African admixture in Latin Americans

[TheForeigner]

How much SSA admixture do the various non-black Latin American groups have on average? I've seen a known troll here tell a Mexican mestizo user: ''you're 8% SSA yourself''. I don't think that is true, but maybe someone has some stats.

[Han Cholo]

Most countries have a minority of Africans or African-Admixed people. I don't think any "non.black country" is 8% SSA on average though.

[TheForeigner]

I didn't say non-black country, but the non-black and non-mulatto or zambos/triracial populations in Latin America.

[Bell Beaker]

Most hight % in Brazil and Colombia.

[SupaThug]

At least in my country african admixture is very widespread,but you have mestizo countries like Chile and Mexico where the SSA input is minor to zero.I have SSA ancestry myself.

[TheForeigner]

At least in my country african admixture is very widespread,but you have mestizo countries like Chile and Mexico where the SSA input is minor to zero.I have SSA ancestry myself.

How much do you reckon you have?

[SupaThug]

How much do you reckon you have?

I am not sure,it's probably about 5%.

[TheForeigner]

I am not sure,it's probably about 5%.

So, you're basically a white guy.

[SupaThug]

So, you're basically a white guy.

I don't think so,I have amerindian too.My maternal grandfather looks very amerindian influenced.I am light skinned,but my looks are ambigous,I believe that you would spot admixture in me if saw me.

[Gauthier]

It varies, anywhere from 1% to 7%. Most blacks in such countries got absorbed into the mainstream population a long time ago.

http://i.imgur.com/vEME2IF.jpg

[TheForeigner]

[QUOTE=Bravado;3374995]It varies, anywhere from 1% to 7%. Most blacks in such countries got absorbed into the mainstream population a long time ago.

So I guess they would not show such admixture in phenotype, right?

[Gauthier]

So I guess they would not show such admixture in phenotype, right?

Generally it doesn't show up, too small.


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[TheForeigner]

The mestizos you posted could actually almost pass as Europeans...

[Dictator]

The mestizos you posted could actually almost pass as Europeans...

Darth Revan is a troll but that guy is 1/16 SSA. Not that it's a bad thing, it's not.

[Antimage]

I am not sure,it's probably about 5%.

how do you know you have black ancestry? SSA in iberians can be 5-10%.

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif

[Han Cholo]

how do you know you have black ancestry? SSA in iberians can be 5-10%.

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif

That map isn't SSA admix but North African. Moroccans are no way +40% SSA.

[Antimage]

The mestizos you posted could actually almost pass as Europeans...

Yeah. All of them look borderline european despite having sizable amerindian ancestry.

[Han Cholo]

Yeah. All of them look borderline european despite having sizable amerindian ancestry.

A few ones have actually more Amerindian than Euro ancestry.

[Antimage]

That map isn't SSA admix but North African. Moroccans are no way +40% SSA.

ah. i see. thanks for clarifying

[TheForeigner]

A few ones have actually more Amerindian than Euro ancestry.

So who are all the really dark and non-european ones we often see? Are they mestizos or Amerindians?

[Han Cholo]

So who are all the really dark and non-european ones we often see? Are they mestizos or Amerindians?

Most mestizos who are over 70% indigenous look full Indigenous. Likewise, most that are over 70% european look full European. Obviously higher levels of SSA are out of the question because that can throw things off a lot.

[TheForeigner]

Most mestizos who are over 70% indigenous look full Indigenous. Likewise, most that are over 70% european look full European. Obviously higher levels of SSA are out of the question because that can throw things off a lot.

Don't know if you saw ''Last man standing'' with Bruce Willis, but there is a comandante character that is quite brown and Indian looking and I was surprised to see an Indian in a position of power or as Mexican character. Usually they have more intermediate looking mestizos. And in some movie with Charlie Sheen and Chris Tucker or some other negroid, there was this Mexican corrupt chief of police and he was dark and exotic as hell. He looked part black and maybe triracial and darker than all his subordinates. I thought he looked very atypical for a Mexican and being in northern Mexico too. Btw, do you support the secessionist movement of the Mayas in the South or any other secessionist movements?

[Han Cholo]

Don't know if you saw ''Last man standing'' with Bruce Willis, but there is a comandante character that is quite brown and Indian looking and I was surprised to see an Indian in a position of power or as Mexican character. Usually they have more intermediate looking mestizos. And in some movie with Charlie Sheen and Chris Tucker or some other negroid, there was this Mexican corrupt chief of police and he was dark and exotic as hell. He looked part black and maybe triracial and darker than all his subordinates. I thought he looked very atypical for a Mexican and being in northern Mexico too. Btw, do you support the secessionist movement of the Mayas in the South or any other secessionist movements?

Basing your views on holywood movies (which likely also feature actors of other origins, they've even had Turks and other things play Mexicans, Brits play Hebrews, etc) is not a good idea.

For example this Mexican actor played Egyptians or Arabs quite often:
https://schlockwave.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/lawrenceanthonyquinn.jpg

No, I don't support them. Why would I?

[TheForeigner]

Basing your views on holywood movies (which likely also feature actors of other origins, they've even had Turks and other things play Mexicans, Brits play Hebrews, etc) is not a good idea.



No, I don't support them. Why would I?
You were very butthurt about a thread I made criticizing secessionist movements in the Americas, past and present, for the bloodshed and destruction they caused there. I thought maybe you support some secessionist movement yourself. Don't Mayas have a right to self-determination and do they really have that bad with Mexico?

[TheForeigner]

What was Anthony Quinn's exact ethnic mix? I've read he was part Irish, hence the surname he had. What about his Mexican side? Some sources say his mother was Indian. He looks mestizo to castizo, but could pass as a more exotic South European and often played such roles.

[Han Cholo]

You were very butthurt about a thread I made criticizing secessionist movements in the Americas, past and present, for the bloodshed and destruction they caused there. I thought maybe you support some secessionist movement yourself. Don't Mayas have a right to self-determination and do they really have that bad with Mexico?

If it really was about the general outcome of harm done in long term you would have agreed with me in that case. Anyway this doesn't have nothing to do with the topic.

[TheForeigner]

If it really was about the general outcome of harm done in long term you would have agreed with me in that case. Anyway this doesn't have nothing to do with the topic.

Well, I don't know about all the various secessionist movements in the Americas, but the ones in the US and Brazil were not good or necessary. I think Latin America has had too much splintering and secession. Too bad your leaders did not listened to Simon Bolivar and his Confederation of Andes ideas. Central America should have stayed with Mexico or at least united. There would have been less conflicts there and more stability. No solid cultural or ethnic basis for most of the division in Latin America, since Spanish language and a similar type of civilization are dominant everywhere.

[RighNick]

Brighton made a thread with the averages for each country based on the 23andMe results from Latin Americans that had been posted here. It's obviously not a perfect sample, but it certainly gives an idea of what Latin Americans from different areas score.

http://i.imgur.com/3pmqZiH.png

Looking at this, we see that the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and Brazil all have average African scores >5%. It's hard to make an average for a country as big and diverse as Brazil and there is considerable variation within both PR and the DR, but the general trend makes sense. Those three areas participated actively in the slave trade.

Most of the rest of the countries have African averages of between 1-5%. From what I understand, this represents the absorption of relatively small African communities that were established during the colonial period. Unlike African admixture in Brazil and Puerto Rico, which is highly variable, this percentage is relaively consistent throughout the population. For example, almost all of the Mexicans I share with and Bravado fall within this range.

Chile and Argentina are the only two countries in this sample with less than 1% and this is largely explained by their distance from the core areas of slave-based agriculture and the influx of Europeans in the late 19th century, which further diluted the genetic contribution of the small African community.

Herre is the link to Brighton's thread if anyone is interested in where I got the numbers from: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?136027-Latin-American-s-23andme-Ancestry-Composition-Summary

[SupaThug]

how do you know you have black ancestry? SSA in iberians can be 5-10%.

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif

This map is BS.Iberians are usually no more than 1%.I have colonial brazilian ancestry and I had a great uncle who had african kinky hair.

[Yuffayur]

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