. Even if so she's definitely not a recent one.

[Azalea]

Her ancestors sure did a good job at not mixing with other people throughout their way to Anatolia.

Phenotype doesn't always correlate with ancestry. If this girl isn't Tatar or from another kind of non-Turkish Turkic minority, then she most probably doesn't have more Central Asian ancestry than any other non-Asian looking Turk in her neck of the woods.

[Ryujin]

Phenotype doesn't always correlate with ancestry. If this girl isn't Tatar or from another kind of non-Turkish Turkic minority, then she most probably doesn't have more Central Asian ancestry than any other non-Asian looking Turk in her neck of the woods.

Ok, I'm not an expert. She could be of Tatar origin like Ilber Ortayli.

[Azalea]

No, it's very much possible that she is an Anatolian Turk. But if she is, it's highly unlikely that she isn't mixed. Actually, it's not even possible for her to be 100% CA if she is an Anatolian Turk. Anyway, just pointing out that phenotype doesn't always correlate with genotype.

We've had Turks here with family members who look like they are from Korea or Japan yet turned out to have a very average or even lower than average Asian admix in their DNA. Then you have people like me with higher than average Asian admix but who don't look Asian at all.

[gültekin]

I wish most Turkish people were like this. (including me)
actually like Türkü Turan. she's like a reincarnation of the Amasya girl
http://s4.postimg.org/blav1s0xp/T_RK_TURAN_lene_kadar_buna_her_bakt_mda_a.jpg
Türkü
http://img1.dr.com.tr/pimages/Content/Uploads/ArtistImages/artist_17835.jpg?ver=30072013
according to Blogen she's caucasoid :D but i think he's just jelly :p

[blogen]

This girl is Baikal type+X, the unknown components are mostly Europids, but the Mongoloid is her dominant characters, so she is an Europo-Mongoloid with dominant Mongoloid character. Türkü Turan is a very-very different story:

http://www.duygubasara.com.tr/upload/menajerlik/29/turku_turan_92847.jpg

[Casandrinos]

ugly Turanid

[Queen B]

Mongol stronk

[Equilibrium]

I wish most Turkish people were like this. (including me)

No good, I'm thanks.

[Virtuous]

T00ranic for my shirt.

[Böri]

This is rare in Turkey but not very rare. I see sometimes in Istanbul also.

[Ryujin]

ugly Turanid

She's much more beautiful than most swarthy ugly east med girls.

[Blood C]

No she can't pass for ethnic Chinese.

But she could blend well among Nogais and perhaps Kalmuks.

[gültekin]

Her team. minimum 6 of them looks have asiatic admix. Ankara legacy :P
https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31.0-8/10896391_880920671929604_8481665102145876399_o.jpg

[Leto]

I wish most Turkish people were like this. (including me)
Why? You don't like being caucasoid?

[Ryujin]

Why? You don't like being caucasoid?

I would love to look like Japanese.

[Danishmend]

Central Asian immigrant.

She is not.




ugly Turanid
http://i.hizliresim.com/EbJjBD.png (http://hizliresim.com/EbJjBD)

[Ryujin]

Most East Asians look much more whiter as well as cuter than these pseudo levantine east meds being regarded as European.

[Pausanias]

Mainly mongoloid, like the original first turks.

[Pausanias]

http://i.hizliresim.com/EbJjBD.png (http://hizliresim.com/EbJjBD)

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

You guys are really bored.

[Danishmend]

Mainly mongoloid, like the original first turks.

Proto-Turks/first Turks were mixed Eurasians, you can't find a Turkic population without Caucasoid admixture, even those residing in Siberia have it to some extent.

[StonyArabia]

She is cute, I think she can pass in Japan or Korea.

[Borna]

http://hizliresim.com/EbJjBD

LOOOL E1b1 STRONK

[Ryujin]

She is cute, I think she can pass in Japan or Korea.

I found her ask.fm account and said she looks like Mongolians. Also learnt that she was single and didn't have anyone in mind. :shy:

[StonyArabia]

I found her ask.fm account and said she looks like Mongolians. Also learnt that she was single and didn't have anyone in mind. :shy:

Cool try to date her then if you can. She is a cute girl for sure.

[gültekin]

I found her ask.fm account and said she looks like Mongolians. Also learnt that she was single and didn't have anyone in mind. :shy:
she's surname is Avşar, which has not surprised me

[Leto]

I think she can pass in Japan or Korea.
I doubt. She would fit in some minority groups in Russia.

[Ryujin]

Cool try to date her then if you can. She is a cute girl for sure.

*heading off to conquer* wish me luck. :cool:

[Leto]

Most East Asians look much more whiter as well as cuter than these pseudo levantine east meds being regarded as European.
They are not whiter, they may be only lighter. "European" is a geographic and cultural term. As for "white", we've already discussed the vagueness of this term. However, the Japanese cannot be "white" by any definition.

[Ryujin]

They are not whiter, they may be only lighter. "European" is a geographic and cultural term. As for "white", we've already discussed the vagueness of this term. However, the Japanese cannot be "white" by any definition.

If someone's lighter he's also whiter to me. :D

[Hadouken]

Turanid + a little Armenoid

[Hadouken]

I dont know why all the hater comments ?

I find Turanid to be a really interesting and good looking phenotype

[Alphawolf]

Turanid + a little Armenoid

This. Thats why she has a little Middle Eastern vibe.

[zhaoyun]

Looks Kyrgyz to me. Very Central Asian for an Anatolian.

[gültekin]

*heading off to conquer* wish me luck. :cool:
first vote for MHP and prove me for that, if you don't want that i break your neck on border of Ankara

[Ryujin]

first vote for MHP and prove me for that, if you don't want that i break your neck on border of Ankara

I'll vote for Tarhan's Anatolia Party. :p

[Casandrinos]

SHE IS UGLY WHAT CAN I DO, THIS IS MY OPINION

POST SOME HOT TURANIDS IF YOU WANT POSITIVE COMMENTS

BUT I DOUBT YOU'LL FIND ANY

LUCKILY YOU ARE MOSTLY GREEK-ARMENIAN-KURD OFFSPRING'S AND YOUR WIMMINZ DON'T LOOK LIKE THAT ON AVERAGE.

[gültekin]

I'll vote for Tarhan's Anatolia Party. :p
:aufsmaul_2:

[zhaoyun]

SHE IS UGLY WHAT CAN I DO, THIS IS MY OPINION

POST SOME HOT TURANIDS IF YOU WANT POSITIVE COMMENTS

BUT I DOUBT YOU'LL FIND ANY

LUCKILY YOU ARE MOSTLY GREEK-ARMENIAN-KURD OFFSPRING'S AND YOUR WIMMINZ DON'T LOOK LIKE THAT ON AVERAGE.

Shes not ugly. But I would say she's average.

[Ryujin]

:aufsmaul_2:

The way to love is thorny. :fencing:

[gültekin]

The way to love is thorny. :fencing:
http://i.imgur.com/Nj5Biny.gif

[Ryujin]

http://i.imgur.com/Nj5Biny.gif

Without pain, without sacrifice, we'll have nothing. If that's what I'll get, I'm ready!

[randomguy1235]

Most East Asians look much more whiter as well as cuter than these pseudo levantine east meds being regarded as European.

Why are you insulting us?

[gültekin]

Without pain, without sacrifice, we'll have nothing. If that's what I'll get, I'm ready!
so, there's no point crying over spilt milk
http://img6.mynet.com/ha8/analiz/hab/behzat12.jpg

[Casandrinos]

Shes not ugly. But I would say she's average.

She is very ugly without make-up

http://cdn3.hazirportal.com/files/dhmispor.org/yuklenenicerik/esra.jpg

[Hadouken]

she is not ugly at all

she is pretty cute actually (no pedo)

[Ryujin]

She is very ugly without make-up

http://cdn3.hazirportal.com/files/dhmispor.org/yuklenenicerik/esra.jpg

She's very beautiful here and doesn't need make-up. Fuck off.

[Leto]

Why are you insulting us?
Perhaps he doesn't want to be regarded as Middle Eastern ("Sand N-s").:noidea:

[Ryujin]

she is not ugly at all

she is pretty cute actually (no pedo)

She's 18, a year younger than me.

[Dani Cutie]

East asian:noidea:

[randomguy1235]

Perhaps he doesn't want to be regarded as Middle Eastern ("Sand N-s").:noidea:

Anatolians (excluding Balkanites/Central Asian families) are a Middle Eastern population, just with some Mongoloid influence. The Middle East encompasses a rather broad range, but Turks have a distinct identity.

[Ryujin]

Casandrinos' beauty standards

http://www.theparthenonpost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/04/68a8f17c20bc1d4bf45ae3e0e9e56c7c1.jpg

[Böri]

She is not ugly she is nice.


Anatolians (excluding Balkanites/Central Asian families) are a Middle Eastern population, just with some Mongoloid influence. The Middle East encompasses a rather broad range, but Turks have a distinct identity.

There is no Anatolians here. We sent them to Greece, they are 30% of population there.

[Leto]

Anatolians (excluding Balkanites/Central Asian families) are a Middle Eastern population, just with some Mongoloid influence. The Middle East encompasses a rather broad range, but Turks have a distinct identity.
I agree, Turks of Turkey are of predominantly West Asian stock with some influences from the Caucasus, Central Asia and the Balkans.

[Equilibrium]

There is no Anatolians here. We sent them to Greece, they are 30% of population there.

Just shut up you moron. :picard1:

[Proto-Shaman]

lol, zarzian took a selfie with her xD

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10579984_803681546320184_5146463128888909896_n.jpg ?oh=24e22061fa93fcad23bd4c47abb5b796&oe=554A9CCD&__gda__=1430947495_f1aa5017440a8e371ff38459169162b 9

I thought u don't like Turanids :p

[Casandrinos]

lol, zarzian took a selfie with her xD

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10579984_803681546320184_5146463128888909896_n.jpg ?oh=24e22061fa93fcad23bd4c47abb5b796&oe=554A9CCD&__gda__=1430947495_f1aa5017440a8e371ff38459169162b 9

Very unattractive face

Looks like a lizard or a pokemon of some sort

Now i know why True Ancestor wants to be European so badly.

[Ryujin]

Very unattractive face

Looks like a lizard or a pokemon of some sort

Now i know why True Ancestor wants to be European so badly.

orospu çocuğu sülaleni sikeyim senin ananı bacaklarından ayırıp götten muamele yapayım gavatın oğlu seni

[gültekin]

Very unattractive face

Looks like a lizard or a pokemon of some sort

Now i know why True Ancestor wants to be European so badly.
siktir malaka siktir

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfGNNYcqddU

[Böri]

Anatolians all sent to Greece by Atatürk in 1920s. Armenians sent to Lebanon by Young Turks in 1910s. This is where Anatolians are Turks not Anatolians.

[Casandrinos]

She is not even typical Turkish so why you get mad mals?

It's not like i insulted the average Turkish woman.

But i'm not gonna call attractive someone that looks like a Pokemon in evolving process

Post some hot Armenian/Kurdish looking girls now.

[Ryujin]

She is not even typical Turkish so why you get mad mals?

It's not like i insulted the average Turkish woman.

But i'm not gonna call attractive someone that looks like a Pokemon in evolving process

Post some hot Armenian/Kurdish looking girls now.

http://inciswf.com/1293984812.swf

[Ryujin]

lol, zarzian took a selfie with her xD

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10579984_803681546320184_5146463128888909896_n.jpg ?oh=24e22061fa93fcad23bd4c47abb5b796&oe=554A9CCD&__gda__=1430947495_f1aa5017440a8e371ff38459169162b 9

I thought u don't like Turanids :p

That pic gets on my nerves, who the hell is that guy?

[Hadouken]

She is not even typical Turkish so why you get mad mals?

It's not like i insulted the average Turkish woman.

But i'm not gonna call attractive someone that looks like a Pokemon in evolving process

Post some hot Armenian/Kurdish looking girls now.

Turanid girls often look very pretty

how about this girl for example ? she is one of the prettiest girs I have ever seen tbh.

http://www.tvnediyor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Repost-@armaganbpinarphotographer-%E3%83%BB%E3%83%BB%E3%83%BB-Model-Gokce-Markal-BuTarzBenim-2.sezon-yarismaci.jpg
http://i.hizliresim.com/7VWmJv.jpg
http://i.hizliresim.com/oYqQ52.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8Y1yHQryeBk/VHuf8uUgtkI/AAAAAAAAKsc/GexcCbsK3rs/s300/bu-tarz-benim-g%25C3%25B6k%25C3%25A7e-markal-kimdir.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

That pic gets on my nerves, who the hell is that guy?
Like I said, it's zarzian :rolleyes:

[Ryujin]

Like I said, it's zarzian :rolleyes:

Looks like I will have to arrange a private talk with him. :flame

[Ryujin]

Ilhan Cavcav baba

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10365911_805271032827902_8811370926998987406_n.jpg ?oh=cfb2398805dbab2f6ae0fc209ca51659&oe=555683AE&__gda__=1431002776_10771bddcb2a1282f1ad012913b2c09 c

[Casandrinos]

Turanid girls often look very pretty

how about this girl for example ? she is one of the prettiest girs I have ever seen tbh.

http://www.tvnediyor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Repost-@armaganbpinarphotographer-%E3%83%BB%E3%83%BB%E3%83%BB-Model-Gokce-Markal-BuTarzBenim-2.sezon-yarismaci.jpg
http://i.hizliresim.com/7VWmJv.jpg
http://i.hizliresim.com/oYqQ52.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8Y1yHQryeBk/VHuf8uUgtkI/AAAAAAAAKsc/GexcCbsK3rs/s300/bu-tarz-benim-g%25C3%25B6k%25C3%25A7e-markal-kimdir.jpg

Better than the OP but still not that attractive.

Her ears are ready to start flapping btw.

[Danishmend]

There is no Anatolians here. We sent them to Greece, they are 30% of population there.
Although rarely used "Anatolian" is a geographical term to describe people from Anatolia regardless of their ethnicities, just like the term "Azerbaijani" (there are Turks, Tats, Lezgins etc in Azerbaijan but they are all Azerbaijani) and it shouldn't be confused with ancient Anatolian Indo-European speakers who were not even "Greek"(Hittites, Phrygians etc).

[Hadouken]

Better than the OP but still not that attractive.

Her ears are ready to start flapping btw.

yeah right ...:D

she is obviously very pretty

[Ryujin]

yeah right ...:D

she is obviously very pretty

Casandrinos will never get a girl ugly or not.

[Casandrinos]

Magnetic she is nothing special bro i'm sure there are better Turkish girls out there.



Casandrinos will never get a girl ugly or not.

i know you want me completely for you

[Borna]

yeah right ...:D

she is obviously very pretty

You have very low standards when it comes to females. Might explain why immigrants are dating ugliest European girls.

[Casandrinos]

Ilhan Cavcav baba

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10365911_805271032827902_8811370926998987406_n.jpg ?oh=cfb2398805dbab2f6ae0fc209ca51659&oe=555683AE&__gda__=1431002776_10771bddcb2a1282f1ad012913b2c09 c

is she part Gypsy?

[Ryujin]

is she part Gypsy?

Definitely not compared to your mom

[Hadouken]

You have very low standards when it comes to females. Might explain why immigrants are dating ugliest European girls.

lol if you think that you are better looking than her (relatively as a male) ...

my standards are fine ...I have seen the females who you post and who you find attractive and they looked plain , boring and mostly unattractive to me ...tastes differ so I never said anything but you dont know what you are talking about

you are someone immigrants beat up btw. ...you have the typical face of kids who get their money ripped and get a slap in the face (one of the reasons why I never get in debates with you even though you mostly write rubbish here ...I dont take you serious du lutscher)

[Borna]

lol if you think that you are better looking than her (relatively as a male) ...

LOL. Extraordinary comparison.




my standards are fine ...I have seen the females who you post and who you find attractive and they looked plain , boring and mostly unattractive to me

Second part of your posts perfectly depicts how first statement is not true. You have very low and obscure standards about female beauty.


...tastes differ so I never said anything but you dont know what you are talking about

There is only good and bad taste. You have to deal with it.


you are someone immigrants beat up btw. ...you have the typical face of kids who get their money ripped and get a slap in the face (one of the reasons why I never get in debates with you even though you mostly write rubbish here ...I dont take you serious du lutscher)

Oh yeah. You are laughable, so are your statements. I never wanted to debate with you in the first place,Sie hässlichen Affen.

[StonyArabia]

I dont know why all the hater comments ?

I find Turanid to be a really interesting and good looking phenotype

Because they are assholes.

[Casandrinos]

Definitely not compared to your mom

AT LEAST MY MOM IS NOT AN ARMENIAN TURANID WANNABE.....

[Ryujin]

Because they are assholes.

Hey dude... Do you think I stand a chance against her? should I go for it? :cool:

[StonyArabia]

Hey dude... Do you think I stand a chance against her? should I go for it? :cool:

Confidence you can win any hand so yeah why not.

[Casandrinos]

Hey dude... Do you think I stand a chance against her? should I go for it? :cool:

I KNEW YOU HAD A POKEMON FETISH

WHAT TYPE OF POKEBALL ARE YOU GONNA USE TO CATCH HER?

[Ryujin]

I KNEW YOU HAD A POKEMON FETISH

WHAT TYPE OF POKEBALL ARE YOU GONNA USE TO CATCH HER?

Probably the one that keeps your mom in it.

[Kiyant]

Well this Thread turned to shit rather quickly......
Also im back you goyim

[Proto-Shaman]

let's try a new thread: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?158475-classify-a-Turkish-girl-(volleyballer)

[Pausanias]

Proto-Turks/first Turks were mixed Eurasians, you can't find a Turkic population without Caucasoid admixture, even those residing in Siberia have it to some extent.

That's not true dude. The original turks were mongolic nomads. Like the original gypsies from India, they mixed their race with Eurasian and people until white people, mainly greek, slav and albanian people.

It's pretty hard to find a gypsy without European or Eurasian admixture too, but there are.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries

http://www.turktoresi.com/images/BasResimler/Dna/haplo_i_harita.png


The turkish volleyball player girl, is clearly mongolid-origin / true turkic.

Here is an example of a mongolian girl:

http://media.caak.mn/downloads/images14/mongolian-girls99.jpg

[Kiyant]

That's not true dude. The original turks were mongolic nomads. Like the original gypsies from India, they were mixing their race with Eurasian and then caucasoid people until Greek, slav and albanian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries

http://www.turktoresi.com/images/BasResimler/Dna/haplo_i_harita.png

Not really confirmed because even the most eastward Turkics have Caucasian admix.

[Casandrinos]

Probably the one that keeps your mom in it.

Join

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?158457-BALKANITE-TROLLS-VOICE-RECORDINGS/page6

[Proto-Shaman]

That's not true dude. The original turks were mongolic nomads. Like the original gypsies from India, they mixed their race with Eurasian and people until white people, mainly greek, slav and albanian people.

It's pretty hard to find a gypsy without European or Eurasian admixture too, but there are.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries

http://www.turktoresi.com/images/BasResimler/Dna/haplo_i_harita.png


The turkish volleyball player girl, is clearly mongolid-origin / true turkic.

Here is an example of a mongolian girl:

http://media.caak.mn/downloads/images14/mongolian-girls99.jpg

since Turkics speak a Mongolic language?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=54713&d=1422910045

[Ryujin]

Here is an example of a mongolian girl:

http://media.caak.mn/downloads/images14/mongolian-girls99.jpg

Cutie.

[zarzian]

Not really confirmed because even the most eastward Turkics have Caucasian admix.

That's because us Iranics ventured very East to Siberia and gave you Caucasoid genes.

[Alphawolf]

That's because us Iranics ventured very East to Siberia and gave you Caucasoid genes.

This is not scientifically justified. And why have Iranian peoples in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran a dark phenotype, while Turkic peoples are mostly light-skinned? A biological-evolutionary process should be excluded for this short period.

[zarzian]

This is not scientifically justified. And why have Iranian peoples in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran a dark phenotype, while Turkic peoples are mostly light-skinned? A biological-evolutionary process should be excluded for this short period.

Northern Iranics are very lightly pigmented while southern Iranics are Darker, due to sun exposure. Pakistanis are not Iranics, they are majority South Asian with Iranic admixture. You have the same pigmentation gradient in Turkey as you have in Iran. While the true Turks in Central Asia are majority light skinned because of higher latitude of their habitat. Pigmentation is not a correct way to judge genetic input.

[Proto-Shaman]

That's because us Iranics ventured very East to Siberia and gave you Caucasoid genes.

Northern Iranics are very lightly pigmented while southern Iranics are Darker, due to sun exposure. Pakistanis are not Iranics, they are majority South Asian with Iranic admixture. You have the same pigmentation gradient in Turkey as you have in Iran. While the true Turks in Central Asia are majority light skinned because of higher latitude of their habitat. Pigmentation is not a correct way to judge genetic input.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26280&d=1359554550

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009Fig3.gif
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009Fig2.gif

Table 4 Results of the search against Y-STR databases:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=54714&d=1422912750

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19449030

After all the propaganda hoopla in the preamble, not a single Iranian, whose language these poor Siberian people were supposed to speak in their kitchens, got a place at the table. Not for nothing the Scytho-Iranian theory was lately reduced to a status of "solely linguistic concept". What a way to deprecate a whole discipline. Provided that the science differs from the beliefs by being predictive, and being able to withstand reality check, the whole Indo-European industry is turning out to be a collection of beliefs. If the spread of R1a1 is correctly timed at 15-10 KYBP, it happened 7-3 millennia before the birth time of the most radical estimate for the IE linguistic family, meaning that whoever brought their genes to a new territory could not have been carrying the yet unborn IE pra-language. Which does not predict a coming demise for the IE mill, though: all the world's beliefs are still alive and kicking well into the third millennia.

[Pennywise]

That's because us Iranics ventured very East to Siberia and gave you Caucasoid genes.

europid migration to asia first happened at late neotlithic period, before the indo-iranian migration. the first (probably light skinned) indo-iranians mixed with local dravidians from south asia, even before the mixed with turkics. you can't claim such non-sense thing.

[Pausanias]

since Turkics speak a Mongolic language?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=54713&d=1422910045

Must I learn you about your origins?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turco-Mongol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Turkish_people

According to another archeological and genetic study in 2010, the paternal Y-chromosome R1a, which is considered as an Indo-European marker, was found in three skeletons in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Asia, which would support Kurgan expansion hypothesis for the Indo-European expansion from the Volga steppe region,[13] even though, genealogical DNA analysis indicates a migration of R1a peoples eastward from Europe to the Russian Plain between 4800 and 4600 years before present, a direction opposite to that suggested by the Kurgan theory. As the R1a was found in Xiongnu people[14] and the present-day people of Central Asia[15] Analysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, ethnically distinct from neighboring populations in present-day Mongolia


Overall, modern Turks are most related to neighbouring West Asian populations. A study looking into allele frequencies suggested that there was a genetic relationship between contemporary Mongols and Turks, despite their linguistic and cultural relationship.[18] In addition, another study looking into HLA genes allele distributions indicated that Anatolians did not significantly differ from other Mediterranean populations.[10] Multiple studies suggested an elite dominance-driven linguistic replacement model to explain the adoption of Turkish language by Anatolian indigenous inhabitants.

[Proto-Shaman]

Must I learn you about your origins?
Not by a Greek. And especially not by a psychopath who thinks Turkics speak Mongolic.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turco-Mongol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Turkish_people

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=54715&d=1422916577

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turko-Persian_tradition

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Genetics_neigbour-joining-tree-of-population.png


According to another archeological and genetic study in 2010, the paternal Y-chromosome R1a, which is considered as an Indo-European marker, was found in three skeletons in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Asia, which would support Kurgan expansion hypothesis for the Indo-European expansion from the Volga steppe region,[13] even though, genealogical DNA analysis indicates a migration of R1a peoples eastward from Europe to the Russian Plain between 4800 and 4600 years before present, a direction opposite to that suggested by the Kurgan theory. As the R1a was found in Xiongnu people[14] and the present-day people of Central Asia[15] Analysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, ethnically distinct from neighboring populations in present-day Mongolia

Overall, modern Turks are most related to neighbouring West Asian populations. A study looking into allele frequencies suggested that there was a genetic relationship between contemporary Mongols and Turks, despite their linguistic and cultural relationship.[18] In addition, another study looking into HLA genes allele distributions indicated that Anatolians did not significantly differ from other Mediterranean populations.[10] Multiple studies suggested an elite dominance-driven linguistic replacement model to explain the adoption of Turkish language by Anatolian indigenous inhabitants.
shit happens... :picard2:

“While we still cannot answer with certainty the question of the ethnic identity, the reconstruction of the process of its breakup inevitably leads to the inference that the original Xiongnu federation had a major Europoid component.”

Sanping Chen: "Multicultural China in the Early Middle Ages." University of Pennsylvania Press, 2012. p.94. (http://books.google.com/books?id=ugbWH-5OjegC)

“Paleonthropological studies of skulls taken from Hun graves seem to point to substantial Europoid as well as Mongoloid strains in the Hun racial makeup.(31) And the Hsiung-nu near China were not exclusively Europoid. While documentary, archaeological, and paleoanthropological evidence does seem to point to a predominantly Europoid gene pool among the Hsiung-nu, a very significant Mongoloid component existed among them as well.”

David B. Honey, David Curtis Wright. Altaic Affinities: Proceedings of the 40th Meeting of the International Altaistic Conference (PIAC), Provo, Utah (1997). Indiana University Research Institute for Inner Asian Studies, 2001. p. 75. (http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=QW1kAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=substantial+Europoid)

“In Central Asia Europoid, Mongoloid and mixed racial types coexisted during the Bronze Age and the Hun-Sarmat period. The Huns, the most ancient of possible ancestors of the Turks, were not homogenous as they included all the above components.”

N.M. Durham, C.C. Plato. "Trends in Dermatoglyphic Research". Springer Science & Business Media, 1990. p. 244. (http://books.google.com/books?id=1BkDQz4FXbYC)

“As archaeologist, O. Maenchen- Helfen found the Hunni different from the Hiung-nu in China.52 He, however, as a result of the analysis of Soviet archaeological reports, recognised the mainly Europoid physique of the Hiung-nu. From some Chinese evidence it seems that the Hiung-nu had long yellow beards, …”

Harold Walter Bailey. "Khotanese Texts, Volume 7", Cambridge University Press, 1985. p. 25.
(http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=OOK-fBNwZ7kC)
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broad-headed Mesolithic Caucasians with an Mongoloid admixture (http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/Chikisheva/ChikishevaTASSiberianMesolithEn.htm)

P.S. please don't forget to share your feelings with us after being confronted with science.

[Pennywise]

Must I learn you about your origins?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turco-Mongol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Turkish_people

According to another archeological and genetic study in 2010, the paternal Y-chromosome R1a, which is considered as an Indo-European marker, was found in three skeletons in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Asia, which would support Kurgan expansion hypothesis for the Indo-European expansion from the Volga steppe region,[13] even though, genealogical DNA analysis indicates a migration of R1a peoples eastward from Europe to the Russian Plain between 4800 and 4600 years before present, a direction opposite to that suggested by the Kurgan theory. As the R1a was found in Xiongnu people[14] and the present-day people of Central Asia[15] Analysis of skeletal remains from sites attributed to the Xiongnu provides an identification of dolichocephalic Mongoloid, ethnically distinct from neighboring populations in present-day Mongolia


Overall, modern Turks are most related to neighbouring West Asian populations. A study looking into allele frequencies suggested that there was a genetic relationship between contemporary Mongols and Turks, despite their linguistic and cultural relationship.[18] In addition, another study looking into HLA genes allele distributions indicated that Anatolians did not significantly differ from other Mediterranean populations.[10] Multiple studies suggested an elite dominance-driven linguistic replacement model to explain the adoption of Turkish language by Anatolian indigenous inhabitants.

:picard2:

you don't even know what you're saying.

[Proto-Shaman]

:picard2:

you don't even know what you're saying.
Turks are Mongols. And Australian Aborigines are Tungusic... for sure ;)

[Pausanias]

:picard2:

you don't even know what you're saying.

I don't say anything, it's copy&paste from Wikipedia dude :D

[Pennywise]

Turks are Mongols. And Australian Aborigines are Tungusic... for sure ;)

internet is full up with these ignorant maniacs.

[Pausanias]

Turks are Mongols. And Australian Aborigines are Tungusic... for sure ;)

Turks are not mongols actually, but a mixture of races. Originally they were nomad mongols. The girl of the post is a clear example of how were the first Turks.

[Pausanias]

internet is full up with these ignorant maniacs.

I'm not any maniac, I don't give a shit for what turks are or were. I just say my opinion.

[Pennywise]

I don't say anything, it's copy&paste from Wikipedia dude :D

your quotations were irrelevant and wrong.


I'm not any maniac, I don't give a shit for what turks are or were. I just say my opinion.

you can't give a subjective opinion for such objective subjects.

[Proto-Shaman]

Turks are not mongols actually, but a mixture of races. Originally they were nomad mongols. The girl of the post is a clear example of how were the first Turks.
You're making progress. You are on the right track my friend... keep up your investigation!

[Pausanias]

You're making progress. You are on the right track my friend... keep up your investigation!

I'm saying the same thing since my first post here, but maybe you didn't understand me.

[Proto-Shaman]

I'm saying the same thing since my first post here, but maybe you didn't understand me.
Don't worry, I understand every single word.

[Alphawolf]

Turks are not mongols actually, but a mixture of races. Originally they were nomad mongols. The girl of the post is a clear example of how were the first Turks.

There is no single scientific evidence, that the Proto-Turks were Mongoloid.

[Iloko]

Looks like some Indonesians.

[zarzian]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26280&d=1359554550

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009Fig3.gif
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009Fig2.gif

Table 4 Results of the search against Y-STR databases:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=54714&d=1422912750

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19449030

After all the propaganda hoopla in the preamble, not a single Iranian, whose language these poor Siberian people were supposed to speak in their kitchens, got a place at the table. Not for nothing the Scytho-Iranian theory was lately reduced to a status of "solely linguistic concept". What a way to deprecate a whole discipline. Provided that the science differs from the beliefs by being predictive, and being able to withstand reality check, the whole Indo-European industry is turning out to be a collection of beliefs. If the spread of R1a1 is correctly timed at 15-10 KYBP, it happened 7-3 millennia before the birth time of the most radical estimate for the IE linguistic family, meaning that whoever brought their genes to a new territory could not have been carrying the yet unborn IE pra-language. Which does not predict a coming demise for the IE mill, though: all the world's beliefs are still alive and kicking well into the third millennia.

You are in love with that map, which doesnt relate to what we are discussing, and your copy paste from pan-Turan websites is your only talent. Look at who Z93 stands for here. http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014285a.html

[Proto-Shaman]

You are in love with that map, which doesnt relate to what we are discussing, and your copy paste from pan-Turan websites is your only talent. Look at who Z93 stands for here. http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2014285a.html
You said Iranics ventured very East to Siberia and gave us Caucasoid genes? Where are those Iranian (aka wanna be Scythian) genetic traces? Simply nowhere. Get with it, or should we get into aDNA again? ;)

[zarzian]

You said Iranics ventured very East to Siberia and gave us Caucasoid genes? Where are those Iranian (aka wanna be Scythian) genetic traces? Simply nowhere. Get with it, or should we get into aDNA again? ;)


Wannabe Scythians? Are you retarded? Scythians were Iranian, period.

[Proto-Shaman]

Wannabe Scythians? Are you retarded? Scythians were Iranian, period.
Of course they were, mr. "Turks-are-Iranoid" xD