LOL 50% Finns + 50% Asian = more Asian than your average Eurasians halfbreed

[ButlerKing]

How ironic that the blondest European populations known as Finns produces children with more Mongoloid tendencies. No surprise though there is a total of 3-15% Mongoloid genes depending on this Finnish individuals due to 35-65% haplogroup N1c.

The Eurasian line is 50/50 yet a half Asian half Finns produces offspring who are 55% Asian and 45% White.



http://i59.tinypic.com/29gh3y1.jpg

Another who claim a friend to be 1/4 Korean + 1/4 German from her father with a Finnish mother ended up having 31.6% Asian genes in the autosomal DNA when it should be only 25%


http://i61.tinypic.com/2dhtbh5.jpg

[ButlerKing]

To those Asians who want to marry whites.

If you want your children to be accepted or have a great chance of coming out white. Than do not marry Finns or Turks

Because the only thing you will only end up is a Eurasian with more Asian features.

[Dombra]

Your point being...?

[ButlerKing]

Your point being...?


They make offspring

A guy on a thread have even asked why half finns/half asian children end up look more Asian.


Half Finns half Asian

http://www.intermix.org.uk/images/all/gallery/nibai_02.jpg

[ButlerKing]

LOL the high east Asian DNA in Finns, Turks is no fluke. And this is proven in countless autosomal DNA aswell as individual who are half Finns and Turks always ending have a Mongoloid bias in their autosomal DNA.

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

[Dombra]

They make offspring

A guy on a thread have even asked why half finns/half asian children end up look more


Half Finns half Asian

http://www.intermix.org.uk/images/all/gallery/nibai_02.jpg

About your examples,: You can actually see their Finnish side. Other Euro/Asian mixes look bland with some altered features. Finns do not race mix but when they do their genes are visible. The Siberian does not add up to the mixed offspring´s east Asian side as it already morphed into the preexisting Finnish look

[Arhat]

LOL the high east Asian DNA in Finns, Turks is no fluke. And this is proven in countless autosomal DNA aswell as individual who are half Finns and Turks always ending have a Mongoloid bias in their autosomal DNA.

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

please look at the map you posted. Finns have 5%-10% east asian/siberian admixture but in most cases this is just not visible and they just look like other scandinavians.

Half-europeans half-east asians look always more asian even when their european side has no east asian admixture

[ButlerKing]

About your examples,: You can actually see their Finnish side. Other Euro/Asian mixes look bland with some altered features. Finns do not race mix but when they do their genes are visible. The Siberian does not add up to the mixed offspring´s east Asian side as it already morphed into the preexisting Finnish look

They still more east Asian on average compared to other European ethnicities

http://oi41.tinypic.com/nldk0i.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UNCGNmOHLsE/hqdefault.jpg

[ButlerKing]

please look at the map you posted. Finns have 5%-10% east asian/siberian admixture but in most cases this is just not visible and they just look like other scandinavians.

Half-europeans half-east asians look always more asian even when their european side has no east asian admixture

Well majority of the Finlands population is from west Finland so 5-10% is the correct average but there are also those with 11-13% in east finland

[Dombra]

They still more east Asian on average compared to other European ethnicities

http://oi41.tinypic.com/nldk0i.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UNCGNmOHLsE/hqdefault.jpg

Not really. Show non-cherry-picked examples to prove your point. Examples of other mixes that is

[Harkonnen]

About your examples,: You can actually see their Finnish side. Other Euro/Asian mixes look bland with some altered features. Finns do not race mix but when they do their genes are visible. The Siberian does not add up to the mixed offspring´s east Asian side as it already morphed into the preexisting Finnish look

Dombra, can you please stay out of these threads. You are not Finnish. You are unable form a coherent argument, perhaps because of your mongrel heritage (just a joke. don't take too seriously)

Obviously there are lot of people with complexes. But it is not our problem.

[ButlerKing]

Not really. Show non-cherry-picked examples to prove your point. Examples of other mixes that is

Okay than, show me half Finns half Asian breeds that look more white.

I can show you plenty of half white ( non-finns) half Asian who look predominately European.

[Dombra]

Dombra, can you please stay out of these threads. You are not Finnish. You are unable form a coherent argument, perhaps because of your mongrel heritage (just a joke. don't take too seriously)

Obviously there are lot of people with complexes. But it is not our problem.

If I am not Finnish then what am I? :confused: How did I become so chinky then :icon_ask:

[Harkonnen]

If I am not Finnish then what am I? :confused: How did I become so chinky then :icon_ask:

You are mixed person, who lives in Sweden. You have no idea of Finns. You don't even sound like Finns. So please stop talking on behalf of Finns.

[Dombra]

You are mixed person, who lives in Sweden. You have no idea of Finns. You don't even sound like Finns. So please stop talking on behalf of Finns.

:confused:

What about muh heritage and right to discuss it?

[Dandelion]

Some ethnic pure Finns even fit in Japan.

http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/marutei-tsurunen-a-japanese-politician-who-was-born-in-finland/

He's the first person of European descent who's a member of the Diet. His name can even be spelled in kanji, despite not having adopted a Japanese name though it's more commonly spelled in kana.

Coincidence that he's a Finn?

[ButlerKing]

Some ethnic pure Finns even fit in Japan.

http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/marutei-tsurunen-a-japanese-politician-who-was-born-in-finland/

He's the first person of European descent who's a member of the Diet. His name can even be spelled in kanji, despite not having adopted a Japanese name.

Ummmm..... no they don't. Maybe half Japanese looking.

I believe there are Finns who can come out looking completely Asian. In Southern United states for examples, there are several cases of 2 white couples ended up having a mulatto black child instead of pure white child, and this is due to their ancestral black slaves hidden in their DNA code.

So I believe there is several of asiatic throwbacks in finland. Some Finns look to Asiatic not to have anything to do with Asiatics.

[Dandelion]

there are several cases of 2 white couples ended up having a mulatto black child instead of pure white child, and this is due to their ancestral black slaves hidden in their DNA code.


Or due to the UPS man being an African American.

[lyllo]

I guess East Asian genes are pretty STRONG, because they are not much Mongoloid and some look like central Asians

[Antimage]

are finns even human?

[lyllo]

East Asian genes are as strong as African I think

this guy should not be more than 10% Mongoloid and look like this

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2016/324x324/69658.jpg

this Canadian actress is between 1/8 - 1/16 Chinese

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/stargate/images/1/1a/KFindlay.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110425002229

[alfieb]

are finns even human?

Yes, but Saami are not.

[Harkonnen]

Do I once again need to remind everyone of their negroid genes?

[lyllo]

The interesting is that some South Americans like Argentines that score 90% European and 10% Amerindian look completely European, and all their Euro ancestry is Italian and Spanish.

[ButlerKing]

The nenets are 61% to 90% East Asian in DNA and 10-39% European.

Interestingly enough they also have much green eyes, blonde hair popping up in the even a few with red hair

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3117/3162537109_8ec88788d4_m.jpg
http://www.arcticphoto.co.uk/Pix/RW/04/RWS0126-30_P.JPG

[Antimage]

The interesting is that some South Americans like Argentines that score 90% European and 10% Amerindian look completely European, and all their Euro ancestry is Italian and Spanish.

because amerindian genes are weaker than asian.

[Antimage]

The nenets are 61% to 90% East Asian in DNA and 10-39% European.

Interestingly enough they also have much green eyes, blonde hair popping up in them even a few with red hair


who cares?

[Harkonnen]

The interesting is that some South Americans like Argentines that score 90% European and 10% Amerindian look completely European, and all their Euro ancestry is Italian and Spanish.

There is not a single South American who passes as a Finn.

There is not a single Spaniard who passes as a Finn.

[Kamal900]

They make offspring

A guy on a thread have even asked why half finns/half asian children end up look more Asian.


Half Finns half Asian

http://www.intermix.org.uk/images/all/gallery/nibai_02.jpg

Not exactly true because i happen to know two half filipino half levantine and they look more filipino :/

[ButlerKing]

Not exactly true because i happen to know two half filipino half levantine and they look more filipino :/

Filipino mother and Persian father, however some say his father is ethnic Kalash. Others say her mother was mix ( mix race is like 1.5% of Phillipines )

http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/81bebfce72c370dd99756f456a3f9af01339053989_full.jp g

[Böri]

LOL the high east Asian DNA in Finns, Turks is no fluke. And this is proven in countless autosomal DNA aswell as individual who are half Finns and Turks always ending have a Mongoloid bias in their autosomal DNA.

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

Nothing is special for Finns as this is decreasing continuation from Siberia. This is interesting for Turks. We say to people we are result from population replacement they dont believe and they say a group of Chinese come and mix with natives but this isnt true as our fathers were Oghuz who come from Turkmenistan and Turkmens also majority not East Asians. This map good lesson for them as this prove Turkish has biological, racial aspect and this is more like Jewish or Bedouin than Iranian, Greek or American. Much cousin marrying in Turks until some decades ago and this is other proof and reason for this map as we seem distinct from all neighbours.

[lyllo]

There is not a single South American who passes as a Finn.

There is not a single Spaniard who passes as a Finn.

Finns are the only people in Europe that can pass in Central Asia. It's SHOCKING that the guy I posted is probably 92% European but looks half Japanese. Doesnt matter how you look, genetically you are all the same as him. Finns = Castizos of Europe

[Harkonnen]

Finns are the only people in Europe that can pass in Central Asia. It's SHOCKING that the guy I posted is probably 92% European but looks half Japanese. Doesnt matter how you look, genetically you are all the same as him. Finns = Castizos of Europe

Southnernes look much more similar to midget swarthoids of Central Asia, I can assure you this. Central Asian are also stacked with so called farmer genes, so they are also genetically more similar to you.

I wouldn't be talking about castizos with all those nigger genes you have

[Danishmend]

Hi. I'm Danishmend's Korean girlfriend, he is sleeping right now. I need to thank you for creating this thread Butlerking, I've decided to break up with him after reading this thread! Thank you so much!!

[ButlerKing]

Nothing is special for Finns as this is decreasing continuation from Siberia. This is interesting for Turks. We say to people we are result from population replacement they dont believe and they say a group of Chinese come and mix with natives but this isnt true as our fathers were Oghuz who come from Turkmenistan and Turkmens also majority not East Asians. This map good lesson for them as this prove Turkish has biological, racial aspect and this is more like Jewish or Bedouin than Iranian, Greek or American. Much cousin marrying in Turks until some decades ago and this is other proof and reason for this map as we seem distinct from all neighbours.


But the Arabs during Muhammad times ( before the Seljuks Oghuz Turkmen ) invaded described Turks as " small eyes, flat noses, red faces "

While is true most Turkmen look more Caucasian with some Mongoloid , around 2/10 that look straight up half Mongoloid to mostly Mongoloid


A Turkmen is still 2x to 3x more Mongoloid than Turkish

A Turkmen can have a small as 13% Mongoloid DNA to as high as 58% Mongoloid ( but usually maximum 33-45%, those with 50-58% seems to a minority)

A Turkish can have as small as 2.5% to as high as 25% ( but usually 15-18%, those with 20-25% is rare )


Look at these Turkmen kids, definitely way over 50% Mongoloid

http://i42.tinypic.com/984ms7.jpg

[Smaug]

Very good thread!

[Böri]

But the Arabs during Muhammad times ( before the Seljuks Oghuz Turkmen ) invaded described Turks as " small eyes, flat noses, red faces "

While is true most Turkmen look more Caucasian with some Mongoloid , around 2/10 that look straight up half Mongoloid to mostly Mongoloid


A Turkmen is still 2x to 3x more Mongoloid than Turkish

]

This is normal as thousand year separation and mixing marriages + blood corruption in two sides in Central Asia with Mongolians and in Anatolia and Balkan with more Caucasian people, but this map proves definitely our point, this is Turks not identity like Greek or American but identity also has biological aspect. This is interesting but for Finns nothing special as there is clear continuation from Siberia as map shows.

[lyllo]

Southnernes look much more similar to midget swarthoids of Central Asia, I can assure you this. Central Asian are also stacked with so called farmer genes, so they are also genetically more similar to you.

I wouldn't be talking about castizos with all those nigger genes you have

The MOST exotic Spaniards look like non SSA admixed North Africans, the MOST exotic Italians look like Levantines. Both caucasoid. The exotic Finns look like people from Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc like the guy I posted or their even uglier depigmented versions who look like Albino Koreans.

[Harkonnen]

The MOST exotic Spaniards look like non SSA admixed North Africans, the MOST exotic Italians look like Levantines. Both caucasoid. The exotic Finns look like people from Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc like the guy I posted or their even uglier depigmented versions who look like Albino Koreans.

What the fuck is a non SSA admixed North African?

[ButlerKing]

This is normal as thousand year separation and mixing marriages + blood corruption in two sides in Central Asia with Mongolians and in Anatolia and Balkan with more Caucasian people, but this map proves definitely our point, this is Turks not identity like Greek or American but identity also has biological aspect. This is interesting but for Finns nothing special as there is clear continuation from Siberia as map shows.


Why do you guys always claim there is Mongolian influence in Turkmens? the only ones who do have are Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Crimean Tatars, Kazan Tatars, Hazara ect because of evidence of haplogroup C3 and O3

Turkmens have 0% C3 but in Turkmenistan Turkmens have 20% - 31% Q


But Turkmens in Iran and Afghan have 42.6% to 51% Q

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/WorldHaplogroupsMaps/TurkmenY_DNA_Iran.gif
http://i48.tinypic.com/2vx3j8l.jpg

[Danishmend]

because amerindian genes are weaker than asian.

Because Amerindian component is composed of 40% Ancient North Eurasian (Caucasoid) and 60% East Eurasian.

[ButlerKing]

Because Amerindian component is composed of 40% Ancient North Eurasian (Caucasoid) and 60% East Eurasian.

According to whom? there are many Amerindian tribes with 0% Caucasoid admixture and untouched in the isolated jungles

http://signaturebooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/dna2.jpg

[Harkonnen]

Because Amerindian component is composed of 40% Ancient North Eurasian (Caucasoid) and 60% East Eurasian.

ANE was not a caucasoid. It was North European (from European perspective). MENA are a 'caucasoid', yet they have genetically nothing to do with Mal'ta.

[Danishmend]

According to whom? there are many Amerindian tribes with 0% Caucasoid admixture and untouched in the isolated jungles

http://signaturebooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/dna2.jpg

See for yourself. ANE in Amerindians has nothing to do with European colonisation of Americas, it's much more older. They have more ANE than Europeans anyway.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zgol5rF0jWRugwUlsOCeObVZ0opPVxFLjQ_LPIgPcds/edit#gid=1529296502



ANE was not a caucasoid. It was North European. MENA are a 'caucasoid', yet they have genetically nothing to do with Mal'ta.
Do you have any other term to describe its racial traits? It also peaks in Caucasus and South Central Asia (exluding Amerindians).
http://i62.tinypic.com/e66a9j.png

[Böri]

Why do you guys always claim there is Mongolian influence in Turkmens? the only ones who do have are Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Crimean Tatars, Kazan Tatars, Hazara ect because of evidence of haplogroup C3 and O3

Turkmens have 0% C3 but in Turkmenistan Turkmens have 20% - 31% Q
]
Because the most pure Oghuz people are Yörüks, part nomadic even today, from Anatolia, very 'inbred' and dont give daughters to Turks who settled cities or villages. In Central Asia Timurids play a lot with population as they move Turkmens from Uzbekistan to Afghanistan and other. And this Turkmens already with Mongolian influence as Timur also Islamized and Turkized Mongolian from Barlas clan.

[Vanaheimr]

Some ethnic pure Finns even fit in Japan.

http://www.japanprobe.com/2009/10/16/marutei-tsurunen-a-japanese-politician-who-was-born-in-finland/

He's the first person of European descent who's a member of the Diet. His name can even be spelled in kanji, despite not having adopted a Japanese name though it's more commonly spelled in kana.

Coincidence that he's a Finn?

He is weird

http://www.japanprobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/marutei.jpg

[ButlerKing]

See for yourself.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zgol5rF0jWRugwUlsOCeObVZ0opPVxFLjQ_LPIgPcds/edit#gid=1529296502



Your spreadsheet doesn't make sense and have been wrongly edited. It says 59.4% East Asian and 37.9% ANE but it has NOTHING to do with real Amerindian, is properly from those fake Native Americans.

The only Amerindians that shows over 1/3 European DNA is North Amerindian tribes but many of those are already of recent partial ancestry. But now the strange is ANE is found highest in South Asians?

[Harkonnen]

Do you have any other term to describe its racial traits? It also peaks in Caucasus and South Central Asia (exluding Amerindians).
http://i62.tinypic.com/e66a9j.png

but it is still genetically more similar to East Asian, than to 'Basal Eurasians'. For example Siberians are genetically closer to Mal'ta despite Caucasus folk slightly higher (or is it similar?) ANE. Reason being the Caucasus high Basal.

Of course modern racial morphology did not exist back then, so in that sense it is nonsense to speculate it's race.

[Danishmend]

Your spreadsheet doesn't make sense and have been wrongly edited. It says 59.4% East Asian and 37.9% West Eurasian but it has NOTHING to do with real Amerindian, is properly from those fake Native Americans.

Yea whatever my British friend. :D

[ButlerKing]

See for yourself.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zgol5rF0jWRugwUlsOCeObVZ0opPVxFLjQ_LPIgPcds/edit#gid=1529296502


This result is so freaking strange, the highest ANE is found in South Asians Indians? you mean to tell me there was actually a connection between Indian americans and Indians from India?

[Danishmend]

This result is so freaking strange, the highest ANE is found in South Asians Indians? you mean to tell me there was actually a connection between Indian americans and Indians from India?
ANE is an ancient component found all over Eurasia.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit#gid=74932529

[ButlerKing]

See for yourself.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zgol5rF0jWRugwUlsOCeObVZ0opPVxFLjQ_LPIgPcds/edit#gid=1529296502




How come this ANE 2x to 4x higher in Amerindian and South Asians than European if this is supposed to be related with west Eurasians? or maybe is not related with west eurasians.

[Harkonnen]

How come this ANE 2x to 4x higher in Amerindian and South Asians than European if this is supposed to be related with west Eurasians? or maybe is not related with west eurasians.

Overall South Asians are very far from Mal'ta. So this just proves once again what a mongrel race South Asians are.

[Longbowman]

Yea whatever my British friend. :D

NO. Don't attribute Punjabiking's retarded crusades to us. He's very clearly not British.

@BK: you're talking out of your arse: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/edit#gid=0

ANE peaks in Native Americans, it's a distant third component in Western Europeans. If ANE came from Europeans then where's the WHG and ENF?

[ButlerKing]

Overall South Asians are very far from Mal'ta. So this just proves once again what a mongrel race South Asians are.


I don't get this Ma'lta boy thing. Last time it said he was not related with East Asians but was 1/3 Native American, 1/3 West Eurasian, 1/3 South Asian.

Than it said the boys Mongoloid features had been acknowledged

And now this ANE is found higher in Amerindian and South Asians.

But genetic shows South Amerindians are 95-100% Native American with many tribes showing 0% European, Negroid, Caucasian admixture

[Willem]

ANE was probably not Mongoloid in the traditional way, but probably resembled the Ainu.

[Longbowman]

I don't get this Ma'lta boy thing. Last time it said he was not related with East Asians but was 1/3 Native American, 1/3 West Eurasian, 1/3 South Asian.

Than it said the boys Mongoloid features had been acknowledged

And now this ANE is found higher in Amerindian and South Asians.

But genetic shows South Amerindians are 95-100% Native American with many tribes showing 0% European, Negroid, Caucasian admixture

Because Mal'ta a) doesn't have SA admixture and b) predates the main or only immigration wave to the Americas in which ANE formed one of two modal components, the other being EEA. Simple.

[Harkonnen]

I don't get this Ma'lta boy thing. Last time it said he was not related with East Asians but was 1/3 Native American, 1/3 West Eurasian, 1/3 South Asian.

Than it said the boys Mongoloid features had been acknowledged

And now this ANE is found higher in Amerindian and South Asians.

But genetic shows South Amerindians are 95-100% Native American with many tribes showing 0% European, Negroid, Caucasian admixture

Obviously Natives are 100% Native. They have ancestry from Mal'ta, not from any modern population.

Modern genetic poles spread from the past, not from present.

[ButlerKing]

Obviously Natives are 100% Native. They have ancestry from Mal'ta, not from any modern population.

Modern genetic poles spread from the past, not from present.

Was Mal'ta boy Mongoloid, white or mix?

I think only North Americans have ancestry with Malt'a boy although some rejected this claim claiming Malt'a boy was U5 and not X.

Malta boy was R1b but this is only frequent in North America, in South America is low to non-existant

[Longbowman]

Was Mal'ta boy Mongoloid, white or mix?

No.


I think only North Americans have ancestry with Malt'a boy although some rejected this claim claiming Malt'a boy was U5 and not X.

No.


Malta boy was R1b but this is only frequent in North America, in South America is low to non-existant

No.

[Harkonnen]

Was Mal'ta boy Mongoloid, white or mix?

I think only North Americans have ancestry with Malt'a boy although some rejected this claim claiming Malt'a boy was U5 and not X.

Malta boy was R1b but this is only frequent in North America, in South America is low to non-existant

Mal'ta boy belonged to some extinct basal R*

Genetically most similar to WHG. He was not a mongoloid, he was not a white in the modern sense, but defininitely closer to North Europe than to East Asia.

Modern Whites are mixed so to say.

[Longbowman]

Mal'ta boy belonged to some extinct basal R*

Genetically most similar to WHG. He was not a mongoloid, he was not a white in the modern sense, but defininitely closer to North Europe than to East Asia.

Modern Whites are mixed so to say.

ANE is seen by many to be very similar to WHG, a kind of North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer.

[ButlerKing]

Mal'ta boy belonged to some extinct basal R*

Genetically most similar to WHG. He was not a mongoloid, he was not a white in the modern sense, but defininitely closer to North Europe than to East Asia.

Modern Whites are mixed so to say.

So what is this data about him?


From a review article:
Debetz (1946) identified the remains of “nothern Asian Mongoloids” at the site of
Afontova Gora 2; they included a fragment of the frontal bone. Mongoloid features had
been originally acknowledged in the skeletal remains of a child found at the site of
Malta. Alexeev (1998, 323) in his later publication was more cautious, stating that this
area was “inhabited by a population of Mongoloid appearance.”

[Blood C]

ANE is seen by many to be very similar to WHG, a kind of North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer.

WHG is still much much much closer to ENF than to ANE.

ANE from Eurogenes is simply everything non East Asian in Karitiana, so we don't really know if it is real or some composites of other stuff.

[ButlerKing]

No.



No.



No.



What do you mean no no no? Mal'ta was found in a place inhabited by Mongoloid population.


Also his mtDNA Haplogroup is U but Amerindian only have X

http://dienekes.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/paleoamericanodyssey-tweets-on-24000.html

"This suggests that the Mal'ta boy was not ancestral to Native Americans (since Native Americans don't possess Y-haplogroup R and mt-haplogroup U), although obviously is in some way related to them based on the autosomal evidence. It's hard to read between the lines, but I guess a paper in Nature will come out soon enough as it is currently "in press". "


R1b haplogroup is only high in some North America Indian tribes but low in the rest of Amercas.

The dominant haplogroup is Q.

So I don't see how he can become the ancestors of most Amerindians

[Longbowman]

What do you mean no no no? Mal'ta was found in a place inhabited by Mongoloid population.


Also his mtDNA Haplogroup is U but Amerindian only have X

http://dienekes.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/paleoamericanodyssey-tweets-on-24000.html

"This suggests that the Mal'ta boy was not ancestral to Native Americans (since Native Americans don't possess Y-haplogroup R and mt-haplogroup U), although obviously is in some way related to them based on the autosomal evidence. It's hard to read between the lines, but I guess a paper in Nature will come out soon enough as it is currently "in press". "

What do I mean no, no, no? He was neither Mongoloid nor white, and he wasn't necessarily mixed so much as a relict of an earlier basal population, so no.

Your own source proves he wasn't 'only ancestral to North Americans' which is what you wrote, and it's obviously bullshit based on your poor understanding of Native American haplogroups (R is invasive and guess what? It's found in the same proportions you'd expect E, J and I to be found if the R were European, which it is).

And finally, no, he wasn't R1b, and R1b isn't frequent in either of the Americas (well. It wasn't in 1492).

So there you have it. No, no and no.

[ButlerKing]

What do I mean no, no, no? He was neither Mongoloid nor white, and he wasn't necessarily mixed so much as a relict of an earlier basal population, so no.

Your own source proves he wasn't 'only ancestral to North Americans' which is what you wrote, and it's obviously bullshit based on your poor understanding of Native American haplogroups (R is invasive and guess what? It's found in the same proportions you'd expect E, J and I to be found if the R were European, which it is).

And finally, no, he wasn't R1b, and R1b isn't frequent in either of the Americas (well. It wasn't in 1492).

So there you have it. No, no and no.

Ok, maybe he was some exotic being

Well it's no surprised other European haplogroups have been found in natives because they were from recent expansion during the 1600's

Maybe you're right, I don't get it.

[ButlerKing]

What do I mean no, no, no? He was neither Mongoloid nor white, and he wasn't necessarily mixed so much as a relict of an earlier basal population, so no.

Your own source proves he wasn't 'only ancestral to North Americans' which is what you wrote, and it's obviously bullshit based on your poor understanding of Native American haplogroups (R is invasive and guess what? It's found in the same proportions you'd expect E, J and I to be found if the R were European, which it is).

And finally, no, he wasn't R1b, and R1b isn't frequent in either of the Americas (well. It wasn't in 1492).

So there you have it. No, no and no.


However mtDNA X seems to to be ancient American but many claims it's related with the Altain marker of X, no way this is recent


"Although it occurs only at a frequency of about 3% for the total current indigenous population of the Americas, it is a bigger haplogroup in northern North America, where among the Algonquian peoples it comprises up to 25% of mtDNA types.[9][10] It is also present in lesser percentages to the west and south of this area—among the Sioux (15%), the Nuu-Chah-Nulth (11%–13%), the Navajo (7%), and the Yakama (5%).[11]"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Haplogroup_X_%28mtDNA%29.PNG/300px-Haplogroup_X_%28mtDNA%29.PNG

[Longbowman]

However mtDNA X seems to to be ancient American but many claims it's related with the Altain marker of X, no way this is recent


"Although it occurs only at a frequency of about 3% for the total current indigenous population of the Americas, it is a bigger haplogroup in northern North America, where among the Algonquian peoples it comprises up to 25% of mtDNA types.[9][10] It is also present in lesser percentages to the west and south of this area—among the Sioux (15%), the Nuu-Chah-Nulth (11%–13%), the Navajo (7%), and the Yakama (5%).[11]"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Haplogroup_X_%28mtDNA%29.PNG/300px-Haplogroup_X_%28mtDNA%29.PNG

Even if true unless the subclades are the same, which they aren't, it doesn't mean anything. North America may have been populated as recently as 16,000 years ago, their YDNA clades which mutate much faster than mtDNA are all common to Asia (Q, C) so why shouldn't their mtDNA supergroups be the same?

[Leto]

ButlerKing, you're such a weirdo.:picard1: And there is no way you are English.

[Proto-Shaman]

LOL the high east Asian DNA in Finns, Turks is no fluke. And this is proven in countless autosomal DNA aswell as individual who are half Finns and Turks always ending have a Mongoloid bias in their autosomal DNA.

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif
here is another nice map:
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-mtDNA-map.png

[igo112]

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[Cristiano viejo]

Dombra, can you please stay out of these threads. You are not Finnish. You are unable form a coherent argument, perhaps because of your mongrel heritage.
:dielaughing:


If I am not Finnish then what am I? :confused:
Mongolian.

[Harkonnen]

:dielaughing:



He is obviously still smarter than you are.

[Cristiano viejo]

He is obviously still smarter than you are.
Too late :laugh2:

[Proto-Shaman]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=54755&d=1422984185
What characterizes the red color?

[igo112]

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[Böri]

here is another nice map:
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-mtDNA-map.png

This map not very accurate. Aegean Turks like Aydın show strong features with Turanid but Kurds dont. Same in Europe Serbians dont show but a bit with Bulgarians faces also strong with Finnish people and some Russians. Map shared by OP more accurate I think this is my personal experience.

[Dandelion]

Another parallel Finns have with Asians. They are good at math. I was about to send some statistics, but Belgium scored better than Finland according to one test in 2013 (http://www.businessinsider.com/pisa-rankings-2013-12?IR=T). I guess that prejudice has to be revised in Finland being smartasses.

P.S.: We even beat Finland at suicide rates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate). :(

[gültekin]

of course east asian component is rare in Turkey, because the very very few supermen original Turks frome Japan jumped over Central Asia and Turkiefied any one whom they catched

[Insuperable]

No.



No.



No.

He is a butthurt boy making things up. Lying.

[Proto-Shaman]

But now the strange is ANE is found highest in South Asians?
No, the highest ANE is actually found in the Native American tribe Karitiâna from Brazil.

[ButlerKing]

here is another nice map:
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-mtDNA-map.png

1 - 2.5% East Eurasian mtDNA is not enough make someone 3-15% Mongoloid


The Tibetans for example shows 2.5%-15% western Eurasian mtDNA including 0.5% to 20% South Asian mtDNA but are 90-100% Mongoloid.


http://i61.tinypic.com/oisnjk.jpg

[ButlerKing]

He is a butthurt boy making things up. Lying.

Solin = butthurt

[FeederOfRavens]

How ironic that the blondest European populations known as Finns produces children with more Mongoloid tendencies. No surprise though there is a total of 3-15% Mongoloid genes depending on this Finnish individuals due to 65% haplogroup N1c.

If the Finns supposed Mongoloidness comes from having 65% of their patrilineal lineages as Haplogroup N1c1 then why do Lithuanians who score 42% N1c1 have virtually no East Eurasian mix?

[ButlerKing]

If the Finns supposed Mongoloidness comes from having 65% of their patrilineal lineages as Haplogroup N1c1 then why do Lithuanians who score 42% N1c1 have virtually no East Eurasian mix?

According to whom? they have 0.7% Mongoloid and don't exaggerate the 42% number, most of the studies shows only 33% and with one even 27%.

Besides that Lithuianians N1 would have come from from Finnic tribes and Slavs admixture.

So a mixture of slav and Finland will only wipe out almost all traces of mongoloid dna

[leisitox]

If the Finns supposed Mongoloidness comes from having 65% of their patrilineal lineages as Haplogroup N1c1 then why do Lithuanians who score 42% N1c1 have virtually no East Eurasian mix?
They are bugged dude

[ButlerKing]

They are bugged dude

Ngannasan 97% haplogroup N1c and 100% Siberian Mongoloid.

Lithuanians 27% to 42% N1 have 0.7% mongoloid DNA

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Admixtures-Lazaridis.png

[FeederOfRavens]

According to whom? they have 0.7% Mongoloid and don't exaggerate the 42% number, most of the studies shows only 33% and with one even 27%.

They have less than 0.5% EA according to the map that you posted:http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

[FeederOfRavens]

Ngannasan 97% haplogroup N1c and 100% Siberian Mongoloid.

Lithuanians 27% to 42% N1 have 0.7% mongoloid DNA


Finns have 65% N1c1 and only 3-15% Siberian. Don't you see the disparity?

[ButlerKing]

They have less than 0.5% EA according to the map that you posted:http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

Edit: I see that you have removed this map from your OP you sneaky bastard.


What map?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Oa3bBts6e3M/Ur6VH_81tpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/JGoPs1UmWyA/s1600/Lazaridis2014_EDF3_K6.png

[FeederOfRavens]

What map?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Oa3bBts6e3M/Ur6VH_81tpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/JGoPs1UmWyA/s1600/Lazaridis2014_EDF3_K6.png

This one:



LOL the high east Asian DNA in Finns, Turks is no fluke. And this is proven in countless autosomal DNA aswell as individual who are half Finns and Turks always ending have a Mongoloid bias in their autosomal DNA.

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

[ButlerKing]

Pure N1c mongoloid man marries white women

1 generation 50%
2 generation 25%
3 generation 12.5%
4 generation 6.12%
5 generation 3.1%
6 generation 1.6%
7 generation 0.8%
8 generation 0.4%


Assuming N1c is Lithiunians were spread by 40% N1c like Estonians who have 1.5% East Asian DNA and mixed with Slavs and created Lithuinian people than 0.4% to 0.7% east Asian DNA in Lithuianian shouldn't be any surprise

[ButlerKing]

This one:

I didn't remove shit.

[ButlerKing]

There is two study for Nganasan

1 study 97% N1c and 3% C3 and mtDNA 100% Mongoloid and autosomal DNA is 100% Mongoloid

Another study shows them with 90% N1c but with 28.5% Caucasian mtDNA but still 98% Mongoloid!!!!!!!!!

[AverageKorhonen]

:thumb001:

[AverageKorhonen]

The interesting is that some South Americans like Argentines that score 90% European and 10% Amerindian look completely European, and all their Euro ancestry is Italian and Spanish.

Really interesting.

[FeederOfRavens]

Anyways ButlerKing the Finnish User Hweinlant(According to him a typical Finn for his region) scores 100% Euro on 23andme. I'm sure he could show you tons of finns who score high Euro as finns are a North European people. What's the point of posting these random, unverifiable comments from random, unverifiable people?

Hweinlant's very own 23andme composition:


These a results for Finnish guy (= my very own 23andme ancestry composition).

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ivfv42.png


Why do people love to troll Finns on this forum? It's been getting a lot worse lately to. Finns could easily bite back and attack other nations extra-european ancestry but they don't(Except Valtaves).

[AverageKorhonen]

because amerindian genes are weaker than asian.

??????????? Could you elaborate ?

[FeederOfRavens]

Anyways ButlerKing the Finnish User Hweinlant(According to him a typical Finn for his region) scores 100% Euro on 23andme. What's the point of posting these random, unverifiable comments?

Hweinlant's very own 23andme composition:

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[ButlerKing]

Anyways ButlerKing the Finnish User Hweinlant(According to him a typical Finn for his region) scores 100% Euro on 23andme. What's the point of posting these random, unverifiable comments?

Hweinlant's very own 23andme composition:

Umm.. did I say all Finland people were Mongoloid admixed?

You can show 1 or 2 Finns with no Mongoloid admixture and I can show you hundreds of studies with every Finns have Mongoloid admixture.


Can you explain why east Finland with 65% N1c have 2x higher Mongoloid admixture than west Finland with only 35% N1c?

Because west Finland have 40% I with one province reaching up to 56% in addition with higher percentages of R1a, R1b
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~villandra/McKinstry/I2b1/haplogroupI1.gif

[Harkonnen]

Anyways ButlerKing the Finnish User Hweinlant(According to him a typical Finn for his region) scores 100% Euro on 23andme. I'm sure he could show you tons of finns who score high Euro as finns are a North European people. What's the point of posting these random, unverifiable comments from random, unverifiable people?

Hweinlant's very own 23andme composition:




Why do people love to troll Finns on this forum? It's been getting a lot worse lately to. Finns could easily bite back and attack other nations extra-european ancestry but they don't(Except Valtaves).

On 23andMe Finns indeed do not score any East Asian. Of course also majority of population lives in Southwest where East Asia is lowest.

But for me personally East Asia is not a problem, I believe the purest Hunter Gatherer-West-East-Eurasia results are found in the Northeast.

Anyway Finns are not really trolled: These buffoons are trolling themselves; they're just too stupid to realize it.

[AverageKorhonen]

... Finns = Castizos of Europe

:clap:

[AverageKorhonen]

...

Why do people love to troll Finns on this forum? It's been getting a lot worse lately to. Finns could easily bite back and attack other nations extra-european ancestry but they don't(Except Valtaves).

Next new forum: finnicroots.lefora.com/

[Harkonnen]

Pure N1c mongoloid man marries white women

1 generation 50%
2 generation 25%
3 generation 12.5%
4 generation 6.12%
5 generation 3.1%
6 generation 1.6%
7 generation 0.8%
8 generation 0.4%


Assuming N1c is Lithiunians were spread by 40% N1c like Estonians who have 1.5% East Asian DNA and mixed with Slavs and created Lithuinian people than 0.4% to 0.7% east Asian DNA in Lithuianian shouldn't be any surprise


Obviously it is highly unlikely that the N1c mutation was born in a pure East Asian population.

Ultimately N shares a common origin with R in exlusion of the rest of the major European haplogroups. So I really wouldn't be so eager to call N categorically East Asian if I were you :D

The split between N and O happened almost immediately after NOX had splitted from P (R and Q); just few thousands years. So understand that in the grand scheme R is actually almost equally related phylogenetically to O as N is. (I know that the relation to O is common argument for the origins of N). Anyway the same law applies to O as everybody else, modern distribution doesn't necessarily prove origins.

So far we have found lots of basal N in Europe:

P189.1 in Balkans
L732 in Poland and Belarus
N-M2028 In Estonia, Turkey and Tibet
N-Y9022 in North Russia

Obviously basal N in Europe does not necessarily prove for a European origin of N, but still it shifts the pendulum away from deep East Asia, so we might be looking Central Asia here.
To compare, do you like have any idea on the origins and basal lineages of R?


By the way you can not deduct the Lithuanian autosomal results from (East) Finnish N1c1, as they have completely different N1c1. You are just performing simplified buffoonery of reality, just like many other your kin.

[Arhat]

This result is so freaking strange, the highest ANE is found in South Asians Indians? you mean to tell me there was actually a connection between Indian americans and Indians from India?

the highest ANE is not found among indians, the highest ANE is found among native americans,burusho and pashtuns. ANE is not south asian or east asian and correlates with the haplogroups R and Q which not orginated in south asia like some indians want to believe. I also doubt that it is north european in the strict sense and it seems to be a paleo-siberian component which was later diluted by altaic/east asian invaders there

[ButlerKing]

Obviously it is highly unlikely that the N1c mutation was born in a pure East Asian population.

Ultimately N shares a common origin with R in exlusion of the rest of the major European haplogroups. So I really wouldn't be so eager to call N categorically East Asian if I were you :D

The split between N and O happened almost immediately after NOX had splitted from P (R and Q); just few thousands years. So understand that in the grand scheme R is actually almost equally related phylogenetically to O as N is. (I know that the relation to O is common argument for the origins of N). Anyway the same law applies to O as everybody else, modern distribution doesn't necessarily prove origins.

So far we have found lots of basal N in Europe:

P189.1 in Balkans
L732 in Poland and Belarus
N-M2028 In Estonia, Turkey and Tibet
N-Y9022 in North Russia

Obviously basal N in Europe does not necessarily prove for a European origin of N, but still it shifts the pendulum away from deep East Asia, so we might be looking Central Asia here.
To compare, do you like have any idea on the origins and basal lineages of R?


By the way you can not deduct the Lithuanian autosomal results from (East) Finnish N1c1, as they have completely different N1c1. You are just performing simplified buffoonery of reality, just like many other your kin.

What your yapping doesn't make any sense so let's just use simple basic commonsense. Nenets have 75% haplogroup N yet their mtDNA is 65% west eurasian in addition to 25% R1a and R1b. If haplogroup N was caucasoid than they would already have a west Eurasian bias and the Nenets should be only autosomally in between 30-40% Mongoloid but instead they are 61-90% Mongoloid/East Eurasian. And anthropological evidence of Mongoloid mixing with Caucasoids have existed in 2500 BC in western Siberia.

The haplogroup N in Europe is a N3 branch which is a descendant of N2 and split from the N2 branch

haplogroup N is considered as Mongoloid/East Eurasian in this study. Both N2 and N3

White = West Eurasian
Orange= East Eurasian N2
Blue= East Eurasian N3
Grey = East Eurasian
Black = South Asian but what it means is Southeast Asian.

I rather listen to what DNA study shows than your complicated theories:rolleyes:



" European Journal of Human Genetics doi: 10.1038/ejhg.2008.101
Northwest Siberian Khanty and Mansi in the junction of West and East Eurasian gene pools as revealed by uniparental markers
Ville N Pimenoff1,2, David Comas2, Jukka U Palo1, Galina Vershubsky3, Andrew Kozlov3 and Antti Sajantila1



http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v16/n10/abs/ejhg2008101a.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/SEQPbOEtOmI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/wNAkzgnTuwY/s1600/khanty_mansi.jpg

[ButlerKing]

the highest ANE is not found among indians, the highest ANE is found among native americans,burusho and pashtuns. ANE is not south asian or east asian and correlates with the haplogroups R and Q which not orginated in south asia like some indians want to believe. I also doubt that it is north european in the strict sense and it seems to be a paleo-siberian component which was later diluted by altaic/east asian invaders there

This is such a gay ass claim. :picard2:

How is ANE not south Asian but is Burusho and Pashtuns? Most South Asians have almost same the components as them. The only difference is North Indians have a 10-15% extra portion dark green (South Indian ) the Burusho and Pasthuns also have it. Also compare with every other Europeans, Middle easterners the Burusho and Pasthun are closest to North Indians.

Compare the components and try find me any other ethnic group that's as closeR between North Indians, Burusho, Pasthuns. You won't find it.

Buroshu and Pasthun have 30-40% South Indian DNA

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3720/behar2010k10.png

[Antimage]

]

what does light green mean among europeans?

[ButlerKing]

what does light green mean among europeans?

Is a west Asian Iranic component.

[Antimage]

Is a west Asian Iranic component.

i guess purple is north african. but what is light purple?

can u give link to the site you took the pic from?

[ButlerKing]

i guess purple is north african. but what is light purple?

can u give link to the site you took the pic from?


Light purple is Southwest Asian DNA, dominant in the South Arabian penisula such as Saudi Arabs, Yemens, Omans and in the East Africans.

By the way I have no idea where I can find the link. I posted this last year and got it from forumbiodiversity but I don't think I can find the thread I got it from.

[ButlerKing]

i guess purple is north african. but what is light purple?

can u give link to the site you took the pic from?

The links says behar 2010 k10 maybe it means something

[igo112]

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[Harkonnen]

What your yapping doesn't make any sense so let's just use simple basic commonsense. Nenets have 75% haplogroup N yet their mtDNA is 65% west eurasian in addition to 25% R1a and R1b. If haplogroup N was caucasoid than they would already have a west Eurasian bias and the Nenets should be only autosomally in between 30-40% Mongoloid but instead they are 61-90% Mongoloid/East Eurasian. And anthropological evidence of Mongoloid mixing with Caucasoids have existed in 2500 BC in western Siberia.

The haplogroup N in Europe is a N3 branch which is a descendant of N2 and split from the N2 branch

haplogroup N is considered as Mongoloid/East Eurasian in this study. Both N2 and N3

White = West Eurasian
Orange= East Eurasian N2
Blue= East Eurasian N3
Grey = East Eurasian
Black = South Asian but what it means is Southeast Asian.

I rather listen to what DNA study shows than your complicated theories:rolleyes:



" European Journal of Human Genetics doi: 10.1038/ejhg.2008.101
Northwest Siberian Khanty and Mansi in the junction of West and East Eurasian gene pools as revealed by uniparental markers
Ville N Pimenoff1,2, David Comas2, Jukka U Palo1, Galina Vershubsky3, Andrew Kozlov3 and Antti Sajantila1



http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v16/n10/abs/ejhg2008101a.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/SEQPbOEtOmI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/wNAkzgnTuwY/s1600/khanty_mansi.jpg


Total nonsense. Stop posting 10 year old studies, the nomenclature and structure of N-tree has changed considerably since those days.

[Longbowman]

There is two study for Nganasan

1 study 97% N1c and 3% C3 and mtDNA 100% Mongoloid and autosomal DNA is 100% Mongoloid

Another study shows them with 90% N1c but with 28.5% Caucasian mtDNA but still 98% Mongoloid!!!!!!!!!

Because haplogroups and aDNA don't coincide as neatly as you think they do. You put far too much emphasis on them and you don't quite understand them anyway (what's a 'caucasian' haplogroup, in this case? A specific subclade, or just 'UK/HVO?')

You need to stop using outdated research and outdated methodology. This isn't 2004 and N isn't 'Asian' in the same way R and even I aren't 'European.' There's a lot haplogroups can tell us and you're misusing them, badly.

[Longbowman]

??????????? Could you elaborate ?

No, he couldn't, because the genes of demographic x are never stronger than those of demographic y, that's not how genetics work.

[Incal]

To those Asians who want to marry whites.

If you want your children to be accepted or have a great chance of coming out white. Than do not marry Finns or Turks

Because the only thing you will only end up is a Eurasian with more Asian features.

So who will you marry OP?

[Longbowman]

So who will you marry OP?

We all know the answer is no one.

[Proto-Shaman]

I also doubt that it is north european in the strict sense and it seems to be a paleo-siberian component which was later diluted by altaic/east asian invaders there
ANE has nothing to do with the spread of language families. Altaic doesn't even exist, let alone a genetic unity among them.

[Roy]

Your point being...?

Finns are Finngolian master race.

[DebtCollector]

Curry nigger

[Jusarius]

They still more east Asian on average compared to other European ethnicities

http://oi41.tinypic.com/nldk0i.jpgThat's no fucking Finn but Japanese with a calendar in Japanese in the background.

Do you know why you're brown, ButtQueen? Because you're full of shit.

[Insuperable]

That's no fucking Finn but a Japanese with a calendar in Japanese in the background.

Do you know why you're brown, ButtQueen? Because you're full of shit.

Google shows them as half Finns half East Asians. Butthurtking is a manipulator. You just can't know was his intention to show how half Finns half East Asians look more Asian on average (with two pictures - basically a moron) or make us believe he is posting full Finns.

[zhaoyun]

We all know the answer is no one.

It will be arranged. And she WILL reach for the clicker.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5HLsvwLPpQ

[Cristiano viejo]

Anyways ButlerKing the Finnish User Hweinlant(According to him a typical Finn for his region) scores 100% Euro on 23andme. I'm sure he could show you tons of finns who score high Euro as finns are a North European people. What's the point of posting these random, unverifiable comments from random, unverifiable people?
Some Iberians have posted their results here and they scored 100% Euro but even so they are called Moors by, among others, yourself. Funny, not?


Why do people love to troll Finns on this forum? It's been getting a lot worse lately to.
I take the hands to my head with people like you. You surprise why people troll Finns WHEN YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU are trolling Spaniards constantly. Amazing.


Finns could easily bite back and attack other nations extra-european ancestry but they don't(Except Valtaves).
Valtaves is a retarded but well, you have already one example. Another: Dombra (the true origin of the problem).

[ButlerKing]

Total nonsense. Stop posting 10 year old studies, the nomenclature and structure of N-tree has changed considerably since those days.

Actually it's a 7 year old study. From 2008.

[ButlerKing]

Because haplogroups and aDNA don't coincide as neatly as you think they do. You put far too much emphasis on them and you don't quite understand them anyway (what's a 'caucasian' haplogroup, in this case? A specific subclade, or just 'UK/HVO?')

You need to stop using outdated research and outdated methodology. This isn't 2004 and N isn't 'Asian' in the same way R and even I aren't 'European.' There's a lot haplogroups can tell us and you're misusing them, badly.

So how do we explain the fact that Finns are gentically less distant to East Asian than other Europeans? How do we explain the 5-10 and 10-13% Mongoloid admixture in average Finns?

Also my study was from 2008 May, not 2004.

[ButlerKing]

ANE has nothing to do with the spread of language families. Altaic doesn't even exist, let alone a genetic unity among them.


All Altaic speakers have something to do with Mongoloids.

[ButlerKing]

Google shows them as half Finns half East Asians. Butthurtking is a manipulator. You just can't know was his intention to show how half Finns half East Asians look more Asian on average (with two pictures - basically a moron) or make us believe he is posting full Finns.a

Of course those pictures I posted were only half Finns half East Asians.

[ButlerKing]

Curry nigger

Haplogroup N1c in Finland have to be Mongoloid.

Finns have only 0.5 to 2.5% Mongoloid mtDNA and certainly cannot explain the high 3-15% Mongoloid admixture on a Finnish individual except haplogroup N

[ButlerKing]

That's no fucking Finn but Japanese with a calendar in Japanese in the background.

Do you know why you're brown, ButtQueen? Because you're full of shit.

He is half Finnish and half Asian

[ButlerKing]

Finns are Finngolian master race.

I wouldn't say Finns are Mongolians but they do have high Mongoloid paternal DNA of East Asian/Siberian origin.

[Dani Cutie]

Next new forum: finnicroots.lefora.com/

Talking about Spanish phenotypes or Italians?

[Proto-Shaman]

All Altaic speakers have something to do with Mongoloids.
And? Is that something negative?

[igo112]

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[Longbowman]

So how do we explain the fact that Finns are gentically less distant to East Asian than other Europeans? How do we explain the 5-10 and 10-13% Mongoloid admixture in average Finns?

Also my study was from 2008 May, not 2004.

2008 is still a long time ago, Butlerking. The average Mongoloid admixture is realistically only around 6-7% and haplogroups still don't work like that. Eg: we're 3% Neanderthal, but there are no Neanderthal haplogroups extant.

You're not necessarily wrong but auDNA and haplogroups don't work as simply as you think. Especially with the Finns, whom we know to have experienced a population bottleneck like AJs.

You make the rookie error of believing that 20,000 years ago, there were Europeans, Asians and Blacks, and N was Asian and I was European, etc. This is rubbish. No such purity ever existed. The Mongoloid populations that reached Finland were doubtless mixed by the time they got there.

[Longbowman]

He is half Finnish and half Asian

So you admit you lied. To be fair we all know you lie a lot.

[DebtCollector]

He is half Finnish and half Asian
Half Danish half Korean

Curry nigger

[Roy]

I wouldn't say Finns are Mongolians but they do have high Mongoloid paternal DNA of East Asian/Siberian origin.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/06/you-dont-say.gif

[Stanislav]

Haplogroup N1c in Finland have to be Mongoloid.

Finns have only 0.5 to 2.5% Mongoloid mtDNA and certainly cannot explain the high 3-15% Mongoloid admixture on a Finnish individual except haplogroup N

Haplogroup Y-DNA not marker antropological clasters. The Litvanian have about 40% of N1c1, but there are typical north european.

[Äijä]

East Asian genes are as strong as African I think

this guy should not be more than 10% Mongoloid and look like this

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2016/324x324/69658.jpg

this Canadian actress is between 1/8 - 1/16 Chinese

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/stargate/images/1/1a/KFindlay.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110425002229

The guy is Finland-Swedish, they have many with excotic features, my guess is some settlers where ex thralls released from Sweden.

[Äijä]

Pure N1c mongoloid man marries white women

1 generation 50%
2 generation 25%
3 generation 12.5%
4 generation 6.12%
5 generation 3.1%
6 generation 1.6%
7 generation 0.8%
8 generation 0.4%


Assuming N1c is Lithiunians were spread by 40% N1c like Estonians who have 1.5% East Asian DNA and mixed with Slavs and created Lithuinian people than 0.4% to 0.7% east Asian DNA in Lithuianian shouldn't be any surprise

N1c you see in the Baltic region is from elite dominance, they originate from a bottleneck to expand over R1a and I1.

[Äijä]

Why do people love to troll Finns on this forum? It's been getting a lot worse lately to. Finns could easily bite back and attack other nations extra-european ancestry but they don't(Except Valtaves).

I do.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

I do.

I noticed but unless for Italians and Finns it does not work as well.

[gültekin]

buttlerbaba, finally are Finns Mongols or not? if so, what should they do?

[Äijä]

I noticed but unless for Italians and Finns it does not work as well.

Many South/Central Europeans have high MENA/SSA admix, we really dont care what they say, North Eurasians debate their own ethnogenesis between themselves.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

... we really dont care what they say ...

This thread started by ButlerKing has 15 pages...

[Äijä]

This thread started by ButlerKing has 15 pages...

Trolling.

Also smiling every time looking in the mirror.

[Dormammu]

Anyways ButlerKing the Finnish User Hweinlant(According to him a typical Finn for his region) scores 100% Euro on 23andme. I'm sure he could show you tons of finns who score high Euro as finns are a North European people. What's the point of posting these random, unverifiable comments from random, unverifiable people?

Hweinlant's very own 23andme composition:




Why do people love to troll Finns on this forum? It's been getting a lot worse lately to. Finns could easily bite back and attack other nations extra-european ancestry but they don't(Except Valtaves).

Because they can't. Finns have one of the highest non Euro admix. They have 17% ANE which is post neolithic nomads (thus making them more admixed than even South Europeans) and also have 6-8% additional East Asian (which is completely lacking in other Scando nations). Since the Finngolians here are so high on the "We pure thule europeans" and consider neolithic admix as nigger like, they are also 25% neolithic. Thus Finns are around 50% not European, making them some sort of Happas or Mulattos.

One single individual doesn't prove anything.

[SKYNET]

LOL 50% Finns + 50% Asian = more Asian than your average Eurasians halfbreed


WHAT. THE. F#$K?

[Äijä]

Because they can't. Finns have one of the highest non Euro admix. They have 17% ANE which is post neolithic nomads (thus making them more admixed than even South Europeans) and also have 6-8% additional East Asian (which is completely lacking in other Scando nations). Since the Finngolians here are so high on the "We pure thule europeans" and consider neolithic admix as nigger like, they are also 25% neolithic. Thus Finns are around 50% not European.

One single individual doesn't prove anything.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuLT8_1k2Ag

[Dormammu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuLT8_1k2Ag

Sorry, pc browser blocks videos (I don't like youtube). I know you're high introverted but try writing actual words next time.

[Äijä]

Sorry, pc browser blocks videos (I don't like youtube). I know you're high introverted but try writing actual words next time.

Finns are closely related to all of the North European populations, they all have origins in the Eurasian Steppe.

[Dormammu]

Finns are closely related to all of the North European populations, they all have origins in the Eurasian Steppe.

Northern European population + 8% Asian. Yes, North European populations are admixed too, but not with East Asian. This must have to do with the Inuit language you speak.,

[Äijä]

Northern European population + 8% Asian. Yes, North European populations are admixed too, but not with East Asian. This must have to do with the Inuit language you speak.,

Finns just retain more of the orginal Eurasian stepppe heritage than those more mixed with the farmers.

Btw, Indo-European is the language of the masses, the serfs..

[щрбл]

I actually like chinky eyes, so it's not a bad thing, imo. xD

[Dormammu]

Finns just retain more of the orginal Eurasian stepppe heritage than those more mixed with the farmers.

Btw, Indo-European is the language of the masses, the serfs..

False, because that "Original Eurasian steppe heritage" was after the Neolithics (around Bronze age) and assuming the Asian admix was previous tot hat(which was not) 10% more Farmer ancestry would simply not erase the 8% Asian. Accept your recent ANE and additional East Asian admix (50% not-european) or prepare to be humilliated for your autism.

[AverageKorhonen]

False, because that "Original Eurasian steppe heritage" was after the Neolithics (around Bronze age) and assuming the Asian admix was previous tot hat(which was not) 10% more Farmer ancestry would simply not erase the 8% Asian. Accept your recent ANE and additional East Asian admix (50% not-european) or prepare to be humilliated for your autism.

Wow, then we are actually 50% non-European. I use to think it was 20~30% range. Thank you for your research, pretty well done. You just owned my cousins here. Congrats.:thumb001:

[Äijä]

False, because that "Original Eurasian steppe heritage" was after the Neolithics (around Bronze age) and assuming the Asian admix was previous tot hat(which was not) 10% more Farmer ancestry would simply not erase the 8% Asian. Accept your recent ANE and additional East Asian admix (50% not-european) or prepare to be humilliated for your autism.

The Nordic Bronze Age Dane had similar levels of Asia as modern Finns.

[Harkonnen]

The Nordic Bronze Age Dane had similar levels of Asia as modern Finns.

The Bronze Age Dane is sadly bit forgotten. On a global PCA the Dane did indeed plot with Finns (showing a similar sift to east). Edit. Intra-european PCA was destroyed by Finnish drift. I remember this caused some confusion back in those days.

FWIW Genetiker did admixture test him. Results:

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2014/06/13/analyses-of-a-bronze-age-danish-genome/

However Genetiker results often look bit strange, and I would not put too much weigh on them.

Personally I would suggest that the Danes eastern shift is most likely caused by very high levels of ANE.


False, because that "Original Eurasian steppe heritage" was after the Neolithics (around Bronze age) and assuming the Asian admix was previous tot hat(which was not) 10% more Farmer ancestry would simply not erase the 8% Asian. Accept your recent ANE and additional East Asian admix (50% not-european) or prepare to be humilliated for your autism.

Do you know what is the difference bewtween being admixed, and being The Admixture? Must feel bad to be The Admixture.

[Dormammu]

Do you know what is the difference bewtween being admixed, and being The Admixture? Must feel bad to be The Admixture.

Is this some sort of eskimo humor? Because I Really Don't Know If You Wanted to Make me Laugh or just wrote that out of reflex.

[ButlerKing]

So you admit you lied. To be fair we all know you lie a lot.

Actually, I didn't lied. I was saying a half Finns / half Asian would look more Asian than other European/East Asian hybrid ( example: Japanese-Italian, Chinese-Spanish, Korean-British ) ect.

Those two pictures I posted are half Finns / half Asians ( type in google )

Finns are not pure caucasian.

A Italian will give a 50% Caucasian gene to a 50/50 hybrid but a Finns can only give 43-47%. Another guy who is half Korean , half Finns and ended up being only 44% white but 56% Asian in the autosomal DNA.

[Longbowman]

Actually, I didn't lied. I was saying a half Finns / half Asian would look more Asian than other European/East Asian hybrid ( example: Japanese-Italian, Chinese-Spanish, Korean-British ) ect.
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Finns are not pure caucasian.

A Italian will give a 50% Caucasian gene but a Finns can give 43-47%. Another guy who is half Korean , half Finns and ended up being only 44% white but 56% Asian.

You lied when you said he was en ethnic Finn.

Finns are 5-6% EEA on average. So what?

Also, please update your ethnicity information to reflect your actual origins.

[Antimage]

Actually, I didn't lied. I was saying a half Finns / half Asian would look more Asian than other European/East Asian hybrid ( example: Japanese-Italian, Chinese-Spanish, Korean-British ) ect.

Those two pictures I posted are half Finns / half Asians ( type in google )

Finns are not pure caucasian.

A Italian will give a 50% Caucasian gene but a Finns can give 43-47%. Another guy who is half Korean , half Finns and ended up being only 44% white but 56% Asian.

didn't lied? funny

[Antimage]

when will you admit that you are not british, everyone knows you are not british

[Longbowman]

when will you admit that you are not british, everyone knows you are not british

I think he admitted he was South Asian a few months ago.

[ButlerKing]

You lied when you said he was en ethnic Finn.

Finns are 5-6% EEA on average. So what?

Also, please update your ethnicity information to reflect your actual origins.

No, those two pictures I posted were half Finns. I never once said they are pure Finns, they look too Asian to be Finns

Look at page 1 and 2. We were discussing whether Finns + Asian look more Mongoloid/Asian compared with other European ethnicity + Asian

[Longbowman]

No, those two pictures I posted were half Finns. I never once said they are pure Finns, they look too Asian to be Finns

Look at page 1 and 2. We were discussing whether Finns + Asian look more Mongoloid/Asian compared with other European ethnicity + Asian

Well Finns are 5-6% EEA which is incremental but more than other Europeans (except Northern Russians) so yes, but the difference would be very small.

[ButlerKing]

Well Finns are 5-6% EEA which is incremental but more than other Europeans (except Northern Russians) so yes, but the difference would be very small.

Well this all depends on the location. Many Finns are much more than 5-6%.

Stefan is half Finnish, half Japanese and is 55% Asian and only 45% white ( that means his finnish side have 10% Mongoloid/Asian )

Park Shi On friend is 1/4 Korean + 1/4 German and 1/2 Finnish, and yet instead of 25% she is 31.6% Mongoloid/Asian ( meaning the finnish must have been 11-12% Mongoloid/Asian )

Finns on average 9.3% Siberian/Mongoloid DNA there was also Finns with 12 -15% Siberian/Mongoloid admixture although it was only a few samples.


http://s22.postimg.org/5f5lqifo1/admix.png


Another study shows the average Finns is 7% Northeast Asian
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qOVZjcVfQHU/UM_08vMw5wI/AAAAAAAADC4/ECbFEisKKY8/s400/Finnishref.tiff

[Longbowman]

Well this all depends on the location. Many Finns are much more than 5-6%.

Stefan is half Finnish, half Japanese and is 55% Asian and only 45% white ( that means his finnish side have 10% Mongoloid/Asian )

Park Shi On friend is 1/4 Korean + 1/4 German and 1/2 Finnish, and yet instead of 25% she is 31.6% Mongoloid/Asian ( meaning the finnish must have been 11-12% Mongoloid/Asian )

Finns on average 9.3% Siberian/Mongoloid DNA there was also Finns with 12 -15% Siberian/Mongoloid admixture although it was only a few samples.


http://s22.postimg.org/5f5lqifo1/admix.png


Another study shows the average Finns is 7% Northeast Asian
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qOVZjcVfQHU/UM_08vMw5wI/AAAAAAAADC4/ECbFEisKKY8/s400/Finnishref.tiff

And many are much less.

Recent (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/edit#gid=0): just under 6%. Similar to Russian Kargopol which is under 7%.

Either way, 6/7% is low.

One person of recent ancestry not having exactly half of 7% EEA is not surprising. Sometimes you don't get exactly half the ancestral results of your parents, especially with recent ancestry. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

Finns are around 6% East Asian. End of debate.

[ButlerKing]

But even 7% Mongoloid/Northeast Asian can create offspring who are only 46.5% White but 53.5% Asian, meaning Finns always produce Eurasian mix race with more mongoloid bias

[Longbowman]

But even 7% Mongoloid/Northeast Asian can create offspring who are only 46.5% White but 53.5% Asian, meaning Finns always produce Eurasian mix race with more mongoloid bias

On average, yes, assuming the Asian is 100% Asian (not Uighur, Kazakh, Mongol, etc). Who cares? What does it matter?

[ButlerKing]

And many are much less.

Recent (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/edit#gid=0): just under 6%. Similar to Russian Kargopol which is under 7%.

Either way, 6/7% is low.

But that along can make Eurasian shift to a Mongoloid appearance. We all know Mongoloid genes is stronger and yet mixing with Finns will only give to their addition but I must say, there are many half Finns/ half Asian who often have more blonde hair than other ethnicity but their facial features are more mongoloid

One person of recent ancestry not having exactly half of 7% EEA is not surprising. Sometimes you don't get exactly half the ancestral results of your parents, especially with recent ancestry. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

Finns are around 6% East Asian. End of debate.

[ButlerKing]

On average, yes, assuming the Asian is 100% Asian (not Uighur, Kazakh, Mongol, etc). Who cares? What does it matter?


This all depends. more than half of the Finlands population is in western Finland and they have only 5-10% Mongoloid but in eastern Finland is 10-15%

Here is another more clearer east Asian map
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=37103&d=1378454779

[Äijä]

Well this all depends on the location. Many Finns are much more than 5-6%.

Stefan is half Finnish, half Japanese and is 55% Asian and only 45% white ( that means his finnish side have 10% Mongoloid/Asian )

Park Shi On friend is 1/4 Korean + 1/4 German and 1/2 Finnish, and yet instead of 25% she is 31.6% Mongoloid/Asian ( meaning the finnish must have been 11-12% Mongoloid/Asian )

Finns on average 9.3% Siberian/Mongoloid DNA there was also Finns with 12 -15% Siberian/Mongoloid admixture although it was only a few samples.


http://s22.postimg.org/5f5lqifo1/admix.png


Another study shows the average Finns is 7% Northeast Asian
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qOVZjcVfQHU/UM_08vMw5wI/AAAAAAAADC4/ECbFEisKKY8/s400/Finnishref.tiff

Talk about a fetish, Indians use billions every year on skin whitening products. Can you do a thread about that?

[Longbowman]

dude, order your quotes better.

Mongoloid genes aren't 'stronger.' That's not an idea with any scientific weight behind it.

[Longbowman]

This all depends. more than half of the Finlands population is in western Finland and they have only 5-10% Mongoloid but in eastern Finland is 10-15%

Here is another more clearer east Asian map
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=37103&d=1378454779

No. 1) This is dodecad, dodecad sucks. 2) It's not 5-10 and it's not half, it's most, and it's 2.5-5 and 5-10, you've misread. Only a few people live in the area of Finland with higher Mongoloid ancestry. You can actually just get the raw data and not make random guesses that make it sound like half of all Finns are 15% EEA, which is just incorrect. That map may just indicate Sami.

[ButlerKing]

Mongoloid genes aren't 'stronger.' That's not an idea with any scientific weight behind it.

They are pretty strong, not as strong as black but stronger than white.

It is ironic that the blondest European population create childrens with more Mongoloid tendencies.

You mix with a Northwestern Indian and Vietnamese, the children with be 50% Caucasian and 50% Mongoloid. You mix with a Finns and Vietnamese and they will end up being from only 43-47.5% Caucasian to 52.5 - 57% Mongoloid

[Äijä]

No. 1) This is dodecad, dodecad sucks. 2) It's not 5-10 and it's not half, it's most, and it's 2.5-5 and 5-10, you've misread. Only a few people live in the area of Finland with higher Mongoloid ancestry. You can actually just get the raw data and not make random guesses that make it sound like half of all Finns are 15% EEA, which is just incorrect. That map may just indicate Sami.

White Sea trade route is a possible source for higher EEA.

[Longbowman]

They are pretty strong, not as strong as black but stronger than white.

It is ironic that the blondest European population create childrens with more Mongoloid tendencies.

You mix with a Northwestern Indian and Vietnamese, the children with be 50% Caucasian and 50% Mongoloid. You mix with a Finns and Vietnamese and they will end up being from only 43-47.5% Caucasian to 52.5 - 57% Mongoloid

There's no such thing as 'stronger genes.'

Northwest Indians have significant EEA and even SSA. Stop trying to connect Indians and Europeans, you're making all the other Indians look bad.

Burusho: 6.44% EEA, 1.99% SSA.
Pathan: 0.61% EEA, 2.08% SSA.
South Indian: 8.19% EEA, 5.08% SSA.

But that's only if you consider SEA to be Caucasian, which I don't - it peaks in Malays.

Burusho: 17.29%, Pathan: 15.45%, South Indian: 24.13%.

[Nyx]

They are pretty strong, not as strong as black but stronger than white.

I think you mean "dominant" genes not stronger genes.

[ButlerKing]

No. 1) This is dodecad, dodecad sucks. 2) It's not 5-10 and it's not half, it's most, and it's 2.5-5 and 5-10, you've misread. Only a few people live in the area of Finland with higher Mongoloid ancestry. You can actually just get the raw data and not make random guesses that make it sound like half of all Finns are 15% EEA, which is just incorrect. That map may just indicate Sami.

Why is it 2.5 -5 and 5-10?

The darkest color is 15%> and the color next to it that highlight eastern Finland is 10-15%

Okay, look at this one.

Dark Blue is Chucki
Red is Ngannasan
Orange is Altaic
Pink is Koryak
Light green East Asian

All these components reachest highest percent in ethnic more mongoloid than you can imagine
Combine all those five.

The one with purple highlighted in purple is [RU] North Russia and have a total of 13.7% and next to it is [FI] Finland 10.5%


http://i48.tinypic.com/k4a2yb.jpg

[♥ Lily ♥]

I don't really care much for the DNA of people; but the Finns have a beautiful country and also plenty of attractive and pleasant people, great musicians, etc, whether they have mixed DNA or not.

[Longbowman]

Why is it 2.5 -5 and 5-10?

The darkest color is 15%> and the color next to it that highlight eastern Finland is 10-15%

Okay, look at this one.

Blue is Chucki
Red is Ngannasan
Orange is Altaic
Pink is Koryak
Light green East Asian

All the other components have nothing to do with Mongoloid
Combine all those three.

The one with purple highlighted in purple is [RU] North Russia and have a total of 13.7% and [FI] Finland 10.5%


http://i48.tinypic.com/k4a2yb.jpg

Someone made a mistake mate. Work up from the bottom. It's the 3rd lightest shade, which is 2.5-5%.

All your data is out of date and you're misinterpreting it anyway. The Finnish entry looks to be about 6% on the one you showed.

[ButlerKing]

There's no such thing as 'stronger genes.'

Northwest Indians have significant EEA and even SSA. Stop trying to connect Indians and Europeans, you're making all the other Indians look bad.

Burusho: 6.44% EEA, 1.99% SSA.
Pathan: 0.61% EEA, 2.08% SSA.
South Indian: 8.19% EEA, 5.08% SSA.

But that's only if you consider SEA to be Caucasian, which I don't - it peaks in Malays.

Burusho: 17.29%, Pathan: 15.45%, South Indian: 24.13%.

I don't get it, if there's so such thing as stronger genes why is it in 49/50 cases a 50/50 half black - half white always end up look more like a lighter skin version of pure black African? even African Americans who are 12.5 to 30% white mixing with other pure White American ussually ends up looking black but much lighter.


Burusho are not real Indians, they are dardic people. Punjabis have only 1.5% but is not surprise burusho have them, they also have 5% C3, and 5% O3.

There is no such thing as white race, there is only the caucasian race.

Northwestern Indian and European are just variations but are brothers.

And the EEA components in South India is not from Mongoloids, Same with the SSA in Africans is not from negroid. Is a ancient ancestral.

[Antimage]

in 49/50 cases a 50/50 half black - half white always end up look more like a lighter skin version of pure black African?



no

50%white 50% black will always have visible white features.

[ButlerKing]

Someone made a mistake mate. Work up from the bottom. It's the 3rd lightest shade, which is 2.5-5%.

All your data is out of date and you're misinterpreting it anyway. The Finnish entry looks to be about 6% on the one you showed.

No, I measured it as 10.5% with a ruler by piecing up all the Mongoloid components together. You have to add the upper with the lower part.

[Longbowman]

I don't get it, if there's so such thing as stronger genes why is it in 49/50 cases a 50/50 half black - half white always end up look more like a lighter skin version of pure black African?

They don't.


even African Americans who are 12.5 to 30% white mixing with other pure White American ussually ends up looking black much lighter.

They don't.


Burusho are not real Indians, they are dardic people. Punjabis have only 1.5% but is not surprise burusho have them, they also have 5% C3, and 5% O3.

EEA, SEA and SSA in NW Indians will total around 1/4, with a significant amount being EEA and SSA.


There is no such thing as white race, there is only the caucasian race.

Mesolithic European is relevant in Europeans and nonexistant in Indians. All races are fluid, but Indians and Europeans are not that close (Indians share only Neolithic ancestry, which is what connects Caucasians. Neolithic ancestry is only a majority of European ancestry in the Mediterranean).


Northwestern Indian and European are just variations but are brothers.

No, they're very different.


And the EEA components in South India is not from Mongoloids, Same with the SSA in Africans is not from negroid. Is a ancient ancestral.

True, but it's not Caucasian. Also, why does it matter?

[Longbowman]

No, I measured it as 10.5% with a ruler by piecing up all the Mongoloid components together. You add the upper with the lower part.

No, irrelevant. Irrelevant data. I dismiss it. Show me something with numbers, like I did.

[Antimage]

a few quadroons can evenpass as whites. Ryan Giggs for example, he never looked part black to me, i was very surprised to find out he's 1/4 black

[ButlerKing]

They don't.



They don't.



EEA, SEA and SSA in NW Indians will total around 1/4, with a significant amount being EEA and SSA.



Mesolithic European is relevant in Europeans and nonexistant in Indians. All races are fluid, but Indians and Europeans are not that close (Indians share only Neolithic ancestry, which is what connects Caucasians. Neolithic ancestry is only a majority of European ancestry in the Mediterranean).



No, they're very different.



True, but it's not Caucasian. Also, why does it matter?

I saw many who are only 1/4 Black or 1/3 Black and still more black than Caucasian.

And while is true Northwest Indian and European are different they are still 100x more closer than to Negroid and Mongoloid.

The difference between Europeans and Northwest Indian is the same between Middle east and European. All three forms a different cluster but are much closer even though they look absolutely different. although many Northwest Indian and Punjabi look more European.

[ButlerKing]

a few quadroons can evenpass as whites. Ryan Giggs for example, he never looked part black to me, i was very surprised to find out he's 1/4 black

More like 1/5 Black. His father side is not even 50/50 but roughly 40% Black and 60% White. His father look less black than most 50/50.

So a 40% Black / 60% White and mix with another white would end up being only 20% Black.

[Antimage]

More like 1/5 Black. His father side is not even 50/50 but roughly 40% Black and 60% White.

how youz know? his paternal grandfather was sierra leonese

[ButlerKing]

No, irrelevant. Irrelevant data. I dismiss it. Show me something with numbers, like I did.

Well look here. North Russians 14% East Asian and Finnish 13.3% but I don't understand why other Europeans have it?

http://i47.tinypic.com/5zflsx.png

[Linebacker]

Thats a little over the top.

I too have said many times that Finns are a bit Mongol influenced but its no more than 10-15%.They are still predominantly North European and they have a very high percentage of WHG.

[ButlerKing]

how youz know? his paternal grandfather was sierra leonese

Actually his father look more Caucasian than I though. I learned this like 7 years old ago and Ryan giggs father is more white than black. His father is properly just 30-40% Black, he looks less Black than most Ethiopians.

His father ( definately less black than obama )

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/secondary/162685.jpg

Brother and mother
http://images.dailystar-uk.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/516000/109516.jpg

[Antimage]

I learned this like 7 years old ago and Ryan giggs father is more white than black.

how so?


His father is properly just 30-40% Black, ]

proof? wikipedia says his grandpa was sierra leonese

[ButlerKing]

how so?


proof? wikipedia says his grandpa was sierra leonese

His granpa's wife is black some white admixture or and maybe his grandpa is white with small Black admixture ( 10-20%?)

You can't trust a book by it's cover and only by paternal ancestry. Is more complicated than you think.

[Longbowman]

Well look here. North Russians 14% East Asian and Finnish 13.3% but I don't understand why other Europeans have it?

http://i47.tinypic.com/5zflsx.png

Exactly, the only source you can provide still shows them only a couple of points above other Europeans. Try harder.

Where is this even from? Source?

[Longbowman]

I saw many who are only 1/4 Black or 1/3 Black and still more black than Caucasian.

Your perception is not science. To blacks, mixed-race people are equally noticeable.


And while is true Northwest Indian and European are different they are still 100x more closer than to Negroid and Mongoloid.

They are closer, I'm not sure how you're quantifying 100 times though.


The difference between Europeans and Northwest Indian is the same between Middle east and European. All three forms a different cluster but are much closer even though they look absolutely different. although many Northwest Indian and Punjabi look more European.

No it isn't and no they don't.

[ButlerKing]

Exactly, the only source you can provide still shows them only a couple of points above other Europeans. Try harder.

Where is this even from? Source?

Is from Dieneske blog, but I don't remember the title.

But's also posted in Russian forum where they discuss Russian and Finns have significant Mongoloid admixture

http://www.balto-slavica.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=15619&mode=threaded&pid=228210

[Longbowman]

Is from Dieneske blog, but I don't remember the title.

But's also posted in Russian forum where they discuss Russian and Finns have significant Mongoloid admixture

http://www.balto-slavica.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=15619&mode=threaded&pid=228210

I can't read Russian and neither can you. Either way all English language sources that you or I can actually post support me.

[ButlerKing]

Your perception is not science. To blacks, mixed-race people are equally noticeable.



They are closer, I'm not sure how you're quantifying 100 times though.


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No it isn't and no they don't.

They are both caucasoids and cluster much closer than to non-caucasoid, and they share similar western European haplogroup ( Y-DNA R1a, J2 or mtDNA U, T. Northwest Indians have 70-92% western European Y-DNA and including 60-80% Western eurasian mtDNA.

Northwest India are basically West Eurasian with small South Asian

[ButlerKing]

I can't read Russian and neither can you. Either way all English language sources that you or I can actually post support me.

I found it.

http://dienekes.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/4-population-test-and-east-eurasian.html

[Longbowman]

They are both caucasoids and cluster much closer than to non-caucasoid, and they share similar western European haplogroup ( Y-DNA R1a, J2 or mtDNA U, T. Northwest Indians have 70-92% western European Y-DNA and including 60-80% Western eurasian mtDNA.

Western European? No, you mean West Asian, or more specifically R1a, which is common in Eastern Europe, not Western Europe.

Either way, MENA people cluster closer and have even more European-type clades.

[Longbowman]

I found it.

http://dienekes.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/4-population-test-and-east-eurasian.html

Yeah but re-read it, it doesn't actually show direct admixture. It's just using reference populations to see how Asian-shifted North European populations are, how far they regress from the mean. Using one population:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xFUWsf1yLMQ/UDNSB8dbWXI/AAAAAAAAFmY/nCNMjOSlwsw/s1600/table_regression.png

Using another:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CMUya8Is6VM/UDOij184rSI/AAAAAAAAFnI/XnKxQ1hglYI/s1600/table_regression_Basque_Mbuti_Dai.png

Once again you use images you don't understand.

[ButlerKing]

Yeah but re-read it, it doesn't actually show direct admixture. It's just using reference populations to see how Asian-shifted North European populations are, how far they regress from the mean. Using one population:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xFUWsf1yLMQ/UDNSB8dbWXI/AAAAAAAAFmY/nCNMjOSlwsw/s1600/table_regression.png

Using another:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CMUya8Is6VM/UDOij184rSI/AAAAAAAAFnI/XnKxQ1hglYI/s1600/table_regression_Basque_Mbuti_Dai.png

Once again you use images you don't understand.



Now here is Lazardis study. All other European shows 0% Mongoloid admixture, but this reachest 100% in Nganassans who are 100% Mongoloid.


The finns from 5 - 11.6% Mongoloid admixture and the North Russians have 6 - 12.5% Mongoloid admixture

http://oi59.tinypic.com/mh9k5i.jpg

[Longbowman]

Now here is Lazardis study. All other European shows 0% Mongoloid admixture, but this reachest 100% in Nganassans who are 100% Mongoloid.


The finns from 5 - 11.6% Mongoloid admixture and the North Russians have 6 - 13% Mongoloid admixture

http://oi59.tinypic.com/mh9k5i.jpg

5-11.6% is legit, as is 6-13%. But most of them will have closer to 5 and 6. That's what I've said. The overall average is about 6% for Finns and 7% for North Russians.

[Harkonnen]

I found it.

http://dienekes.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/4-population-test-and-east-eurasian.html

Dienekes is using Sardinians as his 'pure' Euro reference. We know Sardinians have African admixture + are heavily basal. You could might as well use Egyptians as your pure Euro reference. Then all Euros would be at least 50% East Asian.

[ButlerKing]

5-11.6% is legit, as is 6-13%. But most of them will have closer to 5 and 6. That's what I've said. The overall average is about 6% for Finns and 7% for North Russians.

Actually I measured it with a ruler again and Russians have 6 - 12.5%, I accidentally added the tiny brown component which is south Asian ( possibly from the gypsies )

[Longbowman]

Actually I measured it with a ruler again and Russians have 6 - 12%, I accidentally added the tiny brown component which is south Asian ( possibly from the gypsies )

STOP USING A RULER.

Anyhow, 6-12 is possible too.

[ButlerKing]

5-11.6% is legit, as is 6-13%. But most of them will have closer to 5 and 6. That's what I've said. The overall average is about 6% for Finns and 7% for North Russians.

I think is more than that. The Russians mongoloid component is 8 - 14.5%

http://i45.tinypic.com/f2j3ip.jpg

[Longbowman]

I think is more than that.

You're wrong. Post links to an actual survey that says so, or be ignored.

[gültekin]

http://i61.tinypic.com/2dhtbh5.jpg
Twitter only allow 140 Characters, you know xD

[ButlerKing]

You're wrong. Post links to an actual survey that says so, or be ignored.

I couldn't find the source at the moment but I know it was in Dieneskeblog.

But take a look at this study. Mongoloid admixture from my calculation is 7 - 12.8% in Finns and 8 - 14.5% in North Russians.

I can't find the number for the study so I measured the individual line each with a ruler 0-10 cm and make sure they are the same.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Oa3bBts6e3M/Ur6VH_81tpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/JGoPs1UmWyA/s1600/Lazaridis2014_EDF3_K6.png

[ButlerKing]

Twitter only allow 140 Characters, you know xD

This is not from Twitter, this is from Netizens.

[Longbowman]

I couldn't find the source at the moment but I know it was in Dieneskeblog.

But take a look at this study. Mongoloid admixture from my calculation is 7 - 12.8% in Finns and 8 - 14.5% in North Russians.

I can't find the number for the study so I measured the individual line each with a ruler 0-10 cm and make sure they are the same.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Oa3bBts6e3M/Ur6VH_81tpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/JGoPs1UmWyA/s1600/Lazaridis2014_EDF3_K6.png

Stuff you measured with a ruler is immediately ignored. Actual studies AND GEDmatch runs show 6%.

[ButlerKing]

Stuff you measured with a ruler is immediately ignored. Actual studies AND GEDmen tatch runs show 6%.

GEDmatch only shows a average number based on the number of similar numbers.

You know how stupid it is, if 10 out of 100 samples is 6% , even though 90 of the samples can range 0-100% they are ignored aswell, for example if only 8 out of 100 sample is 50% they would never put 50% even though this is such a significant percentage.

Realistically you can't just say 6%, you must look at samples individually

Let's say 6% is the 1st average ( but this make just makes up 30% of the Finnish population ) but a 2nd average can also be 10% Mongoloid ( 20% of the population ) and 12% Mongoloid ( 5% of population ) are ignored in the studies.

How many finnish people are 6% Mongoloid is the question, no one can say they all have the same numbers

[Äijä]

This is a non-issue looking at the admixes other Europeans have.

[Longbowman]

GEDmatch only shows a average number based on the number of similar numbers.

You know how stupid it is, if 10 out of 100 samples is 6% , even though 90 of the samples can range 0-100% they are ignored aswell, for example if only 8 out of 100 sample is 50% they would never put 50% even though this is such a significant percentage.

Realistically you can't just say 6%, you must look at samples individually

Let's say 6% is the 1st average ( but this make just makes up 30% of the Finnish population ) but a 2nd average can also be 10% Mongoloid ( 20% of the population ) and 12% Mongoloid ( 5% of population ) are ignored in the studies.

How many finnish people are 6% Mongoloid is the question, no one can say they all have the same numbers

I'm sorry, do you not understand basic baths? People use the mean as opposed to the median. If there are 8 people with 50% there'd have to be 80 with 1%. So you use the mean. It doesn't really matter if there are a couple of outliers.

[ButlerKing]

I'm sorry, do you not understand basic baths? People use the mean as opposed to the median. If there are 8 people with 50% there'd have to be 80 with 1%. So you use the mean. It doesn't really matter if there are a couple of outliers.

I used a simple rough example. My charts and graphs shows Finnish people are far more diverse than just a mere number of 6%, with clearly 25% of the individual samples have 10-13% Mongoloid and 35% between 8-9% and 40% 6-7. However because most samples is 6% it becomes the average even though the propotion of the population of Finns 6% Mongoloid admixture could be could be as low as 10% to as high as 50%. ( but 50% is extremely unlikely, I never saw a population sample with 1/2 of the samples being the same percentages )

This 6% Mongoloid Finns is just a picked average number 8 out of 100 samples, meaning only 8% of Finnish population have 6% Mongoloid admixture but anything lower the 8 samples is not included.

6% national average ( 8% of Finland Population ) <----- only first average counts because is the highest even though is only a minority

The others with lower samples and numbers are not included even though the make as significant percent and are a majority compared with 6% but since 6% is the average they cannot include the others simply because it has the highest number of samples and others even with 1 less samples are not included for example.

10% ( 7% of Finland population )
7.2% ( 6% of Finland population )
12% ( 5.5% of Finland population)
13% ( 4% of Finland population )
9% ( 7.9% of Finland population

Shows example

6% <---- the highest

[ButlerKing]

And this is exactly why I always prefer charts, diagrams of individual samples and percentages because it shows it's diversity.

Unlike docedad and Gedmatch that only shows one mere average number that people think make up over 50% when in reality most are only 8-30% in the total population or even lower.

[Harkonnen]

I found it.

http://dienekes.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/4-population-test-and-east-eurasian.html


Dienekes is using Sardinians as his 'pure' Euro reference. We know Sardinians have African admixture + are heavily basal. You could might as well use Egyptians as your pure Euro reference. Then all Euros would be at least 50% East Asian.

I'm still laughing at this.

I suggest to Dienekes that he replaces Sardinian with Loschbour in his f4 statistics, and then make a similar comparison between Han and San. Then see the SSA shift of Sardinians, and calculate the SSA%. I assure we would not be talking about peanuts here.

Can't believe people take this clown seriously.

[Longbowman]

I used a simple rough example. My charts and graphs shows Finnish people are far more diverse than just a mere number of 6%, with clearly 25% of the individual samples have 10-13% Mongoloid and 35% between 8-9% and 40% 6-7. However because most samples is 6% it becomes the average even though the propotion of the population of Finns 6% Mongoloid admixture could be could be as low as 10% to as high as 50%. ( but 50% is extremely unlikely, I never saw a population sample with 1/2 of the samples being the same percentages )

This 6% Mongoloid Finns is just a picked average number 8 out of 100 samples, meaning only 8% of Finnish population have 6% Mongoloid admixture but anything lower the 8 samples is not included.

6% national average ( 8% of Finland Population ) <----- only first average counts because is the highest even though is only a minority

The others with lower samples and numbers are not included even though the make as significant percent and are a majority compared with 6% but since 6% is the average they cannot include the others simply because it has the highest number of samples and others even with 1 less samples are not included for example.

10% ( 7% of Finland population )
7.2% ( 6% of Finland population )
12% ( 5.5% of Finland population)
13% ( 4% of Finland population )
9% ( 7.9% of Finland population

Shows example

6% <---- the highest

No. 6% is the mean. Do you understand what that means?

[Scarlet Ibis]

They still more east Asian on average compared to other European ethnicities

pic not copied
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UNCGNmOHLsE/hqdefault.jpg


Cool story. But everyone on here, including yourself, is capable of going to https://images.google.com/, copying and pasting the links from your pics, and noticing a few things:

1) Like a creep, you lifted a random pic of a guy with a Scandinavian name on another forum who says he's half Korean, and half Danish.
2) The pic of the girl is a screen shot of this youtube video, where she specifically says, at 1:08, that she's Chinese, English, Scottish, and Native American. http://youtu.be/UNCGNmOHLsE?t=1m5s

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Cool story. But everyone on here, including yourself, is capable of going to https://images.google.com/, copying and pasting the links from your pics, and noticing a few things:

1) Like a creep, you lifted a random pic of a guy with a Scandinavian name on another forum who says he's half Korean, and half Danish.
2) The pic of the girl is a screen shot of this youtube video, where she specifically says, at 1:08, that she's Chinese, English, Scottish, and Native American. http://youtu.be/UNCGNmOHLsE?t=1m5s

Don't feed troll, moron.

[Dross]

They still more east Asian on average compared to other European ethnicities

http://oi41.tinypic.com/nldk0i.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UNCGNmOHLsE/hqdefault.jpg

If you look closely, he does have european features, but not a big deal. There are asians that look like that. He could pass as entirely japanese.

[Dross]

Interestng.