Combat Footage - Delbatsevo cauldron locked !

[Borna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KkegsX7EUQ

I can already see that pro-Western members are rather quiet about Ukraine in past 2 months. Did you already surrender :cool:
8000 Troops encircled, Kiev on the edge of economic colapse, glorious Novorossia soldiers are winning the war.

How mad you are now ? What did i told you noobs ?

[Siberyak]

How many more military failures before there president is ousted I wonder. Or nato or the us military steps in.

[Äijä]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KkegsX7EUQ

I can already see that pro-Western members are rather quiet about Ukraine in past 2 months. Did you already surrender :cool:
8000 Troops encircled, Kiev on the edge of economic colapse, glorious Novorossia soldiers are winning the war.

How mad you are now ? What did i told you noobs ?

I am personally just waiting, mentally preppared for war, also our military has started preparations.

[Sarmatian]

I am personally just waiting, mentally preppared for war, also our military has started preparations.

Your best choice would be to stay away from all this for as long as possible. There is no chance for you for any territorial gain but one wrong move and you may lose everything you have now. Strict neutrality is the only rational option for your folk.

[Äijä]

Your best choice would be to stay away from all this for as long as possible. There is no chance for you for any territorial gain but one wrong move and you may lose everything you have now. Strict neutrality is the only rational option for your folk.

We would not attack but if there is war in the Baltic region we will be attacked by Russia.

[Sarmatian]

We would not attack but if there is war in the Baltic region we will be attacked by Russia.

Where did you get this idea from? Control over territory of Finland doesn't give any strategical military advantage. In fact having a neutral buffer zone is huge strategic advantage on its own.

[Borna]

Do you guys think that after all those horrible attrocities during shelling of Donetsk, Novorussia should take prisoners ?

[Äijä]

Where did you get this idea from? Control over territory of Finland doesn't give any strategical military advantage. In fact having a neutral buffer zone is huge strategic advantage on its own.

We cant be neutral if Estonia is attacked, we have to defend her.

[Sarmatian]

We cant be neutral if Estonia is attacked, we have to defend her.

Why would Estonia be attacked? It have no relation to Ukraine.

Even if Estonia will be attacked are you that suicidal to jump in?

[Äijä]

Why would Estonia be attacked? It have no relation to Ukraine.

Even if Estonia will be attacked are you that suicidal to jump in?

We are basically surrounded if Estonia is annexed, add to that they are related.
If it goes nuclear we all die, I dont think Putin wants that either so it would be a more even fight, I like our odds.

[Sarmatian]

We are basically surrounded if Estonia is annexed, add to that they are related.
If it goes nuclear we all die, I dont think Putin wants that either so it would be a more even fight, I like our odds.

Surrounded by whom? Russia? But why does it matter if your territory have no strategic value and you have all possibilities at hands to maintain neutrality?

Even if it won't go nuclear you still have no chances. Russia can level half of Finland in first 24 hours if it wants to using only conventional rockets, artillery, MRLS and aviation and there will be little you could do about it. You can start guerilla warfare later but since Russia have no interest in your territory and only motivated by elimination of threats it's very unlikely to send troops in so your effort in this regard will be wasted.

I'm puzzled by your military doctrine. It's very rational but based on one sided assumptions like if there is no alternative to it.

[Äijä]

Surrounded by whom? Russia? But why does it matter if your territory have no strategic value and you have all possibilities at hands to maintain neutrality?

Even if it won't go nuclear you still have no chances. Russia can level half of Finland in first 24 hours if it wants to using only conventional rockets, artillery, MRLS and aviation and there will be little you could do about it. You can start guerilla warfare later but since Russia have no interest in your territory and only motivated by elimination of threats it's very unlikely to send troops in so your effort in this regard will be wasted.

I'm puzzled by your military doctrine. It's very rational but based on one sided assumptions like if there is no alternative to it.

How many missiles can you lauch in Finland when at war with other countries?
Some will miss and other will be intercepted, many of you lauchers will be detected and will receive missiles from us.
We can level St.Petersburg, Pskov etc. in retaliation.
Finnish Air Force beats NATO units handily in exercises, I doubt yours are better than those units.

Finland is strategic, we have tens of airfield capable of supporting NATO airforces or can receive air defence batteries that cover most of NW Russia.

[Petros Houhoulis]

An attack by Russia against any E.U. country is an attack on all of the E.U., same applies for NATO.

Russia knows this.

[Äijä]

An attack by Russia against any E.U. country is an attack on all of the E.U., same applies for NATO.

Russia knows this.

Most are not ready to fight for the Balts.

For Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Poland this a strategic question of national security and economics, for the USA and UK it is a grand strategic issue mostly, the rest dont care that much.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Most are not ready to fight for the Balts.

For Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Poland this a strategic question of national security and economics, for the USA and UK it is a grand strategic issue mostly, the rest dont care that much.

Indeed, most would not care that much, but still, they would be dragged to war like many before them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War#Forei gn_forces_throughout_Russia


Numbers of allied soldiers who were present in the indicated regions of Russia:


40,000 British (in the Arkhangelsk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkhangelsk) and Vladivostok regions)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War#cite_ note-HistoryRussia-8)[dubious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disputed_statement) – discuss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War# Dubious)]
23,351 Greeks, who withdrew after three months (part of I Army Corps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Army_Corps_%28Greece%29) under Maj. Gen. Konstantinos Nider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantinos_Nider), comprising 2nd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Infantry_Division_%28Greece%29) and 13th (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=13th_Infantry_Division_%28Greece%2 9&action=edit&redlink=1) Infantry Divisions, in the Crimea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Peninsula), and around Odessa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa) and Kherson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kherson))[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War#cite_ note-greece-9)
13,000 Americans (in the Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok regions)[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War#cite_ note-10) [11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War#cite_ note-11)
12,000 French and French colonial (mostly in the Arkhangelsk and Odessa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa) regions)[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
11,500 Estonians in northwestern Russia[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War#cite_ note-maide-3)
5,333 Canadians (4,192 in the Vladivostok region, 1,100 in the Murmansk and Arkhangelsk regions and 41 in the Baku region)[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
4,000 Serbs (in the Arkhangelsk region)[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
4,000 Romanians (in the Arkhangelsk region)[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
2,500 Italians (in the Arkhangelsk region and Siberia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia))[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War#cite_ note-HistoryRussia-8)
2,300 Chinese (in the Vladivostok region)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War#cite_ note-12)
150 Australians (mostly in the Arkhangelsk regions)[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_%28World_War_II%29


Axis powers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Flag_of_German_Reich_%281935%E2%80%931945%29.svg/23px-Flag_of_German_Reich_%281935%E2%80%931945%29.svg.p ng Nazi Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_%28World_War_II%29#cite_note-Axis-help-1)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Flag_of_Romania.svg/23px-Flag_of_Romania.svg.png Romania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Romania) (until 1944)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Flag_of_Hungary_%281920%E2%80%931946%29.svg/23px-Flag_of_Hungary_%281920%E2%80%931946%29.svg.png Hungary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Hungary_%281920%E2%80%9346%29)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Flag_of_Italy_%281861-1946%29_crowned.svg/23px-Flag_of_Italy_%281861-1946%29_crowned.svg.png Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Italy) (until 1943)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Flag_of_Bulgaria.svg/23px-Flag_of_Bulgaria.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Bulgaria) Bulgaria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Bulgaria) (until 1944)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Flag_of_Finland.svg/23px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png Finland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland) (until 1944)

Axis puppet states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_states)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Flag_of_First_Slovak_Republic_1939-1945.svg/23px-Flag_of_First_Slovak_Republic_1939-1945.svg.png Slovakia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_Republic_%281939%E2%80%931945%29)

[Hochmeister]

Do you guys think that after all those horrible attrocities during shelling of Donetsk, Novorussia should take prisoners ?

Definitely, no:



"Сообщение от командира разведбата.

"Один из бойцов моего подразделения был в плену у Айдара на протяжении полутора недель. Фашисты нервно курят в сторонке. Бойцам ополчения вначале отрезали указательные пальцы, затем — пытки и расстрел. Женя (наш боец) рассказывал, что ему одевали специальную повязку на голову и шею. И он должен был в ней стоять на носочках. Если он опускался на полную стопу, то узлы этой наложенной повязки ломали шейные позвонки. Женя как-то раз простоял 5 часов на одних пальцах. Он говорит, что первые 4 дня ещё цеплялся за жизнь, но издевательства, пытки, избиения, которые выходили за все рамки человеческого понимания, были такими, что он просил своих мучителей, чтобы они его застрелили. Был там один рыжий «айдаровец», который ему сказал: «Нет, сепаратюга, для тебя это будет слишком лёгким выходом». И пытки продолжались. Ему повезло. Он бежал из плена, когда по базе "Айдара" был нанесён удар и разрушена яма, в которой он находился.
Или ещё случай. 18-летнюю девочку, которая просто готовила кушать ополченцам, после двух суток изнасилований просто расстреляли. Бойцу-снайперу прилюдно в Новосветловке топором отрубили руки на глазах у людей. Практиковали и такое: привязывали руки ополченцев к отверстию выхлопных труб танков и газовали. Через несколько минут вместо рук были обугленные обрубки. Одного из наших разведчиков поймали укры и после нескольких дней пыток его привязали проволокой к БТР за ноги и возили по деревням в назидание всем. И в конце бросили его труп в канаву и забросали ветками."

[Minesweeper]

Why is anyone thinking Estonia or any of these small Baltic states is in danger, what good will invasion of those places bring, are there some rare natural resources there, is it vital for communications, does it have important industrial capacities, what is the reason to believe in something like that?

It's a random assumption that seems like paranoia to me.

[Hochmeister]

Why is anyone thinking Estonia or any of these small Baltic states is in danger, what good will invasion of those places bring, are there some rare natural resources there, is it vital for communications, does it have important industrial capacities, what is the reason to believe in something like that?

It's a random assumption that seems like paranoia to me.

http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/WW3_Part_5_-_Polandball_-_Norwegian_edition.png

[Jehan]

Why is anyone thinking Estonia or any of these small Baltic states is in danger, what good will invasion of those places bring, are there some rare natural resources there, is it vital for communications, does it have important industrial capacities, what is the reason to believe in something like that?

It's a random assumption that seems like paranoia to me.

Estonia and Latvia have important Russian minority. It's unlikely to happened for me, but a scenario like in Ukraine can be interesting in some crazy russian minds.
I think Russia as nothing to win in doing this in Baltic state and a lot to loose but nobody can know how shit can turn bad.



Most are not ready to fight for the Balts.

For Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Poland this a strategic question of national security and economics, for the USA and UK it is a grand strategic issue mostly, the rest dont care that much.

If all scandinavia + Baltic state + Poland go to war, it's enought to make a lot of damage and to motivate other country to come in support.
It's sure that France will not enter alone in a total war against Russia just for Estonia or Latvia. Not a question of being coward, just we will not sacrifice thousands of men and a lot of materials for a low interest place.
But i have no doubt that we will actively help and send army if we are not alone.

[ЛыSSый]

Estonia and Latvia have important Russian minority. It's unlikely to happened for me, but a scenario like in Ukraine can be interesting in some crazy russian minds.
I think Russia as nothing to win in doing this in Baltic state and a lot to loose but nobody can know how shit can turn bad.
much more interesting this fact, that these baltic spratstans were bought by Peter I from Sweden. Only in Russia they became as some certain (definite?) but not just ordonary pieces of lands with aborigens, who not asimilated yet. And these spratstans must be grateness for russia only, that they are still have theirs languages and some like simulacrum of national culture. In any other case they all were like a bad parody on scandinavs/doiches.

Let me tell some more for you: after getting an independence in all of these spratstans were a most powerful electronic (and other too) industry in world for that time, but noble spratstanians downed ones to zero less in 5 years and now they all has just 3 beggar buthurtstans without any industry (and more than half of population as uneducated workers in EU) and permanent fear, that russia will attacked them all )))
For comparison: my native hohlostan degraded to theirs level only now.

[Minesweeper]

Estonia and Latvia have important Russian minority. It's unlikely to happened for me, but a scenario like in Ukraine can be interesting in some crazy russian minds.
I think Russia as nothing to win in doing this in Baltic state and a lot to loose but nobody can know how shit can turn bad.


Chances of Russia invading Baltic states out of the blue are minimal. Sure, we can imagine scnarios where Russians invade Baltic states but if you ask me, I can imagine a scenario of France invading Spain for example, sounds stupid but it's possible but we can say for sure it won't happen. Yes, Russians have invaded and annexed Crimea but you can't say it was impulsive and irrational reaction. They know why they did it, we can easily guess, ethnic Russians were not crucial reason.

[ЛыSSый]

our gonerment says, that it's not locked, but... there are 72 captived ukraine soldiers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRiEKCaH2iA