Q. Is it ok to perv over Dawn in the musical Buffy episode?

[Wulfhere]

A. Yes. Michelle Trachtenburg, who plays Dawn Summers, was born on October 11, 1985, so her 16th birthday was October 11, 2001. The musical episode of Buffy - properly called Once More, with Feeling - was first aired on November 6, 2001, meaning she was certainly over 16 when it was broadcast. (And no, I don't know when it was filmed exactly, but I do know that Buffy episodes tended to be pretty close to the air date.)

However, if you live in a country in which the legal age of consent is over 16 then you're a paedophile if you perv over Dawn in that particular episode.

http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/dawn.jpg

[RoyBatty]

In most countries of members who frequent this board it would not be considered to be OK from a legal or moral viewpoint. You know this. Therefore why pose this rhetorical question?

[Wulfhere]

In most countries of members who frequent this board it would not be considered to be OK from a legal or moral viewpoint. You know this. Therefore why pose this rhetorical question?

Wouldn't it? What countries have something higher than 16 as their age of consent? In the UK, as I'm sure you know, one can be married at 16.

[Pallantides]

My grandfather married my grandmother when she turned 16 and he was 28.

Age of consent
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Age_of_Consent.png

This map shows the legal age of consent for heterosexual sex in different countries around the world.

[Svanhild]

What do you want to tell us Wulfhere? That you consider yourself a pedophile? Or is it a new attempt to start a tiny scandal like with your daughters of Freya who only exist on your hard disk drive? :wink

[Eldritch]

A. Yes. Michelle Trachtenburg, who plays Dawn Summers, was born on October 11, 1985, so her 16th birthday was October 11, 2001. The musical episode of Buffy - properly called Once More, with Feeling - was first aired on November 6, 2001, meaning she was certainly over 16 when it was broadcast. (And no, I don't know when it was filmed exactly, but I do know that Buffy episodes tended to be pretty close to the air date.)

However, if you live in a country in which the legal age of consent is over 16 then you're a paedophile if you perv over Dawn in that particular episode.

http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/dawn.jpg

Let me try to approach this with the seriousness this topic deserves. First of all, is it wrong to "perv" over underage girls? If you say yes, then you definitely should not perv over her in that episode, since there is no way of ascertaining whether or not she was 16 at the time of filming, which is what really matters, not the date it was actually aired.

Also, why not get our terminology straight at last: pedophilia means sexual attraction to children. Perving over 16-18 year old girls might indicate something else, namely ephebophilia.

And it's not an entirely clear-cut case whether just perving over anyone or anything is wrong.

[lei.talk]

some of the readers may have noticed
that the image in this post (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=197600#post197600) is click-able.

the age of consent in the vatican was eye-poppingly low.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Asia_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/190px-Asia_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Oceania_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/190px-Oceania_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Oceania)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Europe_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/200px-Europe_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Location_North_America.svg/200px-Location_North_America.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Africa_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/200px-Africa_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Africa)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/South_America_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/200px-South_America_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.pn g (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_South_America)



Relax. He's just joking around.

http://youtu.be/F-3maSnJE3o
chasing girls is a waste of time.
letting them catch you - works every time.

[Wulfhere]

What do you want to tell us Wulfhere? That you consider yourself a pedophile? Or is it a new attempt to start a tiny scandal like with your daughters of Freya who only exist on your hard disk drive? :wink

I was making the point that in some countries one could have sex with her and marry her at 16 (or, say, 12 in Spain, by the look of it), but in California, for example, where it was filmed, you'd be locked up as a paedophile. What if me and my hypothetical 16-year-old wife went on holiday to California?

[Wulfhere]

Let me try to approach this with the seriousness this topic deserves. First of all, is it okay to "perv" over underage girls? If you say yes, then you definitely should not perv over her in that episode, since there is no way of ascertaining whether or not she was 16 at the time of filming, which is what really matters, not the date it was actually aired.

Also, why not get our terminology straight at last: pedophilia means sexual attraction to children. Perving over 16-18 year old girls might indicate something else, namely ephebophilia.

And it's not an entirely clear-cut case whether just perving over anyone or anything is wrong.

I don't think it's ok to perv over underage girls, though I wouldn't criminalise those who did (as long as the girl was not affected in any way). However, 16 is not underage, and those who fancy 16-year-olds are not ephebophiles.

[Eldritch]

However, 16 is not underage, and those who fancy 16-year-olds are not ephebophiles.

They might be. Not all "philias" are against the law.

[Wulfhere]

They might be. Not all "philias" are against the law.

Indeed - such as gerontophilia. However, as I understand it ephebophilia refers to pubescent kids, not those around 16 or so.

[Ulf]

Indeed - such as gerontophilia. However, as I understand it ephebophilia refers to pubescent kids, not those around 16 or so.

Ephebophilia is the sexual preference of adults for mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia

Once you reach puberty, you are biologically an 'adult'. Whatever that means.

[Wulfhere]

Ephebophilia is the sexual preference of adults for mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia

Once you reach puberty, you are biologically an 'adult'. Whatever that means.

Further down it says girls aged 14-16, and boys aged 14-19. Sounds like crap to me, to be honest. There are perfectly sound biological reasons for finding girls in their late teens attractive - health, fertility, etc., and to give it a dodgy-sounding Greek name makes it seem dirty somehow.

[Ulf]

Further down it says girls aged 14-16, and boys aged 14-19. Sounds like crap to me, to be honest. There are perfectly sound biological reasons for finding girls in their late teens attractive - health, fertility, etc., and to give it a dodgy-sounding Greek name makes it seem dirty somehow.

http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr269/ulfgrimr/1274455635872.jpg

[Agrippa]

Pedophilia is present if a man goes primarily for girls which are in no way mature yet, as some sort of orientation, look at this stage model.

That is the standard development of an Europid woman, again, the exact age might vary and secular acceleration led to an even earlier sexual maturation, but the stages stay the same:
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7733/wachstum2.png (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/wachstum2.png/)

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Once a female hits the biological "adult status", you can't speak of any sort of paedophilia any more.

True paedophiles always go for the immature stages - like presented here to the age of 15. Again, some might be more mature with 13, others just with 16, so it don't depends on the age in numbers alone, but biological maturity as well.

At the age of 16-18 however, today practically all girls are beyond childhood for sure, so any sort of pedophilia is out of question then.

[Osweo]

No, it is not 'okay'.

She's a Jewess. ;)