Nation States?

[Murphy]

Anyone play? You can check out my small nation here (http://www.nationstates.net/nation=aequoreus).

[Cato]

Tried it, never got into it. My most successful nation evar was called "The Repressed Peoples of Crapghanistan" with Mullah Omar Bush as teh leeder.

[The Lawspeaker]

I play Nations (http://apps.facebook.com/nations/713536046) on Facebook :) I have tried Nation States as well. I never really got to like it.

[Groenewolf]

Played it a few times. But without the RP'ing on the forums it can grow boring very fast.

[Cato]

I did it for the lolz.

http://www.nationstates.net/technolards

[Murphy]

I did it for the lolz.

http://www.nationstates.net/technolards

My having went and created a unique flag makes me think I'm not doing it right :D!

[Cato]

There needs to be an Apricity region for us to belong to.

[The Lawspeaker]

Ach.. why not (http://www.nationstates.net/het_sticht) ehh..

[Cato]

My having went and created a unique flag makes me think I'm not doing it right :D!

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/technolards__274204.jpg

Best. Flag. EVAR.

[Cato]

My having went and created a unique flag makes me think I'm not doing it right :D!

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/technolards__274204.jpg

Best. Flag. EVAR. Perfect for a libertarian nation of morbidly obese, wheelchair-bound fatsos. All hail President Gutt!

[Murphy]

I became a Corrupt Dictatorship a few hours ago when I got fed up with everyone bitching about the system :D!

[The Lawspeaker]

I went from a "New York Times Democracy" to a "Inoffensive Centrist Democracy".

[Murphy]

The Issue

A group of holidaymakers from Aequoreus have been arrested while visiting the scenic, yet corrupt and totalitarian, nation of Maxtopia on charges of drug trafficking - an offence which carries the maximum sentence of the death penalty. The story has provoked outrage from citizens, many believing the government should intervene to bring the tourists back home.

The Debate

"Everyone knows what barbarians those Maxtopians are!" says Hope Wu, parent to one of the arrestees. "They've not even allowed my son and his friends access to lawyers! That government is as corrupt as they are cruel, my boy would never have anything to do with drugs! You need to do something to save them, I'm begging you! I'm sure the Maxtopian officials will back down if you threaten trade sanctions or something. Right?"


"You've got to see it from the other side," argues Prudence Winters, a customs official. "While it's unfortunate that the sentence is so stiff, they really shouldn't have been smuggling drugs. I'm sure we wouldn't be happy if Maxtopians came over here with banned goods. I just can't sympathise: they were greedy, they broke the law, they got caught. What makes them so special that they should be bailed out? At the taxpayers' expense I might add. Let them be - it'll show we respect the judicial rights of other countries."


"I agree," chimes in Konrad Longfellow, an anti-drug campaigner, waving a banner which reads 'Don't Be a Fool, Drugs Aren't Cool'. "Did you ever stop to think that our foreign neighbours might have the right idea? A zero-tolerance attitude to the drugs issue is what this country needs! Death to the dealers!"


"You people are so quick to lay the finger of blame," says Stephanie Christmas, an ambassador at Aequoreus's embassy in Maxtopia. "My motto has always been 'If you want something, give something away'. It is the government's duty to protect its citizens from harm! We don't want to cause too much international friction by making a mockery of their laws so we've got to settle things more diplomatically: they scratch our backs now and we'll scratch theirs later."


"That's what they want! Leverage!" hollers Naki Fellow, your Minister of Defence, storming into your office. "Advances in our markets, political favours - they'll do anything to undermine us! They've always hated us, those rats! If you ask me, this brouhaha isn't about drugs - it's a spit in our eye, that's what it is! What kind of people execute kids for having a few ounces on them? We ought to give them a good bombing, then they'll know how a proper country behaves!"

The Government Position

The government has yet to formalize a position on this issue.

If you wish, you may:

What position should I agree with?

[The Lawspeaker]

"That's what they want! Leverage!" hollers Naki Fellow, your Minister of Defence, storming into your office. "Advances in our markets, political favours - they'll do anything to undermine us! They've always hated us, those rats! If you ask me, this brouhaha isn't about drugs - it's a spit in our eye, that's what it is! What kind of people execute kids for having a few ounces on them? We ought to give them a good bombing, then they'll know how a proper country behaves!"

:thumb001:

[Murphy]

:thumb001:

Done. I am already a "Psychotic Dictatorship", what could it hurt :P?

[The Lawspeaker]

Blitzkrieg ! :P

[Vasconcelos]

I have one aswell! Used to have one since the first months of the site, but later lost it.

You can find mine here (http://www.nationstates.net/nation=rokolyev)

[The Lawspeaker]

Ah.. I decided that a change (http://www.nationstates.net/nation=free_tristania) in scenery was a better idea.

[The Lawspeaker]

The stupid web game doesn't even have the Serbian flag. :coffee:
You can upload one after some time.

[Vasconcelos]

Ah.. I decided that a change (http://www.nationstates.net/nation=free_tristania) in scenery was a better idea.

Our nations seem to be politically similar :thumb001:

[The Lawspeaker]

Our nations seem to be politically similar :thumb001:
I am trying to shrink my government size though and privatise government businesses. There will be less government intervention and more free market eventhough I will try to protect the welfare state. :thumb001:

So that means in essence that I will ignore any issue that will work against the environment, the welfare state and democracy and select those answers in others that work towards a free market solution (I want to bring down taxes and shrink the size of the government).
I am already basically a "nation themed on a tropical island-state" and a kind of Sweden (welfare state and environment) meets Singapore (free market and brutal punishments for lawbreakers) and Switzerland (democracy).

I don't RP yet but it will be something like this:

http://www.edesktopwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/beautiful_tropical_beach-14711.jpg

And:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Marina_bay_new_IR.jpg

[Vasconcelos]

That's what I'm aiming for, but it's being really hard not to ruin my economy by helping the environment..

[The Lawspeaker]

That's what I'm aiming for, but it's being really hard not to ruin my economy by helping the environment..
Just ignore the issues that have to do with the environment and only respond when something liberalises the market :)
Let's hope that it will work.

[Vasconcelos]

Problem is that my overwhelming economy started off with uranium mining, which is why it is "renowned for its barren, inhospitable landscape". Only way I have to bring it back is by actually financing the Environment and chopping off the mining industry...sure, it's not one of my 3 big ones now, but I guess it still plays a significant part in keeping my economy near the top-2000 (2,027th) from a growth PoV. :(

[The Lawspeaker]

You're all invited to join (http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_apricity). The current password is libertas. Please be so kind to announce yourself with your forum-name in the region thread :)

[Vasconcelos]

Also, a nice tool you can use:

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Rokolyev
(just replace Rokolyev with your nation's name)

[The Lawspeaker]

Also, a nice tool you can use:

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Rokolyev
(just replace Rokolyev with your nation's name)

Cool ! We'll keep that one central to our region. I really have to work on my nation at the moment.

[The Lawspeaker]

;) A bit of RP here:

The Eilandraad (Island Council) has announced that a committee will be formed to study the possibility of combining the present laws in regards to our democracy, our freedom of religion, expression, the press, our judicial system and the way in which our government works into a Constitution for the Community of Free Tristania.

With 32 vs 16 votes was the Vlagwet (Flag Act) passed through the Council after todays referendum (92 percent voted in favour), thus ending the existing political struggle about the form and colours of the flag. The flag of the Community now looks like this: A cobalt-blue background with two white stars and a golden stripe just below the centre. They are meant to represent the sea, the two islands (Groot Tristania and the uninhabited Klein Tristania) and the golden beach lining both islands.

The Devieswet (Motto Act) was also passed through the Council with 50 out of 50 votes after a referendum - the new national motto is now "Vrijheid" - meaning "liberty".

[Vasconcelos]

Oh I did RP with my old nation, both in Europe and Portugal.

As a matter of fact I still "rp" in the Portuguese region, but they made up many rules that really don't make much sense. For example, the regional version of the UN passed a bill to force everyone to donate money to a war-torn nation. Obviously I refused, I'd help if I were asked to, but in those terms, no way, it's just pathetic..fuck them.
Oh and wars are always bad to rp, no one likes to lose and you don't have a software to control the military properly, so it's all just guess-work. I remember at a time my air force was so advanced and massive I could take out the entire portuguese region's air forces should I wish to. Obviously I didn't, people wouldn't like it and everyone would rage. It was a hobby, meant to be fun, not furstrating.

[The Lawspeaker]

Request: can someone that is a bit handy make a nice flag for our Region ?


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[Megrez]

I just created this shit: http://www.nationstates.net/lages

[The Lawspeaker]

O.K :D Good to have you in the game as well. Well I just send you an invite to The Apricity.

[The Lawspeaker]

Ah. I see you're in. Just to make sure that Vasco won't be like "who the smack is that" - post your name in the thread so we can see who is who :)

[Megrez]

Cool, very cool...

How can I trade some oxen to make an income?

[The Lawspeaker]

Not possible for as far as I know. They tend to have an issue that you can let them end as snacks though :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Hmm who is the Kingdom of United Islanders ?

[Wyn]

I give you the Kingdom of Wynfritica (http://www.nationstates.net/nation=wynfritica)

I made it about 2 minutes ago and already things are looking pretty rough. Apparently my brother is called "Samuel Christmas". What a nice name.

[Vasconcelos]

Nice, we're 6 already.

[Peasant]

Hmm who is the Kingdom of United Islanders ?

;)

[Murphy]

I think I have the largest, richest and most stable nation of the lot?

Edit: No, Rokolyev scares me :P!

[Vasconcelos]

You don't, by a long shot :)

[Murphy]

You don't, by a long shot :)

I just realised :P!

[Äike]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=eysysla


The Kingdom of Eysysla is a fledgling, economically powerful nation, notable for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 6 million are free to succeed or fail in life on their own merits; the successful tend to enjoy an opulent (but moralistic) lifestyle, while the failures can be seen crowding out most jails.

The small government devotes most of its attentions to Law & Order, with areas such as Social Welfare and Religion & Spirituality receiving almost no funds by comparison. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 6%. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Arms Manufacturing, Cheese Exports, and Retail industries.

Voting is voluntary. Crime is a serious problem. Eysysla's national animal is the lynx, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the kroon.

Eysysla is ranked 2nd in the region and 17,489th in the world for Most Godforsaken.

[Murphy]

Who shall be our WA Delegate to represent our region on the world stage? I say we have elections to decide this. But to take part in such elections, you must have a certain amount of playing-time, since you'll be knee-deep in an important part of NationStates.

[Vasconcelos]

I don't really like WA, when I was part of it a few years ago it was mostly dominated by liberal hippies so it usually ruined my economy, raised taxes and so on.

[Murphy]

I don't really like WA, when I was part of it a few years ago it was mostly dominated by liberal hippies so it usually ruined my economy, raised taxes and so on.

I'll nominate my self for the WA then :D!

[The Lawspeaker]

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/free_tristania__629613.jpg
Vrijheid

Announcement from the Community of Free Tristania

Here are the results of todays national elections:


Sociaaldemocratische Bond
Held: 31 seats
Now holds: 7 seats

The Sociaaldemocratische Bond is the national social democratic party in the Community that is credited for the build-up of the welfare state (one of the finest in The Apricity) but is also condemned for the exploding tax rate and the stagnation of the economy. It's views are socialist, social progressive and green-minded.



Vooruitgangspartij
Held: 0
Now holds: 29 seats

The Vooruitgangspartij is a social conservative, fiscal conservative party that stands for a new way of viewing politics. It considers democracy to be just as important as the social democrats did but realizes that not every step of the way on a national level can be taken referendum for referendum. Instead it seeks to reform the government (and implement some ideas of meritocracy and technocracy) and diminish it's role in the economy and relying solely on the government putting in place a revitalized infrastructure (extending the social democratic infrastructure program) and letting the market create the jobs (extending credits to domestic investors). It is willing to uphold but reform the national healthcare system and come up with market-minded reforms in the Nationale Gezondheidsdienst (NHS). When it comes to law and order the Vooruitgangspartij understands that the little bit of crime that is there is to be stamped out the hard way: starting off with government corruption. When it comes to their ideas of the environment they are willing to combine the environmentalism of the Groenen with the steps towards a modern market economy. Mr. van Oosten, it's chairman, has announced during an interview that: "the formation of a new cabinet will take some time.. but we believe that we can make Free Tristania into a new Singapore !"



Christendemocratische Unie
Held: 0 (One of it's Protestant predecessors held: 1)
Now holds: 8

The Christendemocratische Unie is a conservative party with a Christian background formed after the covenant between small Catholic and Protestant parties. The CDU has it's policies deeply routed in Christian-democracy and is fiscally and socially conservative and is economically leaning left-of-center but supportive of some of the ideas proposed by the Vooruitgangspartij.
It considers the family and not big business, trade unions or environmentalists to be the cornerstone of society and most of it's policies are based on that stance. In regards to the environment they too share a commitment to the environment as based on the teachings of the Bible: stewardship.



De Groenen
Held: 18
Now holds: 6
The Groenen or Greens are the environmentalist party and the home of everything that is young, liberal, green and trendy. With the anthropogenic global warming scam floundering the time has come to rethink their ideology and their ideas. The old liberal guard has been thrown on the side and new people have taken over: their ideas more based on the values of stewardship rather then the crazy liberal ideas spouted first. The Greens now seek to come up with a Green New Deal and they have already opened up the first negotiations with the Vooruitgangspartij. Throughout the island natural reserves will be opened and and linked to urban parks. Most will of course be privately owned and opened to paying visitors. However the right to wander will be upheld outside those reserves. It's is also considering to ban the hunt on parrots.

[Vasconcelos]

Meh, I won't join the WA, so pick up a delegate yourselves :p

[The Lawspeaker]

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/free_tristania__629613.jpg
Vrijheid

The Community of Free Tristania Announces:

Concerning the formation of a new Cabinet:

The Community is proud to announce the formation of a new Cabinet consisting of the Vooruitgangspartij (VP) and the Christendemocratische Unie (CDU). The Minister of General Affairs (the head of the Cabinet Office) and Prime Minister is Mr. van Oosten (VP) while the remaining offices are shared between the VP and CDU.

The main task of the Cabinet will be to introduce fiscal and market reforms and to stimulate the economy by means of aiding starting entrepreneurs, loosening government controls and attracting foreign investment by lowering personal and company taxation to an estimated level of 20 percent by the end of it's first term. The flat-tax reform introduced by the former social-democratic government will be kept intact but the methods in which taxes can be deducted will be simplified.

The government has announced that the general outlook of the welfare state and the national health service will remain intact although the pressure on the system will be lowered by introducing more people to the labour market (brought on by new jobs), allowing the Church and private foundations to take over welfare services for religious poor (while the government safety net is kept intact for those in need of assistance -thus releasing pressure on the system) and handicapped and introducing private investment into the NHS.

It is also announced that since English is the main foreign language educated in schools throughout the community and used widely in business circles this language will become the secondary national language next to Dutch.



The motto of the Cabinet will be: Tristania's business is business

[The Lawspeaker]

I'll nominate my self for the WA then :D!
I am already a member. I hope that you will join the WA as well then ?

[Sahson]

I am not involved in that group, but I am with some friends at conplanet, we still have available countries, if people want to get involved, there are about 8 active people.


Here is my country... Ralekitasoj Takësajúnga dë Verszie (http://planet.langwiki.info/Verscie)

http://planet.langwiki.info/images/thumb/0/0e/Flag_of_Vercia.png/800px-Flag_of_Vercia.png

Nationality laws in Verszie (http://planet.langwiki.info/Verszian_nationality_law)
Mining in Verszie (http://planet.langwiki.info/Mining_in_Verszie)
Culture of verszie (http://planet.langwiki.info/Culture_of_Verszie)
Verszie National Transport (http://planet.langwiki.info/Verszie_National_Transport)

anyone interested, here is the world map (http://planet.langwiki.info/index.php?title=World_map).

[Comte Arnau]

So I finally started a nation state there too, out of curiousity. :)

http://www.nationstates.net/batalonia

I don't know if I'll be for too long, though.

[The Lawspeaker]

http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_apricity

Then we are expecting you here, mate. Password: libertas

[Peasant]

Following new legislation in United Islanders, high-income earners pay a 100% tax rate.

I chose to to tax the rich a bit more, I guess it did not lower the 60-80% tax rate for the poor. :D

[The Lawspeaker]

LOL. the general trent at the moment in The Apricity seems to be that we are lowering ouir tax rates :P

[Cato]

Oh boy, we have our own region! I'll have to make up a new nation and join.

[Comte Arnau]

Funny how each of the 8 nations has a different WA Category. :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Funny how each of the 8 nations has a different WA Category. :D
Hehe yap. We are not a European Union where everything is meant to be the same but there is definitely a chance that some of the nations will grow up to be more like each other. It will be my goal to lower my tax rate to around 20 percent and return to a "New York Times Democracy".

[Cato]

Here I am, "It's EPIC fail time!"

http://www.nationstates.net/teh_anons

[The Lawspeaker]

We are growing like vegetables :)

[Comte Arnau]

Also, a nice tool you can use:

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Rokolyev
(just replace Rokolyev with your nation's name)

Nice tool indeed. It has made me realize about my 0% budget spent on Defence, though. A bit scary. :D

[Sahson]

http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_apricity

Then we are expecting you here, mate. Password: libertas

I've decided to join, I'm Federation of Hakszon.

[Albion]

Played it, it was crap.

[The Lawspeaker]

Van Oosten to banks:


DROP DEAD !


Vows he'll veto any bail-out !


In an emergency session of the Eilandraad tonight the plea for a bail-out of the insolvent system banks (and with the pound under severe pressure) was on the table but was voted down by the Vooruitgangspartij.
Prime Minister van Oosten is said to have literary replied to a plea made by Finance Minister Aaron Summers (CDU) "drop dead !" when Summers asked for a T£ 100.000.000 loan to one of the failing banks, which happened to be owned by Ronald Summers (nephew of the Finance Minister).

With some 35 votes against the proposal coming from both left and right the propsal was scrapped and with the stock exchange reopening at 9 o' clock we can only fear for the worst.

[Comte Arnau]

My country ranked yesterday as the nicest in the Apricity, yeah. We're all a bunch of cool Batalonians. :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Hehe.. while my economy is struggling at the moment.

[Sahson]

Hehe.. while my economy is struggling at the moment.

here is the scale (http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=Government_Category#Civil_Rights.2 C_Economy.2C_and_Political_Freedoms_Descriptors)

Frightening is the highest, when everything is deregulated...

here is the scale with the categories shaded in the prevelance of 2006...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/nspoliticalmap.jpg

[Vasconcelos]

Frightening is the highest, when everything is deregulated...

Not really, you can have very tight control of the Economy and still achieve the Frightning level, the market regulation is seen on economic freedom axis. My old nation was once Democratic Socialists with the same top economy.

[The Lawspeaker]

The Eilandraad has officially designated Handelshaven to be the capital of Free Tristania. The de-facto seat of the Eilandraad is now the official one so diplomatic posts should be send to the old address.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Fort_Amsterdam.jpg
(Parliament House).

Prime Minister's Office
14 Langekade
3815KCL Handelshaven FTCR
Community of Free Tristania

[Vasconcelos]

Grats on having a capital city! :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Heh.. Loki would be finding this amusing: in Free Tristania the language is de facto Afrikaans (known as die volkstaal) and the country is a cultural mixture of South Africa, England, a pinch of Singapore and architecture reminiscent of Singapore, South Africa and the Netherlands Antilles)

The landscape often reminds one of south-east Asia because of the rice paddies.

[The Lawspeaker]

I hope that you guys will also spend some time on the Nationstates forum :) I want to be more connected (RP-wise) with the other members of the region.

[Comte Arnau]

Have the feeling mine is going slowly, although it's true I don't visit it much. Don't know why I can't unlock the capital option yet when I surpassed the population a while ago.

[The Lawspeaker]

It has to do with an issue that you will receive and depending on your choice can you choose a capital.

[The Lawspeaker]

To all those that want to drop by in the country take notice because there will be some changes made:

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2774/freetristaniadriveonlef.png

[The Lawspeaker]

There are some more changes coming up (http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=95064).

[The Lawspeaker]

Free Tristania is now officially at war (http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=115885).

[Aelred]

Oh, I did that long ago - they probably deleted it for inactivity. And I became easily frustrated with whomever programmed it. No control over the culture of your country either. It seems my nice Scandinavian republic was settled by the programmers with mostly Haitian refugees.

[Albion]

Oh, I did that long ago - they probably deleted it for inactivity. And I became easily frustrated with whomever programmed it. No control over the culture of your country either. It seems my nice Scandinavian republic was settled by the programmers with mostly Haitian refugees.

Yeah, that's what frustrated me about it too. You couldn't write a history, culture or pick a language group, ethnic identity or genetic lineage in the settings. If you could it would make it a lot more realistic and entertaining.

What it needs:


ethnicity setting
language setting
related ethnicities setting
War setting - if you loose a war your people can be assimilated, forced back or killed - if you win they can expand or become a hegemon
No settings over nature - you should be able to pick the climate, landscape, land use and flora and fauna of your country. The decisions you pick could also influence harvests, famines and natural disaters

[Albion]

I hope that you guys will also spend some time on the Nationstates forum :) I want to be more connected (RP-wise) with the other members of the region.

Okay, I'll bring Celtabria back from the dead once more.

[The Lawspeaker]

Okay, I'll bring Celtabria back from the dead once more.

Where are you, pal ? I am looking for you.

[Albion]

Where are you, pal ? I am looking for you.

If your account is inactive for a month or so they de-activate it and your country disappears. It reappears if you log in though but I haven't been on that site for a number of months.
I would reactivate it but I don't see the point because I'd only abandon it again. I never really liked the forums at Nationstates or the other members.

I actually have a good idea though - we could start a social group here for virtual nations or online micronations and include a thread area with it to post information about the nations.

[The Lawspeaker]

If your account is inactive for a month or so they de-activate it and your country disappears. It reappears if you log in though but I haven't been on that site for a number of months.
I would reactivate it but I don't see the point because I'd only abandon it again. I never really liked the forums at Nationstates or the other members.

I actually have a good idea though - we could start a social group here for virtual nations or online micronations and include a thread area with it to post information about the nations.
I am already in an alliance (http://www.nationstates.net/region=10000_islands) but I could certainly use another ally for some role-playing when I get the time. (Mainly in the weekends until September).

But I will create a social group here for NS-players.

[Albion]

I am already in an alliance (http://www.nationstates.net/region=10000_islands) but I could certainly use another ally for some role-playing when I get the time. (Mainly in the weekends until September).

But I will create a social group here for NS-players.

I was thinking that we could just emulate the idea here. People would start a thread about their nation and keep adding to it as they went along. Wars or trade could be conducted via the social group chat threads feature whilst flags and maps could be uploaded to add interest.

[Graham]

What is this about? Sounds intriguing.

[The Lawspeaker]

RP'ing a nation. :)

[Graham]

RP'ing a nation. :)

Ok I have just created The Rogue Nation of Pentland. Will have a look about. :)

[The Lawspeaker]

Ok I have just created The Rogue Nation of Pentland. Will have a look about. :)

I will send you the link to my nation and to the region in which you can find me.

[Graham]

The Rogue Nation of Pentland is a fledgling, genial nation, notable for its complete lack of prisons. Its compassionate, intelligent population of 5 million enjoy a sensible mix of personal and economic freedoms, while the political process is open and the people's right to vote held sacrosanct.

The large government devotes most of its attentions to Social Welfare, with areas such as Law & Order and Religion & Spirituality receiving almost no funds by comparison. The average income tax rate is 25%. A very small private sector is dominated by the Soda Sales industry.

Just wait for it too all to go tits up haha!

Crime is well under control. Pentland's national animal is the Nuckelavee, and its currency is the Bawbee.

[The Lawspeaker]

I am looking for you. :)

[The Lawspeaker]

I have sent you a message.

[Graham]

I have sent you a message.

Noticed. Working round things. Bastards trying to go on strike. Back scratching fuckers wanting me to join groups also.

They can fack aff!

Staying low off the radar.

[The Lawspeaker]

Noticed. Working round things. Bastards trying to go on strike. Back scratching fuckers wanting me to join groups also.

They can fack aff!

Why not join 10000 islands and you will always be rid of it ? They tend to leave you alone unless you ask for help. That's why I like them so much. They don't bother me and I don't bother them.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/new_free_tristania__701283.jpg

What do you think about the flag ?

[Graham]

Why not join 10000 islands and you will always be rid of it ? They tend to leave you alone unless you ask for help. That's why I like them so much. They don't bother me and I don't bother them.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/new_free_tristania__701283.jpg

What do you think about the flag ?

Looks a good place to holiday lol, nice flag. I'll take your advice.

[Albion]

Just wait for it too all to go tits up haha!

Crime is well under control. Pentland's national animal is the Nuckelavee, and its currency is the Bawbee.


Breaking news - Celtabrian Navy surround Pentland!

It emerged today that the Royal Celtabrian Navy has surrounded and enforced a blockade of the nation of Pentland on the behest of His Royal Highness Albion.
When asked to comment on the action he responded with "well I just wanted to piss off Graham really - we'll starve those fuckers out and they'll be forced to join the might Celtabrian Empire in a matter of weeks".

...


Tempting, tempting.... :p

[Albion]

Why not join 10000 islands and you will always be rid of it ? They tend to leave you alone unless you ask for help. That's why I like them so much. They don't bother me and I don't bother them.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/new_free_tristania__701283.jpg

What do you think about the flag ?

It has a union jack! I love it! :D

[The Lawspeaker]

You people could roleplay groups of islands or so close to Free Tristania. Albion has already proposed to be in free association with me so I will supply the King for Celtabria. Namely myself under a slightly different name. ;) Celtabria.. the structure could work a bit like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koninkrijk_der_Nederlanden). Do you want to become a constituent country or a bijzondere gemeente (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Netherlands) ?

[The Lawspeaker]

Tempting, tempting.... :p

I don't think the Free Tristanian government would allow that and you're dealing with a military the size of the U.S army during WWII then... :D

[The Lawspeaker]

It has a union jack! I love it! :D

Read the nation factbook and you understand why. :D

[Graham]

Tempting, tempting.... :p

My place is as military strong as Ireland.:D

Go away! lol

[Albion]

My place is as military strong as Ireland.:D

Go away! lol

Lol, my New Zealand has your Ireland surrounded with 3 rowing boats and a dinghy - prepare for war! :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Lol, my New Zealand has your Ireland surrounded with 3 rowing boats and a dinghy - prepare for war! :D

Problem: I am still around and I am as military strong as the USA during World War II with modern equipment and I am in an alliance with a communist nation of well over 3 billion people. Are you sure you want to go there ? ;) They have gulags.. and plenty of them.

[Albion]

Problem: I am still around and I am as military strong as the USA during World War II with modern equipment and I am in an alliance with a communist nation of well over 3 billion people. Are you sure you want to go there ? ;) They have gulags.. and plenty of them.

Pentland has weapons of mass destruction so must be invaded!

[The Lawspeaker]

Pentland has weapons of mass destruction so must be invaded!

Free Tristania disagrees and offers Pentland the security of a bijzondere gemeente (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Netherlands). An overseas municipality of Free Tristania which is under the protection of Free Tristanian weapons.

You people would laugh btw if you knew the name of the naval base I am planning just outside the capital: Paarlhaven. Pearl Harbour. The Globexantarians will be invited to use that facility as well so it will be jointly-ran.

[Albion]

Free Tristania disagrees and offers Pentland the security of a bijzondere gemeente (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Netherlands). An overseas municipality of Free Tristania which is under the protection of Free Tristanian weapons.

Okay, Celtabria has learnt that it was provided with false information in order to provoke a war. It is believed that corporate interest were to blame and the perpetrators will be hunted down and shot.

Celtabria would be very interested in joining the bijzondere gemeente btw.


You people would laugh btw if you knew the name of the naval base I am planning just outside the capital: Paarlhaven. Pearl Harbour. The Globexantarians will be invited to use that facility as well so it will be jointly-ran.

:thumb001:

[The Lawspeaker]

Okay, Celtabria has learnt that it was provided with false information in order to provoke a war. It is believed that corporate interest were to blame and the perpetrators will be hunted down and shot.

Celtabria would be very interested in joining the bijzondere gemeente btw.



:thumb001:

Free Tristanian law only knows shooting for military personell like what happened to MilInt (former Military Intelligence) terrorists: they faced the firing squad. For civilians there is the noose.

And Pearl Harbour. I choose that name deliberately as I am trying to expand my realm throughout Pacific (think about the pre-WWII United States) and I will seek an alliance with whatever Philippines is out there (so it's a red rag hiding a nuke). If you would see my factbook you would realise that I am not focussed on Europe but more on the oceans around us (we are a big tropical island continent so..) I hope that some idiot will be daft enough one day to invade that new ally then and bomb the crap out of Pearl Harbour so I can do a bit of island-hopping before I bomb, frag, shell and nuke the hell out of that country.

[Graham]

Pentland has weapons of mass destruction so must be invaded!
:cool: We're cool with your lot.
As I wrote....

Scotland meets Bhutan we are like. A proud happy nation.
No to War! No to Globalism! Yes to Democracy & to our people! We believe in the Golden Rule.

"One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself".

[The Lawspeaker]

So what if I situate Celtabria closest to Free Tristania.. basically as close as Hawaii is to the US and Pentland a bit like Midway or Guadalcanal. What kind of climates and peoples do you have ?

As bijzondere gemeenten you will both have 1 MP and 1 Senator in the Free Tristanian States-General (it will probably end up with 5 per overseas territory). Affairs between Free Tristania and your two gemeenten are maintained by the Department of the Interior and Commonwealth Relations. (Think about the Colonial Office but less so. We don't do much actual ruling there).

[Albion]

Free Tristanian law only knows shooting for military personell like what happened to MilInt (former Military Intelligence) terrorists: they faced the firing squad. For civilians there is the noose.

But these are terrorists! We need a strong nation and allowing terrorists to even breath the same air as us us unacceptable.


If you would see my factbook you would realise that I am not focussed on Europe but more on the oceans around us (we are a big tropical island continent so..) I hope that some idiot will be daft enough one day to invade that new ally then and bomb the crap out of Pearl Harbour so I can do a bit of island-hopping before I bomb, frag, shell and nuke the hell out of that country.

I'm islands too - think New Zealand or Japan - medium size, goes from sub-tropical to sub-arctic.

[The Lawspeaker]

But these are terrorists! We need a strong nation and allowing terrorists to even breath the same air as us us unacceptable.
Under Free Tristanian law they are hanged - British style. But that law can be changed later. There is still the distinction between hanging and shooting.




I'm islands too - think New Zealand or Japan - medium size, goes from sub-tropical to sub-arctic.
So suppose there would be a war in the Ocean you would probably end up being the first place where hell breaks loose since you will be laying there in front of my coast. If you could have some tropical zones that would be nice because my troops are the best equipped for it (almost as evil as the Vietcong or the Japanese of WWII when it comes to jungle training and overall tactics).

[The Lawspeaker]

The question is though: in what way is Free Tristanian general law applicable on the islands ? Are the citizens subjected to the draft or will there be a local militia which serves under the directions of the Free Tristanian armed forces ? Will there be regular units based on the islands ?

I could let both countries become dominions when reaching 50 million inhabitants or make them countries within the Commonwealth) - think about Aruba within the Kingdom of the Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands#Aruba). Full-blown independence can happen at any time of your choosing. ;)

[Albion]

So what if I situate Celtabria closest to Free Tristania.. basically as close as Hawaii is to the US and Pentland a bit like Midway or Guadalcanal. What kind of climates and peoples do you have ?

Situate us in the North Pacific somewhere - north of Hawaii but south of Aleutia.

Here's a rough map. The size is negotiable.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5989/celtabriamap.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

Situate us in the North Pacific somewhere - north of Hawaii but south of Aleutia.

Here's a rough map. The size is negotiable.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5989/celtabriamap.jpg

Let's make it just in the Los Angeles area. Still a mainly subtropical part (it's easier for me to fight there in case all hell breaks loose).

[Albion]

The question is though: in what way is Free Tristanian general law applicable on the islands ? Are the citizens subjected to the draft or will there be a local militia which serves under the directions of the Free Tristanian armed forces ? Will there be regular units based on the islands ?

I could let both countries become dominions when reaching 50 million inhabitants or make them countries within the Commonwealth) - think about Aruba within the Kingdom of the Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands#Aruba). Full-blown independence can happen at any time of your choosing. ;)

Celtabria could have its own defense forces within the Tristanian military as the Falklands do in the UK.
I like draft - but to the Celtabrian regiments only.

[Albion]

Let's make it just in the Los Angeles area. Still a mainly subtropical part (it's easier for me to fight there in case all hell breaks loose).

Okay.

[The Lawspeaker]

Celtabria could have its own defense forces within the Tristanian military as the Falklands do in the UK.
I like draft - but to the Celtabrian regiments only.

Then it is more like the former militia within the Netherlands Antilles. Citizens there could not be drafted for the Dutch army but they could be drafted for the local militia. It might work.. but what if the island falls to an invader and the troops have to be evacuated ?

[Albion]

Then it is more like the former militia within the Netherlands Antilles. Citizens there could not be drafted for the Dutch army but they could be drafted for the local militia. It might work.. but what if the island falls to an invader and the troops have to be evacuated ?

In the event of invasion or threat of invasion the local troops stay in Celtabria. Otherwise they can be used a peacekeepers, attend training or be used against insurgents in Tristania.

[The Lawspeaker]

In the event of invasion or threat of invasion the local troops stay in Celtabria. Otherwise they can be used a peacekeepers, attend training or be used against insurgents in Tristania.

Think about this scenario: an enemy invades Celtabria and knocks out the local and Free Tristanian defence forces. The only way out is a Dunkirk. Would those troops and any civilians that can run away be evacuated to Free Tristania to (if necessary) fight the enemy from there ?

[Graham]

You're the The Kingdom of Celtabria Albion? Spend so much more on defence than Healthcare. lol. My country is under a left grip at the moment. :P

I'll have a tight border control though. Nae cunt taking advantage of the Welfare system.

[Albion]

Think about this scenario: an enemy invades Celtabria and knocks out the local and Free Tristanian defence forces. The only way out is a Dunkirk. Would those troops and any civilians that can run away be evacuated to Free Tristania to (if necessary) fight the enemy from there ?

We'd do a "strategic withdrawal" (Run lads!, let's get the fuck out of here!) and withdraw to Free Tristania.
From there we'd start a government in exile and support the Celtabrian resistance. The Celtabrian resistance would keep people away from the infrastructure and we'd send in planes to carpet bomb the shit out of the ports, railways, roads and military installations.

Once the infrastructure was out we'd create a distraction in the south whilst launching a full invasion force from the north. The north of the island would be secured and we'd work our way south and attempt to blockade their supply routes.

Once we won we'd spend the next few decades fixing up the infrastructure.

[Albion]

You're the The Kingdom of Celtabria Albion? Spend so much more on defence than Healthcare. lol. My country is under a left grip at the moment. :P

Yeah, even I thought it was becoming a bit too much like America. :D We;re quite right-wing at the moment.

Yes, Celtabria is my old username from Apricity. Like my reverse England / Knights of Malta / English crusader flag? I nicked it from Savoy. ;)

[The Lawspeaker]

We'd do a "strategic withdrawal" (Run lads!, let's get the fuck out of here!) and withdraw to Free Tristania.
From there we'd start a government in exile and support the Celtabrian resistance. The Celtabrian resistance would keep people away from the infrastructure and we'd send in planes to carpet bomb the shit out of the ports, railways, roads and military installations.

Once the infrastructure was out we'd create a distraction in the south whilst launching a full invasion force from the north. The north of the island would be secured and we'd work our way south and attempt to blockade their supply routes.

Once we won we'd spend the next few decades fixing up the infrastructure.
It would probably become a Battle of Midway between the Free Tristanians and the enemy themselves followed by island hopping. Island by island. Inch of jungle by inch of jungle. So in that case Celtabria would be in the firing line. It is probably more likely that Strategic Command (basically High Command) would keep the Celtabrians in reserve in Free Tristania themselves while f.i the Royal Navy, Royal Naval Aviation Services and the marines go in to actual combat. There are simply not enough Celtabrians to last through a big war.

[Graham]

xDxD It won't stay like that.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/problem1.pnghttp://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/problem2.png

[The Lawspeaker]

We how have a national government of basically Labor and the Conservatives together (Arbeidersparty and Conservatieven). But we will get rid of the bipartisan system and return to the coalition system and adopt a new constitution - followed by a coalition system (like Canada, the Netherlands, most of the civilised world).

[Albion]

It would probably become a Battle of Midway between the Free Tristanians and the enemy themselves followed by island hopping. Island by island. Inch of jungle by inch of jungle. So in that case Celtabria would be in the firing line. It is probably more likely that Strategic Command (basically High Command) would keep the Celtabrians in reserve in Free Tristania themselves while f.i the Royal Navy, Royal Naval Aviation Services and the marines go in to actual combat. There are simply not enough Celtabrians to last through a big war.

Overpopulation is a problem, we have 950 million people in a place the size of Japan.


The Kingdom of Celtabria is a huge, devout nation, ruled by Leader with an iron fist, and notable for its compulsory military service.

Good so far.


Its hard-nosed, hard-working, cynical population of 950 million are rabid consumers, partly through choice and partly because the government tells them to and dissenters tend to vanish from their homes at night.

Very good.


The medium-sized government concentrates mainly on Defence, although Education and Social Welfare are on the agenda. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 18%.

Very good, but we need smaller government.


A robust private sector is led by the Woodchip Exports, Automobile Manufacturing, and Soda Sales industries.

Woodchips? Soda? WTF?

Cars are good though, but we need some defense contractors and heavy engineering.


The government recently relinquished its monopoly on the mail service, retirement homes are often fitted with luxurious suites,

The postal service cannot be run by the state lest it become an inefficient burden. Our luxury retirement homes have provided a high standard of living for our elderly.


Crime is a problem, probably because of the country's utter lack of prisons.

Seriously - I have no idea how that happened. Prisons will be back soon and god help those criminals. :grumpy:


Celtabria's national animal is the Rock Dove, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation,

Aww.

[The Lawspeaker]

Overpopulation is a problem, we have 950 million people in a place the size of Japan.
Damn. You have more people in a smaller area lol. So your nation will need to industrialise asap.

[Graham]

You need to do what China has done, one baby rule. :P

[Albion]

http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/1428/expenditure.jpg

Targets:

Reduce spending on spirituality by 5%
Raise spending on healthcare and environment.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3171/gdpv.jpg

Target:

Reduce public sector to 12% by reducing the amount of people employed in the armed forces slightly and reducing subsidies to religious movements.

[Graham]

^^ Public spending isn't far off Scotlands lol

[Albion]

Damn. You have more people in a smaller area lol. So your nation will need to industrialise asap.

We are poor peasants. :cry2


You need to do what China has done, one baby rule. :P

I have no idea how it got so large, I can't remember what I did the last time I logged in but it must have been good. My right-wing utopia will become African hellhole if I don't curb the overpopulation soon though.

[Albion]

^^ Public spending isn't far off Scotlands lol

I know - it is unacceptably high and needs nipping in the bud before we get a deficit.

[Graham]

Mexico number two!

[The Lawspeaker]

My targets would be to reduce the public sector to 20 percent and to scrap any subsidies to mass transit and spirituality (meaning that evert single government company like the mail, the highways etc. will be privatised). Administration should be brought back to 5 percent and education should be at least halved. I will also work on my civil and political rights in order to get a cheaper government that still provides healthcare and a welfare state and cracks down on crime. So I want to go for a kind of flexicurity model.

I will try to keep a generally friendly subsidy policy for industry though because in my RP I model my industrial policy on the one used by Japan during the 1950's to 1970s.

[Graham]

How do you deal with the Unions?

[Albion]

My targets would be to reduce the public sector to 20 percent and to scrap any subsidies to mass transit

Whoa - mass transit must be subsidized. I don;t want any shitty Amtrak rail service in my country.


(meaning that evert single government company like the mail, the highways etc. will be privatised).

You're not supposed to say that. Where's left-wing Tuan gone? :p

[Albion]

How do you deal with the Unions?

What unions? ;)

[Graham]

What unions? ;)

lol I'm going to have those pricks at me quite often. :D I'll ignore them until they go away.

[The Lawspeaker]

How do you deal with the Unions?

In the RP there is a kind of Polder Model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polder_Model) - known as the Socio-Economic Consensus Model.

[The Lawspeaker]

Whoa - mass transit must be subsidized. I don;t want any shitty Amtrak rail service in my country.
That could be the case in Celtabria because it is a lot smaller (a kind of provincial service) but on the mainland it will be Japanese style with private companies and all the motorways are tolled.




You're not supposed to say that. Where's left-wing Tuan gone? :p
It's a big country. We're not the small Netherlands where the state can run it all. The country is simply too big so private iniative and citizens themselves will have to bear a part of the burden: that means that rural roads will usually be maintained by the local farmers that live adjacent to it and to drive over it you have to pay a fee/have a vignet (like in parts of Norway).

[Albion]

Current housing for residents:

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/13412215.jpg

The future of Celtabrian cities:

http://tokyolife.biz/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Dome-City.jpg
Domed cities to withstand the tough, sub-arctic conditions in North Celtabria. Well regulated environment inside with rain every night after 9:00 (to keep kids off the streets and for convenience) and a permanent temperature between 15 and 20c.
Seriously though - we should be building these things in British Antarctic Territory and the Falklands already. When the next Ice Age comes around I hope they exist in England too. ;)

[Albion]

lol I'm going to have those pricks at me quite often. :D I'll ignore them until they go away.

That's what you get for being a filthy Communist. :thumb001:

[Graham]

Eden Project for cities would be awesome.

[Xenomorph]

I'm about to set up my own country. It's gonna be a semi-anarchic federated empire run at the top by mutants, half-aliens, and cyborgs.

[Albion]

That could be the case in Celtabria because it is a lot smaller (a kind of provincial service) but on the mainland it will be Japanese style with private companies and all the motorways are tolled.

How does it work in Japan? Even I'm not as uber-capitalist as they are, privatizing transit goes too far.
Private railway companies can lease lines off Celtabria but never own them. No tolls on roads, I've seen how badly that went in Chile.


It's a big country. We're not the small Netherlands where the state can run it all. The country is simply too big so private iniative and citizens themselves will have to bear a part of the burden: that means that rural roads will usually be maintained by the local farmers that live adjacent to it

That sounds like a good idea.


and to drive over it you have to pay a fee/have a vignet (like in parts of Norway).

That sounds like the turnpike roads we had here.

[Graham]

I'm about to set up my own country. It's gonna be a semi-anarchic federated empire run at the top by mutants, half-aliens, and cyborgs.
Sounds like a breeding ground for terrorism & I'm staying away. :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Current housing for residents:

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/13412215.jpg

The future of Celtabrian cities:

http://tokyolife.biz/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Dome-City.jpg
Domed cities to withstand the tough, sub-arctic conditions in North Celtabria. Well regulated environment inside with rain every night after 9:00 (to keep kids off the streets and for convenience) and a permanent temperature between 15 and 20c.
Seriously though - we should be building these things in British Antarctic Territory and the Falklands already. When the next Ice Age comes around I hope they exist in England too. ;)

Housing on the countryside here:

http://www.zuidafrikaspecialist.nl/app/webroot/upload/NG-Gemeente-Franschhoek_www.zuidafrikaspecialist.nl.jpg

http://www.stayunlimited.com/data/photos/fb22391e-fb82-4cf4-898a-2df22d1cd3f0/satour-winelands-franschhjp.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QZiDHJF7tHU/TclhUVFPHhI/AAAAAAAAAA4/vs5wYiCE-nI/s1600/Stellenbosch.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Stellenbosch-region.JPG

http://www.salatiga.nl/tempo_doeloe-2/gambar/huis-toentangseweg2.jpg

http://suripics.com/images/paramaribo/OFFICIERSWONINGEN%20%20FORT%20ZEELANDIA.jpg

And all the way up in the mountains where there is some more "native" influence:

lGV06ewgpGE

[Albion]

Eden Project for cities would be awesome.

Yeah - just imagine a tree laden with oranges growing outside your front door, grapes outside your window and lots of parks with lakes and nice sandy beaches full of pretty ladies.
Then you could venture out of the dome into the cold winter of North Celtabria for some skiing or hunting.

Yes, my utopia would be pretty good.

[The Lawspeaker]

A lot of Free Tristania is just this:

http://www.jumbojetje.nl/tutorials/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/river20jungle.jpg

A lot of the countryside is like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Taiwan_2009_HuaLien_Rice_Paddy_at_Foot_of_Mountain _FRD_6130_Book_Back_Cover.jpg

With a whole lot of this running smack through the middle:

http://www.dharmanation.org/media/himalaya.jpg

[Graham]

My aim will be to Bring down welfare, to bring up healthcare & education. To privatise competitive organisations & keep uncompetitive. As to not cripple my people.

[Albion]

Housing on the countryside here:

http://www.zuidafrikaspecialist.nl/app/webroot/upload/NG-Gemeente-Franschhoek_www.zuidafrikaspecialist.nl.jpg

http://www.stayunlimited.com/data/photos/fb22391e-fb82-4cf4-898a-2df22d1cd3f0/satour-winelands-franschhjp.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QZiDHJF7tHU/TclhUVFPHhI/AAAAAAAAAA4/vs5wYiCE-nI/s1600/Stellenbosch.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Stellenbosch-region.JPG

And all the way up in the mountains where there is some more "native" influence:

lGV06ewgpGE

Not bad that.

North Celtabria is cold like Scotland or Faroe. Outside of the cities the people live in small towns and villages like these:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a3FZ8J3uewc/Tly7x6Ag7vI/AAAAAAAACHk/SqHB7ECeb6c/s1600/1240319883aAeHFmU.jpg

http://ecoadventurer.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/faroe-islands2.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uPxJ6cfR4Lg/TIN_2x09eJI/AAAAAAAAAbw/iR4Df7R0FHs/s1600/Sumba+-+Faroe+Islands.JPG

http://www.sunvil.co.uk/DynamicImages/2234/2234efa6533b4983cb5fbf2e239e2e14_700_365.jpg

Gradually as you go further south you pass through a range of climates. The domes are only planned for the north, in the south it is sub-tropical. The centre has areas of temperate and continental climate.

South Celtabria:

http://www.annabel-j.co.uk/images/flowers%20on%20wall%20-%20Copy%20(2).JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Boraboraluft_edited3.jpg

Central Celtabria:

http://www.ciclismoclassico.com/uploads/trip_days/img_0137.jpg

http://www.finestmomentsphoto.com/userfiles/image/HDR/vineyard.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

How does it work in Japan? Even I'm not as uber-capitalist as they are, privatizing transit goes too far.
Private railway companies can lease lines off Celtabria but never own them. No tolls on roads, I've seen how badly that went in Chile.
In Free Tristania (on the mainland) there will be companies that are a bit like the JR Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JR_Group).





That sounds like the turnpike roads we had here.
It's basically how most of the network will be maintained.

[The Lawspeaker]

The north is a lot like this:

http://www.totaltravelinfo.com/blog/images/australian-outback.jpg

And parts of New England look a lot like a kind of tropical Cornwall. Most rivers are huge: the size of the Ganges or the Amazon.

[Xenomorph]

Sounds like a breeding ground for terrorism & I'm staying away. :D

That's no fun.:thumb001:

[Graham]

My land is like Britain in countryside and size, but with only a population of 5 million. I'd like to keep a low populated prosperous nation.

GDP per capita means more to me than GDP.

[Xenomorph]

Introducing Omegaopterix.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=omegaopterix

Founded by a core over tens of thousands of genetically altered supersoldiers, extraterrestrial half-breeds, and shunned mutants. While there is a central government, it exercises little authority outside of its own district except when the entire nation is threatened. It is an industrial feudal society, with pure humans and weaker alternative races toiling at the bottom of society under their greedy masters. Criminals are punished harshly, but lawlessness is endemic, and communities largely have to fend for themselves.

The sister country of Omegaopolis will be introduced later.

[The Lawspeaker]

The beaches are (of course) amazing. There are quite a few atolls in front of the coast and particularly the Southern tip has some real beautiful scenery. The east coast is more mountainous though with steep cliffs rising up from the sea (and it's barely developed).

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HWU3wX2cDLQ/THXLkzZvcXI/AAAAAAAAG3E/rlnd4r6HkEQ/s1600/lagen_el_nido_palawan.jpg

The south and west coasts look more like this:

http://www.packyourbags.com/images/dest/maldives2/maldives-copy.jpg

http://www.trendsandspots.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Boracay.jpg

http://www.blue-hawaii.com/tahiti/images/bora%20bora%20lagoon.jpg

And there are two main reefs: one stretching along the east coast.. the other along the west coast.

[MarkyMark]

I would form a nation called Aram including modern Syria, Lebanon, and parts Southern Turkey that rightfully belong to us such as Antioch, Edessa, and Tarsus. I would also liberate Cyprus from the Turks. I would deport any type of Muslims except Alawites, ban burqas, establish free market and free speech reforms, and restore that area as one of the most prosperous areas in the world. I would also be sure to distinguish that the Syriac Orthodox(aka Arameans) are a distinguished ethnicity from any type of Assyrian.

[The Lawspeaker]

The north is just a shithole. Good enough for nuke testing. The kind of place you tend to avoid:

http://www.geo.de/reisen/community/bild/regular/29812/West-Coast-Australia.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

I already wrote some of the factbook:


The history of Free Tristania is, when compared to some nations, a relatively short one yet one that has baffled many historians the world over. How is that a group of a mere couple of hundred Dutch settlers which arrived on these shores in 1652 and the British which followed their example less than 100 years later could conquer an island the size of a continent, fight numerous wars amongst themselves and against the natives and end up uniting themselves (despite of recently acquired or ancient ethnic hatreds) into a single unified country, first under a federal republic and then under a King and a Commonwealth ? The pre-European history of Free Tristania is a much longer one.

The history of Free Tristania is said to have begun with the arrival of the first humans in primitive rafts or boats that arrived from Asia. For some time Hottentot or Negrito tribes roamed the continent until tribes from what is now Taiwan arrived and took possession of the islands exterminating much of or in some cases integrating the Negrito population. This is said to have taken place around the year 0. Archaeological evidence shows that those new invading tribes had taken possession of most of the continent by the year 500. After 700 AD new peoples invaded those islands: this time Australasian and Polynesian tribes that added to the existing culture and genes. Some of which survive to this very day in the genes of the white Free Tristanian. It was in those days that the famous statues along the south-west coast were erected by Polynesian invaders that used the surrounding area as a place of sacrifice.

Around 1200 AD the prehistory ended when the Duliau and Tabanao tribes united under a King Minilao and managed to conquer most of their opponents along the West Coast of Free Tristania and they build a settlement along what is now Handelsbaai Bay at the exact location of the National Ethnographic Museum (traces of it can still be seen as they have been lovingly preserved and are the centrepiece of the national collection). When in 1959 the Tabanao alphabet could be deciphered the name of the city could be deciphered as Hao Hao which apparently meant as much as "big city". The "big city" seems to have mostly consisted of temples, a palace and individual family longhomes known as minauo and stretched along most of the Bayside of what is now the Old City. From Hao Hao the Tabanao and Duliau tribes managed to establish diplomatic and commercial relations with the Buddhist and Hindu Kingdoms in Asia and build up a sophisticated legal framework for their empire (some copperplates with legal texts in the Tabanao alphabet are still being found and can be seen in the National Ethnographic Museum).

It was in those days that animism and a new religion that came in from Asia, Buddhism, fused together in a single religion that got rid of human sacrifice and focussed on individual enlightenment. In the mountains and even in remote mountain villages of the Uplands most of the principles are still being upheld, under a Christian veneer, in monasteries and temples that sometimes date back to the 14th century with monks living sometimes as high as 5000 metres above sea level. Most of the tribes resisted King Minilao and around 1217 or 1218 his empire came crumbling down when his brother Mapaui, lusting for power, murdered him in his own palace. His empire came to an end and the majority of the people, never touched by the first wave of enlightenment, returned to their ancient barbarous ways (including cannibalism) -with an exception for those that left the coastal regions and migrated to the centre of the continent and populated remote mountain areas.

The 14th and 15th century saw the creation of temples and small mountain villages in what is now the Uplands and Hooggeberge regions and towards the earliest 16th century in the mountain ranges of the Drakensberge region and in the Free Tristanian Alps. These cultures were so isolated and so well preserved that they can still be studied today in the customs of the country-folk of European origins that is living there today.

On 13 march 1651 the Lords Seventeen, the leaders of the Dutch East Indies Company, in an attempt to beat the competition, decided to set up a trade post in a new world which could supply the European market with tea, coffee, spices and cinnamon. They succeeded and after a gruelling 9 months the ship "De Goede Hoop" was the first to make it into Handelsbaai Bay (a Dutch flag was planted on these shores on January 4, 1652) and the first settlers set up their farms, meant to supply passing Dutch ships with fresh produce in order to ward off scurvy at what is now Grootpuntsesy. The exact location of the first farm is where now the National Voortrekker Monument can be found (location: Voortrekkerpleyn, Grootpuntsesy, Handelshaven Capital-Region, right outside the joint Free Tristanian-Globexantarian Naval Base). The majority of the settlers coming in on other ships (mainly including Walloon, protestant French and German refugees, English puritans and Arminian protestants from the Netherlands themselves) found their way to the Baai and build their first homes at what is now Handelskade Quay (nr 22, nr. 14 and nr. 12 have been reported to be the oldest homes in the city and apart from the farmsteads from which only 2 remain as private homes).

The settlers however had to fight fierce battles with the tribes of the coastal lands. As the Dutch spread their influence throughout the island they needed more and more people to populate the newly conquered territories so they brought in German, English, Scottish, Walloon and French Protestants while the native population withered away under the barrage of imported illnesses for which they had no protection. Between 1652 and 1740 over 5 million people would succumb to typhoid, measles, smallpox, influenza as well as the violence brought upon them by the countless wars that took place between colonists and tribesmen. Even in those days some Dutch colonists, a lot of them bereft of women as the Dutch East Indies Company did not consider it important to send women to the colony until 1677, married converted local women and Dutch Reformed Protestantism began to make inroads into the psyche of the last remaining tribes.. even those in the mountains (since most marriages took place with those living in the mountains where people proved to be more resistant to the various diseases). What followed was the synthesis between Christianity and local animism as can still be seen in the mountains but which is quite rare along the coast. The tribes - broken and enslaved or converted began to disintegrate and they had been pretty much eradicated from most of the western half of the interior and the south-western shores by the year 1750. In the north, however, amongst the hills of what is now New England, in the deserts of the northern shores and along the marshes of the deep south-west live hadn't changed much and the tribes lived as they had always done. This was about to change as on January 16, 1751 the British would land.

In 1749 the British, in those days allied to the Dutch, decided to turn the hilly north-western part, the northern deserts and the marshes into colonies of their own and January 16, 1751 the British (using mainly Scottish colonists) landed in Coral Bay and began building the town of Aberdeen.

It's only a brief start but there will be a free commonwealth, a British take-over (much like South Africa), war of independence, second commonwealth, fights between British and Dutch settlers, the British come back and re-establish control, the Dutch settlers (aided by some British settlers) finally kick them out by the year 1900, third commonwealth, colonial war, fourth commonwealth (new constitution), MilInt takes over, revolution, end of indentured servitude, brief civil war, today (still some MilInt terrorism, new constitution, fifth commonwealth, the rise to Free Tristania in the wider world).

The Free Tristanian is for some 95-99 percent European by blood but he couldn't care less about "the old country". In fact he would feel disdain for Britain (and to a lesser extent the Netherlands). Europeans are " Old Worlders". British "poms" and Dutch "clogs" and the ethnic slurs (or nicknames) are also used to denote the two ethnicities. The British had a tough run for most of the time: being discriminated against by the Dutch majority.. much like in this film.

H3-F4qZYJz4

It is only since recent that the two groups have began to reconcile a bit (mainly because of the fact that independence came a long time ago and because the English-speakers were the amongst the first to stand up to Milint) and consider themselves to be a single nation so I wonder how the differences would work through in your nations ?

[Xenomorph]

Some pictures of Omegaopterix:

http://dark.pozadia.org/images/wallpapers/65774778/Dark/Destroyed%20city%20of%20Future%201.jpg

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs46/f/2009/203/6/a/destroyed_city_by_damien6160.jpg

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/346/8/2/post_apocalyptic_fortress_by_miroslavk82-d34r2la.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

In that respect it has a very nasty history which is sometimes as unpleasant as let's say Ulster and now the situation is more akin to Canada.

[Xenomorph]

The common people:

http://tv.burrp.com/images/s/q/3/q3ich7sg_1oxb_2_300.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4012/5120656825_025404c619.jpg

http://blog.chinatells.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/chinese-steel-mill.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2007/09/resident-evil-300b0920.jpg

http://screenshots.wegame.com/11-8084042716802261/8084042716802261_l.jpg

[Xenomorph]

The elite:

http://onemillionlyrics.com/images/w/warlord--img-m45aa34ad2b62322af1fed1cbcd105c5b.jpg

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs36/f/2008/270/c/c/Alien_Cyborg_by_boxer18.jpg

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs22/i/2009/250/d/a/Mutant_Cyborg_Minotaur_by_RedBeanBun.jpg

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/333/8/8/Mutant_alien_zombie_something_by_fromzerotohero.pn g

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vN00a4LfnU4/TC0xvHxZaFI/AAAAAAAAA0w/vFq-Twcdn5o/s1600/sonobeno_quake2_berserker.jpg

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/10/1283rage_e32011slime_mutant.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

The language struggle also has another dimension: both English- and Dutch-speakers had to put up a real struggle to see the local forms of their languages recognised as being the languages. Only up to a few years prior was standard-Dutch the official language and was English education only given in British-English whereas the peoples themselves used complete different versions of the language. So I would need to take a week to write the entire history (it is based on another nation I once used to have).

[Xenomorph]

Tuan, what region are you in?

[The Lawspeaker]

Tuan, what region are you in?

10000 Islands. :)

[Xenomorph]

If I join another egion, is it still possibly to interact with your nation and the ones of other people on this forum (through actions, not just dialogue)?

[The Lawspeaker]

If I join another egion, is it still possibly to interact with your nation and the ones of other people on this forum (through actions, not just dialogue)?

Well you can't support a nation in the WA (a kind of United Nations then) but we can always roleplay.

[Xenomorph]

Well you can't support a nation in the WA (a kind of United Nations then) but we can always roleplay.

That sounds cool. I have your state in my dossier.

[The Lawspeaker]

That sounds cool. I have your state in my dossier.

I need to add yours as well.

[The Lawspeaker]

Done.

[Xenomorph]

Okay, thanks. I'm not too sure how to start. I had a nation state before, but that was years ago.

[The Lawspeaker]

Okay, thanks. I'm not too sure how to start. I had a nation state before, but that was years ago.

If you're any good at RP I could start the day after tomorrow. :D

[Xenomorph]

If you're any good at RP I could start the day after tomorrow. :D

Yeah, that would work.

[The Lawspeaker]

I wonder what I will do with my nation and whether it would influence the bijzondere gemeenten: I will need a lot of foreign investment to get the ball that is the economy rolling. For the first time (maybe even years) there will be nothing but development going on and an economic boom. Our business is business.

[Bobcat Fraser]

What about new countries based on real countries? We did this on an alternate history board. For example, imagine if Wales and Brittany created an alliance that led to the formation of a unified "Brythonic" government? They also played a major role in colonial America.

[The Lawspeaker]

What about new countries based on real countries? We did this on an alternate history board. For example, imagine if Wales and Brittany created an alliance that led to the formation of a unified "Brythonic" government? They also played a major role in colonial America.

I am quite sure that other people have used those names a long time ago. ;)

[Xenomorph]

I wonder what I will do with my nation and whether it would influence the bijzondere gemeenten: I will need a lot of foreign investment to get the ball that is the economy rolling. For the first time (maybe even years) there will be nothing but development going on and an economic boom. Our business is business.

You should institute slavery and sell some of your criminals to us. Our king is planning a banquet and needs something for the main dish.

[Xenomorph]

What about new countries based on real countries? We did this on an alternate history board. For example, imagine if Wales and Brittany created an alliance that led to the formation of a unified "Brythonic" government? They also played a major role in colonial America.

There are all sorts of countries in there, you can start whatever kind you like.

[The Lawspeaker]

You should institute slavery and sell some of your criminals to us. Our king is planning a banquet and needs something for the main dish.

Free Tristania just got rid of indentured servitude (any participation in slavery or the trade in slaves carries a mandatory death penalty).

[Xenomorph]

Free Tristania just got rid of indentured servitude (any participation in slavery or the trade in slaves carries a mandatory death penalty).

Then don't call it slavery but "nutrionally based criminal rehabilitation program." The devoured people can always be cloned and have the memories of the originals implanted in them.

[The Lawspeaker]

Then don't call it slavery but "nutrionally based criminal rehabilitation program." The devoured people can always be cloned and have the memories of the originals implanted in them.

I prefer stringing them up and cremating them. It's a bit more civilised.

[Xenomorph]

But them all the meat goes to waste.

[Bobcat Fraser]

I am quite sure that other people have used those names a long time ago. ;)

Well, the new state would have a new name, of course.;) It might be interesting to incorporate p Celtic into the nomenclature.

[The Lawspeaker]

But them all the meat goes to waste.

Meh. What's left feeds the worms. Hmm I will still need to work on that infrastructure. There are some high speed train lines but I will focus on the car and the plane because of the sheer scale of the country. So it will be a lot of this:

http://www.itravelnet.com/photos/as/singapore/singapore/ayer-rajah-expressway.jpg

http://static4.depositphotos.com/1009815/357/i/950/depositphotos_3573138-Aerial-view-of-complex-highway-interchange-in-HongKong.jpg

Most of it built through private-public partnerships and tolled and that would be ncluding roads leading into inner cities through electronic tolls (congestion charges).

[Xenomorph]

The region where Omegaopterix used to be a very peaceful, prosperous region. The urban and rural areas worked in complete harmony and the while politics was lively, it was rarely vicious.

http://www.elcreations.org/engloy/photoblog/wp-content/photos/20100910_7D_0172.jpg

But the republic bit off more than it could chew when it became a participant in the Mist Wars. Though it had an impressive industrial sector, it was woefully unpreparef for war, and soon, enemies were flooding in from all sides. Within a period of little over two years, the entire region had been wrecked, with most of its moveable welath carried off and it infrastructure in tatters.

Recovery could have happened, but history was changed when nomadic clans of violent monsters and cast-off living bioweapons from the war decided to set up shop there. These were augmented by pure and half-blood aliens who were fleeing from an interstellar war on the other side of the Milky Way. Demoralized and impoverished, the humans of the area soon became the serfs of these beings.

http://api.ning.com/files/8UDOsiO2AAxdiked69TXQwqcIdPIvWyexqgKfTV27NhHMdxZC4-lc33uSqvwNJl1ev3Rrxjj535083Y42iT7Fa9wrmqy29Xp/Rogue_alien.jpg

Most of the federated territories are largely self-sufficient and self-ruling; a general council coordinates overall nationa affairs, but many of its lawa are ignored. The social fabric of human society is largely ignored by the rulers, as all they care about is tribute. In this atmosphere, towns have developed a wide variety of social customs and norms as they struggle to maintain some semblance of normality and freedom.

http://features.cgsociety.org/newgallerycrits/g57/111157/111157_1173731649_submedium.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

One principle that I will have in Free Tristania is the idea of meritocracy: yes.. we are a democracy but before you have the right to vote you will have to learn to be a citizen and that means: education, education, education and that means fulfilling your national duty (military service) and not getting in trouble with the law because if you break the law you will get your arse thrown in prison or into the jungle where you and your chain gang can build a motorway from nowhereville to remotistan with your bare bloody hands and only malaria-infected mosquitoes and other interesting jungle critters to keep you company. And there will be no solicitor to help you with your case nor will there be any voting booths to save your neck. There you will spend the time the judge has set for you until you have repaid your debt to society.

[Graham]

The Rogue Nation of Pentland is a fledgling, safe nation, notable for its complete lack of prisons. Its compassionate, intelligent population of 6 million enjoy a sensible mix of personal and economic freedoms, while the political process is open and the people's right to vote held sacrosanct.

The large government devotes most of its attentions to Social Welfare, with areas such as Law & Order and Religion & Spirituality receiving almost no funds by comparison. The average income tax rate is 26%. A very small private sector is dominated by the Soda Sales industry.

Voting is voluntary and tourists from around the world come to visit the country's famous rainforests. Crime is well under control. Pentland's national animal is the Nuckelavee, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the Bawbee.


Damn, where did these million come from overnight? Abuse of the welfare methinks! grrr :mad:

[The Lawspeaker]

One big orgy. The poorer the country the faster a population grows.

[Graham]

One big orgy. The poorer the country the faster a population grows.

Aye, time for the welfare to go down when possible. Have created my own flag now. :)

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/pentland__592619.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

Same here. I am institution a congestion tax:


A group of transport analysts have suggested that a charge of five Dollars a day for vehicular access to New Free Tristania's most congested inner-cities during peak hours is the only way to solve their ever-growing traffic problem.

The Debate

"Similar schemes have been very effective elsewhere," says Peter Sanchez, New Free Tristania's most infamous traffic warden. "It's common sense that the best way to curb dangerously high demand is to raise the price of the supply - or, as in this case, to create a price. Charging citizens to go into more congested areas could, combined with the improvements to public transport it will finance, actually make people choose public transport over their cars. I don't see why people shouldn't pay tax for a little less traffic on our roads."



"These tolls are a preposterous idea," argues road lobbyist, Al Broadside. "Public transport will never replace the car - I don't want to be forced to share my space with a bunch of malodorous working-class people on my way to work. Not that I would be, because I could afford the charge, but really, it's the principle of the matter! The only solution is to expand urban road networks. True, some pavements and green spots would have to go, but those pedestrians should be able to put up with that if they're to expect New Free Tristania to be part of the modern world."


"Allowing cars to scoot around and pollute our cities was a bad idea in the first place," says Chloe Singh, a famous environmentalist. "The solution is to restrict private transport to main roads and motorways whilst funding a major urban public transport scheme. Our buses and undergrounds could be the envy of the world! Yes, the car companies will suffer a little, and yes, there'll be a bit more tax, but wouldn't it be worth it for a bit of fresh air and safe streets for the children?"

[Graham]

Concedo Nulli
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(no surrender, no retreat, yield no ground)

[Albion]

Well, the new state would have a new name, of course.;) It might be interesting to incorporate p Celtic into the nomenclature.

Last time Celtabria had a mangled version of Cornish called 'Celtabrian'. ;) I was thinking of reviving it actually. Here it was the Anglo-Saxons that ended up speaking Celtic instead.


Amser dhewetha Celtabrya a'n jeva hakkyes versyon kernewek gylwys ' celtabrek'.
Yth esen vý ow predery ow tasvewa éf dhewýr. Omma éf a vue an Anglo-sawson mar dhe war van ow cows keltek yn lé.


I need to throw in some Anglo-Saxon loanwords to make it look authentic though. I haven't thought of the history entirely yet, but the rough idea is that Anglo-saxons settled amongst SW Britons and were latter driven out by other Anglo-Saxons. These people had by then formed one small community and fled by sea, hoping to end up in Brittonia (Galicia) but were blown off course in a storm and into the South Atlantic. From here they must have been caught on the Antarctic circumpolar current and ended up in the South Pacific. They sailed around aimlessly until the discovered an island (thought to be Oeno) with fruit, water and supplies. The people were near starvation by then but the island couldn't support them for long so it was decided they'd try and head back to Britain by heading north, but instead they found a large, uninhabited island full of food and settled.

I need to create a proper history though.

[The Lawspeaker]

The Free Tristanian motto is: “Si Quaeris Insulam Amoenam Circumspice” (If you seek a pleasant isle, look about you).

I am going to turn over most of the railway system to something more akin to the rl. United States: freight only but there will be some passenger services between cities. Services between the villages will be taken care of by buses and a lot of transport will by plane or by boat (navigating the various rivers). There will only be a few high speed rail connections: mainly along the West Coast.

For the rest it will be a lot like this (http://www.uitzendinggemist.nl/afleveringen/1237767) but then in the hands of private companies (but with a thoroughly Americanised railway service culture - it's not a European country but a former colony complete with the "All aboard !", the boarding, the dining cars, dome cars, sleeping cars - and when travelling over mountain ranges car-shuttle trains) with most trains even getting names:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/F59PHI_458_at_Solana_Beach.JPG

Unlike what is now common in the rl. United States or Canada most of the lines will be electrified. The high-speed railway system would be more Japan's - with the same kinds of service provided for by different companies and trains are supposed to run on time and 5 seconds late is 5 seconds late.

[Albion]

Tuan, being a puppet state of Free Tristania isn't working out so Celtabria is declaring independence.
We also undergoing massive reorganization into a federal entity. The massive population growth came from a few sources and Celtabria as a unitary nation is not currently equipped to deal with the diverse population. I propose an alliance instead.

BTW, Amtrak is terrible, you seriously do not want to emulate them.

[The Lawspeaker]

Tuan, being a puppet state of Free Tristania isn't working out so Celtabria is declaring independence.
We also undergoing massive reorganization into a federal entity. The massive population growth came from a few sources and Celtabria as a unitary nation is not currently equipped to deal with the diverse population. I propose an alliance instead.
How about a Commonwealth ?


BTW, Amtrak is terrible, you seriously do not want to emulate them.
The country is too big for a well covering rail network so I need to do things the cheap way: the car and the plane. Both, of course, in the hands of private parties.

[Albion]

How about a Commonwealth ?

In the British or American sense of the word?

[The Lawspeaker]

In the British or American sense of the word?
The British.

But in order to move around on the mainland you will need this:

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Otherwise.. there are bus services and some train services but that's about it. Free Tristania has the climate, it has the car industry, it's got plenty of oil and lots of roads so you might just as well enjoy it. ;)

[Albion]

The British.

Otherwise.. there are bus services and some train services but that's about it. Free Tristania has the climate, it has the car industry, it's got plenty of oil and lots of roads so you might just as well enjoy it. ;)

What obligations are there to be in the Commonwealth? Does FT have a monarchy?

[The Lawspeaker]

What obligations are there to be in the Commonwealth? Does FT have a monarchy?

Yes. It has a constitutional monarchy under King Christian I. It's basically very much the same as the Australian-British relations.

[Albion]

Yes. It has a constitutional monarchy under King Christian I. It's basically very much the same as the Australian-British relations.

Full independence it is then, but we're open to an alliance and trade agreement.

[Graham]

Government-run screening operations remove embryos with severe genetic disorders, tax evaders are regularly visited by agents of the Celtabria Blood Tithe, the new prison system is crowding up at an alarming rate, and volunteers are signing up to take arms against an incursion of flesh-eating zombies

What's happening here Albion?

[The Lawspeaker]

I just found out.. to my joy that I could revive my old nation (http://www.nationstates.net/nation=free_tristania).

[The Lawspeaker]

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy79/Otkyas_at_Kelmo/GlobexanterArmedCorpsseal.png

The signet in use by the First Free Tristanian/Globexantarian Army Corps.

[Albion]

What's happening here Albion?

The communists that got killed in the civil war started rising from the dead. Don't worry, we've sent people in to put them down. ;)

[Graham]

Nazi march is being banned. Nipping it in the bud. xD We have high political freedoms they can use at the polls.

Can't be arsed using police resources. To baby sit a parade in high numbers. The far left wanks and self-righteous will come out to troll. Bugger off. BANNED! :mad:

[The Lawspeaker]

I still think that it's too bad that I can't use a Tiananmen Square option there. ;)

[Graham]

You're all invited to join (http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_apricity). The current password is libertas. Please be so kind to announce yourself with your forum-name in the region thread :)

What happened?

http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_apricity

[The Lawspeaker]

What happened?

http://www.nationstates.net/region=the_apricity

It died. I am not sure what happened anymore. :)

[Albion]

Military parades are always good, that's why we have one each month. There's nothing like pointing a tank at someone's head to remind them who's in charge.

http://images.china.cn/attachement/jpg/site1007/20080510/000802c98ccc098f549d05.jpg

[Graham]

I sense a communist revolution in Celtabria, an usurper to Albion.

[The Lawspeaker]

g1awwAgU_t8

In Free Tristania it is still very much like this (starting at 2:34).:thumb001:
Another nasty legacy of Brit colonial rule.

[Xenomorph]

I now have four countries:
Omegaopterix
Omegalopolis
Vannder
Acherex

[Graham]

I'm a Corporate Bordello & heading towards Free-Market Paradise. With a low private sector that will be increasing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/nspoliticalmap.jpg

[Pretan]

Just started a nation its called: "The Pretanic Dynasty" :D

"The Pretanic Dynasty's national animal is the Dragon, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the Bullion." :laugh:

[Albion]

Crap, my public sector has gone from ~23% to ~27%. :eek:

Government spending has diversified greatly since I restarted my nation:

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1428/expenditure.jpg
A few days ago

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1428/expenditure.jpg
Now

[Graham]

You're getting kinder. Increase in Education & transport is worth it.

[Albion]

You're getting kinder.

I don't think so, it's just a rational approach to things. The private sector can't be trusted to run a country but a government running everything leads to massive inefficiency and interference.

[Graham]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/problem2.png

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/Capture-2.png

...it's a slow process

[Albion]

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/8771/compassion.jpg
I found this one hilarious

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5513/defencem.jpg

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5406/ecofriendly.jpg
That's what close to a billion people bring you.

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/474/economyw.jpg
I expect that soon we'll overtake Free Tristania. It kind of sucks really - FT is like America with Celtabria more like China - large population but still outperformed by a much smaller country.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2214/freedomwo.jpg
Pretan - even I didn't outlaw politics. :D Maybe the English have a secret authoritarian streak.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/812/happinesse.jpg
Rather unexpected

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/8730/healthn.jpg

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5430/influencey.jpg
Aww

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3590/niceness.jpg
Celtabria - zero.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5729/pacifismw.jpg

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/3764/populationa.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1161/promarket.jpg
I'am surprised that Graham's country is the most free market

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2056/rightsi.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1861/subsidies.jpg
I subsidize strategic industries, FT seems to have more of the French model of subsidize everything though.

[Graham]

For some reason it doesn't show 3% in Commerce

[Graham]

Albion is an evil bastard. An authoritarian William the conqueror. Preton the dictator!

[Graham]

Oh yeah, based my flag on..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Little

[The Lawspeaker]

You should compare it to my older nation (http://www.nationstates.net/nation=free_tristania).

[Pretan]

http://s17.postimage.org/ebmq2of9r/culture.jpg

At least we have good culture.:p

http://s10.postimage.org/edqc3aoux/Dragon_Dinner.jpg

:laugh:

[Pretan]

I'm sure you all know what my flag is based on.

[Graham]

You should compare it to my older nation (http://www.nationstates.net/nation=free_tristania).

& Xenomorphs http://www.nationstates.net/nation=omegaopterix

[Albion]

I'm sure you all know what my flag is based on.

Wessex? It's that one that the Anglo-Saxonist English nationalists use.

[Pretan]

Wessex? It's that one that the Anglo-Saxonist English nationalists use.

Yeah, I think it looks pretty good.

[Albion]

@Tuan: So is New Tristania dead?

Okay, updated comparisons then:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1198/rightsy.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8771/compassion.jpg
What happened there Tuan

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1814/economy.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2213/population.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4126/freedomaw.jpg


I couldn't be bothered to do the rest. For all the comparisons go to Nationstates and click 'Analysis'.

[The Lawspeaker]

New Free Tristania is dead. It's about the real thing, Albion :)

I need to increase my political freedoms and privatise a bit.

[Albion]

Yeah, I think it looks pretty good.

I think it draws from too brief a period of our history to be relevant in the modern day outside of Wessex.
I don't mind the only heptarchy flags as regional flags but some people claim that we should replace St George's cross with that.

[Pretan]

http://s13.postimage.org/l5twbpbzb/Pretanic_Spring.jpg

Pretanic Spring? :(

[Graham]

A recent poll has revealed high levels of dissatisfaction among the populace about tax rates.

The Debate
1."Do you know how much of my year's work goes to the government?" demanded angry worker John Sparkle. "Too much! Government spending has gotten way out of control. It needs big cuts in welfare, health, and education. But leave those subsidies to business alone. We need them to create jobs."

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.


2."It's not the AMOUNT of tax, it's where the burden falls," says student activist Jamil Hendrikson. "And at the moment, far too much of the burden is falling on the poor. People on high incomes still have more money than people on low incomes. I don't think I need to say anything more than that."



3."I don't object to the amount of tax, I object to where it's being spent," says social reformer Tim Dovey. "I'd like to see everyone have a choice as to where their Bawbees go every time they fill out a tax return. Everyone would feel a lot better about opening their wallets if they had a say as to where the money went. I think you'd see a lot more public money going to education and a lot less to business."

Good chance to attack welfare at last & lower tax. :)

Don't want to cut education, but will take good with the bad.

[The Lawspeaker]

I went for option 2 when I got that particular issue.

[The Lawspeaker]

I think that when I have some more time this weekend I will create a thread on the NS forum about Celtabria leaving the Commonwealth (and also no longer being a part of the Realm) so there should be a treaty signed where all power is transferred to the government of Celtabria as well a treaty of alliance.

[Graham]

I went for option 2 when I got that particular issue.

Couldn't do that in my economic state. It would probably raise inflation & debt levels. Therefor the rise in social equality rendered meaningless & wouldnt happen.

You have more levers & room for maneuvering with a healthy bank balance.

[Albion]

I think that when I have some more time this weekend I will create a thread on the NS forum about Celtabria leaving the Commonwealth (and also no longer being a part of the Realm) so there should be a treaty signed where all power is transferred to the government of Celtabria as well a treaty of alliance.

Sure.

:thumb001:

[The Lawspeaker]

Hmm that means that I also will have to remove the Free Tristanian flag from the upper left canton (a bit like how it is done in the Australian flag with the British flag in the canton which would still be retained for Graham's country when it comes to ships under his flag and for the flags of official government agencies in Free Tristania) of Celtabria's flag.

[Albion]

Celtabria is facing a few issues at the moment, namely:


Recession - The economy peaked at 86 and has now fallen to 80. I blame this on higher spending on welfare and infrastructure, the generally more centrist direction Celtabria has been drifting to lately.
Public sector too large - it has now reached 30%. This is too high to be practical and must be curtailed.

[The Lawspeaker]

Pentland is covered by the National Structural Fund (which is a fund for underdeveloped regions) but since Celtabria will be independent it is not covered by it so..the only thing I can offer you is full access to our markets.

[Albion]

Hmm that means that I also will have to remove the Free Tristanian flag from the upper left canton (a bit like how it is done in the Australian flag with the British flag in the canton which would still be retained for Graham's country when it comes to ships under his flag and for the flags of official government agencies in Free Tristania) of Celtabria's flag.

We never used it anyway, we're not as subservient as Britain's colonies. Anyway, nations cannot run from their past. Removing a canton won't remove the history.

[The Lawspeaker]

We never used it anyway, we're not as subservient as Britain's colonies. Anyway, nations cannot run from their past. Removing a canton won't remove the history.

It was only used on merchant ships under Celtabrian flag, outside the Department of the Interior and Commonwealth Relations and outside Parliament House in Handelshaven.

[Albion]

Pentland is covered by the National Structural Fund (which is a fund for underdeveloped regions) but since Celtabria will be independent it is not covered by it so..the only thing I can offer you is full access to our markets.

Celtabria is humbled by this offer, but will consider.

Is the Commonwealth to be a free trade area or is there to be some organisation akin to the EFTA?

[The Lawspeaker]

Celtabria is humbled by this offer, but will consider.

Is the Commonwealth to be a free trade area or is there to be some organisation akin to the EFTA?

In effect the nation will be considered a part of the Commonwealth when it comes to trade: there are no import duties to be paid. So in that respect nothing changes from now.

[Albion]

It was only used on merchant ships under Celtabrian flag, outside the Department of the Interior and Commonwealth Relations and outside Parliament House in Handelshaven.

Sounds like the situation with the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. I think their official flags have the British canton but in practice these are usually left out.
I quite like the colonial flags though, they add a touch of history and interest. Australia and NZ have nice flags that are distinctive in the world yet remind those nations of their roots.
St Helena has a nice one too - a sailing ship next to the island. The ship itself is flying the English flag because it was the English Empire that took possession of the island before the union.

[The Lawspeaker]

Sounds like the situation with the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. I think their official flags have the British canton but in practice these are usually left out.
I quite like the colonial flags though, they add a touch of history and interest. Australia and NZ have nice flags that are distinctive in the world yet remind those nations of their roots.
St Helena has a nice one too - a sailing ship next to the island. The ship itself is flying the English flag because it was the English Empire that took possession of the island before the union.

Hmm maybe I need to look for someone on the forum that can make such flags for us ?

[Albion]

In effect the nation will be considered a part of the Commonwealth when it comes to trade: there are no import duties to be paid. So in that respect nothing changes from now.

The treaty hasn't been drawn yet so I still have time to reconsider? We're having cold feet in Celtabria, we quite like the Commonwealth after all. :p

Do we have to share the monarch though? The British Commonwealth used to have that requirement but then allowed for Commonwealth countries to become republics. Countries in the Commonwealth which share the monarch are Commonwealth Realms.
(Ireland became a republic because the Commonwealth had that rule at the time - they didn't like the monarchy but wanted to stay in the Commonwealth).

The British Empire also had protectorates which were countries which had their foreign policy and defence taken care of by Britain but were internally self governing (usually). They also had native monarchies but recognised the British monarchy as overlords, so were in effect vassal states (modern version is probably the British overseas territories).
Brunei, Nepal and Bhutan were examples of protectorates.

So is the monarchy up for negotiation or do I have to settle for president for life instead?

[Albion]

Hmm maybe I need to look for someone on the forum that can make such flags for us ?

I might adopt a new flag. Where's the Tristanite one?

[The Lawspeaker]

I think we should keep the monarchy though. It's a bit between the ideas of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and the British Commonwealth. But apart from that: well the King is only there when a government messes it up and when the prime minister or the local equivalent has to go to go to the King (or lieutenant governor) to tender the resignation of the government. The King will then call for "a committee of wise men" to sort out the problem but he has very little power. And, yes, he reads the Speech to the Throne and opens parliament (but he doesn't write his own speech: that one is done by the Prime Minister).

In Celtabria that role can be taken over by the lieutenant governor (which is either elected by the people of Celtabria) or appointed by the local parliament.