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Tooting Carmen
02-14-2015, 01:52 AM
Why is it that, in most places in the world (including, maybe especially the West), homosexuality is much more stigmatised than lesbianism? Why can women get away with open displays of affection and intimacy with each other and even outright bisexuality much more than can men? I think this clip from American Pie 2 sums it up well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlI7_VTxUvA

Atvend
02-14-2015, 02:09 AM
Because homosexuality is degrading to men, no man should ever submit himself to another.

Ballist
02-14-2015, 02:10 AM
Women aren't usually into porn and sex. We males are more satisfied with porn, and 2 women making out is pretty hot. Women are just friends with gays a lot of the time because of common likes. Women aren't usually turned on by 2 gay guys. I dunno how to explain it another way.

alfieb
02-14-2015, 02:10 AM
Because on one side, heterosexual men don't like you. Heterosexual women aren't bothered by lesbians.
And on the other side, heterosexual men really like lesbians, and while heterosexual women like gay men, there isn't exactly the same market value for gay porn that there is for lesbian porn.

The average heterosexual man loves the idea of a MWW threesome, whereas I'm not sure the average heterosexual woman is really looking to have her lover being sodomized while he penetrates her.

It's really a case of apples and oranges.

In most cases, I support gay rights, but even I turn my head and cringe when I see two men passionately kissing, and I can't say I've ever seen two guys fuck, because I'd rather see just about anything else imaginable than that.

Put yourself in our shoes. You're a straight guy. A girl tells you she's bisexual. That's like going to the ATM machine and seeing more money than you thought you were supposed to have.

Now reverse it. You're a heterosexual woman. A guy tells you that he's also into men. How do you react? Some wouldn't care at all, but I doubt there would be many women who find this to be a net positive.

Longbowman
02-14-2015, 02:31 AM
Women aren't usually into porn and sex. We males are more satisfied with porn, and 2 women making out is pretty hot. Women are just friends with gays a lot of the time because of common likes. Women aren't usually turned on by 2 gay guys. I dunno how to explain it another way.

Naive?

Methmatician
02-14-2015, 02:38 AM
Probably the power thing. I've heard many women say they would never date a bisexual man because they wouldn't be able to get past the fact that their man has most likely taken it up the clacker. Also, naked women are works of art. Naked men are usually ugly.

Another thing is that women are more free to act feminine and masculine at the same time, whereas with men you've got to act masculine or people might start thinking you're gay.

Longbowman
02-14-2015, 02:40 AM
Because homosexuality is degrading to men, no man should ever submit himself to another.

Even by your simplistic logic based on untruths, half of all gays are still respectable.

alfieb
02-14-2015, 02:42 AM
Even by your simplistic logic based on untruths, half of all gays are still respectable.

Now who's being naive? Do you think the dominant ones never get on their knees and satisfy their partners? Maybe not in prison, but only the recipient of the pounding is considered to be gay in jail.

Ballist
02-14-2015, 02:46 AM
Naive?

How so? This is what I have observed from many television shows like the Kardashians or Real House Wives. In real life, too. Gay males in my school talk all the time with girls. Again, I know I sound like I'm generalizing, but that's just what I observed...

Longbowman
02-14-2015, 02:50 AM
How so? This is what I have observed from many television shows like the Kardashians or Real House Wives. In real life, too. Gay males in my school talk all the time with girls. Again, I know I sound like I'm generalizing, but that's just what I observed...

1) The fact you watch those shows brings your sexuality into question. 2) I was commenting on the following untruths:

a) Women don't like porn (dubious, discuss)
b) Women don't like sex (you're doing it wrong)
c) Men are satisfied by porn (wrong, and if so, you're not a man)
d) Two women making out is pretty hot (depends on the women, and still, eh)
e) Women aren't turned on by gay [porn] (dubious, discuss)

The sentence you've defended is the one sentence that's passable, and even that's a huge overgeneralisation.

Atvend
02-14-2015, 02:51 AM
Even by your simplistic logic based on untruths, half of all gays are still respectable.

In what way is my logic simplistic and untrue? Is it not true that males are designed to be competitive with each other? Is it not true that dominance determines a male specimen's quality? A man on the receiving end is a failed organism.

Longbowman
02-14-2015, 02:55 AM
In what way is my logic simplistic and untrue? Is it not true that males are designed to be competitive with each other? Is it not true that dominance determines a male specimen's quality? A man on the receiving end is a failed organism.

Humans aren't this simple. And men are designed to be a team, we're a social animal. As for the rest: no, that's your opinion and it doesn't apply to everyone if it applies to anyone at all. I'm sorry if this offends any DOMtards and their slightly autistic notions about human mentality in their desperate attempt to pigeonhole our species as they try in vain to understand the world around them.

Ballist
02-14-2015, 02:58 AM
1) The fact you watch those shows brings your sexuality into question. 2) I was commenting on the following untruths:

a) Women don't like porn (dubious, discuss)
b) Women don't like sex (you're doing it wrong)
c) Men are satisfied by porn (wrong, and if so, you're not a man)
d) Two women making out is pretty hot (depends on the women, and still, eh)
e) Women aren't turned on by gay [porn] (dubious, discuss)

The sentence you've defended is the one sentence that's passable, and even that's a huge overgeneralisation.

I watch them because my mom and sisters watch them.

Women rarely watch porn. Go to all of the female profiles, a lot of them are anti-porn.

Don't think I said that.

Well, I am younger. LOL So I am now a pussy or some shit for watching porn?

Well, obvi. I don't want no ugly ass bishes.

In general, again, women don't really watch porn at all. Let alone gay porn (man-man).

This argument is pointless, we all have our opinions on homosexuality. We both obviously have different views.

Longbowman
02-14-2015, 03:03 AM
I watch them because my mom and sisters watch them.

Women rarely watch porn. Go to all of the female profiles, a lot of them are anti-porn.

Don't think I said that.

Well, I am younger. LOL So I am now a pussy or some shit for watching porn?

Well, obvi. I don't want no ugly ass bishes.

In general, again, women don't really watch porn at all. Let alone gay porn (man-man).

This argument is pointless, we all have our opinions on homosexuality. We both obviously have different views.

Then don't watch them. Go to another room. TV in general is a bad activity.

No, they don't admit they watch it. I'm anti-porn, doesn't mean all men are.

Ya did bro, check OP. Still, let's drop it.

Porn's bad for you and your dick in particular: http://yourbrainonporn.com/. If you're 16-18 you should at least be trying to score some hand stuff.

Indeed.

Naive, mate :)

True, it'll be 50 years before my ideas reach the Balkans. Maybe only 20 in Greece and Slovenia.

Atvend
02-14-2015, 03:11 AM
Humans aren't this simple. And men are designed to be a team, we're a social animal. As for the rest: no, that's your opinion and it doesn't apply to everyone if it applies to anyone at all. I'm sorry if this offends any DOMtards and their slightly autistic notions about human mentality in their desperate attempt to pigeonhole our species as they try in vain to understand the world around them.

Humans aren't this simple, granted. But behind our complexity still lurks our inner animal. A human brain, although more complex, is still wired the same way as that of any other mammal out there. It is programmed to compete with other males in order to mate with the best female available. Any condition that inhibits this is a disorder of the organism. The team work comes afterwards.

Th D-theorists are retarded, I'll give you that. But their mentality still has some merit. A male who displays strength and power will be respected and envied by other males and females alike.

Pjeter Pan
02-14-2015, 03:13 AM
if my son was a fag I'd disown him on the spot, but if my daughter was a lesbo i would learn to accept it and keep her as long as she isn't a dyke.

Unome
02-14-2015, 05:30 AM
#1 Men and women are not equal, never were, never will be, time to quite pretending like we are

#2 Male homosexuals are perceived, by almost everybody and every society, as much worse than female homosexuals

#3 Females socially are expected to use sex, seduction, and allure (tempting men with possibility of getting laid), to acquire power in life

#4 Men who use sex to gain power, are seen as feminine and "less than a man" or "not a real man"

#5 Males are expected to compete, against other males, usually physically and violently, or typically through outright vicious brutal murder as is the case of war

Etc.

Anthony PV
02-14-2015, 08:12 PM
There! In her 1990 book, Sexual Personae, American feminist Camille Paglia explained why lesbianism is tolerated while male homosexuality is abhorred: :p


'Effeminate men have suffered a bad press the world over. [...] Women have ironically enjoyed a greater symbolic, if not practical freedom. Thus it is that male and not female homosexuality has usually been harshly punished by law. A debater in Lucian declares, "Far better that a woman, in the madness of her lust, should usurp the nature of man, than that man's noble nature should be so degraded as to play the woman." Similarly today, lesbian interludes are a staple of heterosexual pornography. Ever since man emerged from the dominance of nature, masculinity has been the most fragile and problematic of psychic states.'

[Camille Paglia, Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson, 1990]

Pinatču
02-14-2015, 08:26 PM
About that preconceived idea that women aren't interested in male on male porn, I'll have you know that Yaoi, a form of pornographic manga/anime depicting such relationships, is very popular among young women (well, those interested in manga/anime in the first place), who represent the vast majority of its public.

Jarla87
02-14-2015, 08:30 PM
I don`t like both of them. Lesbians gross me off as well as homosexuals. However, I don`t care much about them. If they want to go against nature they I can`t force them not to. The only Thing I'm a little sad about is that homosexuality is not recognized as a mental disease anymore. And yes I know a few homosexuals and lesbians and yes I talked to them about it. They still could not make me tolerant and open minded about it :ohwell:

Kazimiera
02-14-2015, 08:33 PM
Probably the power thing. I've heard many women say they would never date a bisexual man because they wouldn't be able to get past the fact that their man has most likely taken it up the clacker. Also, naked women are works of art. Naked men are usually ugly.

Another thing is that women are more free to act feminine and masculine at the same time, whereas with men you've got to act masculine or people might start thinking you're gay.

They aren't supposed to be attractive to heterosexual men. Heterosexual women, on the other hand, like male bodies. That is what makes them hetero and gets guys laid.

Jarla87
02-14-2015, 08:38 PM
I don`t like both of them. Lesbians gross me off as well as homosexuals. However, I don`t care much about them. If they want to go against nature they I can`t force them not to. The only Thing I'm a little sad about is that homosexuality is not recognized as a mental disease anymore. And yes I know a few homosexuals and lesbians and yes I talked to them about it. They still could not make me tolerant and open minded about it :ohwell:

Unome
02-14-2015, 08:42 PM
The realest, most obvious gender difference is observed through breast-feeding. Both males and females are breast-fed as infants. This creates a positive reinforcement for females (mothers) as a whole. The male father is not reinforced as one who nourishes or provides. And so everybody universally associates females with a positive reinforcement which is absent in males.

Applied to sexuality, it makes even more immediate sense. Females are sources of pleasure; males are sources of pain.


This also makes it obvious the cause and reason-why gender cannot be "equal", especially regarding sex.

Odin
12-20-2017, 04:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGNZQ64xiqo

spik
12-20-2017, 04:45 PM
That’s because they have a fantasy idea of lesbianism.

In truth:
https://media.giphy.com/media/zAIFrIYjxfcDC/source.gif